Are individual that walk in the spirit concerned, and alarmed sinners, or do they through the spirit destroy deeds of sin in their body, and fulfilled the righteousness of the law?

Romans 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.


So have we been told that those who are the called according to HIS purpose, are justified? Then who was Called?

And in all things we are more than conquerors through HIM that loved us! Then whom does He love?

We have been delivered and redeemed to be similar to the image of HIS Son? Then who can sin or be a sinner?

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Romans 8:1 There is therefore NOW no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Do you see a difference between having the "Spirit of Christ" in salvation, and being baptized in/with the Holy Ghost? Or do you see them as identical?

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Do you see a difference between having the "Spirit of Christ" in salvation, and being baptized in/with the Holy Ghost? Or do you see them as identical?

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I view baptism as scripture has wiritten, the flesh dead and buried with Christ. Having a good consciene toward God with the heart and mind in desire to HIS will being done. And I view so much more then the one baptism because we have One Lord, and One Faith as well.

full assurance ( Col 2:2 - Hbr 6:11 - Hbr 10:22)

I would not see them as identical..

Acts 2:4?

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Acts 2:4?

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Galatians 4:7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

Sndbay, This is the way I see it. "Having the Spirt of Christ". We are all spirit beings,
But we are conformed to this world and it's ways. We restore our self by pursuing
The Lord repenting and conforming to God' Spirits. Rom. 12:1&2, "I beseech you therefor, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice,
holy, acceptable to God, witch is your reasonable service. 2, And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind."Doing bible things,
Bible ways. I believe Paul is saying we bring ourself before God each day, lay them on the altar before God, and ask Him to use us as sacrifice for His glory and good of His
People. And God wants us to depend on His Spirit to be transformed into people
Who love to please God through willing obediece. That transformation begins with the mind."
We will behave like a Christian, if we walk in the Spirt of God. Rom. 12: 9-21
We will also love our neighbor and live by the Law of Love. This is a part of living
In the Spirt of God.

Blessings , Maggie 3

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Sndbay, This is the way I see it. "Having the Spirt of Christ". We are all spirit beings, but we are conformed to this world and it's ways. We restore our self by pursuing the Lord repenting and conforming to God' Spirits. Rom. 12:1&2, "I beseech you therefor, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, witch is your reasonable service. 2, And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind."Doing bible things, bible ways. I believe Paul is saying we bring ourself befor God each day, lay them on the altar before God, and ask Him to use us as sacrifice for His glory and good of His people. And God wants us to depend on His Spirit to be transformed into people
who love to please God through willing obediece. That transformation begins with the mind."
We will behave like a Christian, if we walk in the Spirt of God. Rom. 12: 9-21
We will also love our neighbor and live by the Law of Love. This is a part of living
in the Spirt of God.

Blessings , Maggie 3

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Maggie,
I appreciate your thoughts, and with all love and faith in Christ, I will example where it is not identical but similar to what Romans 8 has offered to the thread. What I view is how we can arrive at the fulness of Christ that is given by a measure of stature to bring us unitied with Christ as a perfect man walking in the spirit as one with Christ. Christ prayed for this (John 17:11)

In (Romans 12) which you offered, it is as you said. To be conformed to this world means those that are exampled as refer: (James 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? Whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God)

Contrarily do not conform to the world, But refer: (James 4:8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded)

The verses in (Romans 12) goes on to say how in two different ways the members of the one body are gifted or dealt ("according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith" 12:3) or ( gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us 12:6)
So by our faith or by grace, God gives us accordlingly, "HOWEVER" none being the same, but each are different. (THIS IS WHY IT IS NOT IDENTICAL TO ROMANS 8)

I agree that the renewed mind is one that holds good conscience towards doing the will of GOD. And this is a sufficient measure of gift which we are told can be shown in One Baptism.

NOW go further to question the fulness of measure in Christ (Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ)

I view that they are not of this world or conformed to it ( John 17:15-16 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. ) (John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me)

NOW the fulness of Christ, having the Spirit of Christ refer: (Romans 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live)

To mortify the deeds is to destroy the deeds of the flesh. So the first question on the thread = do they through the spirit destroy deeds of sin in their body, and fulfilled the righteousness of the law? YES, and it is no easy cross to bear

Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Galations 4:7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

HOWEVER refer again: Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Thank you Sndbay, I am in a study on "spirituality", being restored by "Walking in the
Spirit" and conformed to God's Spirit. This is a very good study, and not easy, it is a slow
Study and I am learning. I do believe I walk in the Spirit of God at times, and Hope I get to the point where it is all the time. I am studying with a Dr. Mcdonald at oru. He is on
God's Learning Channel. He is on three times a week. A new lesson each week so I
Can hear the same lesson three times. It is hard for me to type what Ihave learned,
But it is a must study for the fullness of God.

Blessing, Maggie 3

Keep in mind that one of the ministries of the Holy Spirit is that of Teacher.

The Bible cannot be properly understood without the help of the Holy Spirit.

2 Cor 3:6
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
(KJV)

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Keep in mind that one of the ministries of the Holy Spirit is that of Teacher.

The Bible cannot be properly understood without the help of the Holy Spirit.

2 Cor 3:6
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
(KJV)

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There is no doubt of this... This thread has been refer as being through the Spirit

Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

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Galveston,

What I view in awareness by these question on the thread, and in chapter 8 of Romans, is that (today) the ministries of teaching, have neglected to teach beyond principle doctrine of Christ. (KNOWN as MILK) I trust they try to push and maybe demand discipline, by the principle doctrine of Christ.

Leaving it be, that only those who God has dealt able and ready to take on more can be gifted with this fulness in Christ.

(Hebrews 6:1) speaks of how individuals can go beyond into perfection. And I view no other perfection to be possible except through the Spirit of Christ that can dwell within you. And as the scripture says not laying again the foundation of repentance that is needed in dead works or dead faith in God.
This full assurance, full faith, and fulness of Christ is permitted only by God that reveals in accorance to HIS will.
Even (Hebrew 6:4-6) says those who have gone beyond to this full faith and fulness of Christ can not be renewed should they fall away from this perfection.
A good example of this full faith and fulness in Christ was spoken of in (Act 6:3) A fulness of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, a man full of faith and of the Holy Ghost.

Roman 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

Are there so few that understand, if we walk having the Spirit of Christ, this walk is done through the full Spirit of Christ in righteousness because the flesh body is dead ( as spoken of in baptism) dead with Christ and dead to sin? The newness of nature is good conscience toward God and willing to do HIS Will and denying himself the lust of the body to follow the law of Faith (Phl 3:9)
(Romans 8:2 For the " Law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus" hath made me free from the law of sin and death)


HE also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of HIS Son

I agree very much with Maggie on this.
Not to say we are Christian but by proving it by being a Christian and doing as Maggie posted.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

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I agree very much with Maggie on this.
Not to say we are Christian but by proving it by being a Christian and doing as Maggie posted.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

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So your answer to the threads questions are YES to all?

Refer the threads questions:

1. Are individual that walk in the spirit concerned, and alarmed sinners? [or] Do they through the spirit destroy deeds of sin in their body, and fulfilled the righteousness of the law?

2. So have we been told that those who are the called according to HIS purpose, are justified?

3. And in all things we are more than conquerors through HIM that loved us?

4. We have been delivered and redeemed to be similar to the image of HIS Son?

Fred, I thought the Catholic church taught that we are all sinner, and such are, under the law and in hope of God's grace. They also teach that you are held accountable to sin, and not purified don't they? That is why you follow the teaching of Purgatory, a condition or process of purification in which the souls of those who die in a state of grace are made ready for heaven.

There is a difference in what Chapter 8 of Romans is saying from what the Catholic church teaches.

You see we were indeed set free from sin,(no bondage to sin)= (liberty in choice to live righteously and without sin) and it would impliment the consistence of God saying all men were called to be clean, and as Peter spoke of in Acts 10:28, none should be called unclean or common. (WE ARE CLEAN by THE BLOOD of CHRIST)

Not judging your fellow man because God gives each in accordance to HIS Will (thus if you judge man you are actually putting judgement on God's Will) The course of life in each is built and nutured by God by influences and conditions that God hands us. In the final fullness of FAITH we can arrive as the new nature leaving the old behind, not to look back at the mistakes of sin, but washed in One Baptism to walk in the Spirit. (CONFESSED FAITH in CHRIST JESUS UPON BAPTISM)

This is where the predestinate to be conformed to the image of HIS Son has been spoken in truth. This is the hope that each would hold in their heart. Remaing stedfast in HIS WILL to be done, and surrendering our own will. We walk in Christ as He walked in the Father as ONE.

Maggie I would love to have you join us again with your knowledge of study in refer: walking in the Spirit. AND other Christians who have their own gift of wisdom and knoweldge in accordance to God's Will.

sndbay,
Yes, we ARE cleansed by the blood of Christ IF we believe it and do as Jesus instructed.
Yes, the Catholic Church does teach that we arr are sinners.
Jesus is THE judge of who is a sinner or not and what to do about that.
Yes we do pray that His will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
And we should abide by that.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

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Yes, the Catholic Church does teach that we arr are sinners.



Peace and kindness,
Fred

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Do they teach we can be holy, that we can be conformed to HIS image of righteousness. I think not because they teach the principle doctrine of Christ Jesus, what is known as the milk of babes. (1 Corinthains 3:2 Hebrews 5:12)

Hebrew 5:13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.

Here is a link for those who care to answer questions honestly.

The Way of the Master

ONE FAITH in ONE LORD and ONE BAPTISM can be the next step in surrendering to doing the WILL of GOD, and hope in being conformed as the new man. An appetite for Strong Meat (Hebrew 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil. )

HOPE
Hebrew 6:1-2 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. 6:3 And this will we do, if God permit.


NOTE:
To sin without knowledge is to do in without conscience or knowledge of the sin.
ONE Baptism is the washing of the conscience, and directing the conscience towards doing the Will of God (Gift of the HOLY SPIRIT)

sndbay,
Yes, the Catholics do teach that we can be holy by the grace of God.
Some of that grace comes from the holy sacraments such as baptism and the Holy Euarchist when we partake of it.
A sacrament is something holy that has been set aside for a special holy purpose as established by God.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Sndbay, This is one way we can know if we are living in God's Spirit. How do we
Respond to things that are happening in our life. Most of the time we think, and believe
We have the answer. Even when we pray and put our day in
The Lords hands we still believe we have the answers. Our believing can be put
Into trusting and believing in God in Faith. Most of us live in week faith, if in faith at all. There are answers to all our needs in God's Word, His promisers. I have learned and
Believe my strength and Faith is in the Lord, and I act accordingly. " I can do nothing
on my own, but in Christ all things are Possible,to those who believe."Mark 9-23. Claim God's promises that fit the situation, and Believe and have Faith the
Answer will come. Keep saying and believing God's Promises. This is part of trusting and
Walking in God's Spirit. "The just shall live by Faith" Depend on the Lord in all things.


Love and Blessings, Maggie 3

Maggie that is true, and what you have said not only shows FAITH, but it means you are living by what you believe, and trust God's Will.

It is written in the book of James, that FAITH alone is not enough but that our works of communication and deed will set the example. As doers of the word, and not just hearers only, we are those who go by the law of liberty.
(James 1:22 1:25)

James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

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sndbay,
A sacrament is something holy that has been set aside for a special holy purpose as established by God.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

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Fred, When you speak of something set aside, I think of something on a shelf being held for a special and holy purpose?

Do you mean established by Christ Jesus, and fulfilled in HIS Word by the Will of Our Father and given to us?

sndbay,
Yes, that is what I mean.
Fred

Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

ClassyT, I hope these verses will aid in our discussion


2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Eph 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

Col 3:10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him

"NOW"

Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

sndbay,
Didn't Jesus say that we should go by the spirit of THE LAW and not the letter?
Fred

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sndbay,
Didn't Jesus say that we should go by the spirit of THE LAW and not the letter?
Fred

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I trust this is what you mean Fred

Romans 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death

Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Gal 3:10-11-12 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

sndbay,
Very much so.
Fred

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sndbay,
Very much so.
Fred

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Then let's go back to your question Quote:

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sndbay,
Didn't Jesus say that we should go by the spirit of THE LAW and not the letter?
Fred

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Actually scripture says go by the spirit of liberty and not the old letter. As I have posted the scriptures that says cursed is everyone that does not continue in the law (Gal 3:10-11-12). By doing as the law has taught us, and as Christ puts in our hearts, we are walking in HIS footsteps. We surrender our will to do the will of The Father .

Let's take what ClassyT has said

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Snd,
I'm confused as to what you are saying. Are you saying that you no longer sin? I will agree that our new nature, the one that is conformed to the image of Christ CANNOT sin....unfortunately we live with the OLD nature too. While I try to die daily to it...the OLD man rears its ugly head from time to time. If we say we have no sin...we decieve ourselves!

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We were in bondage to sin, and were servants of sin before the blood of Christ was shed. Now we have been brought and have been given the law of liberty, to serve as servants of righteousness. If we take our liberty to walk in the spirit, there is nothing bad said concerning those which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in them, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit

If we take liberty to walk after the flesh we are (cursed) = (reap what we sow). We put ourselves in bondage to sin. Just like being in bondage to a credit card when you use it. Beguiled by satan like Eve was in the garden. God promised not to curse them as He once did to Adam. Instead through experience of reaping what they had sown, they gain profitable knowledge by the help and hand of God. Everything that satan attempts is overcome by Christ, and HIS grace in forgiveness. (if they repent as done in daily praying of Our Father's Prayer that Christ taught us to pray)

We stand in jeopardy evey hour of every day, but we can rejoice in Christ Jesus by oath. To stand against satan, and his attempt to beguile us. And yes to die (flesh dies to walk in the spirit) daily, and to carry our cross is not easy. We are asked to be diligent that we may be found of Christ in peace, without spot, and blameless.

When we are begotten again we are adopted as a child of God, held to obedience and righteousness of God to walk in the spirit, and not the flesh.

Spirit of Adoption
Romans 8:11-14 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.


1 Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

1 Peter 1:3-4-5 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved(attend to carefully) in heaven for you, Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

sndbay,
We are all sinners and we are all in the flesh even if it is decomposing in a grave.
Some do walk in the spirit of God but billions do not, most of them have never become familiar with Jesus and many have never heard of Him.
That's the way the world is now.
Please pray that many more people are converted to Christianity.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

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sndbay,
We are all sinners and we are all in the flesh even if it is decomposing in a grave.
Some do walk in the spirit of God but billions do not, most of them have never become familiar with Jesus and many have never heard of Him.
That's the way the world is now.
Please pray that many more people are converted to Christianity.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

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John 5:21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.

I believe in One Faith One Lord One Baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. God's will be done in HIS spiritual power to arouse and invigorate the spirit.

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sndbay,
We are all sinners and we are all in the flesh even if it is decomposing in a grave.
Fred

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Disagree..
Not according to scripture Fred. When the flesh body does end life here on earth, it will return (decomposing)to the dust of the earth. And the spirit returns to God. That silver cord that has the flesh connect to the spirit is loosen immediately.


Ecc 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

From there your spirit remain on one side of the great gulf or the other fixed until judgement day. Just as scripture speaks of in (Luke 16:26)

sndbay,
OF COURSE the spirit returns to God, but our flesh is in the grave.
Fred

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sndbay,
OF COURSE the spirit returns to God, but our flesh is in the grave.
Fred

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The statement you made is Quoted that we are all in the flesh even if it is in the grave. Not True, we are not out their in a hold in the ground. The spiritual body houses our inner self (the soul) and we are returned to God.

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sndbay,
We are all sinners and we are all in the flesh even if it is decomposing in a grave.

Fred

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Do you think the earthly body does not perish into dust to return to the earth where it came? Even the ending trumpet examples how we are change permanently. (spiritual bodies brought forth leaving the natural earthly flesh)
REFER:
1 Corinthinas 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Scripture is telling us the dead shall be raised incorruptible (this dead is us, divided from or changed from the flesh to remain in a spiritual body) The only way we are incorruptible is in the spirit (changed). The flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. (1 Cr 15:15) That means the flesh can not be incorruptible. The flesh body returns to dust.

1 Corinthians 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

We were born with a earthly image of the flesh but we will only bear the second body known as the image of heaven. (righteousness in the spirit)

BODY + SPIRIT + SOUL (Baptized the conscience mind is buried in Christ = dead)

This is why we are told, while we are here on earth, diligently work at walking and having the spiritual body in control. Let your spiritual body control your actions to show righteousness. For the flesh body can not please God.

sndbay,
Sorry about that.
It's sad that you did not get what I meant.
Our flesh is in the grave but our spirit not.
Fred

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BODY + SPIRIT + SOUL (Baptized the conscience mind is buried in Christ = dead)

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Are you adding to God’s creation? I don’t understand, “man is not a mere soul, nor a mere body; but both soul and body.” (Augustine, City of God, 19, 3). I don’t see a ghost in this formula, do you? Man is both body and soul.

St. Thomas Aquinas views the soul as follows:

• The rational soul, which is one with the sensitive and vegetative principle, is the form of the body. This was defined as of faith by the Council of Vienne of 1311;
• the soul is a substance, but an incomplete substance, i.e. it has a natural aptitude and exigency for existence in the body, in conjunction with which it makes up the substantial unity of human nature ;
• Though connaturally related to the body, it is itself absolutely simple, i.e. of an unextended and spiritual nature. It is not wholly immersed in matter, its higher operations being intrinsically independent of the organism;
• the rational soul is produced by special creation …
CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Soul

Where in Genesis did God breathe soul AND SPIRIT into material man? “And the Lord God formed man of the slime of the earth: and breathed into his face the breath of life, and man became a living soul.” (Gen 2:7). Ecclesiastes 12:17 refers to man’s death as the body returning to dust and the spirit returns to God. What is to happen to the ‘ghost’ part of man?

Sometimes the soul is distinguished from the spirit: St. Paul for instance prays that God may sanctify his people "wholly", with "spirit and soul and body" kept sound and blameless at the Lord's coming. (Cf. 1 Th 5:23) The Church teaches that this distinction does not introduce a duality into the soul. (Council of Constantinople IV (870): DS 657) "Spirit" signifies that from creation man is ordered to a supernatural end and that his soul can gratuitously be raised beyond all it deserves to communion with God. (Cf. Vatican Council I, Dei Filius: DS 3005; GS 22 # 5; Humani generis: DS 3891.) (CCC 367) Catechism of the Catholic Church - IntraText

When Paul uses body, soul and spirit as in 1 Thessalonians 5:23 he is referring to the matter that man is and the soul that animates man. ‘Soul and Spirit’ is referring to the entire or whole of man; like the idiom, ‘part and parcel’ which refers to the unequivocal essential part.

The doctrine of trichotomy is characteristic of the Gnostics who divided man into three parts, spirit, animal, and earthy. The doctrine sets up a dichotomy whereby earthly perfection is a perfect spirit, and consequently lives eternally. Such a view denies the immortality of the soul as an inherent characteristic.

JoeT

JoeT777,
Thanks for posting that.
It IS very interesting and though provoking.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

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Are you adding to God’s creation? I don’t understand, “man is not a mere soul, nor a mere body; but both soul and body.” (Augustine, City of God, 19, 3). I don’t see a ghost in this formula, do you? Man is both body and soul.

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Joe
If you don't see a spirit or a ghost in the formula, I will try to help you!
Spirit, Soul, And Body - Article - Andrew Wommack Ministries
Watchman Nee:Spiritual Man Volume 1.
Watchman Nee on the Tripartite Man
defining spirit, soul, and body

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Joe
If you don't see a spirit or a ghost in the formula, I will try to help you!
Spirit, Soul, And Body - Article - Andrew Wommack Ministries
Watchman Nee:Spiritual Man Volume 1.
Watchman Nee on the Tripartite Man
defining spirit, soul, and body

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Thank you Adam

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Are you adding to God’s creation? I don’t understand, “man is not a mere soul, nor a mere body; but both soul and body.”
JoeT

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I trust what the word of God says, and perhaps a seed from the Word can offer an awareness of the body + spirit + soul.

Not only does (1 Thess 5:23 ) speak of the awareness to flesh body, spirit body, and living soul, but we have scripture that tells us we do have the two bodies. From the beginning the flesh natural flesh body was given the living soul, but we are born again or begotten again with the spiritual body that is the quickening spirit.

1 Corinthains 15:44-45 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

The reality of what Christ did for us on the cross is far greater then what man seems to realizes. And the reality of what baptism NOW does from what was, is also far greater then what man seems to realizes. Understand that what was not first spiritual, but was natural, became afterward spiritual. The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. (1 Cr 15:46-47)

Proof of what some men think
1 Corinthians 15:35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? And with what body do they come?

Answer
Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain: But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.


One Baptism:Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. (Also: Romans 6:4)

Do you see that this is possible if by ONE FAITH you believe what the Word of God has spoken, and it is the operation of God's plan for us ?

Thanks Adam and sndbay.
Fred

Thank you Adam for e-mail address and thank you Sndbay for your teaching. I appreciate
You both. Maggie 3

"Spirit" denotes the soul of man, or a supernatural act of God within man, or a supernatural life of grace. “Spirit” is used in Scripture to denote the immortality of the soul. This dualism is evident in John 12:27 “Now is my soul troubled” then again in John 13:21” he was troubled in spirit” and again in Luke “My soul doth magnify the Lord. And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.” The intellectual part that animates man is magnified while the immortal part rejoices in the Savior, i.e. the whole of man, body and soul, is saved in a Divine grace for an eternity.

Thus, when we read Matthew 10:28 – “And fear ye not them that kill the body, and are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him that can destroy both soul and body in hell;” we understand that the immortal soul and body suffer eternally in hell. So, if we hold to trichotomy what happens to the spirit?

If we can take idiom and turn it into theology then it seems to me we can take Christ at his word and conclude there are five parts in man, e.g. heart, soul, mind, and strength; as in Mark 12:30, “And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with thy whole heart and with thy whole soul and with thy whole mind and with thy whole strength.”


JoeT

JoeT,
Points well made.
Man is made up of a trinity of bidy, mind and spirit (soul).
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Phl 3:3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.


Eph 3:16-17-18-19 That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man; That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, May be able to comprehend with all saints what [is] the breadth, and length, and depth, and height; And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.