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  • May 3, 2009, 08:26 PM
    arcura
    Akoue,
    Thanks much for that.
    And...
    In my prayers after partaking of the Eucharist at Mass this morning I gave thanks to God for providing to me the ability via the Eucharist to become one with Him.
    Yes I do believe that a person can become God, that is one with God as Jesus mentioned becoming one with the Father.
    Peace and kindness,
    Fred
  • May 3, 2009, 08:29 PM
    Tj3
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    But that is NOT what he is referring to as "deification." Please read his very lucid definition.
    Now, a quote from Fred

    Quote:
    I do believe that a person can become God
    Your turn WG :D
  • May 3, 2009, 08:33 PM
    Wondergirl

    In Post #259, Akoue very nicely explained what "deification" is.

    In Post #261 you said --

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tj3
    Ever heard of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit? God remains God, man remain man. It does not make man God.

    To claim that this suggests that man becomes gods or God is a major stretch.
    Akoue did NOT make that claim. Fred did, but Akoue didn't.
  • May 3, 2009, 08:34 PM
    Tj3
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    In Post #256, Akoue very nicely explained what "deification" is.

    In Post #261 you said --


    Akoue did NOT make that claim. Fred did, but Akoue didn't.
    It does not matter. You are not talking definitions, but the opinions of two people. I quoted from the official doctrine of the Roman Catholic denomination.
  • May 3, 2009, 08:36 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tj3 View Post
    It does not matter. You are not talking definitions, but the opinions of two people. I quoted from the official doctrine of the Roman Catholic denomination.
    Why did you do that?
  • May 3, 2009, 08:37 PM
    Tj3
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    Why did you do that?
    Post 276
  • May 3, 2009, 08:37 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tj3 View Post
    Post 276
    WHY, not where.
  • May 3, 2009, 08:38 PM
    Tj3
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    WHY, not where.
    Post 276 tells you why. Trying reading what I post for a change!
  • May 3, 2009, 08:42 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tj3 View Post
    Post 276 tells you why. Trying reading what I post for a change!
    That didn't tell me anything. Why did you bother to look that up? It has nothing at all to do with deification as Akoue was using the term. Adam yes, but Akoue, no.
  • May 3, 2009, 08:47 PM
    Tj3
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    That didn't tell me anything. Why did you bother to look that up? It has nothing at all to do with deification as Akoue was using the term. Adam yes, but Akoue, no.
    Again, try reading the posts.

    Akoue responded to Article 460. That was what he first responded to. I explained why in that post where I summarized for you what happened, but despite the fact that you have been pointed to it serveral times, you apparently don't care enough to read what happened.

    You are wasting time when you won't read the posts it has to be explained to you afterward.
  • May 3, 2009, 08:54 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tj3 View Post
    Again, try reading the posts.

    Akoue responded to Article 460. That was what he first responded to. I explained why in that post where I summarized for you what happened, but despite the fact that you have been pointed to it serveral times, you apparently don;t care enough to read what happened.

    You are wasting time when you won't read the posts it has to be explained to you afterward.
    No. YOU have it wrong. I've read it from the get-go. And again and again and again.

    You do not understand deification.
  • May 3, 2009, 08:57 PM
    Tj3
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    No. YOU have it wrong. I've read it from the get-go. And again and again and again.
    Then you would not be so confused about what role article 460 had in the discussion.

    Quote:
    You do not understand deification.
    Show me the dictionary definition that you are using.
  • May 3, 2009, 09:06 PM
    arcura
    Wondergirl,
    I agree with Akoue and Jesus about deification.
    Fred
  • May 3, 2009, 09:09 PM
    Tj3
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by arcura View Post
    Wondergirl,
    I agree with Akoue and Jesus about deification.
    Fred
    You cannot agree with both. Scripture opposes the belief that men become gods and God.
  • May 3, 2009, 09:29 PM
    arcura
    Tj3,
    I can agree with both and I have done so.
    Fred
  • May 3, 2009, 09:33 PM
    Tj3
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by arcura View Post
    Tj3,
    I can agree with both and I have done so.
    Fred
    You have to choose. Scripture says not to exalt man.
  • May 3, 2009, 09:38 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:
    Show me the dictionary definition that you are using.
    Akoue's definition.
  • May 3, 2009, 09:45 PM
    Tj3
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    Akoue's definition.
    Akoue is not a dictionary, so you are tying your definition to Akoue's opinion.
  • May 3, 2009, 09:51 PM
    arcura
    Tj3,
    Please DO NOT try to tell me what I can or can not do.
    I will do as I think best, definitely not what you do.
    Fred
  • May 3, 2009, 09:54 PM
    Tj3
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by arcura View Post
    Tj3,
    Please DO NOT try to tell me what I can or can not do.
    I will do as I think best, definitely not what you do.
    Fred
    Do as you wish Fred. I am just saying that you cannot hold to two different mutually exclusive positions at the same time. It is not me allowing or disallowing - it is reality.

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