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Originally Posted by michele1983

hmmm, there is a lot to contemplate! You are most helpful Joe, as you gave me a better understanding then most were able to!

thanks!

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I’m proud to have been of assistance.

You’re welcomed.

JoeT

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Originally Posted by michele1983

and what about all the people GOD killed that didn't follow his rules. Like being stoned to death when working on the Sabbath day? Where was the forgiveness?

Is it like GOD became nicer over time?

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I was reading the OT and I was surprised at how often God was angry so he did so-n-so.
The OT God sure stayed ticked off most of the time. Didn't mind dolling out punishment either!:eek:

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Originally Posted by michele1983

"No Hell": Pope

Basically saying that Hell is not a physical place. But the tormet and emptiness that a soul feels when not in a union with God...and that the Union with God, is heaven...but not a physical place...

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The Pope and I don't agree on much but this, I totally agree with. I mean, when someone tries to describe heaven to me with all these physical characteristics it doesn't do a thing for me. And if is a physical place what are we doing. Standing around, watching movies, playing ball? It's just ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by cozyk

The Pope and I don't agree on much but this, I totally agree with. I mean, when someone tries to describe heaven to me with all these physical characteristics it doesn't do a thing for me. And if is a physical place what are we doing. Standing around, watching movies, playing ball? It's just rediculous.

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In case you missed it the Pope's Catechesis on heaven, hell and purgatory: Heaven, Hell and Purgatory

It wasn't quite like the description above.

JoeT

Gal 3:24-26
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
(KJV)

Every law of the OT was a type (picture) of Christ and the New Covenant. The Law dealt with the exterior works, while the New Covenant deals with the inner man, (soul, spirit, attitudes).
Now that we are under the New Covenant, there is no further need of an external law. We will keep the spirit of the law automatically IF we continue in the faith.

The bible is God's written word,unfortunately many human hands were and still are involved so as a result many things were changed.
One of the most wonderful promises that God makes is that He will put His Spirit inside us and His Spirit is the Spirit of Truth,The Spirit will lead us to The Truth.
Does God change His rules?Yes He does!
In the beginning it was OK for brothers to be married and have children, it was a need and there was no other way for us humans to multiply.When the number of humans was large enough ,God stopped it.
Also God did not allow the people of Israel to have any relationship with the gentiles,but later that changed too thank God!
Circumsision changed,clean and unclean food changed...
God's rules were not cancelled but we people after the coming of Christ understood the law, the way God wants us too.Jesus tought us how to keep the law.For example today we have no circumsision of the flesh, but we need to keep the circumsision of the heart.There is no clean and unclean food, but the real food is every word that comes out of God's mouth,so today's clean food is God's Word.
Jesus revealed to us the real meaning of the law,that in the centre of it HAS NOT CHANGED!

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Originally Posted by cozyk

The Pope and I don't agree on much but this, I totally agree with. I mean, when someone tries to describe heaven to me with all these physical characteristics it doesn't do a thing for me. And if is a physical place what are we doing. Standing around, watching movies, playing ball? It's just rediculous.

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What if heaven is being who you are now, only better, and doing all you do now, only better? (As a kid, I thought we'd be hanging out wearing white robes and playing harps and singing all day. Talk about boring!)

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Originally Posted by adam7gur

Jesus revealed to us the real meaning of the law,that in the centre of it HAS NOT CHANGED!

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[to finish my "agree"]... because his heart is God's, and not because he has to.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

What if heaven is being who you are now, only better, and doing all you do now, only better? (As a kid, I thought we'd be hanging out wearing white robes and playing harps and singing all day. Talk about boring!)

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You mean I'll be thinner, have better hair days, my skin will be as smooth as a baby's butt,
I'll be doing my favorite things, like eating out, watching good movies, snuggeling by a fire.
I won't be doing those dreaded things like cleaning the bathroom, exercising, etc.

I think I don't believe we will be fleshly creatures in heaven because the bottom line of anything you do for enjoyment is to achieve the bottom line... the good feeling you get.
I believe in heaven, your spirit just enjoys the good feeling and skips the "middle man."
Middle man being all the activities, relationships, appearances, that are our ways or reaching the good feelings we experience in our earthly life.

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You mean I'll be thinner, have better hair days, my skin will be as smooth as a baby's butt,
I'll be doing my favorite things, like eating out, watching good movies, snuggeling by a fire.
I won't be doing those dreaded things like cleaning the bathroom, exercising, etc.

I think I don't believe we will be fleshly creatures in heaven because the bottom line of anything you do for enjoyment is to achieve the bottom line... the good feeling you get.
I believe in heaven, your spirit just enjoys the good feeling and skips the "middle man."
Middle man being all the activities, relationships, appearances, that are our ways or reaching the good feelings we experience in our earthly life.

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There won't be dirt in heaven, so no cleaning. You will be thin with perfect hair and skin. Several Bible writers say "in my own flesh I shall see God." Verses and the three major church creeds also say that Judgment Day will give us resurrected bodies that will be reunited with souls. Heaven will be far more than "good feelings."

None of us will really truly know what heaven is like until we get there.

I agree but what God says he say the same thing in then both so yea lol I agree totally

Hi Michele, The Old Testament only applied to the people in the past when Jesus was still walking around.It does not apply to us today.We must follow the law of the New Testament today. Jesus died for our sins and paid the price for us so we can be free of the Old Testament. I hope you are not confused anymore.Your question was very interesting. Feel free to reply if necessary.

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Originally Posted by humble10

Hi Michele, The Old Testament only applied to the people in the past when Jesus was still walking around.It does not apply to us today.We must follow the law of the New Testament today. Jesus died for our sins and paid the price for us so we can be free of the Old Testament. I hope you are not confused anymore.Your question was very interesting. Feel free to reply back if necessary.

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So the 10-commandments aren't to be observed?

JoeT

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Originally Posted by Lillybilly

i agree but what God says he say the same thing in then both so yea lol i agree totally

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I'm very confused. What are you saying?:confused::confused:

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Originally Posted by humble10

Hi Michele, The Old Testament only applied to the people in the past when Jesus was still walking around.It does not apply to us today.We must follow the law of the New Testament today. Jesus died for our sins and paid the price for us so we can be free of the Old Testament. I hope you are not confused anymore.Your question was very interesting. Feel free to reply back if necessary.

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From the CCC:

2068 The Council of Trent teaches that the Ten Commandments are obligatory for Christians and that the justified man is still bound to keep them; the Second Vatican Council confirms: "The bishops, successors of the apostles, receive from the Lord . . . the mission of teaching all peoples, and of preaching the Gospel to every creature, so that all men may attain salvation through faith, Baptism and the observance of the Commandments."



JoeT

So... :)
Of what I understood is that "should we obey the commandments of God"... is that?
If yes, firstly I wanted to tell u: the Bible is the Word Of God!!
If you REALLY believe in God, then u'll obey to his Word.. :)

The 1st commandment you must obey to and it's really important is: "love your God with all your heart, all your soul, all your strength and all your mind... :)

Hope it helped... :D

Love is the greatest commandment.

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From the CCC:

2068 The Council of Trent teaches that the Ten Commandments are obligatory for Christians and that the justified man is still bound to keep them; the Second Vatican Council confirms: "The bishops, successors of the apostles, receive from the Lord . . . the mission of teaching all peoples, and of preaching the Gospel to every creature, so that all men may attain salvation through faith, Baptism and the observance of the Commandments."

JoeT

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Catholics DO pick, or see reasons certain things no longer apply. (Whichever suits you)

You, like most of the rest of us do NOT keep the Sabbath, (the seventh day) but rather the first day of the week. Please note that I do not keep the sabbath either.

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Catholics DO pick and choose, or see reasons why certain things no longer apply. (Whichever suits you)

You, like most of the rest of us do NOT keep the Sabbath, (the seventh day) but rather the first day of the week. Please note that I do not keep the sabbath either.

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They also have a slightly revised set of 10 commandments which removes one that otherwise might be a bit embarrassing.