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Originally Posted by I Newton

The other day my wife said to me, "Let us make a doll in our image."

She was talking to me. There was no one else there.
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Newton, you have just confirmed two identities talking. So the thread question is permitting you to answer who are the identities?

Who was God talking with? What would be God's likeless? What is God's image?

Yes; one identities speaking to someoen else.

Not one identity speaking to himself.

The identity speaking is no proof of three people.

Was it God speaking to Jesus? Most likely.

Was it God speaking to the entire community of angels? Very likely.

It is dishonest to try and convince anyone that the comment in the scripture is any proof of three people or that any of the hearers of the comment were other personalities of the same being.

One person spoke.

There is no mention of who it was said to.

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Originally Posted by I Newton

The other day my wife said to me, "Let us make a doll in our image."

She was talking to me. There was no one else there.

And my wife and I are one.

BUT she is NOT me, and I am NOT her.

We are two very differnt people made of the same substance, making us equal but I am bigger than her, I am stronger than her and she is in subjection to me, as I am subjection to Christ as Christ is in subjection to God.

"Let us make a doll in our image" is no proof of a third person in the room, and absolutely no proof that my wife is in fact --- me.

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This may not be of much help in answering the original question, but I think Mr. Newton is both right and wrong.

He is right to say that individuals always retain their individual characteristics. This is because he is talking about accidental or contingent characteristics shared by individuals. For example, husband and wife are quite obviously separate individuals but nonetheless share some common identical features. They are both human, both made of the same substance,they could be parents etc. etc.

The identity of indiscernibles says that no two distinct entities can ever exactly resemble each other. So there is no way husband and wife could ever be considered the same entity.

We could take this from the sublime to the ridiculous and say that a husband and wife resemble each other in every single, way right down to the last molecule (leaving aside one is female and one is male). The question is now. Are they the same entity? Even though the two are exactly the same in every single way they still must retain their individuality? Why? If only because they must occupy different positions in space. They both cannot exist on the one spot. This alone is enough to make them separate individuals. (leaving aside qualitative and numerical identity)

So within this physical world it seems impossible to talk about identities being exactly the same. SO IS THIS THE END OF THE ARGUMENT? NOT REALLY.

This is a lot more that can be said about identity theory when we consider the possibilities of identity without reference to a physical background. What we appear to end up with is two (possibly three)
Entities being one single entity. There are of course many miles in this argument as well.

Not much help I know.

Each idenity of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are idenitified by their own sense of purpose and meaning. However they are not separated from one another according to scripture.

The Father in Heaven (who sent His Begotten Son as flesh man, and also known as the Word of God)

The Begotten Son of God (who walked in His Father's bosom)

The Holy Spirit (who was gifted unto the Begotten Son of man from the Father)

The presences of The Father's care within the Begotten Son:
John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, He hath declared Him.

Gifted presences of the Holy Spirit in Christ:
1 Corinthians 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

I Newton,
Yes one was speaking to the GODS.
That's more than just one more.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

[QUOTE=sndbay;2196860]Each idenity of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are idenitified by their own sense of purpose and meaning. However they are not separated from one another according to scripture.


Hi sndbay,

Yes ,I very much agree with your statement. I think in terms of purpose and meaning we can only talk about separate identities.

However, when we talk about permanent or essential properties then the idea of three separate entities being combined in the one entity is reasonable.

There is of course a huge amount of debate which can be had, but when it comes to belief I sometimes,"cut to the chase".

TUT317,
When I pray to God I pray to the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
However, I have prayed to just the Father, Just The Holy Spirit and just to God The Son, Jesus Christ.
When we pray the Lord' Prayer we are praying to God the Father.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

TUT317,
When I pray to God I pray to the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
However, I have prayed to just the Father, Just The Holy Spirit and just to God The Son, Jesus Christ.
When we pray the Lord' Prayer we are praying to God the Father.
:)Peace and kindness,:)
Fred

Paul spoke of worship and prayer being done in the spirit. We that walk having the spirit, are at liberty to come before the Father in prayer.
(2 Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. )

Praying in the name of Jesus Christ to the Father in Heaven, because Christ dwells within us.

Review (Eph 6:11-17)

Eph 6:18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints



Phl 3:3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

~in Christ

sndbay,
I have no argument with that.
Peace and kindness,
Fred