How much longer before he come back,
Anyone know, let me know please...
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How much longer before he come back,
Anyone know, let me know please...
There has been many things happening nowadays which are very similar to what the book of revelation states will happen prior to Jesus's coming. You might want to read some info about it.
You can read this... and see what you think about it.:
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Free,
I can't prove anything to you concerning the Word of God! It takes faith. You asked when Jesus would return.. even Jesus said that no man would know the day or hour. But when you read the scriptures He gives us signs that His coming is near. In fact, everything is set for the rapture of the church. Man wants proof... God wants faith.
The Bible puts it like this:
Hebrews 11:6 Without faith it is impossible to please God, for he who come to God must believe that He is and HE is a rewarder of those who diligently seek him.
So I can't prove anything to you. I can point to things in the Bible that lets us know that His coming is near. He could come back anytime!
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Originally Posted by METERRE
We live in a universe, in which many books were written, many of the stories in these different books came to past... But if we keep it real, and recognize that, the particular book that you are suggesting for me to read, probably 9 times out of 10 what is written will come to past. My reason is, if I remember correctly there are christians who read this book and are doing things in life to make it come to past. Revelation= destruction
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Originally Posted by Tessy777
Tessy I don't want to have faith and believe. Freethinka want to know. It is that much better knowing than believeng.
The arrival of Jesus was prophesied about centuries before it happened and all the prophetic details concerning his ministry and its purpose were fulfilled. Since all these prophecies concerning his first coming were minutely fulfilled, there is absolutely no basis to doubt that the prophecies concerning his second coming. In short, the fulfillment of the first guarantees the fulfillment of the second.
Can You Believe Bible Prophecy? > The Good News : July/August 2003
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A scientist picked out 48 such prophecies and determined that the probability of one man randomly fulfilling them all is 1 in 10 to the exponent of 157. That is one followed by 157 zeros! Your chances of winning a typical lottery jackpot is about 1 in 108. (100,000,000) Yet, Jesus fulfilled all the prophecies!
I am God, and there is none like Me, declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times things that are not yet done, saying, 'My counsel shall stand.. . '" (Isaiah 46:9-10).
Starman; Freethinka isn't looking for exegesis!! I simply, want someone to come forth with truth. In a court of law. If you don't have no proof. You don't have a case...
Or, in religion, the law is the exact opposite, is this where faith and belief come in.
Freethinka is tickled pink for your answers!
It suprises me that you have so much questions concerning God, yet when you get your answer you are still not satisfied, no one can point to something and says that is God, but by faith we believe in God, for without faith it is impossible to serve God. No one knows the exact the moment of the arrival of God but this is thb last age that we are living in called LAODICEA .
Maril: With faith, you believe there is a god... Not to have faith and belief, and you know there is a god. Do you agree MarylQuote:
Originally Posted by Marily
Islam and muslims also believe the return of Jesus (alaihi salaam)!!
It is not only the Christians who believe this... just for your info!
He is not alive in this world but when he returns he will prove all the wrong that has been said about him all this time since he was take up to God.This is what muslims believe and it is faith that makes the difference and if you do not believe that's no problem with me cause that is your choice to make.. :)
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Originally Posted by firmbeliever
Firm believer do you think, if you know god, it would take the stress out being in such a precarious position, pray and believe, as if you are danging out of a window, of a sky scraper, on a thread
You ask four questions and one demand here: Does Jesus live? [If He does, then] Show me proof. How much loger before he come back? Anyone know? Let me know please[?]Quote:
Does jesus live? Show me proof.
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How much longer before he come back,
anyone know, let me know please...
Does Jesus live? Whether He does or not is a matter of faith. I believe that He does exist. But, does He live as humans do? No. One could say that He lives based upon a broad definition of the term "lives." I cannot prove it, except by the precepts of what I believe to be true in my heart because of the faith I have according to what I believe.
And so, it is foretold by the Book of Revelation as you agree in your statement above. You also would seem to agree with it by what you write. An example is below.Quote:
We live in a universe, in which many books were written, many of the stories in these different books came to past... But if we keep it real, and recognize that, the particular book that you are suggesting for me to read, probably 9 times out of 10 what is written will come to past. My reason is, if I remember correctly there are christians who read this book and are doing things in life to make it come to past. Revelation= destruction
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probably 9 times out of 10 what is written will come to past.
If you want to know that something will come to pass and you think that "it is much better knowing than believeng" then one must presume that you also believe that it will come to pass because you believe it to be a fact that it will be so, without merely believing it to be so, but by knowing it to be a fact.Quote:
Tessy I don't want to have faith and believe. Freethinka want to know. It is that much better knowing than believeng.
Not to have faith and believe, but know that there is a God, would also presume that you believe there to be a God because you know it.Quote:
Marily: With faith, you believe there is a god... Not to have faith and belief, and you know there is a god. Do you agree Marily
I rarely get involved in the heated religious frays on this site because the people involved seem to go around in circles about "proving" their points, when it simply boils down to a matter of faith. It can't be proved. God doesn't ask us to understand everything, but just to have faith. You just have to have faith concerning things of the Bible, if you choose to do that. This is also true in many other religions. It is not an act of scientific reasoning concerning facts that moves a person to have faith in what will happen concerning the Christian beliefs, but faith in what the Holy Spirit does in working through every one of us. No one here can convert another person. That would be an act of God through the Holy Spirit based upon an act of faith of the person presenting the witness of the Gospel to the other person.
Yes, this is where faith and belief come in.Quote:
Starman; Freethinka isn't looking for exegesis!! I simply, want someone to come forth with truth. In a court of law. If you don't have no proof. You don't have a case... Or, in religion, the law is the exact opposite, is this where faith and belief come in.
Truly, you present a dichotomy within yourself, because you indicate and imply that you know there is a God because you want to know when Jesus will return. You did not ask "I don't believe in God or Jesus. So, why would Christians believe that Jesus will return someday?" You presume that He will because you have not stated a disbelief in what Christians believe. Only that "How much longer before he come back, anyone know, let me know please..."
Answers have been given to you. And, they have been good ones.Quote:
Freethinka is tickled pink for your answers!
Now, what exactly is your question? And, what is the point you are trying to make if you are asking questions and then asking more questions in return?
Freethinka, what you are doing here and in the majority of your other posts amounts to trolling in my book. I'm going to get an admin to have a long look at your posts and decide if you have a future on this site. If you want to stay then I suggest you stop challenging people's beliefs so vehemently and with so little respect, you do not have all the answers.
Sorrry Capuchin, Freethinka want to know? What book you are talking about? And which site Freethinka has been trolling? Honestly Capuchin could you tell me what book you are talking about?Quote:
Originally Posted by Capuchin
All the questions I asked are relevant questions that I cannot seem to get answers for no matter where Freethinka turn, I was on line and this wonderful site popped up to my delight and now Freethinka is being accused of trolling. First I think freedom of thought shoud be understood. To have freedom of thought the views are endless.
It deeply saddens me to (know) when one is on a search for real truth, to be accused of plagiarism, Freethinka is left speechless, but still bursting with thought, one must understand if you are real ,and true, real and true thoughts will come to you... I hope you see where my disapproval lie...
In other words we live in a universe, and so our thoughts are universal.
I would also like the administrator to get involved, so that your (belief) of me trolling your site. Will be finally proven fruitless.
Like I said in my opening remarks sorry, Freethinka would also like to have an apology, for your threats of disbarment of this wonderful site.
Enjoy this wonderful day Cupchin. I honestly mean it.
In my book is an idiom for "in my opinion"
You do not listen to the answers that people give you. You just keep asking more questions. That is what makes me think you are a troll.
If christians have a right to believe in what isn't proven, and a right to continue to spread its doctrine, unproven 24-7... Who are you; to say I got My answers, and when I should be satisfied. You are you, and I am me, so how do you (know) my fulfillment, also I get a sense that that there is a big secret... That is guarded by asking questions is an offense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Capuchin
Asking questions is not an offence. Asking questions with the sole purpose to get people riled up is an offence. That is what I think you are doing.
I don't think that's what he's doing. He wants answers, no one can give him any straightforward, they just use the fact that they're believers and they have faith to answer his questions. In my opinion, he's trying to open up eyes, to see reality. There's a difference between the truth and just having faith.
I use to be the same way, I could still be the same way, but I choose to hold my tongue and keep most of my questions to myself.
Religion is a very serious topic. You either believe or you don't, there should be no happy medium.
Self_inflicted_hell , you are on the right track. The questions should be continued to be asked to unveil the beast...Quote:
Originally Posted by self_lnflicted_hell
This is getting scarey.
Everyone has questions! I don't care how religious or how non religious you are. Just some are raised to believe so strongly or others are so warped to even think of asking questions that might interfere with their beliefs.
Hello everybody,
Well I just want to ask a question. Do you have proof that air is in the air? We are breathing but can we see the air? It is there, and we just know it is there. EDIT::::: THIS IS JUST TO EXPLAIN THAT THERE ARE MANY THINGS THAT ARE UNSEEN BUT DOES NOT MEAN THEY DO NOT EXIST.
There are so many things even scientists do not have proof of. Many scientists and many schools teach scientific theories. Which another word or definition of theory is a belief. It is not fact.
All I can say is look at all around you, all around us. Life in itself, can it be explained? For me God is in everything, all around everything and is the start of all the processes and continue to be in the presence of all life. It is a belief. The fact is I am here, and you are. We all are entitled to share our beliefs and thoughts. For me it is fact. If I were not here or anybody else then there would be no fact. We could not have created ourselves.
Joe
Joe, a scientific theory is fact, it fits all available evidence. We have plenty of proof that air is made of molecules and that "air" is in it.
Your argument has a load of holes.
Actually no it does not have any holes, it is not even an argument. Big bang is a scientific theory, it is not fact.
Evolution is a scientific theory, it is not fact. There are so many theories and all of them are just that theories, not fact.
The air thing was my idea, but as far as scientific theories, it is just that a theory, not FACT.
define:scientific theory - Google Search
Thank you for proving my point "A theory is a former hypothesis that has been tested with repeated experiments and observations and found always to work."
It is fact.
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Originally Posted by Freethinka
Hi Free -
As Tessy said so well, we are unable to "prove" anything. But yes, Faith, is your answer.
Although, you can actually see God and Jesus in others. In the beauty of the things He created. In the miracle of life.
Just as I can not see the love my Mother has for me. I can't see it, I can't touch it, but I believe and have faith that she does. It's the same for the love of God.
I see God's work on a daily basis. I see it on the face of someone so severely handicap, and yet, when they look up at you, the smile... I know that may sound odd and perhaps it is, but I actually do see the love of God during that time.
I think I am doing more rambling the answering your question :o Sorry.
To believe is to see.
God gave us brains so that we could discover, why then do you disagree with what we have discovered using our god-given abilities?
There have been great discoveries, scientific and others. God has given us all abilities. There are some things that just remain theories, and are not fact. For me the fact is nothing would be possible without God.
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Originally Posted by Capuchin
Isn't nothing is wrong with the absolute truth.
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Originally Posted by Allheart
No... To believe is to not be sure of what you are looking at or dealing with..
Well Freethinka,
This is how I see it. YOU say you have to SEE to believe... and GOD says you don't. When Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead there were many people there... they saw it with their own eyes!! And yet, the Bible records that some left.. unbelieving!! So there you go. Jesus raised a man from the dead!! He proved over and over who He was and yet... some still said NO! You don't need proof dude.. what you need is faith. I can't give that to you... what you need to do is ask God for it.
Hebrews 11:1
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
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Originally Posted by Tessy777
Tessy777: what a trick proposition, you seem to have mastered your skills in persuasion, Freethinka reject the bait. It all mean, what you are saying is that, I would be a child of zorasta. Freethinka devoid of faith, and I would continue to be devoid of belief!
Joe, as far as I see it, creationism is an approximation of the truth, it fits all of the evidence of speciation that was found 2000 years ago. Evolution is a new theory which is a closer approximation to the truth, we have new evidence that creationism fails to describe, evolution is a theory that explains all of the evidence that we have at the present time. Both are theories, but one fits more of the facts than another. This makes creationism an obsolete theory, it has been superceded by a more powerful theory. Much like how Newtonian gravity was superceded by the more powerful general relativity.
It's certain in the scientific community that creationism isn't the truth, there's too much that it cannot explain in the same way that it's certain that Newtonian gravity is not the truth. General relativity and Evolution describe all of the available evidence, they are better approximations of the truth. As we discover more evidence, we will need better approximations. This is how science works. Theories are not "just theories" they are the truth as far as we can possibly know it. Please be careful not to misrepresent science through ignorance, as I'm certain that that is not your intention.
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Originally Posted by Capuchin
Capuchin I couldn't say it any better Freethinka agree.
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Originally Posted by Freethinka
Proof
The proof provided has to be relevant to the accusation? Your accusation seems to be that we have no logical basis to believe in Jesus' return. I provided the logical reason why we are justified in believing in Jesus' return. If indeed you see no logic in such a logical response then you need to take a course in logic 101 in order benefit from any logical answer given. Otherwise you will continue not to see the woods for the trees and decide to evade the whole perplexing conundrum by simply describing yourself as feeling tickled "pink."
Exegesis
First, in reference to you, I am primarily using logic, or cogent reasoning in order to explain the Christian reason for our belief, not biblical exegesis. Why? Because to use biblical exegesis with a person who disbelieves the Bible is illogical. Since your question is one that seems to challenge the logic of Christian belief in the second coming of Jesus. So I provide you with logical reasons we believe.
Biblical Exegesis
From the Catholic Encyclopedia
Exegesis is the branch of theology which investigates and expresses the true sense of Sacred Scripture.
Biblical Exegesis
The scriptures I provided needed no exegesis because the meaning of what they are saying is clear. What God foretells comes to pass. So which particular scripture you accuse me of trying to shed light upon via an explanation is beyond me. Again, pray tell!
Truth
Mark 13:32
"But concerning that day or that hour, no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
The truth is that no Christian claims to know the exact time of Jesus' return. So if no Christian is claiming to know--why are you asking Christians to tell you? Furthermore, if Christians keep telling you they don't know, why do you keep asking them to tell you?
Is it logical to insist that Christians know when they clearly keep telling you that they don't?
Court of Law
If in a court of law I am asked the basis for my trust in promises found in a certain book
And I tell the judge that I trust those promises because the book's promises have never failed, he would view the basis for my trust in those promises as justified. In fact, distrust of such an unfailing book would be viewed in a court of law as illogical and totally unjustified.
Here is an informative site providing you with a logical reason why we trust the Bible as the word of God and its promises as trustworthy.
Prophecies Concerning Israel
Israel To Be Conquered By Assyria
Israel To Return To Their Land
Judah To Go Into Babylonian Exile
The People Would Return From Exile
Rebirth Of Israel As A Nation
Prophecies Concerning Israel's Neighbors
Prophecy Against Tyre
Prophecy Against Sidon
Prophecy Against Edom
Prophecies Concerning World History
Rise And Fall Of Babylon
Rise And Fall Of Persia
Rise And Fall Of Greece
Prophecies Concerning Jesus
Time Of Death
Manner Of Death
Conclusion
Proving the Bible is Divine Through Prophecy
BTW
This is a bit off topic but I think you should know that not all scientists believe in a Godless universe. Also, please don't make an appeal to bandwagon or the majority is always right fallacy.
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Today there are thousands of scientists who are creationists and who repudiate any form of molecules-to-man evolution in their analysis and use of scientific data. Creation scientists can now be found in literally every discipline of science, and their numbers are increasing rapidly. Evolutionists are finding it increasingly difficult to maintain the fiction that evolution is "science" and creation science is "religion". When news media personnel and others make such statements today, they merely reveal their own liberal social philosophies — not their awareness of scientific facts.
Lists of scientists are divided into sections. Choose a list below.
» Scientists in the Physical Sciences
» Scientists in the Biological Sciences
» Scientist List FAQ
Creation Scientists - Institute for Creation Research
Do real scientists believe in Creation? - ChristianAnswers.Net
Why Some Scientists Believe in God - Jehovah's Witnesses Official Web Site
Hello again. Well all this that Freethinka has been saying sounds to me like he's stating that there's either science, or there's God. (Correct me if I'm wrong)
But In the Bible it also says that God created science. And He gave us a brain with which we could use it. If He hadn't created science, or given us the abilities our brain has, then we'd know nothing about how this world works. Scientists have been discovering principles used throughout the Bible and by Jesus which barely now they are proving to be right.
That molecule thing to me is very senseless. If we had been created by some cell or something of that nature, then what created the cell? And what created the thing that created the cell? And so on and so forth. What do you think was the very first molecule, cell or whatever that ever existed? How did that very first thing come to exist in the first place?? I am left with no answer, aren't you?
And just repeating what others have already told you, the Book of Rev. says Jesus will come when we least expect it, so how in the world are we supposed to know. Yet again some of those prophecies have to be fulfilled prior to his coming. Those will be the signs.
Actually we're not supposed to know the exact time he'll come, because Jesus wants us to be prepared, as in follow him, no matter if he won't come in our lifetime. To live each day as if it were our last. To not have to worry about knowing when he'll come because you will know that you'll be saved whenever he comes.
So conclusion... science is not only of man. God created science. But one cell did not create man... there's no proof.
It says in Revelations that God will appear in the beginning of the end of the world to collect all his disciples and followers and take them to the gates of Heaven. The rest shall be left to suffer a fate far worse than death.
I have a question for you, is the sun going to rise in the morning? Show Me Proof, or are you like me and just have faith that it is going to.
So have a good day tomorrow.
To answer your question, with the rotation of the Earth on its axis, which I am almost positive hasn't stopped, yes the sun will rise in the morning.Quote:
Originally Posted by letmetellu
No one is trying to force any belief on you. We all our entitled to our own opinions and you clearly want nothing more then to bring down the options of others. If no one is asking you to place faith in heavenly father and Jesus Christ then why are you asking people to doubt their beliefs? This forum is not designed for picking fights.
Your post is confusing. Are you talking to the OP or me? Use the quote user button:)Quote:
Originally Posted by babieface85
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