Thus, you believe a schizophrenic man who murdered his wife and three children will go to hell? Especially if he's Muslim or Hindu or Jewish?

What's God's standard, His rating system, on the Last Day?

And He'll have over 117,000,000,000 people to judge, don't forget.

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A follow-up question: How then do you explain the millions who lived before Jesus and never heard of him? And the billions who lived since Jesus and never heard of him? Does Jesus' statement that he's the only way, and is crucial to reconciliation with God apply to those groups? Do they go to hell?

I'm sure you've heard this before and I anticipate your answer.

Another thought is: If they go to hell for not accepting Jesus/God, why did Jesus/God create them in the first place, knowing they would spend eternity in terrible suffering? Being omniscient, Jesus/God must have foreseen that they would be sinners or non-believers, but he created them anyway.

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Excellent points! I eagerly await comments and explanations.

Me too, but based on past experience, I don't think any will be forthcoming. I hope I'm wrong.

The people who are too fearful to answer even the most basic questions claim to want answers from DW. It's just too pathetic to describe.

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The people who are too fearful to answer even the most basic questions claim to want answers from DW. It's just too pathetic to describe.

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Ask me one basic question. Here. Now.

Happily, but I know you won't answer it. You'll dance around and parry, but you will not answer it. It's been put before you many times, and avoided many times. I'll reword it a bit to make it easier, but I have also included the original form that has been reposted (and run from) perhaps a dozen times, and completely avoided on every single occasion.

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"You say you've read it (the John 3 passage), but you have not accepted and loved and believed it. Do that first, and then we can talk more."

Or you can choose to reject it, but you need to make up your mind before we can continue.

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Reworded. Having read, as you claim, the John 3 passage that was quoted many moons ago, do you agree with its content, especially the portion that is underlined? I have posted it below to help.

16 “For hGod so loved ithe world,9 jthat he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not kperish but have eternal life. 17 For lGod did not send his Son into the world mto condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. 18 nWhoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not obelieved in the name of the only Son of God.

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The people who are too fearful to answer even the most basic questions....

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No lecture please. Ask me one basic question. (Subject. Predicate. Prepostional phrase. Subordinate clause. An adjective or two. One adverb is permitted.) Here. Now.

Yawn. For the second time in fifteen minutes.

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Having read, as you claim, the John 3 passage that was quoted many moons ago, do you agree with its content, especially the portion that is underlined? I have posted it below to help.

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You know that's not what I'm asking for.

Please ask in plain English.

I rest my case. It went exactly as I said it would. Never fails.

I will help you with my simple request by reviewing third-grade language arts with you, in particular, "What is a question?" and how to properly write one.

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i will help you with my simple request by reviewing third-grade language arts with you, in particular, "what is a question?" and how to properly write one.

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Lololol.

Evasion, thy name is "Wondergirl". I can put it no better than I did earlier. You always hold true to form.

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I know you won't answer it. You'll dance around and parry, but you will not answer it. It's been put before you many times, and avoided many times. I'll reword it a bit to make it easier, but I have also included the original form that has been reposted (and run from) perhaps a dozen times, and completely avoided on every single occasion.

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My my. You get nasty when you get exposed, don't you? "I will help you with my simple request by reviewing third-grade language arts with you, in particular, "What is a question?" and how to properly write one."

Strangely, I taught a number of third graders who could have understood that question.

The more I think about this, the more funny it becomes. You said, "Ask me one basic question. Here. Now," trying to appear big and bad. So I ask a question that most middle schoolers could have understood. But, as it turns out, it wasn't simple enough, and so the complaining started. "Oh! Oh! That question is not 'basic' enough! It is too complex, too complicated. I cannot understand such complex issues."

Please. I'm really not trying to be ugly, but I've never met anyone like the two of you who are so fearful of answering even the most basic, fundamental questions. It is truly mystifying to me. If I was that uncertain of my beliefs, I wouldn't post. I'd just read.

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I've never met anyone like the two of you who are so fearful of answering even the most basic, fundamental questions.

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The TWO of you?! How did I get in the middle of this brouhaha?

It ain't fear, Charley. You want to be in charge. All I'm asking for is that your question be asked more simply, more straightforwardly. No ruffles, twists, turns, subordinate clauses.

Examples:
How old is this planet we live on?
Do you believe in angels? Why or why not?

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It ain't fear, Charley. You want to be in charge. All I'm asking for is that your question be asked more simply, more straightforwardly. No ruffles, twists, turns, subordinate clauses.

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You don't even believe that. It's just a dodge. End of story.

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Reworded. Having read, as you claim, the John 3 passage that was quoted many moons ago, do you agree with its content, especially the portion that is underlined? I have posted it below to help.

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This is clearer:
Do you agree with the content of the John 3 passage, especially the portion that is underlined?

Here's another question:
Does a person born as a Muslim in the Middle East have the same opportunity for salvation as a person born in America?

Just to illustrate the siliness that goes on here, look at this comparison.

This is WG's "improved" version. "Do you agree with the content of the John 3 passage, especially the portion that is underlined?"

This is the relevant portion from my version. "...do you agree with its content, especially the portion that is underlined?"

Hmmm. At any rate, note that the question remains unanswered.