None of that matters. It's not about you and it is not about her anymore. If she has decided to keep the baby, you will just have to deal with the responsibility and so will she, but now it's really not about either of you. It is about this child that is going to brought in to this world. Whether you take part in this child's life or not, he or she will always be a part of you and it is not fair to make this child pay for his/her parents shortcomings. My daughter has had to grow up with the knowledge of her father, but him never playing an active part in her life and I tell you it breaks my heart whenever her heart breaks for him. Think about what you would be giving up if you didn't take part, because you don't want to change your mind in the future and have to try to make up for "lost time" and discover that it is too late. Just think about this before you decide anything. And don't hate her, as cruel as she may be acting, she is still the mother of your child and she deserves as much respect as you deserve.

Spiral Jane
I could not have said that better! It is about the child now.

I think Fr_Chuck has given the best advice on this one!

WHY do men think ABORTION is nothing more than getting a TOOTH PULLED or something?
It's MURDER!!
Read the BIBLE MR is my advice to YOU!

Abortion should never be a option for anyone! There are people out there who can't have children and would love to be a parent; if she decides she wants to give the baby up.You guys made a child together! Maybe it's not revenge, maybe she wants to raise HER child and not murder him/her; maybe she says its revenge because she can't cope with going at this on her own; and really needs you there supporting her. I'm 18 I've been married almost a year and have a 4 month old daughter, whom I had when I was 17. She is the best thing that could ever happen to me! I was woman enough to raise my child.
I suggest sitting in on one of her ultrasounds; or going to one of her doctor visits.
Children are truly blessings no matter how old or young you are! Maybe one day you will be able to experience it. This is a decision that will change the rest of your life; for the best or for the worst!
Now that you are "grown up" and you are going to be a father you guys need to sit down and have a grown conversation and come to terms. She shouldn't have to worry about talking to you because every time you guys do you're going to ask if she's killed the baby yet. Maybe it will turn out for the best.
And if she does have an abortion I really hope you stay to watch what they have to do to that precious child.
A child should NEVER have to wander if they were a mistake!

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I'm not saying she should for hevans sakes. I'm saying that if she wants to make all the decisions like so many pregnant girls often do, then she should be prepared to do it all herself to. I am not saying she should have to pay for everything just becuase the dad's father doesn't want to. You're twisting my words around. I'm saying that a girls should do whatever she wants with a kid she shares with someone else, and never respect there wishes, and just want thier money, it's F-up.

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All the decisions? There are only 3 options abort/ adopt/kept -- the only one the father has mentioned is abort.

Now remember when he says she's keEping the baby out of spite --we are hearing ONE SIDE OF THE STORY.

Savage

The person carrying and growing the child in HER womb has a lot more right to decide whether she wants to do it or not than the guy who screwed her without thought of consequence. (GLOVE UP or SHUT UP.) NO ONE has a child for the purposes of messing with someone else financially. There is FAR more involved in raising a child than $$$$$. The fact that anyone could be so little and selfish as to believe that a woman would have a child merely to FUC* with some they slept with is laughable. It speaks to immaturity and lack of the ability to understand what a pregnant (and abandoned) woman is facing. Any woman that says she is going to screw a man financially is NOT keeping a baby for that purpose. She is merely rightfully pissed at being left alone to care for a life she isn't interested in killing and CLEARLY did NOT create on her own. Deal with it.

Well there is certainly "more than meet the eye" here it is actually a sad situation from the perspective of the child. Hopefully the baby will be able to find some one to look to as a father figure.And as Vlee said its really not about money its about this kids rights to have people who want him and love him/her. And this is not the way one shows that.

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now remember when he says shes keEping the baby out of spite --we are hearing ONE SIDE OF THE STORY.

Savage

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That's right, we only have this guys side of the story, yet more than half the responses on here are taking the mother's side... I think that is so far beyond wrong that I do't even know what to say!

You all need to get over your self-rightous selves and get a life. And most certainly stop telling people how to live thiers.

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That's right, we only have this guys side of the story, yet more than half the responses on here are taking the mother's side... I think that is so far beyond wrong that I do't even know what to say!

You all need to get over your self-rightous selves and get a life. And most certainly stop telling people how to live thiers.

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Umm did you forget that this is a Q&A site? That people come here to get advice on how to live their lives? That's what we do here!!

YOU need to stop being so abusive of other people. Insults like "get a life" are NOT welcome here.

What about the baby's side?

Tell you what, Matt: You go right ahead and speak up for the rights of the baby, and I'll keep speaking up for the rights of the mother.

We'll never agree.

But hey! At least someone is speaking up for all sides, right?

Yes Matt, it is the unborn baby today that we are allowed to murder, I watched a film on partial birth abortion and to be honest I can not believe any person could do that to a child.

But we see it in society, what is best for ME, what is MY right not what is better for another person, our society has gotten selfish in its personal desires. And what is next, if killing them right at birth ( partial birth) I can see society saying OK they are only 2 year old, and disabled, lets kill them also. There is little difference, it is stlil the mothers choice??

And we have those that want to do away with the elderly, they complain about their cost on society, and would go though the nursing homes taking away the lifes of any that are not productive to society.

Life has little value or meaning to these type of people, it is all what is best for ME, The US has made life a disposable item up to the courts or a person to decide.

While abortion may be legal in the US, it does not make it right, the choice of 5 judges based on an incorrect ruling ( even the person who brought the case wants it over turned) does not make something right, only legal. For years it was legal to own slaves, did that make it right?

So at times, someone has to stand up and tell those that are so immoral in their beleifs that they don't understand that murder is wrong because it is a personal selfish desire, that they are wrong, no matter what the law says.

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Abortion should never be a option for anyone!

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I'm sorry but that IS taking the option away from everyone. Calling it murder also tries to take it away.

Whether life begins at conception or birth is a religious belief. Making a statement that abortion is murder is imposing your religious beliefs on others.

I am not pro abortion. I would counsel any female to consider the consequences of having one. But I do support their right to make that decision. You clearly don't.

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Tell you what, Matt: You go right ahead and speak up for the rights of the baby, and I'll keep speaking up for the rights of the mother.

We'll never agree.

But hey! At least someone is speaking up for all sides, right?

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Ok for one thing I'm not talking about abortion. I am talking about kids that are already born i.e.. The kids right to have a father that cares about him. Kids out of the womb also have rights. But since you brought it up the mother has the choice (generally) to get pregnant, the baby has none. The mother has the right to not get pregnant, not extinguish a life.

Ok, I'm all for ppl's rights, but a kid not born and completely developed doesn't have much. My opinion is that its wrong to make everyone suffer and yourself due to a bad choice. Just because I'd take the pill or if I had to get a abortion, either there really the same... anyway, I'm not selfish, cruel or all about myself. I care about my fiancé, and other's more then myself. BUT if your not ready to have a kid you shouldn't be frowned on for not having on.e. Grow up people, no offense but it's the 21st century. Some people make bad chocies for no good reason, but I like to think many more do things for the right reasons. Doctor's tried to help women and their families with this and created ways to delay or stop pregnancy. Not all of us veiw what we did as a mistake. I have a healthy sex life and guess what? I'm not going to stop just because someone is stupid and tries to make me feel bad or tries to boss me around. If I get pregnant and don't want to be, then I'm taking a pill. I'm not rdy for kids, if I ever am more then a few months along id change my story about delaying or stopping pregnancy. But seriously, its my body and every women's yes, BUT if your with a man it is his body and life as well. SORRY to tell you, if you don't think so, then you have no reaspect for your man in my opinion. I'm not saying if he tells you to shoot yourself do it, figure it out.

Oh and are you also saying that a raped women must have the kid? F that. If you said no she doesn't have to, then right their your being a hypocrite and saying abortion aka ''delaying or stopping pg'' is OK in certain situaions and you my friend need it grow up. Its all or nothing. Pick or choose. You sure can't ride both sides of the fence. I know a chick who was raped and got pg. She had an abortion because she didn't have the means of taking care of a child AND every time she'd look at it she'd know it was because she was raped. That's great huh? So I backed her up. I'd do the same. Why bother wasting 9 months of hell then giving to adoption? That's stupid, just get it out and then its over. Move on. She did. _That was just a story to explain myself.

Well lets all just be glad our mothers didn't consider us "stupid mistakes."

Heh, my mother didn't want me, she had sex because my dad bet he could screw a fat chick. Look here I am! Lol, anyone else have a crapy birth story?

Don't feel bad. Mom stopped taking her birth control and by the time she confessed it to my dad, she was already pregnant, she just didn't know it. Lol

And my fiancé only had sex with his ex because he was horney hand hungover/drunk, and she ended up knocked up.

By the way, since you are the only one that cares Raynefreak, he has childsupport court in two weeks, and in a month, I have court with his ex from where she keyed my car. The estimated damage is worth $840.35! And I only paid $500 for my car... lol talk about bad Karma for her...

So how have you been? I'm not on here much. For the oh-so-obvious reasons.

Why would you want to sign your rights away this little human is yours its suxs she sounds like a witch but you need to step up and take responsibility.