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Originally Posted by arcura

Peter was giving instructions on how and why to deal with the Gentiles.
We see that "Paul and Barnabas and some of the others were appointed to go up to Jerusalem to the apostles and the elders about this question" and when they did the leader. Peter spoke to them about dealing with the Gentiles.

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Actually Peter was amongst a number of speakers at the council who gave his opinion.

James subsequently made the decision:

Acts 15:19-21
19 Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God, 20 but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from things strangled, and from blood. 21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath."
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Originally Posted by sndbay

Tj3,

Perhaps he is speaking of Acts 10 where God told Peter he was sending three Gentile men ... I believe Acts 10:28 defines why...

God warned Peter not to call anything unclean that He made clean, and thus showed Peter by dropping the food before him 3 times,= (evident indentity) that what Peter as a Hebrew could not eat, and would not eat... would not be demanded unto the Gentiles. Noted by Acts 10:28

This authority was issued at God's command as was everything done by Peter.

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Good point. So again, it was not Peter but God.

It is clear here that James was affirming what Peter, the leader, had said.
Acts 15….
7. And after there had been much debate, Peter rose and said to them, "Brethren, you know that in the early days God made choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe.
8. And God who knows the heart bore witness to them, giving them the Holy Spirit just as he did to us;
9. and he made no distinction between us and them, but cleansed their hearts by faith.
10. Now therefore why do you make trial of God by putting a yoke upon the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?
11. But we believe that we shall be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they will."
12. And all the assembly kept silence; and they listened to Barnabas and Paul as they related what signs and wonders God had done through them among the Gentiles.
13. After they finished speaking, James replied, "Brethren, listen to me.
14. Simeon has related how God first visited the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.

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Originally Posted by arcura

It is clear here that James was affirming what Peter, the leader, had said.

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Nowhere does it say Peter was the leader. It says that James made the decision. Everybody spoke,and as is the case in any meeting, the chair (leader) makes the decision:

Acts 15:19-21
19 Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God, 20 but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from things strangled, and from blood. 21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath."
NKJV

The word for "judge" is the Greek word "krino", which means to "decide (mentally or judicially); by implication, to try, condemn, punish (Strong's Concordance).

The entire new testament testifies that Peter was the leader.
The other Apostles followed Peter that is clear/
Peace and kindness,
Fred

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Originally Posted by arcura

The entire new testament testifies that Peter was the leader.
The other Apostles followed Peter that is clear/

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I acknowledge that that is your opinion. But I would suggest that from end to end, the entire New Testament testifies that Jesus alone was the leader of the Apostles.

Yes, there is no argument by any Catholic that Jesus is the supreme leader of the apostles and The Church.
But Jesus appointed Peter to be The earthly leader and gave Peter the keys to heaven.
The other apostles did indeed follow Peter as the leader.
So the bible says.
So I believe.
Fred

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Originally Posted by arcura

Yes, there is no argument by any Catholic that Jesus is the supreme leader of the apostles and The Church.

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Well, I am not sure that you are able to speak for every single person. After all they are allowed to think for themselves, aren't they?

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But Jesus appointed Peter to be The earthly leader and gave Peter the keys to heaven.
The other apostles did indeed follow Peter as the leader.

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It is your opinion.

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So the bible says.

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I see nothing in the Bible which states this.

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So I believe.

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That is your right.

Tj3,
This thread is about Peter being the leader and evidence thereof.
Apparently you have no evidence on that to offer.
PLEASE stick to the topic.
Thanks,
Fred

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Originally Posted by arcura

Tj3,
This thread is about Peter being the leader and evidence thereof.
PLEASE stick to the topic.
Thanks,
Fred

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Yes, Fred it is, and that is what I was discussing. Posting personal opinions is not evidence. Please stick to the topic - I look forward to your evidence.

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Argumentative.