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Originally Posted by Tj3
John 6:60-64
61 When Jesus knew in Himself that His disciples complained about this, He said to them, "Does this offend you? 62 What then if you should see the Son of Man ascend where He was before? 63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life. NKJV
Now Jesus now says that the flesh profits nothing. This appears contrary to verses 53-4 that state that we need to eat his flesh and drink his blood, and if we do, we receive eternal life, but then Jesus clarifies by stating that Jesus says that the words are the spirit and the life. This is why it is important to continue on and read the full context because Jesus has just struck to the very heart of the doctrine of transubstantiation by saying that the flesh does not profit us at all. Rather He says, that the life comes from the spirit, not the flesh and it is the words that bring the spirit.
Look at it again. Notice how He distinguishes between "His Flesh" and "the flesh"
Jesus never says, "my" flesh profits nothing. He says "the" flesh profits nothing.
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Words = spirit = life, Flesh does not profit anything.
You skipped an important point here. Jesus says, His words are spirit and life. Which words? The ones He has just spoken.
John 6 56 For my flesh is meat indeed: and my blood is drink indeed. 57 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, abideth in me, and I in him.
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This is in harmony with what Jesus said in Matthew chapter 4:
Matt 4:3-4
3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. 4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. KJV
It certainly is.
First, man does not live by bread alone. Therefore Jesus provided His Flesh.
Second, it is the Word of God made flesh that we eat.
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It is God's word that brings life and the spirit, not eating the flesh.
Of course not. But it is the eating of His Flesh which brings life and spirit. Your flesh avails naught. My flesh avails naught. Only Christ's Flesh avails much because it is He who took flesh for the salvation of the world.
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Therefore, even if the bread were changed to flesh, there would be no benefit from eating it.
Of course you are correct. If bread were changed to beef or if bread were changed to TJ's flesh. There would be no benefit whatsoever.
But since the bread was changed by the Word of God to His Son's Flesh, then it avails much indeed.
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Now, remember earlier in this document, it was noted that human flesh and blood do perish and yet the bread that Jesus offered did not perish? Here is the explanation. Jesus was not speaking of bread, or of blood or of flesh but was speaking of the words of God which bring life. God word and the life which comes from God's word (the Gospel) are eternal. Bread, flesh and blood are perishable, but God's word and salvation which comes from receiving the gospel are eternal.
But Jesus Flesh and Blood are not perishable:
Acts Of Apostles 13 35 And therefore, in another place also, he saith: Thou shalt not suffer thy holy one to see corruption.
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64a But there are some of you who do not believe.
Some do not believe that the flesh profits nothing rather and thus do not believe that it is His words that give the spirit and life. If they do not believe that the flesh profits nothing, then they must believe that it is the flesh rather than His words that He is speaking about.
That is a false interpretation of this Scripture. Some do not believe that Jesus gives us His Flesh and Blood as real food and drink unto life eternal.
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64b For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him.
And some as a result, they will betray him.
This is specifically about Judas.
72 Now he meant Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon: for this same was about to betray him, whereas he was one of the twelve.
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63 And He said, "Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father." 64 But there are some of you who do not believe." For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him. 65 And He said, "Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father." 66 From that time many of His disciples went back and walked with Him no more. 67 Then Jesus said to the twelve, "Do you also want to go away?"
68 But Simon Peter answered Him, "Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69 Also we have come to believe and know that You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."
The Apostles remain true and believe that the flesh profits nothing but rather believe in His words for the spirit and life.
That doesn't even make sense. The disciples who believed that Jesus was speaking left because they did not believe that Jesus Flesh profiteth unto eternal life. That is why they said, it is a hard saying.
Obviously, the Apostles believed that Jesus Flesh availeth much.
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What could be the words that Jesus speaks which bring life? It is the words of truth, the truth of who He is, the truth or why He came to earth in the flesh and the words that give us the truth of the gospel, the only words which can bring us eternal life.
Of course but in this context it is the words He just spoke. He just said that His Flesh is real food and that we must eat His Flesh if we want life eternal.
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Thos who believed that He was speaking about the actual eating of flesh and drinking of blood missed the point of the gospel and were not saved.
No, you've missed the point. Those who understood but could not believe that He was speaking of His Flesh were the ones who were not saved.
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Those who stayed understood that without a sacrifice and without the shedding of blood, their was no remission of sins, and that Jesus was the lamb of God, sent to be the ultimate sacrifice, the only sacrifice which could actually take away sins and restore us to a right relationship with God.
And what happens to the sacrifice of the paschal Lamb?
Exodus 12 4 But if the number be less than may suffice to eat the lamb, he shall take unto him his neighbour that joineth to his house, according to the number of souls which may be enough to eat the lamb.
And what is Jesus?
1 Corinthians 5 7 Purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new paste, as you are unleavened. For Christ our pasch is sacrificed.
Sincerely,
De Maria
