I was a leader in VBS this year at my church. We did the 7 c's of History... Creation, corruption, catastrophe,confusion, Christ and the Cross, Consummation. It was really interesting.

I was wondering how many Christians believed that the earth is indeed only 6,000 years old and that God made the dinosaurs when he made man. We taught that Noah had dinosaurs on the ark with him. They had scientific evidence, facts about fossils. Ken Ham's group recorded it and it will be shown all over the world. Did you know that they recently found dinosaurs bones that still had blood cells and tissue in it? Interesting huh?

I was raised to believe in the"gap" theory. This is all new information for me to be honest but I am being really open to it. Any thoughts?

I believe in God but I do not believe that the earth is only 6,000 years old... it's just not logical to me.

Of course I am one of the even stranger science people I don't believe dinosaurs really existed, but the evidence of them is merely a trick of satan to cause people to fall away from the real truth.

The age from adam to now I agree is 6000, just not sure the years adam was in eden?? And if creation was one day as we know it.

Fr_Chuck... how can one find it within themselves to believe that? As much faith as I have, I'm not sure I could believe that because I'm such a logical person. Just curious!

I think the answer to this question comes down to what you believe more - scientific evidence, or your faith. You can be a Christian and not believe everything that is put out there by other Christians (consider that many sects contradict one another), so you are free to decide for yourself if the Earth is 6000 years old or not. If you have the ability to let yourself believe such things, and that belief satisfies your needs, go for it. If you think it is illogical and perhaps those who have said it/believe it are wrong, then go that way.

Maybe it will help if you do some reading on both sides of the argument. I'm sure a few Google searches will give you more information that you could ever possibly want! Visit a museum, talk to an archeologist (or paleontologist) to get the science POV. See if there is a religious leader in your area who believes the 6000 year theory and talk to him/her. Once you have more information you can make an informed decision.

Why not, I guess, how can you believe he would not ? He is called the prince of this world, he has all the power of the angels, Why could he not take some bones of some animals and move and set them them orders. Perhaps even made them from other bones and the such just to decieve mankind.

And of course I did not say it was a popular belief, but science has little understanding, carbon dating has been shown several times not to be as reliable as people are lead to believe. O2 dating has shown better promice.

And even at carbon dating, it is assuming carbon at some max level, going down, if all things were created at various "levels" or the energy used to create the earth can all change it, since carbon dating does not consider Gods power at creation as part of its formulas.

It is because I am logical I have decided this, because they just don't fit into anything, even in evolution, they were the stronger of the animals, they should have survived, if creation, and they were not created ( if they were not) then they can not exist.

I have worked in the church in areas of faith, and in area of things of the spirit so much I know there are many things that science and logic can not explain that are real,

But with that, pesonally I couldn't care less if they were real or not, since they are gone and I don't have to clean up after one.
But since they are used so much to try to destroy the idea of faith and christianity, I would say that anyone thing, that causes so much trouble, has to have been developed by satan.

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Originally Posted by Tessy777

I was a leader in VBS this year at my church. We did the 7 c's of History... Creation, corruption, catastrophe,confusion, Christ and the Cross, Consummation. It was really interesting.
I was wondering how many Christians believed that the earth is indeed only 6,000 years old and that God made the dinosaurs when he made man.? We taught that Noah had dinosaurs on the ark with him. They had scientific evidence, facts about fossils. Ken Ham's group recorded it and it will be shown all over the world. Did you know that they recently found dinosaurs bones that still had blood cells and tissue in it? Interesting huh?
I was raised to believe in the"gap" theory. this is all new information for me to be honest but I am being really open to it. Any thoughts?

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I believe that the earth is very young (between 6000 & 10,000 years old). If you believe that a day is as a 1000 years to God and that we within a 7 "day" (thousand year cycle) and that we are about to embark on the 7th and final day of this earth age, then the earth is probably about 6 to 7 thousand years old.

Wooly Mammoth's were found in artic regions almost fully intact and with buttercups still in their mouths. There may have been Mammoths on the ark but those found had been swept away by the flood of Noah.

Man was made on the 6th day. Beasts were made on the 5th day but since we are talking about literal 24 hour cycles... who's counting.

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Originally Posted by Tessy777

I was a leader in VBS this year at my church. We did the 7 c's of History... Creation, corruption, catastrophe,confusion, Christ and the Cross, Consummation. It was really interesting.I was wondering how many Christians believed that the earth is indeed only 6,000 years old and that God made the dinosaurs when he made man.? We taught that Noah had dinosaurs on the ark with him. They had scientific evidence, facts about fossils. Ken Ham's group recorded it and it will be shown all over the world. Did you know that they recently found dinosaurs bones that still had blood cells and tissue in it? Interesting huh?I was raised to believe in the"gap" theory. this is all new information for me to be honest but I am being really open to it. Any thoughts?

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If you believe that a day to God is as a 1000 years to man and that this earth age is about to embark on the millennial 7th day, then I would suggest that the earth is somewhere between 6000 to 7000 years old. Some say that it could be closer to 10,000. Regardless, ours is a young earth.

Wooly Mammaths were found in the artic region almost completely intact. They even had buttercups in their mouths. Clearly, the ones found hadn't made it on to the ark as they had been swept away by the flood of Noah.

Technically, dinosaurs fall into the category of "beast" so were created on the 5th day while man was created on the 6th day. But, since the days were literal 24 hour periods, who's counting?

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If you believe that a day to God is as a 1000 years to man and that this earth age is about to embark on the millenial 7th day, then I would suggest that the earth is somewhere between 6000 to 7000 years old. Some say that it could be closer to 10,000. Regardless, ours is a young earth.

Wooly Mammaths were found in the artic region almost completely intact. They even had buttercups in their mouths. Clearly, the ones found hadn't made it on to the ark as they had been swept away by the flood of Noah.

Technically, dinosaurs fall into the category of "beast" so were created on the 5th day while man was created on the 6th day. But, since the days were literal 24 hour periods, who's counting?

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Dude, I'm starting to agree with you. I'm scared... lol :)

You're right, Tessy, you asked what members here believe. I guess I got caught up in what I was writing and didn't provide my answer!

I'm a woman of science - I believe the Earth is much, much older than 6000 years.

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Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck

Of course I am one of the even stranger science people I don't believe dinosaurs really existed, but the evidence of them is merley a trick of satan to cause people to fall away from the real truth.

The age from adam to now I agree is 6000, just not sure the years adam was in eden ??? and if creation was one day as we know it.

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Too much evidence suggests that dinosaurs did exist in the past.

Job 41:1, "Canst thou draw out leviathan with an hook? Or his tongue with a cord which thou lettest down? "Leviathan" represents some sort of reptilian creature.

The only trick that Satan may of performed regarding this issue is to convince people that dinosaurs did not exist.

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Why not, I guess, how can you believe he would not ? He is called the prince of this world, he has all the power of the angels, Why could he not take some bones of some animals and move and set them them orders. Perhaps even made them from other bones and the such just to decieve mankind.

And of course I did not say it was a populare beleif, but scinece has little understanding, carbon dating has been shown several times not to be as reliable as people are lead to beleive. O2 dating has shown better promice.

And even at carbon dating, it is assuming carbon at some max level, going down, if all things were created at various "levels" or the energy used to create the earth can all change it, since carbon dating does not consider Gods power at creation as part of its formulas.

It is because I am logical I have decided this, because they just don't fit into anything, even in evolution, they were the stronger of the animals, they should have survived, if creation, and they were not created ( if they were not) then they can not exist.

I have worked in the church in areas of faith, and in area of things of the spirit so much I know there are many things that science and logic can not explain that are real,

But with that, pesonally I could care less if they were real or not, since they are gone and I don't have to clean up after one.
But since they are used so much to try to destroy the idea of faith and christianity, I would say that anyone thing, that causes so much trouble, has to have been developed by satan.

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Well, yes Satan can do many evil things but last time I checked he couldn't create. He didn't make bones and place them all over this earth. Please don't take this the wrong way but... I don't see that you are logical at all. We have dinosaur bones... we have evidence. I agree that carbon dating isn't accurate.

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Why not, I guess, how can you believe he would not ? He is called the prince of this world, he has all the power of the angels, Why could he not take some bones of some animals and move and set them them orders. Perhaps even made them from other bones and the such just to decieve mankind.

First of all...Satan is an individual...not an omnipotent god. I doubt that he went around the world finding huge, gigantic, oversized bones and went to all the work to form them into other giant, overisized bones. What would he possibly gain by doing that?

And of course I did not say it was a populare beleif, but scinece has little understanding, carbon dating has been shown several times not to be as reliable as people are lead to beleive. O2 dating has shown better promice.

I agree with you here. Carbon dating is a total, unreliable farce. That doesn't mean that large reptiles didn't exist at some point in history.

And even at carbon dating, it is assuming carbon at some max level, going down, if all things were created at various "levels" or the energy used to create the earth can all change it, since carbon dating does not consider Gods power at creation as part of its formulas.

Again, I agree. The conditions of the pre-flood earth were much different than the post flood era. Adam was created as a full grown man with age. Therefore, there is not reason that we should not believe that the earth was not created with age as well.

It is because I am logical I have decided this, because they just don't fit into anything, even in evolution, they were the stronger of the animals, they should have survived, if creation, and they were not created ( if they were not) then they can not exist.

Look at it this way. Before the flood, conditions were far more favorable to a large animal like a dinosaur to exist. There were plants galore and the climate was mile worldwide. After the flood, the majority of the earth's plant life was destroyed and there was a major climate change. The dinosaurs could have starved to death. Just a thought.

But with that, pesonally I could care less if they were real or not, since they are gone and I don't have to clean up after one.

LOL. I have to agree again. Who cares if dinosaurs existed or not. Not important to man's salvation.

But since they are used so much to try to destroy the idea of faith and christianity, I would say that anyone thing, that causes so much trouble, has to have been developed by satan.

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I mostly agree again that bones and archeology are heavily used to dispute God's creation. But I am a truth seeker and if they did exist, it's an interesting fact worth knowing.

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Originally Posted by Tessy777

I was a leader in VBS this year at my church. We did the 7 c's of History... Creation, corruption, catastrophe,confusion, Christ and the Cross, Consummation. It was really interesting.

I was wondering how many Christians believed that the earth is indeed only 6,000 years old and that God made the dinosaurs when he made man.? We taught that Noah had dinosaurs on the ark with him. They had scientific evidence, facts about fossils. Ken Ham's group recorded it and it will be shown all over the world. Did you know that they recently found dinosaurs bones that still had blood cells and tissue in it? Interesting huh?

I was raised to believe in the"gap" theory. this is all new information for me to be honest but I am being really open to it. Any thoughts?

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I believe that scientists and man made measurements to determine how old is something is very much flawed and we can not truly know about the creation and aspects of it. It is all theory. Many scientific facts are just truly theories that scientists have come up with.

How the hell does somebody know that something is billions of years old. Not my idea of scientific fact.

I too believe that men and dinosaurs lived together. Not in the same bed mind you, lol JK. I hope you know what I am getting at.

6,000 years old seems a lot more realistic to me. The thing with the billions of years old theory from the scientists the only reason why they have used those numbers is so they can verify their own theory about evolution.

My thoughts are yes the earth is young. It is not as old as scientists theorize. I also believe we cohabitate with the dinasours at one time.

Tessy777 agrees: Dude... come on Satan is GOOD but he ain't that good. We got the bones!


There's NOTHING about Satan that is good. That's a fact Jack.

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Tessy777 agrees: Dude...come on Satan is GOOD but he ain't that good. We got the bones!


There's NOTHING about Satan that is good. That's a fact Jack.

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AJ,
I didn't mean he was "good" and you know it. I meant he was good at what he does... why do we always have to fight? You need to face the facts that I am right and you... are not... bummer huh?

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AJ,
I didn't mean he was "good" and you know it. I meant he was good at what he does....why do we always have to fight? you need to face the facts that i am right and you...are not....bummer huh?

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I know it but knew I would get your goat. LOL. Me... fight? Nada! Just stating a few simple facts. I know that kind of makes you angry when I do that but it's my job. Someone has to do it.

First let me answer the question. Have to go with science on this one 4.5 billion years old.

Second carbon 14 dating is only accurate to 60,000 years and is done by measuring the decay of the carbon 14 atom which is an unstable isotope of carbon to the stable isotope of carbon 12. It is not used to determine the age of the earth at least not to say that it is any more than 60,000 years old.

Third let me state that it doesn't matter to me what you believe I simply try put the facts out there. If you choose to believe in something that goes against observation that is your thing and doesn't effect me. Now that said let me put some facts out there.
Scientific theory is stated as theory because it evolves as we get more evidence and isn't a law until it is proven that nothing more can be added since we don't have an exact date, hour, minute and second the earth formed it will remain a theory probably forever because we will probably never have that info just to hard to get.
Theory also is different in science than a guess. In science a guess is your first step then you gather evidence, once you have sufficient evidence to support your guess you submit your paper to be peer reviewed by a panel and if the panel agrees with your evidence your guess becomes a theory.
My last point that is that since the earth is a geologically active planet earth rocks can't be used to date earth because the get melted and reformed every couple of million years or so, because of this they used meteorites that fell to earth and dated those. Check out The Age of the Earth it has most of the reasons we feel the earth is 4.5 billion years old. I encourage everyone to read evidence on both sides and decide for yourself.

I too, believe in a young, created earth. I have wrestled with evolution being a "fact" for a number of decades. I believe that there were dinosaurs because there is concrete evidence for them. I also believe that dinosaurs existed at the same time as man.

Because I am a Christian, I believe in what the Bible says and teaches. I, by know means, am any sort of expert on the Bible, nor on the theory of evolution. But, I will keep studying the Bible and other books in order to bolster my faith. Also, I find discussions and debates on this site to be interesting and informative.

I just finished reading an excellent book titled, "In Search of the Genesis World - Debunking the Evolution Myth", by Erich A Von Fange. I liked it so much, and want to be able to use quotes from it as a tool, that I am reading it again.

Life had been started from 2 people-Adam&Eve. Now it reached to 600crore. 6000years enough for it. Other religion, especially hinduism already said this, age of kali or kaliage now reaching near 6000years.

I believe that that there were "dinosaurs" the same time as man, but I also believe the earth is far older then 6,000 years old. I am definitely a believer in the "gap theory".

Radiocarbon dating is not inaccurate, it is accurate to 40,000 years ago with an accuracy of at least 700 years, so they can tell you with high confidence if a fossil is over 40,000 years old.

There is also Potassium-argon dating, this is very accurate for rocks that are over 100,000 years old, you're not telling me that satan created every rock on earth so that when we date them we find them to be billions of years old? I thought creating the earth was god's job :rolleyes:

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i always thoughtt that the earth was here for millions of years or something. where did god come from? thats what i dont under stand

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If you believe in "Cause and Effect" then you understand that there can only be one first Cause. If the first Cause was caused, then it was not the first cause. Therefore, since the first Cause was un-caused then the first Cause is eternal for nothing came before it. God is the first Cause and is eternal. Since the earth was intelligently designed, the first Cause is intelligent.

You can ask the same question of those who believe in evolution. They love to claim that the earth's climate and chemical conditions were just right for a single cell to pop into existence with no help from an outside source yet they have no way of explaining where the earth came from; where the chemicals came from; what caused the temperature to be just so, etc. It actually takes a greater faith to actually believe in evolution than it does to believe in God, the Creator and Designer of the universe.

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You can ask the same question of those who believe in evolution. They love to claim that the earth's climate and chemical conditions were just right for a single cell to pop into existence with no help from an outside source yet they have no way of explaining where the earth came from; where the chemicals came from; what caused the temperature to be just so, etc. It actually takes a greater faith to actually believe in evolution than it does to believe in God, the Creator and Designer of the universe.

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Completely wrong, it only requires faith if you believe that Earth is a special place in the universe, as you do, because eyou believe that God created it.

However, people who believe in evolution also believe in scientific principles such as the homogenaity of the universe. We have no problem in explaining why the Earth is just right for life. It's just right for life because if it wasn't life wouldn't be here to realise that it wasn't just right for life (see the Anthropic principle). Of the billions of planets out there, the chance that at least one can support life is very high.
We know exactly where the Earth comes from, the physics of planet formation are well understood. Light elements come from stellar processes. The temperature is caused by the distance from the sun (come on, how could you state we didn't know that?).

I don't claim to understand your religion or belief, that's why I ask questions about it. You seem to believe that you understand my beliefs completely and wish to make people believe less in my beliefs by making uninformed statements about it. Please treat me and my beliefs with respect as I treat you and yours. If you don't understand, then ask, rather than make sweeping statements incorporating your misunderstandings.

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Completely wrong, it only requires faith if you believe that Earth is a special place in the universe, as you do, becaus eyou believe that God created it.
However, people who believe in evolution also believe in scientific principles such as the homogenaity of the universe. We have no problem in explaining why the Earth is just right for life. It's just right for life because if it wasnt life wouldnt be here to realise that it wasnt just right for life (see the Anthropic principle). Of the billions of planets out there, the chance that at least one can support life is very high.
We know exactly where the Earth comes from, the physics of planet formation are well understood. Light elements come from stellar processes. The temperature is caused by the distance from the sun (come on, how could you state we didnt know that?).
I don't claim to understand your religion or belief, that's why I ask questions about it. You seem to believe that you understand my beliefs completely and wish to make people believe less in my beliefs by making uninformed statements about it. Please treat me and my beliefs with respect as I treat you and yours. If you don't understand, then ask, rather than make sweeping statements incorporating your misunderstandings.

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It still takes a leap of faith to believe in evolution (,the theory of) and there still are no credible explanations as to where the ingredients that made evolution "possible" came from. Well, someone might say, "the rocks were formed by the blending of this chemical with carbon which was pressurized to a certain pressure with such and such heat...." But no explanation for the origin of the chemicals, the carbon, the energy to add pressure, the heat source, etc. Leap of pure faith in theories and man's own vain "intelligence."

It takes a much bigger leap of faith to believe that satan put those bones there to test us.

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no explanation for the origin of the chemicals, the carbon, the energy to add pressure, the heat source,

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All of these are explained in undergraduate level astrophysics and physics. Just because you don't understand something doesn't meant that there's no scientifically accepted explanation.

The one thing we don't understand is where the energy came from in the beginning of the universe. You say that God being eternal as the first cause would be the best explanation. I'm sure that Occam's razor and the majority of the scientific community would say that energy being eternal would be an equal and less faith-based assumption.

I'd like to hear your beliefs on why we can date rocks back for billions of years, and see billions of light years away, if the earth is indeed only 6000 years old?

I can see 2 explanations:

1) God created the world in the present state 6000 years ago in order to intentionally decieve us (not very nice of him, why would an omniscient, omnipotent being need to decieve little old us?)
2) Satan created the world in the present state 6000 years ago in order to intentionally decieve us (not very nice of him, but he's satan and that's okay. Seems pretty omnipotent of him though?)

As I said, I don't understand your beliefs so I would like to hear your views.

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Of course I am one of the even stranger science people I don't believe dinosaurs really existed, but the evidence of them is merley a trick of satan to cause people to fall away from the real truth.

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The evidence that the planet earth is billions of years old, and that life has been here for at least 1 billion years, is (forgive the pun) rock solid. If you truly believe in a young earth, then you disagree with our fundamental understanding of geology (plate tectonics), anthropology, archeology, astronomy, physics, chemistry, and biology. And if you think through this "argument" that all that evidence is there simply to trick us, then by that same reasoning one could just as well argue that the world is only 100 years old - i.e, that all the evidence of human history older than 100 years is also some trick. Take that argument it to its extreme, and you could argue that the world was created yesterday (i.e, your own memories of what you did the day before yesterday is a trick, implanted in your brain by a dark power). Clearly this is a nonsense argument. The only rational solution is for christians (and I count myself as one) to reconcile the Genesis account and scientific evidence is to understand that both accounts have their place and serve their purpose, but you should not try to confuse the two.

Now I am Christian, but Personally, I am a believer in evolution. I think the Earth is Much Much older than a mere 6,000 years. There was a movie made in 1960 about evolution and religion called "inherit the wind". There was a great quote from this movie, which I have always liked very much. I don't have the actual quote, but It said something along the lines of there is no way to know or understand the amount of time that passed during the creation of the world. There is no way to know how long God thought a day was. A day could have been a literal 24 hour period, or it could have been a year, 1,000 years, 1 million year, etc. there is no way to know.

There is so much evidence showing that the earth is older than we originally thought. Why is it so hard to acknowledge that? I agree that carbon dating is not "as" accurate as we would like, but it is pretty accurate. I mean God gave us minds that could expand for a reason, to learn.

As for the wolly mammoth thing someone mentioned earlier. The reason that mammoth had its food still in its mouth and in its stomach, if I remember correctly, is because it was frozen solid in a matter of seconds during by falling into icy conditions, maybe a river or lake. completely preserved. You can read about that here: Woolly Mammoth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is just my personal beliefs, and Im in no way saying that it is the truth. I am a person of faith, I believe in God and I don't need prove of his existence, but I also believe there is room for science there. I try not to pretend that I have the capapbility to understand what God can understand. I figure, he gave me a brain to use, and that is what I do. He made me the way I am for a reason, and I like to believe in what makes sense to me. The scientific findings make sense to me, and many of these things have been proven, and God made those men and women in science as smart as they are for a reason, and that is to help us expand our knowledge and understand our world..

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I'd like to hear your beliefs on why we can date rocks back for billions of years, and see billions of light years away, if the earth is indeed only 6000 years old?

I can see 2 explanations:

1) God created the world in the present state 6000 years ago in order to intentionally decieve us (not very nice of him, why would an omniscient, omnipotent being need to decieve little old us?)
2) Satan created the world in the present state 6000 years ago in order to intentionally decieve us (not very nice of him, but he's satan and that's okay. Seems pretty omnipotent of him though?)

As I said, I don't understand yoru beliefs so i would like to hear your views.

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I believe God created a mature Earth and a mature universe. Just as Adam and Eve were created as mature humans, man and woman. Even though they were just minutes old they were mature and it would look like they had been many years old. So to with the Earth and universe.

So why does God want to decieve us in this way?

I don't see it as deceiving, but that we as finite beings, do not fully understand the workings of the infinite.

I don't understand that either. Why not start at 0 instead of at +1.5 billion?

I am a conservative Christian who believes that mainstream science is correct in dating the earth to billions of years old.

... but I also believe that the universe was Created... and that science probably knows less than they think they do - and that it certainly is possible that the earth is only 6000 years old.

Plus we have much evidence of human history before 4000BC, did he create that too? Seems a bit redundant to create the garden of eden (all new with no history), and a whole world that looks like it's already been lived in.

If God creates a big shade tree. Lets say, fifty feet tall, He would do it in an instant. A person would walk up to that tree and study it, then would have to say "that tree must be eighty years old". Even though it was created just hours ago, it would look as if it was eighty years old.

I guess that's why they call it 'blind faith'.

I like your point Cap...

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Tessy777 disagrees: hmmm? Well God says man is 6,000 years old... period. I don't care what science thinks it has found.. . the earth.. I don't know?

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Tessy, I ask that you have respect for my beliefs, like I have respect for yours. Talk to me like I am human like you.

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Tessy, i ask that you have respect for my beliefs, like i have respect for yours. Talk to me like I am human like you.

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I don't know what you read there but I just didn't agree with you. I wasn't rude or unkind. I just said what I believe to be the truth. Geesh! Dude don't get testy on me.