Ask Me Help Desk - Should Food Statues Remain As Law Today

Snd,

Sometimes I scratch my head after reading your posts. I think I am a pretty smart cookie but I get really confused. What the heck do you mean? What does your original question mean? I am trying to answer it but I guess I am not. What does Status have to do with anything.. what do you mean they have been dropped? Huh?

I KNOW there are many laws.. that is MY point to YOU and you don't get to pick which ones you can follow. Oh this one isn't valid anymore but this one is? Hello? The deal is this... we now are under Grace.. we don't have to follow those laws anymore. That doesn't mean we can sin, we are held to an even HIGHER standard.

I get it that you don't think that is true. We can agree to disagree. But the Status thing... I don't get?? I must be having blonde moment. Ha

It does look as if this entire subject has been offered under another new topic. "Eating Pork" Perhaps you could read those and see where this topic of Statutes has gone.

Ahhh, Ok in one of your posts you forgot the e in statues and I was REALLY confused. But having said that, I still think you are hard to understand. (sorry, maybe I AIN'T nearly as bright as I think.. hee hee)

I think we would be healthier today if we just lived the way the Lord intended... everything in balance. Not too much food, not too much wine, not too much of anything. Moderation.

Yes I have been spelling it wrong but it wasn't the e it is the 3rd T.. Statutes

Sorry that my posts are not clear enough.. Maybe too much is being brought up all at once.

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Originally Posted by classyT

I think we would be healthier today if we just lived the way the Lord intended...everything in balance. Not too much food, not too much wine, not too much of anything. Moderation.

And this is the exact reason this topic should be easier. We all want to be healthier, yet Americans tend to spoil themselves. And I wonder if other countries have done the same. Plus as you said if we live the way the Lord intended.. Well that's the question with the statutes on food. What exactly holds true today as good health statutes , and why were they dropped. I am looking for God's Words that says the swine is not a swine..

Have a good night

Healthy diet is one thing, keeping the Levitical law is another. Consider carefully the words of Apostle Paul:

Gal 3:1-3
1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
(KJV)

Paul here warns about adding the Law to Grace. In fact, the whole letter to the Galatians deals primarialy with this.

Leviticus 10-11 There are 2 differences that we are to acknowledge. 10 is the worship of God with forgiveness in sacrifice of meat.. OLD LAW No further is this followed because Christ brought us our forgiveness...The second difference found in 11 are clean and unclean for us as protection in our daily lives.

KJV Leviticus 10:10 And that ye may put difference between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean;

My opinion is that we follow the commandment as law because we have faith in all that Christ has brought us. It examples our rightousness which is our good standing with God.

Well, sndbay, it's true that there are many things in the OT that would be beneficial for us to follow, and that's OK with me. I do have one question for you though. Do you believe you are justified by keeping some portion of the Law? If that is your belief, then I have to seriously disagree with you.

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Originally Posted by Galveston1

Well, sndbay, it's true that there are many things in the OT that would be beneficial for us to follow, and that's ok with me. I do have one question for you though. Do you believe you are justified by keeping some portion of the Law? If that is your belief, then I have to seriously disagree with you.

Answer is No. . My belief is as follows:

KJV Exodus 15:26 And said, If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, and wilt do that which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I [am] the LORD that healeth thee.
Matthew 5:17-19 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Hebrews 10:9-10 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once [for all].
Hebrw 10: 16-18 This [is] the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.Now where remission of these [is, there is] no more offering for sin
Galatians 3:10-11But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, [it is] evident: for, The just shall live by faith.For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
Galatians 3:15-18 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though [it be] but a man's covenant, yet [if it be] confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.And this I say, [that] the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. For if the inheritance [be] of the law, [it is] no more of promise: but God gave [it] to Abraham by promise.
Romans 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
John 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
John 12:36 While ye have light, believe in the light, that ye may be the children of light. These things spake Jesus, and departed, and did hide himself from them.
First John 1:17 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
Proverbs 6:21-23 Bind them continually upon thine heart, [and] tie them about thy neck. When thou goest, it shall lead thee; when thou sleepest, it shall keep thee; and [when] thou awakest, it shall talk with thee. For the commandment [is] a lamp; and the law [is] light; and reproofs of instruction [are] the way of life:
Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Galatians 2:20-21 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness [come] by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

The Bible says keep your body (temple) clean but people are unaware that most foods they put in their body are bad. I am not even sure Levitical law or any other law would cover what they are doing to our food nowadays. Other than the keep your body clean I don't think the Bible covers our food as it is now.
MSG is horrible on some people and the drugs the doctors give out now its worse than people can imagine.
They say we could be walking around with dormant mad cow because they are not really testing cattle that have the disease but have not gotten to tell tale symptom stages yet.

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EXODUS 24:12 And the LORD said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them.

God's laws and commandments are not a religion but a set apart way of Life. Hebrew Israelites don't practice Judaism, they do adhere to God's Torah (Instruction, laws). First 5 Book of Scripture (Book of Moses)

John 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
John 12:36 While ye have light, believe in the light, that ye may be the children of light. These things spake Jesus, and departed, and did hide himself from them.
First John 1:17 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
Proverbs 6:21-23 Bind them continually upon thine heart, [and] tie them about thy neck. 22 When thou goest, it shall lead thee; when thou sleepest, it shall keep thee; and [when] thou awakest, it shall talk with thee.23 For the commandment [is] a lamp; and the law [is] light; and reproofs of instruction [are] the way of life:
Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Galatians 2:20-21 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness [come] by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Hebrews 10:9-10 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once [for all].
Hebrw 10: 16-18 This [is] the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.Now where remission of these [is, there is] no more offering for sin

Hello sndby,

That's a question that I've also thought about from time to time. There might be something to it. The people were not to eat the fat on the organs or the blood of the animals that they killed. We know today that eating fat is not healthy. The letter in Acts 15:23-29 indicates that we still shouldn't eat blood. I wouldn't knowingly eat blood.

As to all the rules about which kind of animals & insects, I'm not sure if that would help us today. Do you know whether Orthodox Jews live longer than us? I'm sure that the data is out there somewhere.

It seems that you are pondering this for health reasons only, not religious reasons. Did I understand your question correctly?

Rob

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Originally Posted by rhadsen

Hello sndby,

That's a question that I've also thought about from time to time. There might be something to it. The people were not to eat the fat on the organs or the blood of the animals that they killed. We know today that eating fat is not healthy. The letter in Acts 15:23-29 indicates that we still shouldn't eat blood. I wouldn't knowingly eat blood.

As to all the rules about which kind of animals & insects, I'm not sure if that would help us today. Do you know whether Orthodox Jews live longer than us? I'm sure that the data is out there somewhere.

It seems that you are pondering this for health reasons only, not religious reasons. Did I understand your question correctly?

Rob

You are correct Rob in saying health reason, but not ONLY. Also following the law with the except of what is written in scripture.
When we clearly read scripture there was but ONE that changed. The ONE being Christ body and blood established the change. However it does also say the law (which is the light of Christ )was put in our hearts. And I believe {{Satan would try to take the light away.}}

Hebrews 10:9-10 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once [for all].
Hebrw 10: 16-18 This [is] the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.Now where remission of these [is, there is] no more offering for sin

1. O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
2. By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
3. This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord,
4. I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them
5. And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

May intentions are always to allow the continued use of free will that God gave everyone. So of course each of us has their own decision to make when using their free will. Bringing forth Truth from the scripture can plant good seeds but only God can open the door to those who listen to His Word. I find His Word far more important then listening to man or traditions. It is our own desire within the heart of soul that brings Christ to us.

So keeping Chirst Holy as our Sabbath and rest, follow Him. Putting no other god before HIM. And loving GOD above all.

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Originally Posted by rhadsen

Do you know whether Orthodox Jews live longer than us?

My opinion would be that you would first have to ask if they follow Christ. For all are dead who do not. What is written does include all and not just one detail. What credit is put out to us on earth is our works and length of time in life is up to God.

Matthew 5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

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Originally Posted by sndbay

Would we today be healthier if we still taught all statues which the Lord had spoken in the book of Leviticus? According to what Jesus said, He did not come to change or eliminate them but to fulfil them.
Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Well friend, looking at your question again, then I would say that the purpose of the law was fulfilled. The purpose of the law was to bring us to Christ (Galatians 3:24) was it not? And now, being in Christ (having been justified Ephesians 2:10) we gladly seek to live according to the royal law (James 2:8). To wrap it up, we should teach the law to show what God demands of those who want to be justified by works. Having learned that, they will choose Grace. As I'm sure that you and I would agree, it's Grace -OR- Works, not Grace -AND- Works.

Have a Blessed Weekend,

Rob

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Originally Posted by sndbay

Would we today be healthier if we still taught all statues which the Lord had spoken in the book of Leviticus? According to what Jesus said, He did not come to change or eliminate them but to fulfil them.
Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

I used the Maker's diet for 40m days and lost 30 pounds. It is based on Old Testament diet. I felt better than I had in a long time, had more energy and wasn't sick feeling. I am hoping for the strength to get back on it, but it requires diligence.

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Originally Posted by rhadsen

Well friend, looking at your question again, then I would say that the purpose of the law was fulfilled. The purpose of the law was to bring us to Christ (Galatians 3:24) was it not?

The fulfilment of prophecy past, present, future.

The First Fulfilment of Prophecy in the N.T. - Appendix to the Companion Bible

The purpose of the law was to bring us to Christ and thus follow His Light.
Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster [to bring us] unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

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Originally Posted by rhadsen

And now, being in Christ (having been justified Ephesians 2:10) we gladly seek to live according to the royal law (James 2:8). To wrap it up, we should teach the law to show what God demands of those who want to be justified by works.

We are not justified by works.. Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Rather to wrap it up, we teach the law so that we walk in the Light of Jesus. Several scripture talks of not having both sides within your heart. James 4:8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse [your] hands, [ye] sinners; and purify [your] hearts, [ye] double minded.

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Originally Posted by rhadsen

Having learned that, they will choose Grace. As I'm sure that you and I would agree, it's Grace -OR- Works, not Grace -AND- Works.

Have a Blessed Weekend,

Rob

People have free will, and with free will, they can decide how to be accountable. No one to blame but themselves. And I thank God for His Mercy and Grace.

Mark 13:22-23 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if [it were] possible, even the elect.But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.