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Then waltero continued with:

***The adjective- "unconditional love" can mean a whole lot of different things...it is nonjudgmental. Example: You should be like the God you preach, God's love is unconditional, he loves everybody just as they are...therefore you shouldn't raise any problems about christening our baby, gay marriage, etc. That is how that phrase comes across to unbelievers.

God's love is unconditional, which means he does not judge people, he loves them just as they are so come to him just as you are...what about repentance??? Isn't repentance the First step when coming to God?***

Yes, and I also indicated that Preaching God's Love to unbelievers is like casting pearls among Swine...They don't understand or know God's love.

In preaching the love of God, especially unconditionally to unbelievers, are we in fact doing what the Lord wanted us to do?

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Originally Posted by waltero

Yes, and I also indicated that Preaching God's Love to unbelievers is like casting pearls among Swine...They don't understand or know God's love.

Nor did we understand. What changes the human heart?

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Thank you for providing the evidence of your own deception! You claimed I wrote, "I) would belittle any answer (you) would come up with". Anyone looking at the quote below can clearly see I did not. Case closed by your own evidence.

Jl, I know you have difficulty understanding the written word, but this is ridiculous. To keep repeating your failure to understand is pretty pathetic. I will repeat what you wrote and which you claim does not show you belittling my post on talking serpents.

"I'm asking about the resurrection to point out that believing in that event while belittling the serpent in Genesis 3 strikes me as strange ."

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This is so funny.

What is funny - more sad than funny - is you contradicting your own words even when they're quoted for you.

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It's all there except for these words. "would, belittle, any, answer, come, up, with" I mean other than those seven words, which is nearly ALL OF THEM, your quote is exactly right! It just doesn't get any funnier than this.

Jl, I left this part in so others can see your confusion. I'm becoming uncomfortable pointing out your mental frailties but when you keep repeating the same thing over and over, you leave me no choice.

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God's love is unconditional, which means he does not judge people, he loves them just as they are so come to him just as you are...what about repentance??? Isn't repentance the First step when coming to God?***

Why should people repent when God loves them just as they are?

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Jl, I know you have difficulty understanding the written word, but this is ridiculous. To keep repeating your failure to understand is pretty pathetic. I will repeat what you wrote and which you claim does not show you belittling my post on talking serpents.

"I'm asking about the resurrection to point out that believing in that event while belittling the serpent in Genesis 3 strikes me as strange ."

Naw. You're toast. Everyone can see that I did not say what you claimed I said. Everyone can see you don't understand quotes. It's over. Try honesty next time. If you claim I wrote, "(I) would belittle any answer (you) would come up with," then you need to find some place where I said those words. That you clearly don't understand that explains a lot of your problems. It is a weird as me claiming you said, "JL knows a lot more about quotations than I do." Now that's evidently true, but you never said that so I wouldn't post it.

Now if you want to say I MEANT that, then we can discuss it, but those were not my words or my quote.

I just can't get over you posting the conclusive evidence of your own deceit or, more likely, lack of understanding of how quotations work. Unbelievable!! And then reposting it! I've seen some wild things in my life, but you take the cake with that. I'm all for you and hope you do well, but this is like a man saying that black is white and then refusing to back off of it.

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Why should people repent when God loves them just as they are?

Exactly!

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Why should people repent when God loves them just as they are?

I had asked you, do you love your children unconditionally? If yes, then why did they repent (say "I'm sorry") to you after doing something bad?

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Naw, you're toast. Everyone can see that I did not say what you claimed I said. Everyone can see you don't understand quotes. It's over. Try honesty next time.

I just can't get over you posting the conclusive evidence of your own deceit. Unbelievable!!

"Everyone" can make their own decision reading your words. That's fine with me.

You're getting a bit hysterical with your words about me - "lack of honesty", "don't understand", "deceit", "Unbelievable!". All that is a dead giveaway.

"The Lady doth protest too much!"

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

but those were not my words or my quote.

Case closed.

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"Everyone" can make their own decision reading your words. That's fine with me.

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You're getting a bit hysterical with your words about me - "lack of honesty", "don't understand", "deceit", "Unbelievable!". All that is a dead giveaway.

Now you're catching on with those quotation marks. Much better, my friend. There is hope for you. Makes me just downright proud of you.

As to admitting to mistakes? Well, you have a ways to go there. We'll keep working on it.

Oh wait! I wrote too soon. You do see it now!!

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but those were not my words or my quote.

Case closed.

We can take that as an admission of a mistake. Much better.

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I had asked you, do you love your children unconditionally? If yes, then why did they repent (say "I'm sorry") to you after doing something bad?

To restore fellowship.

Now my question. Are all children in your family, or just some children? And please give a serious answer.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Well done, Athos! You seem to now understand quotation marks.

This is what Jl is referring to

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but those were not my words or my quote.

Case closed.

The reference is to Jl's words/quote, not mine. A good example of his dissembling - even in the face of so much contrary information publicly posted in this thread.

This is why I'm feeling so uncomfortable about him. He digs it deeper and deeper with each post. I wish he would stop, so I could stop.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

To restore fellowship.

If a neighbor's kid or your child's school friend did something bad to you or on your property, and said "I'm sorry", would fellowship be restored?

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Now my question. Are all children in your family, or just some children? And please give a serious answer.

All children -- and adults -- are in God's family and in mine.

You did not answer my question. I answered yours, but you bailed out. It just reminds me of how much I hate trying to have a discussion with you. If your beliefs get challenged, you just run to some other subject. Give an honest answer or talk with someone else.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

You did not answer my question. I answered yours, but you bailed out. It just reminds me of how much I hate trying to have a discussion with you. If your beliefs get challenged, you just run to some other subject. Talk with someone else.

Look again.

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All children -- and adults -- are in God's family and in mine.

Neither answer is true. Your own children have privileges other children do not have. They live in your house. You are responsible for their clothing, school, food, and so forth. They have your name. They will inherit your wealth.

The answer is "no" and you know it. If all children and adults are in your family, then why aren't you housing, feeding, and clothing all of them? Are they in your will? Do they sleep in your house? Did you send them through college? Your answer is an attempt to sound noble, but is in no way true. I'm sure you try to care for many of them, but they are not in your family.

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The reference is to Jl's words/quote, not mine. A good example of his dissembling - even in the face of so much contrary information publicly posted in this thread.

This is why I'm feeling so uncomfortable about him. He digs it deeper and deeper with each post. I wish he would stop, so I could stop.

Yes. Case closed since, as you admitted and pointed out, the words you posted were not mine.

You got my hopes for you up and then squashed them. But I still have hope for you. You did manage to use quotation marks successfully on one occasion ("lack of honesty", "don't understand", "deceit", "Unbelievable!"), so I have hope you can do it again.

At any rate, your quote of me was a deceitful mess and you got caught in it. Get over it and move on.

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Allegory of Jonah

Does an allegory write a song?

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Neither answer is true. Your own children have privileges other children do not have. They live in your house. You are responsible for their clothing, school, food, and so forth. They have your name. They will inherit your wealth.

You have absolutely NO idea of how I'm spending my inherited (from my son) wealth and my influence to help as many adults and children as possible. My surviving son is almost 51 and doesn't have my name nor will he inherit wealth from me.

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Originally Posted by waltero

Does an allegory write a song?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SlQVF3gnPdg

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You have absolutely NO idea of how I'm spending my inherited (from my son) wealth and my influence to help as many adults and children as possible. My surviving son is almost 51 and doesn't have my name nor will he inherit wealth from me.

I have no idea where your wealth came from and don't care. I do know that you will not go out and pick out the next twenty strangers you come across and put them in your will. Your family benefits from...being your family in many ways that strangers don't. And I can hardly believe we are even having such a discussion as this. The truth it is very plain.

I do know this. You do not receive the benefits from being in God's family until you get in that family, and you get in that family by trusting Christ. Either that, or WG knows more than the Apostle John did. John 1:12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Your family benefits from...being your family in many ways that strangers don't.

Yeah, my husband and son get to push my wheelchair when I leave the house for a hematologist visit.

Yes. You benefit from being in your family. You don't go out to the street and try to enlist a stranger to do it. My wife benefits me in many ways. We benefit our children in many ways. We are helpful to strangers as well, and to other Christian brethren, but my wife does not fix them supper every night.

What are you so mad about?

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

What are you so mad about?

Huh? I never get mad. Never have, never will.

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Does an allegory write a song?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SlQVF3gnPdg

Where do we come to the understanding that Jonah was dead while inside the belly of the whale?

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Originally Posted by waltero

Where do we come to the understanding that Jonah was dead while inside the belly of the whale?

It's an allegory, reflecting Jesus' being dead for three days in the tomb and being resurrected on the third day. (Do you understand the activity of the hydrochloric acid in a great fish's stomach, and the lack of oxygen?)

Most People Don't know that Jonah (literally)Died (while in the belly of the Fish)?
If not for psalms we could assume he was alive the entire time.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Yes. Case closed since, as you admitted and pointed out, the words you posted were not mine.

At any rate, your quote of me was a deceitful mess and you got caught in it. Get over it and move on.

Here is the quote - AGAIN!

"I'm asking about the resurrection to point out that believing in that event while belittling the serpent in Genesis 3 strikes me as strange ."

These are Jl's words - lifted direct from his post #366. The deceit is all Jl's. He wants me to get over it and move on.

A talking reptile would be less deceitful than Jl. At least, the reptile would exhibit intelligence.

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A talking reptile

I'm sure this has been already brought up? What about the talking Donkey?
Or is that another one of your allegories?

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Here is the quote - AGAIN!

"I'm asking about the resurrection to point out that believing in that event while belittling the serpent in Genesis 3 strikes me as strange ."

These are Jl's words - lifted direct from his post #366. The deceit is all Jl's. He wants me to get over it and move on.

And once again, the quote you attributed to me ("(I) would belittle any answer (you) would come up with".) is not in there. But this will help you. It is a site that explains the concept of direct quotations. I suggest you read it several times because you REALLY need to. It will help you to stop making a public fool of yourself. I'm really surprised WG, the grammar expert (I guess) has not stepped in to rescue you. Good grief you sure need it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quotation_mark

Now should you reach the place where you can show in that paragraph any place I said, "(I) would belittle any answer (you) would come up with," then we can pick this back up. Until then I am done with arguing about a concept my fourth graders understood. And I am very sure that any person reading this will come to the same conclusion.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Now should you reach the place where you can show in that paragraph any place I said, "(I) would belittle any answer (you) would come up with," then we can pick this back up. Until then I am done with arguing about a concept my fourth graders understood.

Here is your quote, word for word:

"I'm asking about the resurrection to point out that believing in that event while belittling the serpent in Genesis 3 strikes me as strange ."

No matter what nonsense you post, you can't get away from the fact these are YOUR words. As was said elsewhere, you are simply playing games with words in a desperate attempt to deny what you said.

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And I am very sure that any person reading this will come to the same conclusion.

Of course, they will. You can't undo what has been done - see the last paragraph in your post # 366.

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"I'm asking about the resurrection to point out that believing in that event while belittling the serpent in Genesis 3 strikes me as strange ."

No matter what nonsense you post, you can't get away from the fact these are YOUR words. As was said elsewhere, you are simply playing games with words in a desperate attempt to deny what you said.

I am happy to report you have finally figured quotes out. You have stopped insisting that these are my words ((I) would belittle any answer (you) would come up with,") and figured out what my words really were. I feel as though we've had a minor victory in your education. Now that is not, of course, what you were insisting upon for the past few days. This is what we had then.

In your own words - "...(I) would belittle any answer (you) would come up with". It's in post 371 if anyone wants to check it out. Now that was outrageous on the face of it since you had to supply "I" and "you" to complete my supposed quote. But now you have at least posted what I said to begin with. And in that quote, if you pay anything even approaching careful attention, you will note that I said YOU were the one doing the belittling. "...while belittling the serpent in Genesis 3..."

Whew!! I'm glad you finally learned that lesson. It's been a hard pull, but I think it's been worth it.

The serpent was a character in an allegory. The resurrection was the real deal.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

I am happy to report you have finally figured quotes out. You have stopped insisting that these are my words ((I) would belittle any answer (you) would come up with,") and figured out what my words really were. I feel as though we've had a minor victory in your education. Now that is not, of course, what you were insisting upon for the past few days. This is what we had then.

In your own words - "...(I) would belittle any answer (you) would come up with". It's in post 371 if anyone wants to check it out. Now that was outrageous on the face of it since you had to supply "I" and "you" to complete my supposed quote. But now you have at least posted what I said to begin with. And in that quote, if you pay anything even approaching careful attention, you will note that I said YOU were the one doing the belittling. "...while belittling the serpent in Genesis 3..."

Whew!! I'm glad you finally learned that lesson. It's been a hard pull, but I think it's been worth it.

Too funny for words!

Bottom line - Jl has admitted what he wrote. All's well that ends well.

And Athos has admitted that he made up the first quote he attributed to me. So yes, it has ended well. BTW, I never denied saying what you finally managed to figure out were my actual words. It was only the part where you said, "In your own words," but it was actually your made up words, including words you had to supply yourself in parenthesis, that I objected to. Now the real deal, where I said YOU were belittling a topic, was indeed mine, and I like it a lot!

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

And Athos has admitted that he made up the first quote he attributed to me.

I admitted nothing of the sort. In fact, I have been consistent from the start of this idiocy you practice so well.

The rest of your reply is the usual discombobulation, not worthy of a response.

You mean you’re not capable of one. Just when I think you are starting to understand quotations, you disappoint me again. It’s back to the fourth grade for, young fella! Can’t promote you until you get it!!

Study this very carefully. Test tomorrow!

https://www.thoughtco.com/direct-quotation-composition-1690461

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Study this very carefully. Test tomorrow!

Will you be covering talking reptiles? And a fictitious monstrosity of a God who creates people only to gleefully watch them burn in eternal pain and punishment?

No wonder the "God" you worship can't love unconditionally - what monster could?

You are wasting time! Study tonight. I hope to help you get to the place where you no longer publicly disgrace yourself in this manner. And trying to change the subject?? Looks really, really suspicious.

Remember now. Test tomorrow! Burn the midnight oil, young man.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Remember now. Test tomorrow!

No comment on talking reptiles? Or your monster "God"?

Are you finally feeling ashamed? Growing up? Good for you. Better late then never.

Study!! Test tomorrow, little fella. You want to end up in third grade??

Here are some study notes. I'm doing all I can to help you. It's one of the biggest challenges I've ever had, but I'm doing the best I can with you.

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A direct quotation is a report of the exact words of an author or speaker and is placed inside quotation marks in a written work. For example, Dr. King said, "I have a dream."

Now you know this by tomorrow.

Sample item. "If someone foolishly tries to represent this as a quote, "(I) would belittle any answer (you) would come up with," but then can't show where the quoted material occurred or can't explain why he had to supply words to make the supposed quote make sense, then can that person claim to understand anything at all about direct quotations?

a. Nope
b. Hardly
c. Nada
d. Nein
e. No way
f. All of the above

Not feeling good about your chances. Oh well. Good night, all.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

A direct quotation is a report of the exact words of an author or speaker and is placed inside quotation marks

You mean like this - "talking reptile"? Or, ""God"?

Are quotation marks now one of your many obsessions, "full of sound and fury, signifying nothing"?

Sample item. "If someone foolishly tries to represent this as a quote, "(I) would belittle any answer (you) would come up with," but then can't show where the quoted material occurred or can't explain why he had to supply words to make the supposed quote make sense, then can that person claim to understand anything at all about direct quotations?

a. Nope
b. Hardly
c. Nada
d. Nein
e. No way
f. All of the above

#2. If the person in the question above refuses to admit his error, then could his attempted deception be classified as a lie?

a. yes
b. yes
c. yes

#3. If the person in the question above attempts desperately to change the subject, would that show that he realized his error and is trying to run from it?

a. absolutely
b. absolutely
c. absolutely