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how will you stop sinning? will you go to heaven by sinning? who tells you what sin you're committing? why do you need transformation, or rebirth? can't you go to heaven dirty, sinful, unclean?

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When Jesus said that He cleanses us of all unrighteousness - what do you think "all unrighteousness" means? Is sin unrighteousness?

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Heb 10:24-25
24 And let us consider one another in order to stir up love and good works, 25 not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching.
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When Jesus said that He cleanses us of all unrighteousness - what do you think "all unrighteousness" means? Is sin unrighteousness?

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How does he do this?

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how does he do this?

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1 John 1:7-8
7 But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.
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When Jesus said that He cleanses us of all unrighteousness - what do you think "all unrighteousness" means? Is sin unrighteousness?

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yes, sin is unrighteousness... which refers to our wrong behaviour, thoughts, motives. Now, the way (lol) jesus cleanses us, is through the holy spirit. This takes time. We still sin. Sin cannot enter into heaven.

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yes, sin is unrighteousness... which refers to our wrong behaviour, thoughts, motives. now, the way (lol) jesus cleanses us, is through the holy spirit. this takes time. we still sin. sin cannot enter into heaven.

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Heb 10:13-15
14 For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified.
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1 John 1:7-8
7 But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.
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But if I slap some of jesus' blood on me, it won't stop me from sinning. So the cleansing process takes time.

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but if i slap some of jesus' blood on me, it won't stop me from sinning. so the cleansing process takes time.

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That is what sanctification is. This is not cleansing. Scripture is clear that the cleansing occurred. And it is not our perfection, but it is His perfection that justifies us.

Rom 4:20-25
20 He did not waver at the promise of God through unbelief, but was strengthened in faith, giving glory to God, 21 and being fully convinced that what He had promised He was also able to perform. 22 And therefore "it was accounted to him for righteousness." 23 Now it was not written for his sake alone that it was imputed to him, 24 but also for us. It shall be imputed to us who believe in Him who raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead, 25 who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was raised because of our justification.
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Heb 10:13-15
14 For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified.
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Ahhhh... those who are being sanctified.

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ahhhh.... those who are being sanctified.

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Exactly. Not perfected, not cleansed, but sanctified!

I will never say that jesus didn't save us from the payment of sin. We could never pay that price ourselves. But don't you wonder how he did it?

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i will never say that jesus didn't save us from the payment of sin. we could never pay that price ourselves. but don't you wonder how he did it?

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By the sacrifice on the cross.

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Exactly. Not perfected, not cleansed, but sanctified!

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Cleansed from what? Perfected how?

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By the sacrifice on the cross.

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I'm talking about how he remained sinless... what method did he use?

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i'm talking about how he remained sinless... what method did he use?

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He was fully submitted to the Father, and did not inherit the sin nature.

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He was fully submitted to the Father, and did not inherit the sin nature.

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Then temptation would have had no effect on him?

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then temptation would have had no effect on him?

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I did not say that or even imply it.

Heb 4:15-16
15 For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin.
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What did Jesus mean when He said in John 3 -

3Jesus answered and said to him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God."

4Nicodemus said to Him, "How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born, can he?"

5Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

6"That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

What are the signs and how do you know for sure, that you have been "Born again"?

Peace.

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To be "born again" is to be baptized in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

Water is the principle sign in this Sacrament because water is used to wash away filth from the body. Therefore it is used to signify the real washing away of filth from the soul and thus being born into the Body of Christ.

How do you know that you have been born again for sure? If you have been baptized in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit and either washed or dipped in water as a sign of that Baptism.

Sincerely,

De Maria

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To be "born again" is to be baptized in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

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Baptism does not save.

Tj3 thanks for the back and forth... it helps to discuss and learn... I'm going home from work. I hope all of us can believe in a living god.