I really need help my cat is almost two years old ever since he was 6 months we started having problems. His bottom lip was swollen really big. Took him to the vet we diagnosed him with an erodent ulcer.
We gave him serveral rounds of steroids which helped till I took him off. So we did the surgery where they scrape the ulcer out of the mouth.
And still his lips stayed big. He said it must be a food allergy so I tried many different kinds of natural foods for a month on each, didn't help.
After the steroids and surgery he started scratching his neck, so bad I had to keep it covered cause if not he would make himself bleed bad.

So we put him on some ATOPICA for dogs that regect there own skin. This is working, but I forgot to give him one pill and it through him off he started to get that thing on his neck again. So I have him back on it and we are cuting down the pills but his lip is still swollen and he has been on this medicine since October of 07.
Please help do you have any suggestions.

I do have white carpet and I bleach it with my steam cleaner once a month but my other two cats are fine and I never see him walk on it after I do this. So

I don't know what it can be please please help

DO NOT give your pet any kind of drugs that are not prescribed to him or are for dogs. It says 'for dogs" for a reason. You need to return to the vet and explain the second problem, but it does sound like he has skin issues that need attention, but the bleach in the carpet may be harming him too, you should try to see if not bleaching the carpet helps any.

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DO NOT give your pet any kind of drugs that are not prescribed to him or are for dogs. It says 'for dogs" for a reason. You need to return to the vet and explain the second problem, but it does sound like he has skin issues that need attention, but the bleach in the carpet may be harming him too, you should try to see if not bleaching the carpet helps any.

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Well it is for dogs they do not make a medicine for cats that reject there skin, my cat is prescribed the dog medicine. He could have died if had to high of a doseage but that is keeping him from scratching his neck to where he bleeds all over my house. And I have stopped the carpet cleaning have done it for a while but it doesn't matter he still will break out if not on the dog atopica. I just want to know if anyone has ever had this happen and has some answers for me. The swollen lip still will never go away the only time is when we have him on steroids but they can't live on them for the rest of his life... so we had to end that.

Oh well if its' prescribed then that is okay. I have never heard of this kind of condition persisting, just stories about mange, which can be cured, but doesn't cause the same kind of symptoms you're describing... Have you taken the cat to more than 1 vet? Maybe a new very will have some new ideas? I hope that kitty gets better!

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Oh well if its' prescribed then that is okay. I have never heard of this kind of condition persisting, just stories about mange, which can be cured, but doesn't cause the same kind of symptoms you're describing... Have you taken the cat to more than 1 vet? Maybe a new very will have some new ideas? I hope that kitty gets better!

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No I haven't tried another vet but I might pay 200 for the allergy test and try and take him to another vet I have been with my vet for years though and he is a smart guy thanks so much. Maybe someone else might have had this problem some other time.

If the Atopica helps it probably is an allergic or immune-mediated problem. You said you have tried natural foods, but have you used a prescription hypoallergenic food?
The natural foods usually contain fewer dyes and additives, but the cat may be allergic to a single food such as chicken or wheat, commonly found in cat foods.
Ask your vet about starting him on something like Hill's d/d. These diets contain novel proteins and carbohydrates that your cat probably has never been exposed to. An example would be duck and potato. You have to use them for 2-3 months with NO other foods or snacks to see if they help.
An allergy test may reveal other allergens that might respond to "allergy shots" designed to hyposensitize him.

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If the Atopica helps it probably is an allergic or immune-mediated problem. You said you have tried natural foods, but have you used a prescription hypoallergenic food?
The natural foods usually contain fewer dyes and additives, but the cat may be allergic to a single food such as chicken or wheat, commonly found in cat foods.
Ask your vet about starting him on something like Hill's d/d. These diets contain novel proteins and carbohydrates that your cat probably has never been exposed to. An example would be duck and potato. You have to use them for 2-3 months with NO other foods or snacks to see if they help.
An allergy test may reveal other allergens that might respond to "allergy shots" designed to hyposensitize him.

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I haven't tried the prescription food they wanted me to give him z/d which is $35 for 8lbs. I couldn't really afford it I have three cats and they will not stay out of the special food. I have tried putting him in another room with the door closed but when I check on him he still doesn't eat it. The doctor said to stay away from BEEF, Chicken, and corn, So I have tried eukanuba (sorry for the spelling) lamb and rice. Then I tried California naturals/venison. The doctor said we should see improvement in the first month. In the mean time my cat was bleeding all over the house I had to keep his wound covered so he wouldn't scratch it. I am afraid to take him off the atopica, do to the fact this may get bad again. I guess I should just pay $200 for the allergy test. Or would you say I should try the z/d first?

I honestly would just listen to the vet and get the test, but you could try the ZD first and see what happens, it may help. I hope your kitty gets better soon.

Please, please, please, please do NOT give him those Hills prescription foods. They are not good food. You might stop the current problems, but you'll just have other problems down the road from food not fit for a cat. Hills is nothing but marketing hype and make cheap crap. Vets learn to feed Hills from Hills itself. (As though Hills doesn't have some ulterior motive.) Just look at the ingredients. It isn't just about beef and seafood and such.

First, feed canned. All canned. Eukanuba isn't a good food either. If you are in the U.S. try foods that are only poultry, rabbit, lamb, etc. stuff that isn't beef and seafood. You might even eliminate poultry cause cats can build allergies to things they commonly eat. And with NO GRAINS. Many of these foods have grains. California Natural has rice. Worse, many, many foods have corn, which is a common allegen for cats. If you want to do a proper allergy test, you must eliminate grains as well. Something like byNature Organics. (These foods are admittedly hard to find.) Read those ingredients very carefully. The more you can eliminate it down to just ONE protein source and supplements, the better. If you want to send a private message, I can give you some examples, because the average person doesn't even know these foods exist. And don't trust that just cause it says "natural" that it means anything. Sometimes natural is still full of grains and other plants, when cats don't eat that way. (Or as some people I know say, bark is natural too, but would you feed it to a cat? :-))

If you really feel more comfortable with a prescription food (even though you don't need to spend that kind of money), then get IVD limited ingredient foods. Most prescription foods are garbage and not worth the money. I hate to say ignore the vet, but ignore the vet. Most of them really don't know nutrition. And definitely ignore any marketing hype of the companies. Just read the ingredients.

If the steroids are absolutely necessary, stick with them and try to slowly wean off. But otherwise, try as hard as possible to get rid of them. Steroids are very bad news and they cause diabetes very easily in cats, and one shot can do it. If you must use them, check on... um... hold on... Dang, I can't find it. (I just reinstalled Firefox and haven't put my bookmarks back yet, and Google isn't getting me what I want.) It starts with a B and it's an "ide" not a "sone." It's less likely to cause problems.

I also still wouldn't put it past the bleach. Just cause you don't see them walking on it doesn't it mean it's not bothering them.

Okay, I am going out on a limb here... my cat does the same thing. I have asked in the past on here and a very wise man told me it could possibly be an allergy to fleas (go figure). Now, keep in mind, my cats are inside only cats. I tried his suggestion anyway, due to my vet wanting to poke and prod my baby with no results or answers. I ordered Frontline for cats and used it on both of my cats.

Since then, I have had no problems or breakouts (except when I forget to apply as directed). As a matter of fact, we are at the end of a about right now. I applied the frontline about 2 weeks ago, and the area is almost all clear and gone. (It does take a couple of weeks after the application for the healing to take place.)

Just a suggestion... maybe your baby is allergic to fleas too.

Cats can become allergic to flea saliva, not to the fleas themselves. I would worry more about the carpet cleaning and bleach than I would fleas, unless I see fleas scampering around in the cat's fur.

At our cat shelter, a very dilute bleach solution was used for washing the floor, and even then, some cats reacted badly to it. The shelter now uses a biodegradable cleaner that's safe for cats.

Not to debate Wonder (cause you know I love you :) ), but I have never seen a flea on my kitties... never, wait... the day I picked her up from behind a shop... she did have them... since then, none. But this solution seems to work... and it is much cheaper than spending loads at the vet without results. Worth a try.

Toplady: Tell us what you find out... thanks and good luck

You need a definite answer to the issues & whether they are related,testing though expensive, in the long run would be best is my guess, because it seems to me by your post your vet is doing just that guessing & assumptions are the mother of all ballz ups.. lol.. since cats are carnivorous is there any reason not to make a change to raw meats (a cheap source of raw fish is from your local fish shop & the offcuts that don't get used ),don't know why vet said no chicken I feed my cats raw chicken necks all the time bones and all (please don't say the word fish outloud but spell it out or my two eldest cats will hear you they both know what that word means.. lol.. ).

Yeah rpg219 has a point about fleas as I've had a similar issue though my preference is advantage,just as a side note "Virbac's Indorex Spray" is great for treating carpets,bedding & the house in general to control fleas & larvae etc it works great & lasts a year or so,if you've got a lot of carpet it's a good investment $17.95 nz 500ml spray bottle & no I don't work for them :p

TOPLADYJ- IF I was you I would not have taken all this talking about and took the poor cat to the VET< That's WERE IT NEEDS TO GO < IT SHOULD HAVE ALREADY GONE TO THE VET I HOPE IT LIVES LONG ENMOUGH TO GO TO THE VET> F .B.E. SORRY IM A ANIMAL LOVER AND I HATE TO SEE ANY ANMINAL MISTREATED>

Sorry FBE... you are out of line on this one. Toplady has already stated that she has been working with the vet for about a year and a half, with prescriptions... of which none are helping. I don't for one second believe/agree that this woman is mistreating this cat. Why else would she be seeking help? How about we do as this site was created to do... and make some suggestions to help her.


P.S. Toplady... for fleas in the carpet (if you have any), I found a real cheap and easy way to solve this (DIY Network showed this). Vacuum weekly and in between Vacuuming sprinkle the carpet with table salt... yes, table salt, lol.

Salt absorbs water that in turn dissolves the salt which will make the carpet damp, if you live in a high humidity area it will cause the carpet to rot,unless you use a dehumidifier,there's always a catch ain't there.. lol..

LOL... thanks scorp... I was not aware of this. Saw this info on DIYNetwork and thought it was a pretty odd solution, but they swear by it, lol.

I personally have never tried it... because I only have one room with carpet.. and it will be change to hardwood here soon (woo hoo).

Yes, flea allergies are a possibility--in fact you generally see fewer fleas on a flea-allergic animal because they work so hard to keep them off.

Steroids do have side effects, which are generally worse when given long-term.

I do have to disagree about Hills prescription foods, however. (It doesn't have to be Hill's, Purina makes some prescription diets, as do some other companies.) I don't have a problem with grocery store brands if the animal is otherwise normal. The prescription diets are formulated with specific medical problems in mind. If there is a food allergy, the food must contain a novel protein and carbohydrate source, in other words, something the animal has never been exposed to before.
I learned the hard way about carefully reading labels--a friend had a dog with food allergies, so she was going to try lamb & rice. (This used to be a good idea, but lots of commercial pet foods now contain those, so they are no longer "novel" to many animals) Anyhow, I was going to pick up some lamb & rice Mighty Dog, and guess what was the first ingredient on the label?. CHICKEN!. which this dog definitely had an allergy to! Started looking on other "lamb & rice" foods, and found the same problem--additional proteins than just lamb, and diffenrent carbohydrates than just rice.
You could make a homemade diet, but you have to be careful to see that it is balanced and takes into account the special needs of cats, such as taurine.

Now the question as to whether the cat food is more expensive or the allergy testing.. The testing might tell you more quickly what the problem is, allowing you to possibly find a grocery store brand that does not contain the offender(s). Or you may find out that nothing is suitable except the prescription diet...

And the problem of keeping the cats out of each other's food! I don't even have a suggestion for that one!

Thought of another couple of possibilities to discuss with your vet (he may have already ruled these out):
Autoimmune diseases such as lupus, or Feline Eosinophilic Granuloma Complex.

Rpg219 7 Topladyj - I do aplogize, when I answered this post about the caty ,there was no more then her post saying about her cat, so I took everything wrong, even before I got to your post rpg219 reading all the posts on here I realized that I had put my big foot in my mouth, and I was going to post to her a apolagy. I was one of the ones that lost a inside cat from the tainted food, and Walmart still has not bought the rest of the food I had got that night, that night I had spent a little over 32.00 SORRY I hope you find a cure for your cat and she gets better and know has caused it for sure ; GOOD LUCK & GOD BLESS :::F.B.E.

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since cats are carnivorous is there any reason not to make a change to raw meats (a cheap source of raw fish is from your local fish shop & the offcuts that don't get used ),don't know why vet said no chicken i feed my cats raw chicken necks all the time bones n all

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Do not give a diet of just fish, and especially not if there's any possibility of a food allergy. (It could be as simple as the bleach, but you don't know right now.) Seafood is one thing you want to take away if you're checking for food allergies. And I wouldn't fed raw seafood anyway. You can feed a raw diet, but I don't go around suggesting it, because you better know what you're doing. So don't get into it unless you've researched it and plan to be dedicated to it. (Or buy frozen commercial raw, which can get expensive.)

The vet may have suggested removing chicken for the same reason I said: sometimes cats (and people) can develop allergies to something they get all the time. And chicken is a very common cat food flavor. So if checking for allergies, it doesn't hurt to dump the chicken too. Just because one cat is fine with it, doesn't mean another cat is.

The neck bones are fine, and that will clean teeth, whereas (contrary to popular belief) dry food won't. Raw is also fine, because the splintering comes when you cook it.

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I do have to disagree about Hills prescription foods, however. (It doesn't have to be Hill's, Purina makes some prescription diets, as do some other companies.) I don't have a problem with grocery store brands if the animal is otherwise normal. The prescription diets are formulated with specific medical problems in mind.

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Sorry, but I'm going to have to disagree back. Some of those so-called "formulations" aren't anything special at all that cannot be found in other foods. I don't recall mentioning "grocery store brands." I do NOT feed grocery store brands. I was talking about looking into some truly premium foods that are tons and tons better than nearly all of the prescription foods. And most problems that the prescription foods are given for are things that a good, low-carb, all canned, no grain diet can take care of. Many of these problems are started because of the bad food to begin with.

And most prescription foods are not good quality! Hills is crap. Purina isn't much better. It doesn't do much good to feed a supposedly special food when the ingredients aren't very good, they are too high carb, and the protein is coming from more plant than animal.

You, like everyone else, are just quoting what everyone else says. Have you ever actually researched any of this? I know of no person who has actually researched feline nutrition that would recommend Hills.

Here's the low-down on Hills D/D canned duck limited ingredient food. First, only 29% of the calories come from protein. That's too low for a cat. The long-term affect is anemia and other problems. Second, 17% of the calories come from carbs. In the wild, a cat would only eat about 5% or less carbs. It's body doesn't know what to do with all those carbs. It damages the pancreas and eventually can cause diabetes. There's no excuse for a canned food to be that high-carb. The only excuse is cheap filler ingredients.

Third, here's the beginnning ingredients: Water, Duck, Duck Liver, Ground Green Pea, Powdered Cellulose, Soybean Oil, Pea Protein Concentrate, Brewers Dried Yeast, Fish Oil, Glucose...

One trick is listing the pea as two separate ingredients. If it were one, it might be higher on the list since it's by amount. (I don't have a huge problem w/peas per se, but it's just too much.) Cellulose is undigestible. Some cats are allergic to soybean, so there's a great option when checking for allergies. Pea Protein. How about MEAT protein, like a cat is supposed to eat. Fish oil can be a good thing, but I never trust a food that doesn't say specifically what it is. What kind of fish oil? And glucose? Why put glucose into a cat? Glucose is what you stick into a diabetic when they're having a hypo. Cats turn protein into energy.

Good starting point, in plain English, of feline nutrition:
http://www.newdestiny.us/nutritionbasics.html
But there's a whole lot more out there.

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While this part is true, you don't need a prescription food to do this. Why does one need a prescription to get a food that is one protein source? There are foods out there that are like this, which are better quality than the prescription foods. The only fairly good quality limited ingredient prescription food is IVD.

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Feed all the cats a good-quality canned food. Then it won't matter if they get into each other's food.

The only fairly good quality limited ingredient prescription food is IVD.

Actually, I take that statement back. I forgot that Royal Canin bought them out, and despite their price tag, don't think much of them. (Their food is full of corn, bad bad ingredient.) And I can no longer find the ingredients or any reasonable information on their site, which always makes me leary. I emailed them about this and got no response, so I guess they don't care what their customers think.

It may or may not be the same food it was. But there's always a solution to that: look at the label.

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Call the manufacturer and see what they have to say about it.

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Rpg219 7 Topladyj - I do aplogize, when I answered this post about the caty ,there was no more then her post saying about her cat, so I took everything wrong, even befor I got to your post rpg219 reading all the posts on here i realized that I had put my big foot in my mouth, and I was going to post to her a apolagy. I was one of the ones that lost a inside cat from the tainted food, and Walmart still has not bought the rest of the food i had got that night, that night I had spent a little over 32.00 SORRY I hope you find a cure for your cat and she gets better and know has caused it for sure ; GOOD LUCK & GOD BLESS :::F.B.E.

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Im sorry about your loss. I don't want to go through that. That's why i have taken him so many times and thought maybe i could seek help out here. I am a animal lover to and i like to grip people out who mistreat also... lol so i totally understand thanks.

Thank You All I Have Tried At Least Three Different Natural Foods Eukanuba, California Naturals. And His Problem Did Not Go Away So He Is On Some Cheap Food Once Again But They Love It. So I Am Probalby Going to Try The Z/d Which The Vet Perscribed In The First Place Just To See. If That Doesn't Work I Am Going Back To The Cheap Food. At This Point I Am Going to Try Frontline Too Cause I Never Have Although I Have Never Seen Fleas On Him Not Even With A Flea Comb... but Its Worth A Try. At Last If Neither Of These Work I Am Going to Do The Allergy Test But I Am Debating Might Just Want to Do That First. With Three Cats I Really Can Go Through A Lot Of Food. So I Am Leaning Toward The Test... I Just Hate To Give Up 200 When He Is Doing Just Fine On The Atopica Its Just His Chin And Lip Are Still Puffy.

Topladyj - This time I think you are out of line . I DID NOTY DESERVE the reddie you gave me ,Mostly because I gave you a apolagy. You need about 6 reddies for not posting the whole questio right . Good DAy ::: F.B.E.

Yes I sent you a note okay because I thought you were out of line for telling me I am cruel I am none the least I take care of my animals and I was just replying. Didn't see your second comment till later on sooo sorry really! And I don't know anything about the six reddies! I appologize and will make sure I don't give you anymore! Please except my effort of saying sorry FBE. Is there anyway I can go back and delete it?

Topladyj - Appolagy accepted all is fopr given, WE are getyting off on the wrong foot , so lets try to get off on the other foot , I did not mean to upset you like I did ,I'M Sorry that I did . AS I said I thought that you were only talking about it ,instead of going on and takeing the cat to a vet. HOPE you accept this and we start all over again .::
Good day & GOD BLESS::: F.B.E.

Thanks FBE we do have a lot in common for I love animals and used to work at a vet also. I hate them being mistreated cause they don't have a voice to tell an owner no, so I see what you mean. I'm sorry I disagreed the second post wasn't till later on and I hadn't made it there yet. I accept yours as well. Bless you also and hope you have a great day!

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I hope you'll still see this. (Been kind of busy and haven't been here for like a week or so.) Don't let the word "natural" fool you. That doesn't mean it's a good food, and it doesn't mean it's a good food to use for an allergy test. It doesn't say anything about what the ingredients are. If you want to check for food allergies, you have to look at the ingredients on the label. There is no other way to know if it's an appropriate thing to try for an allergy test.

If you want to do a serious test you need to find a food that is an unusual protein source, such as rabbit, lamb, venison, duck, etc. Cut out beef and seafood, and it's not a bad idea to cut out poultry as well, since common foods can be the allergens. You cannot just go by what the name of the food is. A LOT of food sneaks seafood in there somewhere. You have to read the label. And NO grains. Cats commonly have allergies to grains. In fact, I'd say the no grain is the number one rule.

California Natural has rice in it. (Rice is natural. Doesn't mean a cat isn't allergic to it or should be eating it.) California Natural isn't a bad food, but if you want to do a proper allergy test, no grains! It has rice. It also has seafood. Yes, even the venison one. (That's why I said you have to read the label.) All of the Eukanuba has either corn or rice. Not sure which one you tried, but Eukanuba isn't necessarily a good food.

I hope this also helps make a point how much marketing hype there is out there. The really good foods are ones no one has ever heard of. Try something like byNature Organics or Nature's Variety Instincts. Nature's Variety also has frozen and freeze-dried raw diets, if you can afford that sort of thing. It can be difficult to find this sort of thing, but the Petsmart around here carries byNature Organics, so if you have a Petsmart near by, check for it cause it would be a good choice for this. If you can't find them, and you want to get something at the vet's, I would suggest you at least go for IVD limited ingredient foods... assuming they haven't changed them, they're a heck of a lot better than Hills, especially if it's something you have to do on a permanent basis.

Trust me, I know what a pain this is. My one cat was scratching all over a while back, getting scabs all over him and pulling hair out. I hadn't changed anything around the house. My vet did suggest food allergies, but unfortunately he won't eat any foods I've found thus far that fit the bill to do a proper allergy test. As in, it would probably be impossible for me to do that. He didn't have a flea issue. I thought it might be dry skin so I was also going to try salmon or cod liver oil. I had been using Vitamin E on the scabs, not only to help heal them but also to soften them and hopefully make them not itch. Fortunately, the whole thing cleared up on its own recently, leading me even further to believe it was just dry skin during the winter. Which is good, cause I actually can't even do what I'm suggesting to you to do. :eek:

Have you ever tried a dexamethasone injection?It is a steroid,but you give it on a monthly basis. You start with a large dose and gradually reduce the dose,which may solve your problem.It has done miracles for many of my pets and their weird ailments.

No we haven't tried the shots We gave him tons of steroids and poor thing even got the surgery for erodent olsers(he had olsers inside his mouth) done and still having problems. I still just have him on the atopika but I am willing to give the nature organics a try we have a petsmart and petco in town so I will see. The vet told me to just stay away from corn, and beef/chicken. So I figured rice and lamb.
But I will check this food out. Give it to him for a while and back off the atopika and see if the sratching bleeding starts again if so I will put him back on the pills. I will keep everyone posted and I greatly appriciate everyone's help.

Toplady - I just thought of something today, Once I had a young kitten and it kept scratching his neck in one place ,and after this going on for about 3 days I got the kitten and looked at the neck area he kept scratching and looked ,there was a small hole in his neck and I could feel something under the skin ,I started pushing it towards the open hole and got it to where I could get ahold of it with twerzers and finnly got it out and it was a weavel , ( LIKE YOU FIND ON SQUARRELS IN LATE SUMMER$) . I got it cleaned out and sterilized and medicine on it and banadged, changed it every day for 2 weeks and it got all right, Catch your cat and look real close because the hole will be real small and feel all around the area he is scratching real bad , it will feel like a wood pencil in side , if its one , it will be about 3/4 " to 1" long by now. This may be what is making the cat sick also:!! If you have to you may have to take him back to the vet, it took me quite awhile to get this one backed out. I hope this helps and it gets the cat well again, Let us all know how it turns out! :: Good Luck & GOD BLESS ; F.B.E.

Thanks fbe I will try and check him tonight and feel the whole area I'll let you know if I can find anything.

Toplady, I just found another one that Petsmart carries. Avoderm Select Cuts Chicken. The other Avoderms have grains or are seafood, but this particular one would fit the bill. I just discovered it the other day cause I just got a new cat and she likes stuff with pieces. So I was searching for everything with pieces in it. I was pleasantly surprised over the ingredients and the low carb level... and she loves it! (Happy, happy!)

And FlyingBlue Eagle, that's one of the more unusual cat stories I've ever heard. :-)

Morgaine500 - There is no story to it because it DID HAPPEN < AND I KNOW A VET THAT WILL TELL YOU THE SAME THING HAVE A GOOD DAY ::: F.B.E.

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Morgaine500 - There is no story to it because it DID HAPPEN < AND I KNOW A VET THAT WILL TELL YOU THE SAME THING HAVE A GOOD DAY ::: F.B.E.

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Stories that are told can be true stories. I wasn't implying it was made up. I meant that I found it amusing. You have an interesting way of misinterpreting everything.

Thanks for that food update. FBE I have searched and feel nothing hard in his neck. I worked at a vet. And this poor cat came in with some puffy cheek. A fly had laid a piece of larva and that thing was like two inches long and hairy. I was thinking the weevels may have been it. Cause last summer we got weevels that was the first time I had ever heard of them. Those were nasty I would have brand knew packages still closed up but I would look inside to see weevels dead and alive. I wish it were this easy of a fix. I am going to scheduale an appt. My cat is about down to one pill of atopica a week now and doing good. So then maybe we can try the diet thing again. And I don't think its fleas I have not seen them on him. And wouldn't this problem go away during the winter if it were. Not only that I don't use frontline but I use a flea protection drops on his shoulder blades. Thanks to all I will keep you informed.

Well the Atopica dog medicine was the only thing that worked for my cat, kept his lip down and no bloody holes in his so that's a blessing, we tried some natural foods never could find anything that triggered it, he was like two and a half and I loved this cat dearly. I put a lot of time effort energy and money. And he ended up getting hit by a car I feel so bad, he got out one day and I had this feeling I set all my stuff down to get him and he took off I had to go to work or I was going to be late. When I got home he wasn't there which if he snuck out he'd be back by then, finally a week later I found out my cat was picked up right outside my house and cremated at a local shelter, I went and walked around just to make sure he wasn't there bless my baby as I will always love Dr. Skyler Lee Allen Morris Bradley Junior of Plump Stud... (thats his full name)

TOPLADYj- Im sorry to hear about your pet ,I know what its like to loose a pet more so when you've had it a long time, me IM a animal lover from square 1, and I've been told several times that I should have been a VET the way I get along with them , and I hate to see any animal mistreated in any way , I see People not even try to miss a cat, dog, with a car or truck :: Any I hope that you find a replacement cat that will be as loveing as DR Skyler was :: GOD BLESS : F.B.E.