Can a non-Christian truly do good in the sight of God? Why or why not?
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Can a non-Christian truly do good in the sight of God? Why or why not?
I believe you can be a good person with morals. But to be good in the sight of God impossible for anyone. The Bible says are righteousness is as filthy rags in the sight of God. The only thing that makes us good is Salvation with His Mercy and Grace.
A non christian can do good, they can be used to by God to do good to others, but the real problem is that they can never make thierself good enough "for" God or good enough to save thierself. Since they have as all men do a evil nature and no matter how much good they do, they are still sinners who will have to be forgiven. So yes they do good, but they can never actually be good thierself.
Honestly, I don't care. I think religion is all interpretation and interpretation by men always leaves rooms for mistakes.
Me... I say do good in your own eyes. Do what makes you happy. Because the one absolute certainty in life is that you have to wake up to yourself everyday. Life has no guarantees except that one.
I will worry about the afterlife when I get there.
I think that is what "God" would want. I think he would be happy with you if you served yourself... after all you are as important as everyone else, why not take care of numero uno?
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Originally Posted by Kick277Jen
Actually, I believe, "in the sight of God", we all are good as in his loving heart, we all are His Children.
It is not God who turn his back on us and labels us "bad", it is we, with choice, who turn from him.
And I am not preaching, as on a daily basis, knowingly or unknowingly I do something
More then likely outside His will, which is in away turning away from him.
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kick277Jen
Because God is not religious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kick277Jen
I once thought that the motive behind the deed is what made it good or bad. If one was doing it for selfish reasons, it no longer made it good but rather just appeared to be good... even though it might be helping someone. The question is... what defines good? Is it good as long as it reaps an award by either the receiver or the giver? If that's the case, how are we actually rewarded? We are rewarded by God in Heaven... and if we are rewarded in Heaven, than how can a non-believer be rewarded?
I still believe that the motive behind what we do somewhat decides if it is good or not. Our motive is supposed to be that in everything we do, we are to do it for the glory and honor of God... to lift His name, not anyone Elysees. If our motive is to please ourselves or anyone else but God, then can it be good in the eyes of the Lord?
Ken,
You are very right, or I should say I agree with you very much in the fact that if you do a good deed out of love for our Lord, then yes, He is pleased... but... if you do something for "fan" recognition, or to hear... "Isn't Allheart wonderful"... then no, I would not think this is pleasing to God at all. And it also has the "ick" factor... :)
Our reward, yes, it to have eternal life with Our Father, and you ask a good question about those who do not believe, then no, what I am taught, they would not enter into the Kindgom of Heaven.
I also learned that we all will be given a chance to know him - and then it will be our choice whether to believe or not to believe.
You're right that goodness is a matter of cultivating worthy motives, informed by intelligence. It has nothing to do with awards or rewards, whether in heaven or on earth, nor does it depend on belief.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kick277Jen
Why are you so keen to know God's view of the doings of non-Christians? Is it really any of your business?
Christians and non-christians can both do bad things, as well as good things. I believe that someone's religion or absence of, does not affect someone's ability to do morally wrong or right things. Christians can be murderers, christians can gamble, rape, prostitute, cheat and lie. SO can somebody who doesn't believe in God. Being Christian doesn't make you better than anybody else, neither does being muslim or hindu or any other religion. Having a religion doesn't make you have some magical powers, which allow you to be perfect and never do anything wrong. We are all equal people, with individual feelings and personalities. If we are going to do bad things, it is not because we are Christian, it is because of our MORAL beliefs, not religious beliefs. How God sees us, well if you don't have a religion, God doesn't really exist does he? And if you do believe in God, doing something good is a good thing weither or not a higher power observes it or not.
Absolutely. The story of the good Samaritan is a perfect example of how "non-believers" can also do good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kick277Jen
People do good deeds and have kind hearts and do not identify themselves with any religion.
Because one is a beleiver of God, does not make them better or more deserving of good.
We all should be doing our best to walk along the right path - because it is right - not for a reward.
But I have heard many a preacher speaking about the reward of Heaven, so I do understand your question.
I think those of us who do believe have to be so careful in not thinking we are better or superior and damn those who don't believe. ( by the way, that is just a general statement, I do not see that you are doing that).
We all struggle through this thing called life and all of us our human and as a result, imperfect. There is no such thing as less imperfect.
The bible does say that "all of our rightousness is as filthy rags " and "ther is a way which seemth right unto a man but the end thereof is the way of death" WHY? Because "through the disobedience of one man( Adam) many were made sinners." So yes we can do good in our own eyes or our fellow man but God is a Rightous God and those that worship him must worship in spirit and truth. The only way for that is through the lord JesusChrist. Jesus said "I am the truth and the life no man commeth unto the father but by me"
I understand what you are saying GE - I do.
But if I understand the OP's question, I think in there somewhere he asked if a non-Christian does good, does God see it as good?
If that is the question, and if a non-beleiver gave shelter to the homeless, food to the hungry, or clothes to the naked and love to those around him or her, of course, I believe Our Heavenly Father smiles and indeed sees the non-believer as doing good.
Of course they can -- they always have the power to become Born Again Christians!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kick277Jen
If you are looking for an answer to get around becoming a Christian, you will not find it in Scripture as it relates to your being Saved, and what good is anything else -- as we are here on Earth for only a very short period. However, the overriding question should be whether the non-Christian is doing the will of God by remaining a non-Christian therefore, un-Saved. Remember, God wishes to Save every person! The answer to that is also found in the following Scripture: "He that believeth on Him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the Name of the ONLY begotten Son of God." -- JOHN 3:18 (KJV)
Also, this next Scripture is germane to this subject matter. "Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be Born Again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." -- JOHN 3:3 (KJV)
Therefore, it is plain to see and understand that a non-Christian cannot be saved and although he/she can certainly do good deeds whenever he or she wants, while that is always helpful to others (if the intent is to do good and not for self-aggrandizement) spiritually speaking, what good is it in the sight of God if you are not a Christian, if you don't actually believe in the One and Only God because that's what truly matters! That is akin to bringing a teacher an apple every day for the full semester of studies in the hope that the teacher will pass you to a higher grade. That will never happen with a strictly moral teacher. They may surely be appreciative of the kind act in giving them things, but that does not automatically translate into special favors later on.
No matter what kind of good an un-believer does, it certainly will not help them to elevate into Heaven at their appointed time according to Scripture. It takes more! But what is the problem with not believing in the ONLY Son of God, Jesus, and why be so stubborn? Does it boil down to being your "personal preference"? But if it means that you will be Saved if you give your life to Him (which it of course does, when one becomes Born Again) then why refrain from doing so? Certainly, one has free will, but that free will also means that they can Accept Jesus and thereby become Saved. Perhaps it does not mean much to the un-believer at the present time while they are on Earth in a corporeal body, but later on when they have left this Earth, it will mean Plenty, as the decisions one makes here on Earth, be they good or bad, will carry over into the Afterlife, and that is for eternity!
For further reading, there is an excellent website (short-reading) at:
Are you a Non-Christian?
A believer? Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kick277Jen
Without faith it is impossible to please God.
Hebrews 11: 6 But without faith it is impossible to please God. For he that cometh to God, must believe that he is, and is a rewarder to them that seek him.
There are many non-Christians who have faith in God.
Can someone who does not believe in God do good in His sight? Only if he is seeking God while doing so.
Does this seem unfair? I would say, "no." It seems eminently fair. If someone doesn't believe in God, but lives only for himself, what does it matter to him if he pleases God or not?
Of course it doesn't. There are many here who don't care one iota about God. So, why do they want to do good in the sight of the being in which they don't believe and why do they want to go to heaven and eternity with the being which they claim does not exist?
So, in order to do good in the sight of God, one must first believe in God.
Serious question:Quote:
Originally Posted by sherrylen9
Doesn't it bother you being told you were born a worthless piece of wretched filth unless you do as 'they' say?
I drop in on this forum now and then to try and comprehend how the religious mind works. No offense, but I still can't make sense of it. But I'm trying.
I'll bet if a fireman saved a loved one from a burning building you'd consider it a miracle. But what if you learned that fireman was an atheist? All of a sudden he didn't do good by God, huh?Quote:
Originally Posted by De Maria
I've always wondered why "Christians" (those who have Christ in their heart) throw bible versus at those who do not believe, damn them to hell, and expect them to believe in our Loving God.
I believe in our Heavenly Father with all my heart and of course want others to know His love as well. I think our Father would want us to be loving followers and it would be through our loving actions that non-believers would open their hearts to Jesus.
When "Christians" yell, scream and damn others to hell... it doesn't resemble God's love and I wonder how much of Christ is actually in their hearts. I am saying I wonder, I am not saying they do not have Christ in their heart, but in truth, those that scream and rant, are those that I find it most difficult to see His Love in them.
God's word can be heard far greater by loving actions. It hurts my heart when those who claim to love Our Father, say hurtful things to those who are yet to believe.
The Prayer of St. Francis is one of my very favorites and I love to share it with you.
Lord, make me an instrument of your peace,
Where there is hatred, let me sow love;
Where there is injury, pardon;
Where there is doubt, faith;
Where there is despair, hope;
Where there is darkness, light;
Where there is sadness, joy;
O Divine Master, grant that I may not so much seek to be consoled as to console;
To be understood as to understand;
To be loved as to love.
For it is in giving that we receive;
It is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
And it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.
Hello K:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kick277Jen
Who cares what your god thinks? I ain't interested. He already thinks I'm a sinner. He thinks I'm going to hell if I don't bow down to him. And, all I did was get born.
Nope. I'm trying to do good in the sight of ME.
excon
I don't mean to be sarcastic, but maybe it's because they believe 'our Father' is going to torture them for eternity anyway. What's a little ranting and raving compared to what you so gladly accept to be in store for non-believers?Quote:
Originally Posted by Allheart
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Originally Posted by lobrobster
I'm sorry Lob - I don't understand what your saying. Forgive me. And you may have misunderstood what I said.
I was not directing it to anyone, and honestly I don't really see the ranting and raving in this thread, but did you ever come across those that have the bible in one hand, and scream that those who don't accept Jesus are going to hell, that gays are doomed. But it's not done in a loving way, it's done in an angry way. That is what I was referring to.
I am sorry that I wasn't understanding your thoughts. I don't gladly accept what is in store for non-believers, I honestly don't even let my mind go there. I pretty much am trying to clean my act up so I can more easily do right the it be such a struggle. And when I pray more and remember what is important, it is so much easier.
Does that make sense?
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Originally Posted by excon
Hi Ex -
I see it just a tad different. I see it as we all are veiwed as sinners... or to use a more generalized word... we all fall and make mistakes, So in truth, God sees and loves us all just the same.
I don't think God wants us to bow down to Him, but I do believe he wants us not to put money, material things, majic and any false things of worship before him. He also wants us to obey Him. Why? The same reasons our parents didn't want us to give into peer pressure (could be subsittuted for false gods) and the same reasons they wanted us to obey them... because they were desperately trying to teach us right from wrong and to go against that more then likely would bring harm to us or pain.
Our Father loves us and yes, wants us to obey his ways and know and spread his love but not because He is egotistical, but because He is loving and wants to keep us from harm.
I more then respect your beleifs Ex - as well as everyone else's and never want to shove my beleifs on anyone.
By me coming here and posting it helps to reaffirm my beleifs and make them stronger.
This isn't really the problem you seem to think it is. The Christian belief system is what tells you that you NEED saving, so people who don't have that, don't have the need. Since you're offering a solution to a problem they don't have, it shouldn't surprise you if they aren't interested in hearing you go on about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkyGem
Anyway, the original question wasn't whether they could be saved, it was whether they could do good.
It is the problem GOD Says It Is and who could know Better! People who don't have a Christian belief system should reconsider why they don't and then move to align themselves with the ONLY system that can offer them Salvation. To hesitate on that is akin to seeing a car rushing towards you and not moving to the other side to try to save yourself and simply allow the car to hit you, knowing the consequences.Quote:
Originally Posted by ordinaryguy
And who says not all are interested in hearing what I have to say, but better yet said, what SCRIPTURE has to say about this. Many former un-believers have been Saved and have accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior after hearing The Word of God. So, it IS possible to those who truly care about their soul and spirit before they pass on. Of course, to those who do not, no amount of discourse is going to change their mind but then again, they do not wish to see the Light of God, feel His Love and be at Peace with complete Tranquility in the first place when they finish their Earthly life. They obviously are telling us they prefer the darkness where God does not exist and the suffering that inevitably takes place where Jesus is not to grant them Salvation. That is highly disappointing and so many of us are trying to show them a way out of that way of thinking so they may be able to have Jesus Save their soul and spirit when the time comes.
About the original quotation, I answered that. People can indeed do good even if they are not Christians but again, that is not going to bring them Salvation which is something they need to seriously consider. The main issue of being Saved should not be confused or obfuscated by sliding into another area that literally helps no one in that kind of situation. Good should always be done by ALL. But if that is what the non-Believer is looking at trying to use that as a ticket to Heaven when their time comes, then the 'train conductor' going there is going to tell them that their ticket has expired and they need a New Pass. Let's hope people stop to think about this important matter and the dire consequences before it is too late for them. What if they had only a day left to live and they knew there was a difference in where they would end up for eternity? I would like to believe that many would go on Faith by accepting Jesus Christ into their life to try to Save their soul and spirit in the end as should be.
You said you didn't understand why some Christians throw bible verses at non-believers. I'm just pointing out that people who REALLY believe others are headed for such a revolting eternal torture chamber, that throwing biblical verses around doesn't seem too unreasonable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allheart
I get that being saved is the main issue for YOU. But there is no way you can make it be the main issue for somebody who doesn't share your belief system. Sorry for your angst.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkyGem
I certainly hope so 'cause I try.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kick277Jen
And I am truly sorry also that you have freely chosen darkness and desolation without Salvation instead of Light with Love and Peace and Happiness in Heaven. Because you were created by God, may God help you to see the Light in this important situation before it's too late.Quote:
Originally Posted by ordinaryguy
I would certainly appreciate it and I would thank the fireman and then I would thank God.Quote:
Originally Posted by lobrobster
I would still thank him. And I would still thank God for permitting him to save my loved one.Quote:
But what if you learned that fireman was an atheist?
No, he didn't do anything that could save him for eternity. Remember, HE doesn't believe in God. Therefore, HE DOESN'T CARE about living in eternity with God.Quote:
All of a sudden he didn't do good by God, huh?
For instance, lets say that fireman were you. Did you save that person's life because you cared about God? No? Then why do you want God to save you for eternity?
Ex-Con understands atheism exactly right. He says, Who cares what your god thinks? I ain't interested. .... Nope. I'm trying to do good in the sight of ME.
Or what are you saying here Lob? Do you mean that you want God to take your deeds into account? Yet you don't take His deeds into account? How is that fair?
So, the question is very simple. If you don't believe in God, why do you care if He is pleased by your deeds?
Sincerely,
De Maria
Samaritans are believers.Quote:
Originally Posted by RickJ
The Samaritans (Hebrew: שומרונים Shomronim), known in the Talmud as Kuthim (Hebrew: כותים), are an ethnic group of the Levant. Ethnically, they are descended from a group of Israelite inhabitants that have connections to ancient Samaria from the beginning of the Babylonian Exile up to the beginning of the Common Era. The Samaritans, however, derive their name not from this geographical designation, but rather from the term שַמֶרִים (Shamerim), “keepers [of the law]”.[citation needed] Religiously, they are the adherents to Samaritanism, a religion based on the Torah. Samaritans claim that their worship (as opposed to mainstream Judaism) is the true religion of the ancient Israelites, predating the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem.
Samaritan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I don't think anyone denied that "non-believers" could do good. Only that non-believers could do good in the sight of God.Quote:
... a perfect example of how "non-believers" can also do good.
There's a difference. If a believer does good in the sight of God, then his deed will be accounted towards his salvation:
Matthew 10 41 He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet, shall receive the reward of a prophet: and he that receiveth a just man in the name of a just man, shall receive the reward of a just man.
Matthew 16 27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels: and then will he render to every man according to his works.
But, without faith, it is impossible to please God:
Hebrews 11 6 But without faith it is impossible to please God. For he that cometh to God, must believe that he is, and is a rewarder to them that seek him.
So, if a non-believer does good in the sight of men and in his own sight, he has received his reward. He has received the applause of men and the feeling of pride that comes along with doing something which pleases men and self. But this deed is not counted towards his eternal salvation since he does not believe in eternal salvation which only comes from the God whose existence he denies.
Sincerely,
De Maria
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Originally Posted by lobrobster
Sorry - I should have said... "harshly try and force".
Additionally, while they are trying to "jam" God's love down the throats of the "poor souls destined for hell" should they not be tending to their own internal house as well?
I could almost lay money down that there were times that God was pleased 5x as much
with a non-believer's brotherly love and giving soul then myself, a beleiver, who sins and whose sins hurts our Heavenly Father.
So, you see, I don't understand nor do I see God's love in harsh words spoken trying to "force" someone to see the error of their ways.
And how much more noble is a good deed done for no other reason than the goodness of the deed and to help someone? Not because of wanting a reward or out of fear from punishment.Quote:
Originally Posted by De Maria
It's not about me caring if God is pleased, it's about what Christians think. Sometimes I think I have more respect for the god you worship than you do. You are basically saying that even if one performs a tremendous deed or heroic act for the sake of a Christian (one of God's children), that this person has not done good in the sight of god. What kind of merciless, contemptuous being do you think god is?Quote:
So, the question is very simple. If you don't believe in God, why do you care if He is pleased by your deeds?
I have chosen no such thing, but I do thank you for displaying your self-righteous presumption so clearly and unambiguously. You perform a valuable service for those who may be hesitant or undecided.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkyGem
Wow, a Christian I can respect! You are in a very rare minority. Most Christians I know have the same typical view of someone like De Maria who states in no uncertain terms: "It's impossible to please God without faith".Quote:
Originally Posted by Allheart
But to be honest, I don't understand your thinking here. Again, if I really believed that over half the people on the planet were destined to spend eternity in a fiery torture chamber, I'd be one of those guys you see on the street corner preaching and wearing a sign. How can it not be the right thing to do to get the word out and do everything humanly possible to save people from such a horrendous fate?Quote:
So, you see, I don't understand nor do I see God's love in harsh words spoken trying to "force" someone to see the error of their ways.
A loving hug and mutually respectful conversation go a long way.Quote:
Originally Posted by lobrobster
I do understand what you are saying... in there minds they are "desperate" to save everyone. I just don't feel that is there true motivation and may God forigive me for saying that. If it were, they would stop there shouting, and take time to listen. Just my opinion.
Lol!! I must have struck a nerve. A lot of double talk but no answer to the question.Quote:
Originally Posted by lobrobster
Why do you want a nonexistent being to count the goodness of your deeds?
I didn't say anything about wanting a reward or fear of punishment. I said faith. What does faith mean to you?Quote:
Not because of wanting a reward or out of fear from punishment.
No. It doesn't matter what we think.Quote:
It's not about me caring if God is pleased, it's about what Christians think.
In fact, you have derailed the question. The question is whether a nonChristian can do good in the eyes of God.
I have answered that a nonChristian can do good in the eyes of God. But a nonbeliever can't. Or at least not any good that will count towards his salvation.
That's because you don't understand the God I worship. You want to be saved by God but you don't want to pay the price of faith in God. That simply means you want to make up your own religion.Quote:
Sometimes I think I have more respect for the god you worship than you do.
But, let me ask point blank, are you saying you believe in God?
If he does it for his own sake, that is correct.Quote:
You are basically saying that even if one performs a tremendous deed or heroic act for the sake of a Christian (one of God's children), that this person has not done good in the sight of god.
I think God is a wonderful loving being who takes care of those who love Him. I think God wants all to be saved but He does not coerce them. And I think God respects YOUR decision. If you don't want anything to do with God in this life, that is proof that you want nothing to do with Him in the next.Quote:
What kind of merciless, contemptuous being do you think god is?
So, answer the question. If you don't believe in God, why do you care if He is pleased by your deeds?
Sincerely,
De Maria
Faith to me, means a belief in a proposition despite the complete lack of sufficient evidence to support that belief.Quote:
Originally Posted by De Maria
I think it does matter. The rational people of this world realize that it's these type of assumptions that one has an inside line to what will please an invisible god that is the reason different religions want to kill each other.Quote:
No. It doesn't matter what we think.
So someone who believes in Allah, Zeus, or the great juju of the mountain can do good in the eyes of your god, but an atheist cannot? That makes no sense.Quote:
have answered that a nonChristian can do good in the eyes of God. But a nonbeliever can't. Or at least not any good that will count towards his salvation.
I'll answer point blank. No. I do not believe in any type of god. But more importantly, if I did, I wouldn't be so presumptuous as to assume my religion must know him better than any of the other hundreds of religions.Quote:
But, let me ask point blank, are you saying you believe in God?
Again, I don't care. What I care about is that people aren't so arrogant or pretentious to think they can speak for God. IF God does exist (and IF he cares about what goes on in our little remote corner of the universe), it's certainly not for you to say what could or couldn't please him.Quote:
So, answer the question. If you don't believe in God, why do you care if He is pleased by your deeds?
And that is where we differ. You see, I believe God is my heavenly Father. I believe He loves me and has my best interest at heart. That is why I have faith in Him.Quote:
Originally Posted by lobrobster
Lets compare that to something we can relate to. I have faith in my earthly father because I know that he loves me and he does things in my best interest.
Unfortunately, there are children in this world who have parents in whom they do not have faith because, whether they love their parents or not, they can't trust their parents to do things in their best interest. Therefore, they have no faith in their parents.
Since you don't believe God exists, I wouldn't expect you to have faith in Him.
You love to bring up things that aren't in the discussion. The fact is that the deadliest people in history are atheists. Atheistic regimes have killed more people in one century alone than all relgious people have throughout the history of mankind.Quote:
I think it does matter. The rational people of this world realize that it's these type of assumptions that one has an inside line to what will please an invisible god that is the reason different religions want to kill each other.
But lets not change the subject. If you want to discuss this, make another thread.
To you. But it makes perfect sense to me. Someone who believes in a god, even if he does not believe in the True God, may be saved by the True God because that person may be seeking the True God.Quote:
So someone who believes in Allah, Zeus, or the great juju of the mountain can do good in the eyes of your god, but an atheist cannot? That makes no sense.
People who believe in false gods are frequently, but not always, searching for the True God.
Scripture says:
Acts Of Apostles 17 22 But Paul standing in the midst of the Areopagus, said: Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things you are too superstitious. 23 For passing by, and seeing your idols, I found an altar also, on which was written: To the unknown God. What therefore you worship, without knowing it, that I preach to you:
Ok. It seems strange, don't you think, that you would say you have more respect for God than I, since you don't even acknowledge His existence?Quote:
I'll answer point blank. No. I do not believe in any type of god.
What type of belief is that? That is more like uncertainty.Quote:
But more importantly, if I did, I wouldn't be so presumptuous as to assume my religion must know him better than any of the other hundreds of religions.
IF you believed, which you don't, you would assume that the religion in which you believed knew God better than the others.
Apparently, you do. You have yet to answer the question and below, you sound uncertain as to the existence of God. Yet two sentences above you claimed not to believe in His existence?Quote:
Again, I don't care.
So, do you or don't you believe that God exists?
Again, a statement that presupposes the existence of God.Quote:
What I care about is that people aren't so arrogant or pretentious to think they can speak for God.
If you don't believe God exists, why do you care if someone speaks for Him or not?
What? Now its "if"? This is a display of uncertainty. Are you an atheist or not?Quote:
IF God does exist (and IF he cares about what goes on in our little remote corner of the universe), it's certainly not for you to say what could or couldn't please him.
I think I need to ask the question again. This time answer the question directly please.
If you don't believe in God, why do you care if He is pleased by your deeds?
Sincerely,
De Maria
Of course a non-Christian can do good, but who you are doing the good for is what makes a Christian and non-Christian different. Are you doing good for your own praise? A Christian does good so that others will praise God. Every good thing is from God. Every good work is for God's glory not ours.
God first, others second, ourselves last.
If we are doing good just for our own glory, it has no value.
God loves everyone. If an atheist saved my loved one I would never be able to thank him enough. Then I would thank God for sending this man to our family. I would know that God sent him to us for a purpose--may be to tell him the good news of Jesus.
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