I'm not sure what your point is. I never disagreed with your post. The issue was a statement that all fiction is fiction and there are no "levels". DW disagreed with that and I was supporting his position.

DW is incorrect ("Historical novels may or may not include fictional elements.") Historical novels ALWAYS include fictional elements. That's why they are shelved in the fiction collection, not in the 900s.

I was referring to this comment by DW. "And you're mistaken about fiction, as any historical novel proves." He was responding to the idea that fiction has no "levels".

Fiction has no levels.

We just established it does. Starwars is a great deal more fictional than All Quiet on the Western Front.

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We just established it does. Starwars is a great deal more fictional than All Quiet on the Western Front.

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All Quiet is not fiction; it's historical fiction.

Name other fiction "levels".

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All Quiet is not fiction; it's historical fiction.

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Correct. Its a different "level" of fiction. Thank you for establishing that. "Fiction is fiction" is not a correct statement.

There are no "levels". They are called genres, categories.

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Some are entirely based on fiction. Others are only partly so. It is plainly levels.

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Some are entirely based on fiction. Others are only partly so. It is plainly levels.

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Nope. I'm traditionally published and a librarian. NEVER have I heard the term "fiction levels".

But the concept is plain and clear. Some books just are plainly more fictional than others. Good grief.

BTW, no one has suggested that "levels" is a term. It is the concept that is being discussed.

There is no such word -- or concept -- in fiction writing or reading.

It's pretty clear.

Only to you.

To anyone who actually thinks about it, it's very clear. To those who only want to argue, it's not. But you are welcome to your ideas. That's fine.

Ask any librarian. Ask any fiction author. Yes, you are welcome to your ideas. Free country and all.

Ask anyone who wants to think a little.

...just a little.

Yep. That's all it takes. Kind of amazing. It's like asking if there are degrees of beauty, hate, love, wisdom, stupidity, immorality, and a thousand other subjects which are clearly capable of being less or more. Sorry, but fiction is plainly one of them.

Now you're talking "degrees," not "levels".