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I think he was upset because the "disagree" reputation is for when the information given is incorrect, like when you give someone advice that is just wrong, not when your opinion is not the same. You should refrain from giving reputation on a thread where there are mainly opinions being shared. That is why the option is disabled in the member discussion area.
Ok... sorry. I didn't mean anything by it.Quote:
Originally Posted by alkalineangel
NHNF.. now you know! :)
That's okay I still love you ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tessy777
If you still believe in a 6000 year old earth, why do you still not believe in a flat earth or a earth centered universe? These were once church doctrine. Now you might say that these were also scientific theories at one point but also remember that during that time if scientist went against the church they might be burned at the stake. So that probably affected their results. Why not just incorporate accepted scientific theory into the religion like has been done in the past?
The Bible never said anything about a "flat" earth or an "earth centered universe." Those beliefs belonged to an evil European cult that thrived during the dark ages. A powerful group who would kill anyone who disagreed with their unfounded conclusions. However, the Bible does say that the earth was created fiat (out of nothing) by the power of the Word. The Bible does say that the entire creation period was a literal 7 day span. If scientist teach something else then those scientists are wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by michealb
I'm sure you're missing a part of a logical conclusion here... hmmmmm :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by ActionJackson
Yes, there should be an "or" in there somewhere, I'm sure that isn't the only conclusion you can reach is it?
2 words, "Carbon Dating." So, "yes," I do personally believe that the Earth is much older than just 6,000 years.
I feel that people take the Bible TOO LITERALLY.
This may seem like an odd question, but WHERE in the Bible does it say that the world is 6,000 years old ?
Yes, I have read it, especially like the Old Testement parts, but I cannot recall ever reading anything like this.
Quite honestly Ben, I do not think it says that it is 6,000 years old.Quote:
Originally Posted by Curlyben
God created everything in 6 days and on the seventh day he rested. The idea is, I think. That each day represents 1000 years in God years. We do not know how many years from the time from adam and eve, to when Jesus came. It has been approximately 2,000 years past since Jesus came to earth.
So that would make the earth approximately 9,000 years old. So the question is how much time elapsped between Adam and Eve to When Jesus came?
I hope anybody can correct me if I am wrong. Or give us the facts about it?
Jewish chronology dates Creation to September 25 or March 29, 3760 BC. I think that's where the belief comes from.
Bishop Usher of Ireland in the 16th to 17th century came up with a dating system that many believe is fairly accurate. He followed known dates backwards in history and came to his conclusions. If I'm not mistaken, he dated the world back to about 4000 BC or thereabouts. It's been a while since I did any studying in this department.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesushelper76
The time God took to accomplish what is stated below
Genesis 1
1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Can be viewed as a separate period from the Earth habitation preparatory days which followed allowing for the passage of billions of years.
Also, the Hebrew words referring to "day" permit the understanding of the seven preparatory days as being longer than twenty-four hours each.
See, this is what confuses me to no end. Two posts in a row from devout people with two wildly opposing conclusions: AJ says it's 6,000 years old and Starman proposes billions of years. :confused:
Nk, I say it is very young two. I think though that the majority here believe the earth is young. Only a couple believe it is as old as scientists say.
No reason for confusion, NK. It's a perfect example of the dilemma that however much one holds in awe, reverence and esteem the words in a holy book, and calls it "God's Word", one still ends up being forced to do the dirty and thankless work of interpretation. And however hard one tries to arrive at a literal (read "interpretation-free") interpretation, someone else who holds the book in just as high esteem as you do, and tries just as hard as you do to interpret it "correctly", will arrive at a different interpretation and disagree with yours. I can certainly see how vexing that would be, can't you?Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
In a way, it's not so very different from what geologists and other earth-scientists do in trying to interpret the evidence of their observations and experiments. The most notable difference to me is that scientists are not as prone to claim that their interpretation has to be correct because God revealed it to them, and therefore those who disagree with it are clearly Satan's spawn. Not to say, of course, that scientists are always models of christian charity toward their opponents in the debate.
Only when it comes to THIS ONE THREAD, Joe!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesushelper76
I notice that my earlier question still goes unanswered.
Had a feeling it would.
It doesn' t say it is 6,000 years old. It says man is approximately that. Christians have many different ideas as to when God made man. Was it right after he created heaven and earth or did He wait millions of years before He said.. let there be light. Hope that helps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Curlyben
I don't think it is in the bible... at least I don't remember reading it... and I was raised Christian. With respect to all parties (I don't mean to offend anyone, and sometimes my words are read differently than I had intended) I think that the religious people who are dating this, by using the dates and times and different formulas, are doing exactly what the scientists are doing - taking small facts and figures, and trying to piece them together - mainly, guessing... You won't be able to tell one that the other is right. There is good evidence to both things, but I personally think that the evidence surrounding an older world, is a bit more solid.
Hang on there Tessy;
Errrrrm in the words of a ZX81, DoEs NoT CoMpUtEQuote:
Originally Posted by OP
Nice catch.
Your right Curlyben our bad she didn't ask the non christians we shouldn't have responded.
I only started to reply because someone was spreading complete fallacy about scientific understanding.
Im Christian... and I still think it is an incorrect belief...
Perhaps she only values the opinion of the Christians and the claims of the non-Christians are falling on deaf ears... Either way I didn't see anything which said "Only Christians may respond to this question" I think it was a lively debate however, and perhaps will continue to be one.
I concur... it interests me.
That's just it, it is a BELIEF and nothing more.Quote:
Originally Posted by alkalineangel
belief - Definitions from Dictionary.com
The great thing about fanatic religious beliefs is that they need no grounding in reality at all.
Very true indeed. I guess I think too logically. I can believe in a God or a creator, but I have a hard time believing that this creator who supposidly loves us, would deceive us. (Which is the argument against scientific fact that I most often see) When there are cold hard facts documenting certain things, how can you ignore them. God gave us minds to think, not minds to look at something say "No, Your facts dont mean anything because I have 1 book that says differently", and then move on...
That is exactly how I feel angel! If God gave us brains to use then why would he want to decieve us. Doesn't add up to me.
This might piss some peeps off but how DO we know that God and the Bible are real...
I thought I answered it??Quote:
Originally Posted by Curlyben
God is within us all, God is all around us.Quote:
Originally Posted by rankrank55
Just because you can not see the air, does not mean it is not there. Or that we need it to be able to breath.
As far as the bible. It is real, Or we would not have one. Lol Bible is a book. It is written and many accounts of history recorded. That is a fact.
Joe
You sort of HALF answered it as you were unsure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesushelper76
I always believed in God but my family never really took me to church when I was young, so over the years I have questioned my faith a lot. It has all gotten harder for me to comprehend and believe.
Well I have found god and HIS name is Higgs boson THE God Particale
I don't value the opinions of Christians more... I was just curious to see what they think. I had a pretty good idea what non-Christians would think already. I meant no harm... of course ANYONE should respond that wants to...Quote:
Originally Posted by jillianleab
First of all, FAITH is all one really needs; however, for those who need evidence, there's some of that too.Quote:
Originally Posted by rankrank55
First of all, we have all heard of cause and effect. If you were to trace every effect back to its cause, you would find that things have a sort of domino effect. One thing happens and causes the next thing to happen and so on. All that having been said, there can only be one first Cause. There has to be a first Cause. Nothing could have caused the first cause else the first cause would not be the first cause as whatever caused the first cause would then be the first cause. Get my drift? Since the first Cause is uncaused, it must be eternal. The First Cause is God.
The Bible is "real" in many respects because the history recorded therein has been documented in extra-biblical writings. Also, many of the geographical locations spoken of in the Bible that were hidden from view for centuries have been discovered by archeologists. There is even extra-Biblical documentation that Christ did indeed rise from the dead. Not that anyone actually saw Him rise but there were Roman soldiers guarding the cave where Christ lay and the cave was covered by a large boulder. By morning, the boulder had been moved and Christ was not to be found within the tomb.
Bottom line, faith is all a Christian needs. Faith.
Then could it be that god made that first cause then set up a series of rules that must be followed to achieve his desired outcome and if this is the case than couldn't science just be humans finding the rules that god set up. Therefore the more you learn about science the more you learn about god.Quote:
Originally Posted by ActionJackson
I love science. I have no problem with science at all until it contradicts God. There are many scientists who are Christian. Many have written books disputing the conclusions of non-Christian scientists. A large portion of my library consists of said books.Quote:
Originally Posted by michealb
Scientifically, we don't know. That's why you have believers and non-believers.Quote:
This might piss some peeps off but how DO we know that God and the Bible are real...
Some people are born with faith, others, aren't. Some lose their faith. Some find it. I believe some just aren't born with the capacity for it. Religion (or lack thereof) is a very personal thing, and no one can MAKE you believe one way or another, you have to decide for yourself. So if you think the idea of God (Christian or other) makes sense and it's something you are comfortable with, you have faith. If you find it impossible to believe there is an all-powerful man in the sky, then you don't. As far as the Bible, well, it's a tangible thing, so we know it exists, the question is; is it the word of God or is it a collection of stories. Again, only your faith can answer that for you.
ActionJackson, how can you say you love science until it contradicts God? Isn't that just saying you agree with what other people say until you don't? Of course scientists can be Christian, but that doesn't mean they are better/worse more right/more wrong than scientists of other religions.
Tessy I'm sorry, my post was supposed to be taken in a teasing manner, I hope I didn't offend you!
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