Ask Me Help Desk - Christianity and politics

Would you feel untroubled if they followed pat robertsons flavor of Christianity?

I differ with some of Robertsons views. But, I must admit I do not know to many of his views. He isn't really on my radar screen.;)

Part Of it to me is mixing politic`s and a truly religious person is like mixing oil and water. The other part is the politicians are using Religion for votes but when it comes to what Jesus would do, the poor get the shaft every time.
Elections come around and suddenly its gay marriage/ abortion/ the war on drug/ -- any ploy the politicians can find to make you believe they are the moral ones. A moral politician is very rare -- the last true one I believe was President Carter, and you saw how far he got. -- Savage

His views -- just a few late ones
9/11 was gods wrath for gays being tolerated in the usa
The town that last year voted out a school board that had tried to interduce creationism into the school would feel gods wrath
The Pesisdent of Venezuela needs to be killed

That flavor - savage

I have to agree with you there. It' almost impossible to be totally honest and get elected. What's that old saying? A dirty politician is redundant. Or something like that.:)

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Originally Posted by TheSavage

His views -- just a few late ones
9/11 was gods wrath for gays being tolerated in the usa
the town that last year voted out a school board that had tried to interduce creationism into the school would feel gods wrath
the Pesisdent of Venezuela needs to be killed

that flavor - savage

Oh yea, now I remember why I don't pay much attention to him.

The Savage has a point. Not all Christians are good, just look at all the sex scandals by the Catholics, the thievery by those bible belt megachurches, not to mention the actual parishioners themselves.

Then again, I know of many people whom are more kind and gentle and loving than those within my church. Its unfair to generalize, and to accuse someone unfairly is plain wrong.

My posts on this where really leading around to this latest news -- I find this disturbing -- Savage
AlterNet: Rights and Liberties: Media Finally Discovers Army of Pat Robertson Acolytes in Bush Administration

I wouldn't go too far with that. Robertson is a nut, no doubts there, but somebody (actually a lot of people) decided to vote for Bush (twice mind you). Like it or not, Bush has every right to hire the people he wants to (hopefully they are qualified).

In the end the only true Christians are the one Christ. The rest of us, believers or not, only desecrate the name.

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Simple question -- would picking a person to be in our government was made on the basic`s of religion, not ability \-- for example / a inordinate # of people that had graduated from a forth tier Christian law collage where appointed to government jobs over a short period // would that be good for the nation or not?
bye the way --I enjoy conversations like this and hope its all in good fun on both sides -- Savage

Yes, it has been enjoyable and meaningful.

I want our government to correctly represent the people they speak for. If a city is made up of a majority of atheist then the mayor should hold the same beliefs and values that the city hold. The Christians living in that city should still be respectful of their leader but at the same time desire a Christian leader that can represent their own beliefs. A person should not change their beliefs just because they are a minority. Obviously what someone believes should be influenced by truth (as abstract as that may sound) and not by what the masses believe.

I expect people to live what they believe, even when I don't agree with their beliefs. If you believe in abortion then support women's rights movement. If you believe in the right to own and carry guns then vote for someone that believes in those things also.

To summarize my complicated answer to a simple question: Picking a person to be in our government based on religion, not ability, would only be good if it accurately reflects the population. I will finish by saying that religion should be secondary to ability. If they have the same beliefs but are unable to lead then it is pointless for them to be in office because they are no help to anyone.

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Originally Posted by TheSavage

His views -- just a few late ones
9/11 was gods wrath for gays being tolerated in the usa
the town that last year voted out a school board that had tried to interduce creationism into the school would feel gods wrath
the Pesisdent of Venezuela needs to be killed

that flavor - savage

There are many people who think they are doing the right thing and screw things up for everyone else.

1 Corinthians 13:2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.

God is a jealous God. He made us, loved of, and wants us to be happy and still we reject Him. Thankfully Jesus stands between us and God's wrath, if we let him. That any type of selfish action is wrong and evil. Putting the focus on gays as if that's more evil than cheating on a test or lying is absurd.

It's no secret, the verse above makes it crystal clear: Love is more important than anything else in the world. God is love, and when we love other people, we are literally giving them the gift of God.

The biggest advantage of religion is life management based on moral values like love, kindness and selflessapproach. Religion can easily create good people in a big and organaised level and those people who enters various fields in life and giving positive contribution. Politics is an important field in life and everybody wants good politicians- they will give goodcontribution. JESUS second coming and kingdom of HEAVEN IN EARTH means christianity not against politics.

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The biggest advantage of religion is life management based on moral values like love, kindness and selflessapproach.

I seem to manage my life just fine without religion. I and my family have great morals and ethics on our own, no religion required. This si true of many people I know.

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Religion can easily create good people in a big and organaised level and those people who enters various fields in life and giving positive contribution.

There are just as many 'bad' people in all walks of life whether they are christians, jews, atheists, etc. Being a christian does NOT make one a good person.

It would seem that individuals that have no moral compass through loss of proper parenting, hardship or experienced some trauma are the ones that gravitate towards religion in search of answers as to why they are not where they wish to be.

Deep level of religious education have the power creating good people. With out religious education it is impossible- except a few people because of good circumstances they get. But all of them are not lucky in getting this type positive sorroundings. So they need religion.

Sorry nasar but that's just plain wrong. I have been lucky enough to meet good people from many nationalities and religions.

I understand why you say what you say - it stems from a need to feel superior to others. I have no such need, it's very liberating.

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Originally Posted by nasar

Deep level of religious education have the power creating good people. with out religious education it is impossible- except a few people because of good circumstances they get. but all of them are not lucky in getting this type positive sorroundings. so they need religion.

Deep levels of religious education also creates terrorist bombers,Mass suicides , cults etc.-- Savage

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IS christianity can influence politics in a HEALTHY WAY- POPE BENEDICT is also a ruler- what you think.

Christianity can influence politics in a healthy way when certain laws involve ethics or morals.
Otherwise in our Democracy(U.S) we have the "separation of Church & State." Our laws are secular.
One can clearly see that Theocracy doesn't work for the greater good. As mentioned it creates terrorism from the potential fanaticism. Theocracy is the philosophy of none other than Osama bin laden- a fusion of mosque & state. It supports extremism where radicals such as in radical Islam where the cultists even kill peaceful Muslims for not being "holy" enough.

Christianity and politics

What are two subjects that will start a riot?

I don't know man but I just read this whole post and now all I want is for the whole world to blow up. Gone! It just ain't working man. Somebody blow it up! Now! I've had enough. Kill me! I can't stand it anymore!

You guys need a better circle of friends.