inthebox,
You have no idea of the power and influence the Flying Spagetti Monster has over you. May his noodly appendage touch you in ways that make you happy.

NK

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by inthebox

Michael b:

I'm curious as to the last reported martyr for Zeus?

Chinese Christian Martyr, Jiang, copied from VOM for example.

BC and AD just goes to show the influence of Christianity in the western world of which Greece is a part of.

As to movies: The Passion - to name one. There are others like, Chronicles of Narnia which is Christian based.

Here's more t think about:
Are there charitible organizations that are Zeus based? Analogous to Christian organizations like The Salvation Army, St Jude's, faith based hospitals etc....

Everything about Zeus is in the past, and of little influence today.
And the only reason I thought of Zeus, or unicorns is because you brought it up.

Grace and Peace

---

The point of the Zeus example is that he was once a powerful god that if you would have denied his existence to his followers then they would have fought just as hard as christians do today many harder. They had just as much proof for their god as you do yours and theirs was around first. His followers would go on and on about how you just have to have faith in Zeus but every christian dismisses them without a second thought. Why? If it is simply because christianity is more popular that doesn't sound like a good reason to me.

Popularity is not the reason.

Truth, purpose, meaning, acceptance, forgiveness, and love are just some of the reasons.




Grace and Peace

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by michealb

The point of the Zeus example is that he was once a powerful god that if you would have denied his existence to his followers then they would have fought just as hard as christians do today many harder. They had just as much proof for their god as you do yours and theirs was around first. His followers would go on and on about how you just have to have faith in Zeus but every christian dismisses them without a second thought. Why? If it is simply because christianity is more popular that doesn't sound like a good reason to me.

---

1)If they did then they would have been as big as judaism, islam or christianity. 2

2)christianity wasn't so popular during the time greeks believed in zeus or wateva.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by jillianleab

But we CAN see electricity.... in the winter, when the air is dry, I can build up a static charge and put my finger near metal and SEE the spark it creates. When there is a thunderstorm, I can look in the sky and SEE lightning. We can also see the wind - the trees move, my hair moves, my shirt, leaves skitter across the ground... it's all there. I think that's the point - anyone can see electricity or the wind, there's no prerequisite for a "pure heart" or whatever. Just working eyes. If you want to make the argument one cannot see god unless he/she is looking for him, that's fine, but you can't say electricity and wind can't be seen, when they clearly can.

---

WRONG! Electricity is caused by differences in charge you cannot see that. What you see is light energy caused by the reaction of those charged molecules with the atmosphere's oxygen that burns.

You cannot see the wind, what you see is the objects the wind moves whether it be dust, trees or anything else.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by deist

Let's face it. Christians are just brainwashed.

---

Lets face it if you had an education you're practically brain washed.

Prefect

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by nigel5

WRONG! Electricity is caused by differences in charge you cannot see that. What you see is light energy caused by the reaction of those charged molecules with the atmosphere's oxygen that burns.

You cannot see the wind, what you see is the objects the wind moves whether it be dust, trees or anything else.

---

Ever heard of a microscope?

Quote:

---

Lets face it if you had an education you're practically brain washed.

---

So education is a bad thing? Oh, and you might want to further your own brain washing education... your spelling is lacking. :)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by nigel5

WRONG! Electricity is caused by differences in charge you cannot see that. What you see is light energy caused by the reaction of those charged molecules with the atmosphere's oxygen that burns.

You cannot see the wind, what you see is the objects the wind moves whether it be dust, trees or anything else.

---

Well technically you can't see anything but photons. So you can't see your computer just the photons bouncing off it or that it emits. That isn't how we think of vision as working in our everyday lives though. It's still makes me think the example is meant to overwhelm the logic of a 5 year old. A reasonable adult just thinks it's not a good analogy. I wouldn't even think that someone that believes in god would think that it would be a good analogy since we understand electricity and wind very well yet god you all say we are not suppose to understand.

Also
Definitions of wind on the Web:
air moving (sometimes with considerable force) from an area of high pressure to an area of low pressure; "trees bent under the fierce winds...

Smoke /smoʊk/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[smohk] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation noun, verb, smoked, smok·ing.
–noun 1. the visible vapor and gases given off by a burning or smoldering substance, esp. the gray, brown, or blackish mixture of gases and suspended carbon particles resulting from the combustion of wood, peat, coal, or other organic matter.

So smoke is a visible gas. Air is a gas. So if the air is smokey it is still air. So if the smokey air is moving that is wind and that can be seen just as much as anything else we see in our daily lives.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by nigel5

Lets face it if you had an education you're practicaly brain washed.

---

So you admit you are uneducated huh.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by deist

So you admit you are uneducated huh.

---

I admit am brain washed... LOL

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by michealb

Well technically you can't see anything but photons. So you can't see your computer just the photons bouncing off of it or that it emits. That isn't how we think of vision as working in our everyday lives though. It's still makes me think the example is meant to overwhelm the logic of a 5 year old. A reasonable adult just thinks it's not a good analogy. I wouldn't even think that someone that believes in god would think that it would be a good analogy since we understand electricity and wind very well yet god you all say we are not suppose to understand.

---

Yes we only see light(photons) bouncing of objects.. and yes the definition of "sight" is ability to detect reflected light. And yes its not a good analogy.. but the argument was in that line of thought and I went along with it. In any case the naked eye cannot see electricity and air

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by nigel5

Yes we only see light(photons) bouncing of objects..and yes the definition of "sight" is ability to detect reflected light. And yes its not a gud analogy..but the argument was in that line of thought and i went along with it. In any case the naked eye cannot see electricity and air

---

We have other very effective senses, and touch can easily detect wind and electricity almost directly.

Question closed.

And a) as a sidenote and b) one of the reasons it's now closed: it was not a real question to begin with.

PS: deist, this is a public warning. Review the FAQ.