How do christians explain Jesus' failed prophecies ? Here are only two among several.
Matthew 10:23, Jesus told his disciples that he would return before they could go over all the cities of Israel with the gospel. The gospel has since been preached all throughout Israel, & continues to be so with christian television now, & still Jesus hasn't returned.
Mark 14:62, Jesus told the high priest that he would live to see Jesus' second coming. Of course the high priest died before Jesus returned.
So there is two false prophecies made by Jesus. Any explanations ?

Incorrect. Matthew 10:23 says "When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another. I tell you the truth, you will not finish going through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes"

...note the word not.

Mark 14:62

"I am," said Jesus. "And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven."

... does not say anything about when.

I clarify on the first one. We would argue here that Christ did "come" before they were done. He returned from the dead.

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Originally Posted by RickJ

I clarify on the first one. We would argue here that Christ did "come" before they were done. He returned from the dead.

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Poor answer on both counts. Jesus didn't say the disciples would not go over the cities of Israel before he rose, but before he would come. And as to Mark 14:62 Jesus told the high priest you shall see the son of man sitting at the right hand of power & coming in the clouds. The high priest did not see this in his lifetime. You're reaching.

Matthew 10:23 --

NT prophecy ("eschatology") is predominantly preterist, i.e. fulfilled completely in the destruction of Jerusalem A.D. 70. (spiritual "coming"). In other words, not all "coming" passages are physical ones, i.e. refer to Christ's coming. This is a spiritual one.

Jesus is saying that he will come in judgment on the Jews when Jerusalem and the temple are destroyed in A.D. 70

Yes, just as with the priests of Jesus days, they are blind to the truth and don't want to see Jesus as who he is,

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Matthew 10:23, Jesus told his disciples that he would return before they could go over all the cities of Israel with the gospel. The gospel has since been preached all throughout Israel, & continues to be so with christian television now, & still Jesus hasn't returned.

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Verse 22 says that when they persecute them in one city they should flee to another and that that will not have gone over all the cities of Israel until the Son of man come. This is in the context of persecution, not in the context of spreading the gospel. When does this occur? We have some indication if we look earlier in the same section of the chapter:

Matt 10:16-23
16 "Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves. Therefore be wise as serpents and harmless as doves. 17 But beware of men, for they will deliver you up to councils and scourge you in their synagogues. 18 You will be brought before governors and kings for My sake, as a testimony to them and to the Gentiles. 19 But when they deliver you up, do not worry about how or what you should speak. For it will be given to you in that hour what you should speak; 20 for it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you. 21 Now brother will deliver up brother to death, and a father his child; and children will rise up against parents and cause them to be put to death. 22 And you will be hated by all for My name's sake. But he who endures to the end will be saved. 23 When they persecute you in this city, flee to another. For assuredly, I say to you, you will not have gone through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes.
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This did not happen to the apostles. None of this happened at that point in time. These things did happen to Jesus but not to the apostles. What we see in this passage is an indication of the persecution to come upon the believers in the last days.

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Mark 14:62, Jesus told the high priest that he would live to see Jesus' second coming. Of course the high priest died before Jesus returned. So there is two false prophecies made by Jesus. Any explanations ?

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You added to this. Where did Jesus says that the high priest would personally live that long?

Mark 14:62-63
62 And Jesus said, "I am. And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven."
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Look at this prophecy of the same event.

Rev 1:7-8
7 Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.
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When this happens in the future, even those who pierced Him will see it. Nothing says that they need to be alive at the time. Every eye will see it.

Usually I do not respond to these because what I have found is that those who post these have found a long list on internet sites of supposed problems in the Bible, and usually, just like these, it is as easy as reading a few lines on one side or the other, or simply reading the context.

It is obvious from reading and rereading the New Testament(and reading Biblical scholar's work) that it has been altered many times due to the many contradictions and forgeries. There appears to be passages that have one kind of "Jesus" speaking totally contradictary to what another kind of Jesus speaks and stands for.

Briefly, one "Jesus", as described in the Bible, was a man who believed that he would return from the dead rather immediately and establish a his Kingdom on earth. Of course, that didn't happen.

Yes, I will agree that almost all of the early chistians beleiveed that he would come soon, just as the next and the next and the next generation.
Even today, our TV preachers have him coming back any day now.

WWI was the coming, then it was the a bomb, they it was social security numbers that was the sign of his coming. Each generation has its own. Christ has his own time as God does, we look at how many generations his people were slaves in Egypt before they were freed. And how long it was before Christ was sent

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It is obvious from reading and rereading the New Testament(and reading Biblical scholar's work) that it has been altered many times due to the many contradictions and forgeries.

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Many such claims are made, but I for one have yet to see evidence of a forgery or a contradiction.

PS to Choux's comment: Choux, I have studied the so-called contradictions, and have studied the history of how the Bible came to be, the history of the manuscripts, and the claims of changes. That is why I commented.

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It is not normally forgeries, more than people not understanding what a ancient writer was meaning, the post yesterday about the "eye of a needle" is a good example, people now adays think sewing needle, not a gate in the wall of the city.

I often go back to early greek on the NT, where one can debate meanings, and also reference it to various study guiles

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Originally Posted by Tj3

Verse 22 says that when they persecute them in one city they should flee to another and that that will not have gone over all the cities of Israel until the Son of man come. This is in the context of persecution, not in the context of spreading the gospel. When does this occur? We have some indication if we look earlier in the same section of the chapter:

Matt 10:16-23
16 "Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves. Therefore be wise as serpents and harmless as doves. 17 But beware of men, for they will deliver you up to councils and scourge you in their synagogues. 18 You will be brought before governors and kings for My sake, as a testimony to them and to the Gentiles. 19 But when they deliver you up, do not worry about how or what you should speak. For it will be given to you in that hour what you should speak; 20 for it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you. 21 Now brother will deliver up brother to death, and a father his child; and children will rise up against parents and cause them to be put to death. 22 And you will be hated by all for My name's sake. But he who endures to the end will be saved. 23 When they persecute you in this city, flee to another. For assuredly, I say to you, you will not have gone through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes.
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This did not happen to the apostles. None of this happened at that point in time. These things did happen to Jesus but not to the apostles. What we see in this passage is an indication of the persecution to come upon the believers in the last days.



You added to this. Where did Jesus says that the high priest would personally live that long?

Mark 14:62-63
62 And Jesus said, "I am. And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven."
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Look at this prophecy of the same event.

Rev 1:7-8
7 Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.
NKJV

When this happens in the future, even those who pierced Him will see it. Nothing says that they need to be alive at the time. Every eye will see it.

Usually I do not respond to these because what I have found is that those who post these have found a long list on internet sites of supposed problems in the Bible, and usually, just like these, it is as easy as reading a few lines on one side or the other, or simply reading the context.

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All premillennial fundamentalist christians today distinguish two resurrections separated by a period of a thousand years, the first at the rapture for the righteous, the second at the great white throne following the destruction of the earth for the unrighteous. Only the righteous, living & dead, at the time of the second coming will Jesus coming in the clouds. The unrighteous dead will not see it, for they remain dead until the judgment of the great white throne. Therefore the high priest will not see Jesus coming in the clouds, yet Jesus told the high priest he would see it. The high priest, of course, did not see it as Jesus prophesied.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Matthew 10:23 --

NT prophecy ("eschatology") is predominantly preterist, i.e., fulfilled completely in the destruction of Jerusalem A.D. 70. (spiritual "coming"). In other words, not all "coming" passages are physical ones, i.e., refer to Christ's coming. This is a spiritual one.

Jesus is saying that he will come in judgment on the Jews when Jerusalem and the temple are destroyed in A.D. 70

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The fact remains, Jesus told the high priest he would see Jesus coming in the clouds. He didn't say to the high priest you will see Jerusalem surrounded by the armies of Rome, but you will see the son of man sitting at the right hand of power and coming in the clouds of heaven. There is nothing spiritual about that. Jesus meant the high priest would literally see him coming in the clouds. But this did not happen as Jesus prophesied.

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The fact remains, Jesus told the high priest he would see Jesus coming in the clouds. He didn't say to the high priest you will see Jerusalem surrounded by the armies of Rome, but you will see the son of man sitting at the right hand of power and coming in the clouds of heaven. There is nothing spiritual about that. Jesus meant the high priest would literally see him coming in the clouds. But this did not happen as Jesus prophesied.

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Just wondering,
Could this mean the coming of Jesus(alaihi salaam)near the end of the world?

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All premillennial fundamentalist christians today distinguish two resurrections separated by a period of a thousand years, the first at the rapture for the righteous, the second at the great white throne following the destruction of the earth for the unrighteous. Only the righteous, living & dead, at the time of the second coming will Jesus coming in the clouds. The unrighteous dead will not see it, for they remain dead until the judgment of the great white throne. Therefore the high priest will not see Jesus coming in the clouds, yet Jesus told the high priest he would see it. The high priest, of course, did not see it as Jesus prophesied.

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I don't know where you are getting your information from, but it has been skewed. The Bible (specifically the Book of Reveleation) does speak of the two resurrections, but again you make the assumption that only those who are alive at the time will see it happen. Scripture says that every eye will see it. It does not say only those living on the earth at the time.

A similar prophecy speaks of every knee bowing at the name of Christ, and it too clearly not just refer to those who are alive on earth at the time of the event.
Phil 2:9-11
9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
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Just wondering,
could this mean the coming of Jesus(alaihi salaam)near the end of the world?

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It does in fact refer to the second coming of Christ.

Mark 13:24-27
24 "But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; 25 the stars of heaven will fall, and the powers in heaven will be shaken. 26 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then He will send His angels, and gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest part of earth to the farthest part of heaven.
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Dan 7:13-14
13 "I was watching in the night visions,
And behold, One like the Son of Man,
Coming with the clouds of heaven!
He came to the Ancient of Days,
And they brought Him near before Him.
14 Then to Him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom,
That all peoples, nations, and languages should serve Him.
His dominion is an everlasting dominion,
Which shall not pass away,
And His kingdom the one
Which shall not be destroyed.
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The fact remains, Jesus told the high priest he would see Jesus coming in the clouds. He didn't say to the high priest you will see Jerusalem surrounded by the armies of Rome, but you will see the son of man sitting at the right hand of power and coming in the clouds of heaven. There is nothing spiritual about that. Jesus meant the high priest would literally see him coming in the clouds. But this did not happen as Jesus prophesied.

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What is your goal of posting this question, to gain a better understanding or answer, or just to "stir up the pot" On a separate post you clearly indicated that you do not believe in God. I am confident that every Christian would and could defend their faith and has already done an excellent job! If you are questioning your beliefs than be open to the other side and take it into consideration. If you are just here to stir things up than I think we all (defenders of our faith) need to be cautious.

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What is your goal of posting this question, to gain a better understanding or answer, or just to "stir up the pot" On a seperate post you clearly indicated that you do not believe in God. I am confident that every Christian would and could defend their faith and has already done an excellent job! If you are questioning your beliefs than be open to the other side and take it into consideration. If you are just here to stir things up than I think we all (defenders of our faith) need to be cautious.

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You're wrong about me not believing in God. I am a deist, & deists believe in God, just not your evil bible god.

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You're wrong about me not believing in God. I am a deist, & deists believe in God, just not your evil bible god.

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If you don't believe in the so called "evil bible God" than why are you even asking questions about the Bible, Jesus, and prophesies?

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If you don't believe in the so called "evil bible God" than why are you even asking questions about the Bible, Jesus, and prophesies?

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I show the absurdities of the bible for two reasons. One is to get christians to think about what they believe, the absurdities of it. God didn't give us a reasoning mind just so we would reject it in favor of taking things on faith alone. God gave us a mind to gather knowledge of his creation through observation & questions for the purpose of learning of God through It's only revelation, creation itself. The second & more important reason is because I'm battling the far right for freedom. The far right has an agenda, & it is to turn America, indeed, the world, into a totalitarian theocracy, getting rid of separation of church & state, free speech, freedom of religion, & where it's illegal to be anything but a christian. I have read direct quotes from the far right stating that they want to deny religious liberty to all non-christians. I read of at least one far right proponent who wants to bring back stoning to death of rebellious children. I don't mind freedom of religion & free speech, something we all have an inalienable right to, but the christian far right wants to get rid of both.

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I show the absurdities of the bible for two reasons. One is to get christians to think about what they believe, the absurdities of it. God didn't give us a reasoning mind just so we would reject it in favor of taking things on faith alone. God gave us a mind to gather knowledge of his creation through observation & questions for the purpose of learning of God through It's only revelation, creation itself. The second & more important reason is because I'm battling the far right for freedom. The far right has an agenda, & it is to turn America, indeed, the world, into a totalitarian theocracy, getting rid of separation of church & state, free speech, freedom of religion, & where it's illegal to be anything but a christian. I have read direct quotes from the far right stating that they want to deny religious liberty to all non-christians. I read of at least one far right proponent who wants to bring back stoning to death of rebellious children. I don't mind freedom of religion & free speech, something we all have an inalienable right to, but the christian far right wants to get rid of both.

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Thank you. The "far right agenda" that you describe is insane; I am completely against those things as well. Although I don't believe the Bible is at all absurb and still use my reasoning mind daily. We are all free to choose and live in a free country with certain rights.

I am only semi-familiar with Deism; what God do you believe in and who is Jesus to you? I am not concerned with the rules, etc just personally?

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Thank you. The "far right agenda" that you describe is insane; I am completely against those things as well. Although I don't believe the Bible is at all absurb and still use my reasoning mind daily. We are all free to choose and live in a free country with certain rights.

I am only semi-familiar with Deism; what God do you believe in and who is Jesus to you? I am not concerned with the rules, etc just personally?

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I Believe in a God whose only miracle was in creating the universe. It doesn't intervene in the affairs of man. It hasn't given us any holy books, those are all man-made for the purpose of controlling others through fear. There was no Adam & Eve, more than two humans evolved simultaneously. So there is no original sin & no need for a savior. There is no devil or angels or demons, & Jesus is not God's son. I don't know if there is life after death or not, some deists believe there is, some don't. I believe that what is important to God is how well we treat one another & not what we believe. If you're a good person God doesn't care if you're a christian, a deist, a buddhist, or an atheist. If there is to be a judgment I believe it will be based on this.

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I Believe in a God whose only miracle was in creating the universe. It doesn't intervene in the affairs of man. It hasn't given us any holy books, those are all man-made for the purpose of controlling others through fear. There was no Adam & Eve, more than two humans evolved simultaneously. So there is no original sin & no need for a savior. There is no devil or angels or demons, & Jesus is not God's son. I don't know if there is life after death or not, some deists believe there is, some don't. I believe that what is important to God is how well we treat one another & not what we believe. If you're a good person God doesn't care if you're a christian, a deist, a buddhist, or an atheist. If there is to be a judgment I believe it will be based on this.

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OK. Why would God create a earth/universe and then just abandon it; not to care about the people or anything on it again.

That doesn't make sense to me, that would be like an artist creating an exquiste work of art and then covering it and putting it in the corner, never to look at again?

What reasoning brought you to this conclusion/your belief?

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OK. Why would God create a earth/universe and then just abandon it; not to care about the people or anything on it again.

That doesn't make sense to me, that would be like an artist creating an exquiste work of art and then covering it and putting it in the corner, never to look at again?

What reasoning brought you to this conclusion/your belief?

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I find that reality as it really is lines up more with the teachings of deism than with those of the bible. I've been a christian, & I learned over more than 27 years of personal experience that the bible doesn't line up with reality.

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I find that reality as it really is lines up more with the teachings of deism than with those of the bible. I've been a christian, & I learned over more than 27 years of personal experience that the bible doesn't line up with reality.

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Maybe not the reality as we see it in our finite minds? How does the Bible not line up with reality? You say you were a christian (follower of Christ) for 27 years and abadoned it and now don't believe that Jesus is the son of God, then did you ever believe in that? Do you believe in "once saved always saved"

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Maybe not the reality as we see it in our finite minds? How does the Bible not line up with reality? You say you were a christian (follower of Christ) for 27 years and abadoned it and now don't believe that Jesus is the son of God, then did you ever believe in that? Do you believe in "once saved always saved"

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Seeing as I no longer believe in the bible I do not believe any longer that Jesus is divine in any way. As a christian I believed in the perseverance of the saints, but as I said, I no longer believe the bible. The bible says if you pray to the bible god according to his will he hears & answers. That was not my experience, in reality as it really is not one of my thousands of prayers prayed over those more than 27 years were answered. Deism answers for me the questions that the bible couldn't answer.

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Seeing as I no longer believe in the bible I do not believe any longer that Jesus is divine in any way. As a christian I believed in the perseverance of the saints, but as I said, I no longer believe the bible. The bible says if you pray to the bible god according to his will he hears & answers. That was not my experience, in reality as it really is not one of my thousands of prayers prayed over those more than 27 years were answered. Deism answers for me the questions that the bible couldn't answer.

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It sounds like it was a difficult 27 years for you? I know it sucks that prayers sometimes don't come when and how we want them to or for what we think are the most important things.

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Seeing as I no longer believe in the bible I do not believe any longer that Jesus is divine in any way. As a christian I believed in the perseverance of the saints, but as I said, I no longer believe the bible. The bible says if you pray to the bible god according to his will he hears & answers. That was not my experience, in reality as it really is not one of my thousands of prayers prayed over those more than 27 years were answered. Deism answers for me the questions that the bible couldn't answer.

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I would be interested in why you believe that your prayers were not answered. Remember, God is not a slave who must do what we ask, so often the answer is not the answer that we hoped for. I have had many times in my life when the answer that I wanted did not come, but God answered in a way that I would have never thought about.

Also, the answer may be "no". Do you have children? Have you ever seen a case where they wanted something so badly that they thought that they needed it, but you knew that it would not be good for them, so you said no? God, as a good and caring God, know what is best for us also, and often, despite our pleading, also has to say "no".

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I would be interested in why you believe that your prayers were not answered. Remember, God is not a slave who must do what we ask, so often the answer is not the answer that we hoped for. I have had many times in my life when the answer that I wanted did not come, but God answered in a way that I would have never thought about.

Also, the answer may be "no". Do you have children? Have you ever seen a case where they wanted something so badly that they thought that they needed it, but you knew that it would not be good for them, so you said no? God, as a good and caring God, know what is best for us also, and often, despite our pleading, also has to say "no".

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See the thread "christian prayer" & my question there which started the thread.

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How do christians explain Jesus' failed prophecies ? Here are only two among several.
Matthew 10:23, Jesus told his disciples that he would return before they could go over all the cities of Israel with the gospel. The gospel has since been preached all throughout Israel, & continues to be so with christian television now, & still Jesus hasn't returned.
Mark 14:62, Jesus told the high priest that he would live to see Jesus' second coming. Of course the high priest died before Jesus returned.
So there is two false prophecies made by Jesus. Any explanations ?

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Consider the possibility that Jesus was referring to his resurrection. You look at things with a closed mind trying to relate millennial prophesies to other prophesies

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I show the absurdities of the bible for two reasons. One is to get christians to think about what they believe, the absurdities of it. God didn't give us a reasoning mind just so we would reject it in favor of taking things on faith alone. God gave us a mind to gather knowledge of his creation through observation & questions for the purpose of learning of God through It's only revelation, creation itself. The second & more important reason is because I'm battling the far right for freedom. The far right has an agenda, & it is to turn America, indeed, the world, into a totalitarian theocracy, getting rid of separation of church & state, free speech, freedom of religion, & where it's illegal to be anything but a christian. I have read direct quotes from the far right stating that they want to deny religious liberty to all non-christians. I read of at least one far right proponent who wants to bring back stoning to death of rebellious children. I don't mind freedom of religion & free speech, something we all have an inalienable right to, but the christian far right wants to get rid of both.

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Friend, this statement is utterly ridiculous! You have exposed your ageda. If Christians wanted to have enforced "Christianity" they could have done so at the founding of this nation, in as much as nearly all of the founders believed in Jesus Christ. It is absured to think that Christians would attempt to enforce their beliefs on olthers, because it is impossible to be a Christian unless one wants to be one. Is it possible that you want is to silence any voice that dares to point out your sin for what it is?

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Friend, this statement is utterly ridiculous! You have exposed your ageda. If Christians wanted to have enforced "Christianity" they could have done so at the founding of this nation, in as much as nearly all of the founders believed in Jesus Christ. It is absured to think that Christians would attempt to enforce their beliefs on olthers, because it is impossible to be a Christian unless one wants to be one. Is it possible that you want is to silence any voice that dares to point out your sin for what it is?

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You have a skewed understanding of the founding of the US, no doubt propagated by the far right. Most of the founding fathers were deists, masons, & unitarians. Few were christians. If you doubt my words then maybe you ought to read article 11 of the treaty of Tripoli, signed by president John Adams himself & ratified by congress in 1797. Article 11 in part reads that the US government is in NO sense founded on the christian religion. The US was founded as a secular nation. Why do you think the constitution guarantees separation of church & state ?

After Christ was killed on the cross and sealed in the tomb, he appeared to them after three days.
You are correct that a lot of the founding fathers were not Christians but they had no problem with Christains or anyone believing as they wished to believe.
May the force be with you.

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After Christ was killed on the cross and sealed in the tomb, he appeared to them after three days.
You are correct that a lot of the founding fathers were not Christians but they had no problem with Christains or anyone believing as they wished to believe.
May the force be with you.

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I have a problem with anyone who wants to turn America into a totalitarian theocracy where it is illegal to be anything other than christian, & that's what the far right wants.

Just as testimonial... Ever since I started asking and praying sincerely, so far I've had many if almost all of my prayers answered.

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Im very new! If you can go answer my question though I would appreciate it so much!!

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To whom are you speaking, & what is the question ?

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You're wrong about me not believing in God. I am a deist, & deists believe in God, just not your evil bible god.

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Jesus Christ is the God of the Bible. Promised to Eve, prophecied about by the O.T. prophets, conceived by the Holy Ghost, identified by the angel Gabriel as "God with us". Jesus identified Himself as the Son of God, and claimed equality with God. ("I and the Father are one") expressing complete unity with the Father. He proved His claims by His control over natural forces, unclean spirits, sickness and death. Then this God that you call "evil" volunteered to endure a Roman flogging and death by crucifixion, probably the most brutal death ever conceived by the mind of man, so that all mankind (including yourself) would not have to suffer eternal judgment. He arose from the dead to seal the deal. What evil do you see here? You owe Him an apology. Now I understand that you believe none of this despite multiple correaborating records, but your unbelief affects no one but you.

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Jesus Christ is the God of the Bible. Promised to Eve, prophecied about by the O.T. prophets, conceived by the Holy Ghost, identified by the angel Gabriel as "God with us". Jesus identified Himself as the Son of God, and claimed equality with God. ("I and the Father are one") expressing complete unity with the Father. He proved His claims by His control over natural forces, unclean spirits, sickness and death. Then this God that you call "evil" volunteered to endure a Roman flogging and death by crucifixion, probably the most brutal death ever conceived by the mind of man, so that all mankind (including yourself) would not have to suffer eternal judgment. He arose from the dead to seal the deal. What evil do you see here? You owe Him an apology. Now I understand that you believe none of this despite multiple correaborating records, but your unbelief affects no one but you.

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Where is your multiple corraborating records ? There are none outside the bible. You are guilty of using the bible to prove the bible & that is circular reasoning. Nowhere in the New Testament does the angel Gabriel call Jesus Immanuel (god with us), in fact, nowhere in the entire New Testament is Jesus called Immanuel outside Matthew's reference to a prophecy that didn't even refer to Jesus, but to Isaiah's own son born by a prophetess (probably his wife). The evil bible god drowned millions of young children & unborn babies, who had committed no personal sins, who didn't even understand the concept of good or evil. The evil bible god says, It's my way or hell damnit ! He sounds like a mean bully throwing a tantrum. You have been brainwashed by fundamentalism. The true God is good, nothing at all like the evil bible god.

Jesus was referring to the Holly Spirit which is the spirit of God/jesus. All the proffecies of Jesus' first coming were fulfilled to the T. theses were written many years before his birth and they all came to pass. All the prophesies of his second coming have also been fulfilled including the creation of the country Isreal which happened in 1946 after the first world war. So jesus can come anytime, even now as I type but the Bible says not even the Angels know only God Knows. Jesus talks of the signs of his coming he does not give a timeframe!