Tj3,
Good point,
Well made.
Fred

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by magprob

There is only one way to the Father, thru the Son. So, denying the Son is not rejection?

---

The overwhelming majority of Gentiles have rejected the Son - how is that any different?

Tj3,
Good question.
I await the answer to it.
Fred

Anyone that rejects Jesus rejects GOD and they are rejected themselves, from eternal life. But you know that. Israel encompases more that just the Jewish People. The ones that have taken over the new Israel, are not Gods chosen people any more than a Gentile Or Jew that have not accepted Jesus Christ are. All people that accept Jesus Christ are his Chosen, or, Isreal. The Real, New, Israel. Not the one that exist today performing a haulocast on the Palestinian people that are more semitic than the criminals that are stealing their land and killing them. Is that done in LOVE? Sorry, not popular but true. So, if you don't understand that, you don't understand what you say you stand for.

magprob
Excuse me , WHOSE land?
According to the Bible , the Word of God , whose land is this? If you accept Jesus then you have to accept God's Word , if you reject God's Word , then you reject Jesus , you reject God!
Genesis 12:1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:

3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
Genesis 17:5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.

6 And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.

7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.

8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

You are simply wrong about that !

magprob ,
Sorry, but that land was GIVEN to the Jews by God.
So the bible says.
I believe the bible, God's word.
Jesus, My Lord and savior is a Jew.
I worship a Jew.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by magprob

Anyone that rejects Jesus rejects GOD and they are rejected themselves, from eternal life. But you know that. Israel encompases more that just the Jewish People. The ones that have taken over the new Israel, are not Gods chosen people any more than a Gentile Or Jew that have not accepted Jesus Christ are. All people that accept Jesus Christ are his Chosen, or, Isreal. The Real, New, Israel. Not the one that exist today performing a haulocast on the Palestinian people that are more semitic than the criminals that are stealing their land and killing them. Is that done in LOVE? Sorry, not popular but true. So, if you don't understand that, you don't understand what you say you stand for.

---

Wait a second there bucko, if I reject Jesus I reject God? If your belief in the bible is greater than your belief in God I can see how you might think that; but I can assure you that "God" as I have experienced in my life has no such conditions. Do I think Jesus is the son of God, in a manner of speaking this could be true, but not in the traditional sense as you were likely taught by an authority which you've never questioned.

As for Israel or those who are chosen and who aren't, it's worth further study that we learn that the authors of who was originally chosen where the Jews themselves, how convenient ;)

As for those who non-Jew Christian's who now include themselves as the chosen and certainly are the only ones promoting this line of thinking, how convenient ;)

From the Christian faith, yes, those that reject Christ * Jesus* are rejecting God. So anyone that is believing in the Bible will believe in Christ Jesus.

Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.

If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him."

John 14:6-7

And, I stick to my statement that the ones that have "Hijacked" Israel are not GODs chosen people. They are imposters using the bible and ignorant Christians to further their strangle hold on ultimate power. It is a brilliant scam that has sucked in even you.

What did you think Satans plan was anyway? To have you fritter and argue usless dogma as if you were a gifted one. (Pharisees all of you) It is happening under your nose and you are to rightously ingaged in worthless argument to notice. A brilliant plan indeed.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by magprob

Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.

If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him."

John 14:6-7

---

At my core I've always thought that Jesus was saying - Look at me, you know me, see how I act, see how I love, see my scarifice, you have heard my teachings. They are love, this is God; the way to God is through love. So there is no other way to the father but through love of God (notice he didn't say himself), love of your neighbor and all the laws can be summarized in this.

Love, it is not reserved for Christian's only, and I agree that the narrow path of love (in all it's forms) results in a greater connection with the "God" you believe in.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by magprob

What did you think Satans plan was anyway? To have you fritter and argue usless dogma as if you were a gifted one. (Pharisees all of you) It is happening under your nose and you are to rightously ingaged in worthless argument to notice. A brilliant plan indeed.

---

I've often wondered if modern Christian's were the equivalent of the Pharisees; quoting scripture and scripture and pointing to this law and that law and what is right and what is wrong with other people's beliefs or interpretations of the bible.

Although I like what Jesus said, something to the effect of God's new covenant is available in the hearts of everyone. Was he not saying to stop the BS of arguing useless dogma and get on with the business of his example of we should treat and love each other, and the truth of that we will find in our hearts, not in a book or in laws or scripture?

So smooth it over to soften your blow. There is only one way, no compromise. And in this world to day, our homes and our land and everything else is being stolen. The Christain foundation is being corrupted by the ones I am talking about so don't mealy mouth me. Either stand up and fight for GOD and "ALL" his people or shut up. (Palestine)

Oh, and by the way, as much as I wish my name was Buck-O, it ain't.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by TexasParent

Wait a second there bucko, if I reject Jesus I reject God? If your belief in the bible is greater than your belief in God I can see how you might think that; but I can assure you that "God" as I have experienced in my life has no such conditions. Do I think Jesus is the son of God, in a manner of speaking this could be true, but not in the traditional sense as you were likely taught by an authority which you've never questioned.

As for Israel or those who are chosen and who aren't, it's worth further study that we learn that the authors of who was originally chosen where the Jews themselves, how convenient ;)

As for those who non-Jew Christian's who now include themselves as the chosen and certainly are the only ones promoting this line of thinking, how convenient ;)

---

The last I knew, the Anti Defamation League was trying to ban the New Testament from the United States. I see you have taken Abe Foxmans word as gospel.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by magprob

The last I knew, the Anti Defamation League was trying to ban the New Testament from the United States. I see you have taken Abe Foxmans word as gospel.

---

Since I know very little to nothing about the Anti-Defamaton League and have never heard the name Abe Foxman, I don't know if I've been insulted or complimented.

So here is a friendly bugger off, or thank you, depending on your intent... lol.

My intent is LOVE through true knowledge. Find the real truth. GOD bless you. I love every creature with the LOVE of Jesus Christ. I just ain't taking any crap in the name of Jesus Christ, my Lord and Savior.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by magprob

My intent is LOVE thru true knowledge. Find the real truth. GOD bless you. I love every creature with the LOVE of Jesus Christ. I just ain't taking any crap in the name of Jesus Christ, my Lord and Savior.

---

I apologize if the my beliefs were worded against you and your beliefs, or against other Christian's. I'm relatively new to the boards and I will attempt to express my beliefs in a way that respects the beliefs of others.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by magprob

Anyone that rejects Jesus rejects GOD and they are rejected themselves, from eternal life. But you know that. Israel encompases more that just the Jewish People. The ones that have taken over the new Israel, are not Gods chosen people any more than a Gentile Or Jew that have not accepted Jesus Christ are. All people that accept Jesus Christ are his Chosen, or, Isreal. The Real, New, Israel. Not the one that exist today performing a haulocast on the Palestinian people that are more semitic than the criminals that are stealing their land and killing them. Is that done in LOVE? Sorry, not popular but true. So, if you don't understand that, you don't understand what you say you stand for.

---

I must assume then that you do not agree with what scripture says then in Romans 11 where it tells us that Israel (Jews) are not rejected, and what Romans and Galatians says about all men being equally accountable for their sin.

Could you please provide us which a scriptural basis for your theory rather than spout this rant of anti-Jewish opinion?