Could it be, that Joseph was Jesus Father???
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Could it be, that Joseph was Jesus Father???
Nope. God was Jesus' father. Mary was a virgin when she got pregnant with Jesus.Quote:
Originally Posted by waltero
Sorry, you are in error (Has to do with adoption- you don't want to understand). No use in trying to explain it to you. As they say, "you can't teach an old Lady knew tricks.Quote:
Could it be, that Joseph was Jesus Father???
Nope.
Why do you think King David Was a man after God's own heart, why did he love God's Law with such zeal and admiration? Since heaven and earth continue to exist, the law remains unchanged and will continue to be in effect.
We are to have a relationship With Jesus, we are to Love God with all our heart, soul, mind and strength/
It's as if we can't have a relationship with GOD, our relationship is with Jesus. Yes, I get that...Jesus is GOD ;-)
Joseph was not Jesus' natural father. Yes, Joseph "adopted" Jesus and was His earthly father.Quote:
Originally Posted by waltero
I have absolutely no idea what point you're trying to make.Quote:
Originally Posted by waltero
Look at adoption in the eyes of a Jewish family. UNDERSTANDING OUR ADOPTION. The importance of adoption “The notion that we are children of God, His own sons and daughters… is the mainspring of Christian living… Our sonship to God is the apex of Creation and the goal of redemption.”
We are to have a relationship With Jesus, we are to Love God with all our heart, soul, mind and strength/
It's as if we can't have a relationship with GOD, our relationship is with Jesus. Yes, I get that...Jesus is GOD ;-)
Then why do you even try to explain the Trinity (something you yourself can't understand- certainly can't explain it!).Quote:
Simple yes or no question? You feel the need to have them understand the Trinity, same as you 'might' understand it (why can't you let it go)?.
All they need to understand is that God loves them and forgives them because of Jesus' sacrifice on the cross.
Every time somebody tries to speak Jesus, the "Man", you continually interject- "Trinity, TRINITY, Hey guys, You can't forget the Trinity,- Jesus is not a man he is GOD!" You might want to think about this. When somebody tells you that Jesus is The Son of GOD, not God(all true...true to them), just let it go...that's understanding the Trinity (believing Jesus is "The man", the main man of God). Says something about why God had to bring Paul back home, many people would have become followers of Paul.
Not real sure where you're trying to go with this one, Walter. WG is entirely correct in her response.Quote:
Sorry, you are in error (Has to do with adoption- you don't want to understand). No use in trying to explain it to you. As they say, "you can't teach an old Lady knew tricks.
30 But the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary; you have found favor with God. 31 You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to call him Jesus. 32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, 33 and he will reign over Jacob’s descendants forever; his kingdom will never end.”
34 “How will this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?”
35 The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.
Joseph's linage: that of King David...Not Adam.
Adopted Son...Joseph was a father none the less.
We are to have a relationship With Jesus, we are to Love God with all our heart, soul, mind and strength/
It's as if we can't have a relationship with GOD, our relationship is with Jesus. Yes, I get that...Jesus is GOD ;-)
Then why do you even try to explain the Trinity (something you yourself can't understand- certainly can't explain it!).
Every time somebody tries to speak Jesus, the "Man", you continually interject- "Trinity, TRINITY, Hey guys, You can't forget the Trinity,- Jesus is not a man he is GOD!" You might want to think about this. When somebody tells you that Jesus is The Son of GOD, not God(all true...true to them), just let it go...that's understanding the Trinity (believing Jesus is "The man", the main man of God)
Why is this such a huge concern for you?Quote:
Originally Posted by waltero
UNDERSTANDING OUR ADOPTION. The importance of adoptionQuote:
Joseph was a father none the less.
That of King David...Not Adam.Quote:
Why is this such a huge concern for you?
Why is this such a huge concern for you? Jesus Is 100% man. Get it? You won't.Quote:
Then why do you even try to explain the Trinity (something you yourself can't understand- certainly can't explain it!).
Every time somebody tries to speak Jesus, the "Man", you continually interject- "Trinity, TRINITY, Hey guys, You can't forget the Trinity,- Jesus is not a man he is GOD!" You might want to think about this. When somebody tells you that Jesus is The Son of GOD, not God(all true...true to them), just let it go...that's understanding the Trinity (believing Jesus is "The man", the main man of God)
As I said before, "Luke, a doctor, connects Jesus’ humanity all the way back to the first man, Adam."Quote:
Originally Posted by waltero
The Genealogy of Jesus, Luke 3
23 Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. He was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph, the son of Heli, 24 the son of Matthat, the son of Levi, the son of Melki, the son of Jannai, the son of Joseph, 25 the son of Mattathias, the son of Amos, the son of Nahum, the son of Esli, the son of Naggai, 26 the son of Maath, the son of Mattathias, the son of Semein, the son of Josek, the son of Joda, 27 the son of Joanan, the son of Rhesa, the son of Zerubbabel, the son of Shealtiel, the son of Neri, 28 the son of Melki, the son of Addi, the son of Cosam, the son of Elmadam, the son of Er, 29 the son of Joshua, the son of Eliezer, the son of Jorim, the son of Matthat, the son of Levi, 30 the son of Simeon, the son of Judah, the son of Joseph, the son of Jonam, the son of Eliakim, 31 the son of Melea, the son of Menna, the son of Mattatha, the son of Nathan, the son of David, 32 the son of Jesse, the son of Obed, the son of Boaz, the son of Salmon,[4] the son of Nahshon, 33 the son of Amminadab, the son of Ram,[5]the son of Hezron, the son of Perez, the son of Judah, 34 the son of Jacob, the son of Isaac, the son of Abraham, the son of Terah, the son of Nahor, 35 the son of Serug, the son of Reu, the son of Peleg, the son of Eber, the son of Shelah, 36 the son of Cainan, the son of Arphaxad, the son of Shem, the son of Noah, the son of Lamech, 37 the son of Methuselah, the son of Enoch, the son of Jared, the son of Mahalalel, the son of Kenan, 38 the son of Enosh, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.
Are you saying Jesus is not God, that he was Joseph's son?Quote:
Jesus Is 100% man. Get it? You won't.
So there you have it. Jesus is 100% man, only knowing the Man Jesus...you said it.Quote:
For human understanding, He was 100% man AND 100% God when he was here on earth.
Can a person come to know Jesus, as King and savior of the World, 'the Man'? Knowing GOD, while not understanding the Trinity?
Of course!
I'd say you have the 100% God down. you're not taking into consideration the 100% man.Quote:
Every time somebody tries to speak Jesus, the "Man", you continually interject- "Trinity, TRINITY
Our fathers are reversed. God is our father just the same as Joseph was Jesus Father.Quote:
The importance of adoption
God came down to Earth, Jesus ascended into heaven. Your fallacy is the fact that you have an immediate desire to speak of Jesus the GOD, every time Jesus the Man is mentioned. There is no real need, Specially when somebody believes in Jesus as only a Man, savior King. What Forces you to understand solely on the fact that Jesus is GOD?
On earth, Jesus was 100% man and 100% God. In heaven, Jesus is 100% man and 100% God.Quote:
Originally Posted by waltero
That was put in, He was the son of Joseph, and It will tell you that in any translation. The importance of adoption “The notion that we are children of God, His own sons and daughters…Our sonship to God is the apex of Creation. There is meaning in Joseph being his Father, Much the same way God being our Father.Quote:
He was the son, (so it was thought,) of Joseph
UNDERSTANDING OUR ADOPTION. I'm thinking the story of Ruth (kinsman redeemer etc.) , but We don't need to go into that right now.Quote:
Why is this such a huge concern for you
200%? that's the same as saying they are both 50-50. If you can't understand that Jesus is 100% GOD while retaining 100% man at the same time. If you are able to agree (clearly not you) with somebody who believes Jesus is 100% man, Singly, you will understand the Trinity. If you don't Believe Jesus Is 100% man, (not GOD,- he became Sin) you are taking away from the Sacrifice GOD has made.Quote:
He was 100% man AND 100% God
All started when I said; He doesn't tell us to have a relationship with him, God tells us to love him. "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind." This is the first and greatest commandment. We see in "that book" that we show love for God by obeying his commands. "If you love me, you will keep my commandments.Quote:
We are to have a relationship With Jesus, but, we are to Love God with all our heart, soul, mind and strength/ It's as if we can't have a relationship with GOD (hmm, wonder why), our relationship is with Jesus. Yes, I get that...Jesus is GOD ;-)
Trying to explain something that I see, doing it on the fly is no good.
I didn't have time to go into detail right now. Maybe "later." But I don't think it will happen. You are locked into your own understanding...same as the rest of us.
waltero wrote:
[He was the son, (so it was thought,) of Joseph]
Hold on, pardner. You're gonna have to justify that statement, because there is no evidence to back it up. There are no variants in the manuscript tradition and to my knowledge, no scholar has ever questioned it.Quote:
That was put in,
Evidence, please?
Joseph didn't "adopt" anybody. There was no ceremony, no documents, no agreement, nothing. As it says, he let people assume he was Jesus' father, and that he and Mary just got a little carried away too early. It wasn't a crime, or even a shame. It was a little embarrassing, nothing more.
I really wonder where you're getting this stuff, because your sources are terrible.
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[He was the son, (so it was thought,) of Joseph]
I'm glad you asked that. I saw it myself but I guess it just didn't register enough. It's a strange comment.Quote:
Hold on, pardner. You're gonna have to justify that statement, because there is no evidence to back it up. There are no variants in the manuscript tradition and to my knowledge, no scholar has ever questioned it.
WalterO has not posted recently so I don't know if he is still active here.
[LUKE] Mary’s genealogy; not Joseph’s. And by the way, when verse 23 says that Joseph was the son of Heli, the words, ‘son of’ are not there in the Greek. They should be italicized in your Bible, unless you have the NIV, which shows that they were added by the translators, but they are not really in the Greek.
So, Jesus was born of the virgin Mary, which in this genealogy means that Jesus was the supposed son of Joseph, not biologically, but legally.
If you don't Believe Jesus Is 100% man you Diminish the Sacrifice GOD has made. Christ had to be fully human in order to die, pay for our sins, and redeem us. Jesus is Man/Jesus is God- one need not dilute the other. Example: Jesus is 100 man...Always to be followed by (somebody who lacks understanding); And...And He is 100% God. Overemphasize one over the other?
Royal lineage was always passed down through the father.Quote:
The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, 33 and he will reign over Jacob’s descendants forever; his kingdom will never end.”
There were some in Luke’s day who believed the salvation was only for the Jews.But here in Luke 3, the genealogy goes all the way back to Adam the father of all, rather than just back to Abraham, the father of the Jews. Jesus came for Jews and Gentiles alike (cf. Luke 2:32). We see at the end of the genealogy that in Adam, mankind had a beginning, through the creation of God. But in Jesus Christ, we have a new beginning, through the re-creation and regeneration of God.
Are both true of you? Are you related to God, not only physically, but also spiritually?
And He is 100% God. Fully man and fully God.Quote:
Originally Posted by waltero
Col. 2:9, For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily.
More verses listed in:
https://www.openbible.info/topics/je..._man_fully_god
(To JL, my contribution of proof passages and cherrypicking galore!)
Proof passages are not even close to being the same concept as cherry-picking. I think I understand your problem now.Quote:
(To JL, my contribution of proof passages and cherrypicking galore!)
One desperately searches for and chooses ("cherrypicks") proof passages. The two terms are not synonymous. One is a verb and one is a plural noun that has an adjective.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Yes, I totally understand your need. I lived in that world for many years.
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And He is 100%, God. Fully man and fully God.
@Wondergirl:Quote:
Aren't you missing something? The Son of man has been mentioned how many times?
You're speaking as if - GOD sacrifice Himself to Himself.
The fact that you (continually...every time "the Son of Man" is mentioned) Overemphasize one over the other...You miss the connection entirely.
@dwashbur:Quote:
He was the son, (so it was thought,) of Joseph
Luke is giving the Lineage of Mary.Quote:
Hold on, pardner. You're gonna have to justify that statement
Joseph was the legal father of Jesus. If you don't believe it, look in the book of Ruth.Quote:
Joseph didn't "adopt" anybody.
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