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For all the disagreements on so many things it's refreshing to be able to fundementally agree with you, tough guy. I know deep down you get as frustrated as I do over things beyond our control. Hard to help the kids when the parents need even more help than they do sometimes. Sadly that seems to be MOST of the time. Heartbreaking!
Very true. I had a student one time who lived in a less than ideal home situation. Student came in the first few months yelling and throwing fits, but we were able to get her some help. Mom didn't know much but she knew that was the case so she was willing to listen and was a pleasure to work with. A few years later you would have never known the kid had gotten off to such a rough start. Those kinds of cases made the job more rewarding. Now you might not agree with this, but I never ceased to be impressed with how much better families would have been if they had followed the teachings of the Bible.Quote:
For all the disagreements on so many things it's refreshing to be able to fundementally agree with you, tough guy. I know deep down you get as frustrated as I do over things beyond our control. Hard to help the kids when the parents need even more help than they do sometimes. Sadly that seems to be MOST of the time. Heartbreaking!
I wish everybody would follow some type of Good Orderly Direction.
It depends. Are you "Pretending" the dog is a bad guy while your kicking
Him across the room :-0
Its better to pay close attention to you own heart felt convictions than
Listening to others opinions.
During my years as a psychotherapist, parents would come to our office with the plea, "Fix this kid!" Um, it turned out it wasn't the KID who needed fixing. And the entire family dynamic had to change.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Unless, of course, your heartfelt convictions are wrong.Quote:
Its better to pay close attention to you own heart felt convictions than
Listening to others opinions.
My experience was that the kid usually needed a lot of fixing, but the family dynamic, as you very well put it, needed to change. Sometimes kids are doing pretty well considering the insane asylum they live in.Quote:
parents would come to our office with the plea, "Fix this kid!" Um, it turned out it wasn't the KID who needed fixing. And the entire family dynamic had to change.
"Lots of fixing"...doesn't that just mean feeding them lots of drugs?
Kinda ironic that this topic is headed (within your own) in a direction contrary to your
Response (troubled kids/families ).
What do you think the difference would be, if any, with a young adult
"Imagining" they have a gun/knife oppose to "pretending they have a
Gun/knife?
If I have a heart felt conviction about "pretending" to be Satan, killing
Bad guys/christians, would my convictions be wrong?
I'm going to grab this knife and "pretend" to kill you...oops sorry (my bad)!
A wee bit difference in "pretending" (your owning it) vs imagination.
The Gothic world is two steps beyond imagination and one step above pretend.
Sounded to me like some were saying its alright to "run wild with your imagination"...
No. That is generally not, in my experience, the answer.Quote:
"Lots of fixing"...doesn't that just mean feeding them lots of drugs?
How's that?Quote:
Kinda ironic that this topic is headed in a direction contrary to your
Response (troubled kids/families ).
Why are we even talking about that?Quote:
What do you think the difference would be, if any, with a young adult
"Imagining" they have a gun/knife oppose to "pretending they have a
Gun/knife?
Yes, it would be wrong, and I have no idea why that would even be in question. That's why I vigorously question your contention that, "Its better to pay close attention to you own heart felt convictions." We would be better to say that it's really important to pay attention to the truth.Quote:
If I have a heart felt conviction about "pretending" to be Satan, killing
Bad guys/christians, would my convictions be wrong?
What are her conviction? She said pretend not imagination.
Who else has she included in this pretend scenario...her brother her dog?
How old is she? Is she going to pretend a firecracker is a Bomb and try to blow her brother/dog (aka. Bad guy) apart?
Why is she bothered with her convictions (did somebody get hurt while pretending)? Some of you just
Condone her actions, not even knowing or caring what is taking place in
Her life. A persons personal convictions are not to be taken lightly. If she feels convicted by this maybe it is best she put it aside before it
Becomes a creation all its own.
I would hold that her convictions speak truth. Its simple...Stop pretending.
I assume you can not stop...problem?
Who are you talking about? We haven't discussed anyone imagining or pretending have we?
Pretending is using one's imagination, waltero. Did you ever play cowboys and Indians with your friends? Or have footraces and pretend you were in the Olympics? Or, once you had your license, stood on the accelerator and drove over the speed limit so your car's engine would roar and you could pretend you were an Indy driver?Quote:
Originally Posted by waltero
And yes, it's more fun to include others in games of imagination, when we pretend.
Yes, I get that. What would make me feel I was going to hell by
"pretending" I was a racecar driver?
Couldn't I just take my moms car and "pretend" I have a licence...
If you can't see it you never will.
So just tell somebody who took a stick and "pretended" it was Loki's
scepter, swinging it around and hit her little brother and put him in ICU..
For what ever reason she feels threatened by Hellfire, its not her
imagination. Imagination does not play the same role in ones convictions.
When you pretend you are owning it. You can run wild with your imagination
but it gets a little dangerous when running wild while you are pretending.
And then you t-boned another car and killed the passengers....Quote:
Originally Posted by waltero
Or crossed the median strip and hit a car head-on...
Thus, we must walk around very carefully, arms always at our sides, no running, jumping, spinning.Quote:
So just tell somebody who took a stick and "pretended" it was Loki's
scepter, swinging it around and hit her little brother and put him in ICU..
We all have "run wild while pretending." Whatchu been smokin', waltero?Quote:
For what ever reason she feels threatened by Hellfire, its not her
imagination. Imagination does not play the same role in ones convictions.
When you pretend you are owning it. You can run wild with your imagination
but it gets a little dangerous when running wild while you are pretending.
Sorry, no quote.
Yeah even when we are 4-60 years old...nothing wrong with that!
How dare her parents tell her she should stop "pretending" to be a demon
God! My counselor told me I didn't need to stop :-p
Its a different world today. If a child has issues they give em drugs.
Everybody is on something. They have a drug for everything.
My point was, you should not just come out all wily Nilly and be the voice of authority.
Ever known somembody to "Pretend" to be somebody (actors) and never snap
out of it (look it up)...go wild. Pay no attention to your convictions.
I'm a 39 year old Ninja warrior, is that OK? Pfft!
Look at our Prez, why is it not OK for him to be an ignoramus...is it because he isn't pretending? ;-)
Sorry Walter, but I really have no idea who you are talking about. Her parents told her "she should stop "pretending" to be a demon God"? Who are you referring to?
Hi DW - better late than never - meant to ask you back then)Quote:
Originally Posted by dwashbur
I didn't understand your reply to me. I said nada about Jesus as Lord and Saviour. Or the resurrection. How did I throw out the baby with the bathwater?
AND - I must admit, I never heard that the oldest form of Christianity is confessing Jesus as Lord and Saviour. Is that even a form? A belief, ok, but a form? I would have said the oldest FORM of Christianity is the Catholic Church - when Jesus commissions Peter, "Upon this rock I will build my church". Yes, I've heard the Protestant take on that, but it seems pretty clear to me without the use of semantics.
Hi Athos,
Looking at what I wrote and what you wrote, I believe I misunderstood what you said. I apologize.
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