She is not nesting... she confuses other kittens to be hers that are already 4 weeks old... she doesn't even know she is in labor... I don't have money I am on ssi... I don't know what to do for her... she goes from room to room and lays down meows for me to be there... and if I am not there... then she will delay the labor... I called the vet and they said I needed to come with 250 dollars and they don't bill... this is my baby... her life depends on me not having money... them people don't even want to give me advice over the phone... they say bring her in... I said I am disabled and don't have money... they say they can't help me... what the hell is wrong with doctors these days.. same with people money make the living live... if you don't have money and you have an emergency the human doctors around here will not see you even when you are about to die... even emergency rooms are making people like me pay 150 before you get seen... back to the question what do I do when my cat doesn't know she is going to have kittens

Need answer now... my cat doesn't know she is having kittens... what do I do... in labor but not pushing,, vet told me he will not see her they do not bill... she mistakes other kittens for her own... she knows something... but not being pregnant or dewlivering them... she didn't even nest... call if you get this please... >Phone number Removed<... any help would be great thanks god bless daisy

We don't allow the sharing of personal information on here, so I've asked that your phone number be removed.

OK, let me see if I understand this. Your cat is in labor. You don't think she's pushing or knows what to do. She tries to mother other kittens.

If she's not pushing, then she's probably not in the final stage of labor. Cats aren't really given the choice of rather or not they push. Their bodies do it on their own.

Not nesting isn't a big deal. My cat didn't nest when she had her babies, and it didn't make a bit of difference.

The restlessness and crying is normal. Can you shut doors to limit the number of rooms she can get into? It may help her settle a little and pick a spot to have her babies. It'll also make it easier for you to go to her when she cries for you.

Mothering other kittens is normal, too. The maternal instinct takes hold and they want to take care of the babies. Some cats will mother any baby animal. Others will only mother kittens. Some will only mother THEIR kittens. Some won't have anything to do with babies of any kind, and will even kill them, given the chance.

How many cats do you have there? Is it possible to isolate her from the other cats?

Is her abdomen contracting? If it isn't, and hasn't been, then she's not in active labor, yet. She may wander around, crying, for hours before active labor sets in. many cats give birth in the middle of the night.

Hheath is correct -- your cat's body will take over to deliver the kittens and push them out. Cats don't need Lamaze or a birth coach.

I've had cats all my life. It's amazing how they are able to manage if humans don't interfere. Probably the less you do to "manage" the birth, the more positive the outcome.

Google "birth kittens" (or somesuch keywords) to find helpful sites like this one --

Cats Giving Birth to Kittens

Thank you for your answer... it was most helpful... sorry about putting personal information in my question and if I offended anyone about my complaint with vet doctors and human doctors about money. Please accept my apologies.. I haven't delivered kittens in years cause I haven't had any... crystal is my rescue baby I bottle fed her since two weeks old and I am fond of her and the bond between her and I is very strong... I was under stress when she sat under my computer desk meowing loudly and I didn't know what to do I paniced... normally I know what to do... but to answer your question I have two females one had kittens last month... and now crystal is due anytime now... by the way she is acting... my tomkats three are nutured... I had some people stay with me who had kids and they went in and out all day and I keep my females inside... there has been several times they got out for a few hours and they would come back in... those people are gone now... back to what I was talking about... I am calming down now after what you told me... and I thank you very much for your answer... I don't know how to tell when her abdomen is contracting... all I know is her private area is bigger than usual and the kittens seem to move in a circle like they are getting in line... she meows little chirps... and she is very affectionate... thank you for your answer... I put the other kittens and mother in my bed room... I have a rescue baby that was left at my door step in a box half dead... little orange kitten barely has teeth.. so I stayed up all night tending to it every 30 minutes I fed him kitten formula milk... with syringe... very small so I am not feeding him too much... but his body temp was low and lots of fleas... I gave it a bath blow dried it and kept him warm so I figure his blood count was low due to the infestation of the fleas... and the results of that is I had this little bundle of joy for 48 hours and he is walking around acting like a kitten... still have to feed with syringe but at least he is showing signs of being a kitten and playing... so I have a lot on my plate right now... don't worry I have a lady who agreed to take munches the mother of the one month old kittens and find the kittens a home... my toms are outside... have a nice day... are there anymore suggestions??

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crystal is my rescue baby i bottle fed her since two weeks old

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How did she get pregnant? (She's the one expecting kittens, right?) Can you get all your cats fixed? (It seems like they aren't -- because of cost?)

I rescue cats too -- and they are the joy of my life.

I know they need to be fixed.. I only have two females... I have three toms who stay outside... and they are nutured.. I can't help it if I were helping other people and the children would not listen to keep the doors closed and either stay in or out... those people are out now... so I guess I wasn't even thinking right... but I don't have the money to get them fixed I am disabled... and that is not much money in la. There isn't a single vet in this area that offers free work... for the ones in need... we have paws here but they can't do anything cause of state cut backs... I am sorry but I felt that you were being sarcastic wondergirl... right now I am not thinking about past tense I am only thinking about right now... it is too late for me to think about how she got pregnant I can't go back intime... the fact is I can't do nothing about it now... so give me a break would you... and yes they would have been fixed eventually... yeah to answer your question no money... are you always like this with your answers... you don't give anyone any answers you just give a statement and make everyone feel bad? I am not trying to be rude or anything... but I thought you to be rude...

It's fairly obvious when the contractions start. You'll see her abdomen sort of 'jumping' with each contraction. She'll probably lay down once the contractions start. Kittens should start following within about an hour of active labor starting.

Have you tried getting your other momma cat to adopt your rescue baby? If she won't, then maybe your pregnant momma will adopt him, since she seems willing to mother the other kittens.

Don't be terribly surprised if the kittens just plop down and feed from which ever female's closest once they're up and moving. As long as they're all getting fed, it won't matter.

I'm glad your kitties have you. I, more than some, understand having pets but not having the money for unexpected vet visits. As it stands, a visit to the vet right now would've been a waste of money.

Wondergirl wasn't trying to be rude. We just get a lot of people on here who have either purposely decided to breed their pets, without any real knowledge of what's involved, or who have unfixed females they allow to roam the neighborhood, then get upset when they keep getting pregnant.

When you adopted your babies, I'm sure you didn't foresee having kids stay with who would leave the door open. Having indoor cats who manage to escape when they're in heat is a lot different than actively breeding your animal or doing nothing to prevent pregnancy. While getting them fixed would have prevented it, you saw no reason to rush the process since they are indoor cats.

Put her in a box you have set up for the kittens birth she will know what to do. Cats often watch out for other cats kittens that is why she tries to care for kittens that aren't hers. Cats need care as much as people. Maybe you could sell the kittens and get her spayed. Some areas have reduced rates or offer free spaying. You should not let her have anymore litters for her health and over population of cats in this world.

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i am sorry but i felt that you were being sarcastic wondergirl

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I'm sorry. I wasn't trying to be rude. I'm a very practical person who likes to get to the heart of the matter. I was worried about the cats, but am totally on your side. I will have to try harder to sound supportive and helpful when I answer questions and give responses.

Thank you all for your answers now I understand and wondergirl I am sorry... just fustrated I felt like you were getting on to me... I am responsible pet owner... for I had all my toms nuturted at the age of 6 months old... I thought that would sovle the problem because it is only 65 dollars to nutur the male... 150 to spay females... and miss ellen I don't plan on having no more kittens... I was working with paws to rescue cats and then it got to where I had 32 cats... then cut backs came... so with my grant money from college I managed to get 21 cats spayed for 1500 dollars so that helped there... and once they were spayed... then it was easy to find them homes... but paws can't except them cause they are over full... well thank you for everything and I will keep posting as time goes on... I am calm no0w that I know you are there for me

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thank you all for your answers now i understand and wondergirl i am sorry

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Don't be sorry. Once in a while I need to be pulled up short and scolded. Thank you for reminding me that I have to be more empathetic (I'm a real-life counselor, after all, and know better). Also, if you want to hear an excuse, while I was posting to you, I was also watching news videos of oil washing up on Gulf beaches and oil-covered birds and other animals -- what a heartbreaker!

Please keep us informed about Crystal. Hheath's rescued cat Edith had kittens over ten weeks ago. She has posted on this board a new batch of pics of them every Monday. She's our pregnant cat expert!

The first kitten is already born now... I had to assist... miss wondergirl... you have everyright to get on to me as too what I was panicing... see I speak before I think... and I need to change that... thank you for your comment cause it made me think too... now the kitten is fine I took and pulled gently... danny my boyfriend had to hold her gently and pet her to keep her from biting me... there was lots of blood though... it was the same amount my other kittens had... I do not want to go through this again... so they are getting fixed no matter what..,. I will go get a loan lol... the placenta is still inside... what do I do just let her push it out... ok crystal is solid white with an orange tabby tale organge ears... the kitten is black with white around her eyes... she has a white spots on the underside an orange spot on his head... he has white stripes all on her body... her face is like a white mask... she is beautiful... I already have claims on her... I will keep posting... diasy

the placenta should follow naturally. If it doesn't follow immediately after the baby, then just keep count and make sure there's the same number of placentas as kittens.

a good guideline for sexing the babies; all babies with black AND orange markings will be female. The genes for black and orange markings are both carried on the X so, to have both colorings, they need two X's.

The second one is born all the same colors... it is twins... this one is a male... the placenta didn't come out... should I be worried now or will they pass... it took her 30 minutes to have the first one and 30 minutes later trying to have the second one... rather fast... I thougt they were known to be an hour apart... that is the way it was with the others... will the two placents eventually pass... oh and the second one has fecies with him... I thought she was over due... but she is cleaning him up now... I try to let her do it all... but when the kittens head tries to come out last... then that is when it seems to hurt the most she wants to get up and growl at the kitten... so I had to assist this time too... hmmm she is going to be a good mother... I once had a cat that had kittens with fecies and she abandoned the kittens... so I had to bottle feed them... surprisingly they made it cause I know even when you have the best kitten formula on the market... they still need the mothers milk during the first week... the vet wanted me to bring them in to let him put them down cause he said they didn't have a chance... I wanted to give them a chance... I prayed for them and the lord blesses our animals too... wow I am going to have lots of cats... consider lesson learned... will be getting them homes as soon as I am able... please post again... about the placenta thank you... daisy

So that answers the question I didn't have to ask lol... I was wondering about why you don't see very many male callys... thanks for the info... she is resting... how do I know when she has too much blood she looses... you know it has been 13 years since I have delivered babies... I am surprised at how much I forgotten... I think I am going to go to school for vet tech... thank you all for your support and now she is pushing antoher out... not quite here yet... but is this happening rather too quick... daisy ps boy delivering horses is a big difference... only delivered two in my life... ummmmiss wondergirl can you tell me information on birthing moms for cats... is it a profession or just something you do to help people thanks daisy

The two placenta's came out and the third kitten is on the way... lol I am happy... I am always happy when new life comes into my home my grandbabies are gorgous... daisy

Kittens can be as close as a few seconds apart. The last kittens in the litter seem to come closer together then the first ones.

As long as she's not BLEEDING, she should be OK. If the blood you're seeing is more like bloody water, then it's normal. If it's thicker, like actual blood, and in larger amounts, then you might have to worry.

If it doesn't seem to be a study flow of blood, then wait until all the kittens are born. If the bleeding continues beyond spotting after that, then do your best to get her to a vet. She might have torn something during the birthing and may need stitches.

I sure will... I will be up all night... and I thank you for all your responses
Diasy... I felt there is one more moving... he or she is in her ribs... so he still has to move and get in line... I hope I am right... daisy

If it's not born tonight, then don't worry too much about it. It may have been conceived a few days later than the others and needs the extra time.

The last one is white solid white and is a male... she I guess got with the black cat down the road and the neighbor has a white cat male... I will look at its sex again as it grows older cause sometimes it is hard to tell... thank you all for everything and the support... have a good night... I added this site to my favorites so I will be posting in with pictures as they grow... getting batteries tomorrow and will post the pics... thank you again
Daiy

I'm so glad they all got born in good health! And I look forward to seeing pictures!!

Hey wondergirl... lol she had one last one... another white one female... she just had her... so we have 5 all together... can you tell me something though... are white male cats rare like male calies.. but I do thank you for all your and all the others support... I will post in the morning... and can you tell me when is the best time after kittens are born to have her spayed... because it if had to see my babygirl go through that pain when I know I can do nothing to stop the pain... oh and the foster kitten... is about two in a half weeks old... but up walking and running around... he would rather have the seringe rather than good old fashion mothers milk... so I feed him can 9 lives not stredded or chunks... the mushy kind... and I mix a little bit of the kitten formula for him in there... I have to change her bed again... so I need to get going I am tired just like crystal... I will sleep in my office tonight to check on her... have a nice night... I have something else I would like to talk to you about... but this is not the place nor the time... you have a nice day... I have a small problem of speaking before I think and I was wondering is there something I could do mentally to breaking that habbit... thanks I earned that habbit through my second marriage... lol sorry please don't get offended I know this is not the forum for it... I will talk to you soon hopfully... I now know about personal information but I don't know how far personal information goes as far as personal information... I will set up my profile tomorrow... you take care... again heathe thank you for being so supportive ellon you to... thank you for your time... I just can't thank you enough... take care... diasy...

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hey wondergirl....lol she had one last one....another white one female...she just had her....so we have 5 all together

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Wow!! A fifth kitten!! Hheath might know about girl and boy white cats. I think a white cat can be either sex -- but not calicos usually.

I'm here off and on all day (was real sick and had to resign, then retire from my library job), so just holler and we can talk about whatever you want to. Get a good night's sleep!

White cats can be either sex. The thing to watch out for is blindness and deafness. Some white cats are blind and/or deaf, but not all. If their eyes are pink or blue when they grow up, then they have a higher possibility of being blind and/or deaf.

As for getting her fixed, it's best to wait until after the kittens are weaned and her milk dries up. She can be fixed before that, but the swollen tissue and extra fluid from the milk increases the likelihood of complications. Some vets will also charge more to spay a nursing cat, because of the chance of complications.

So, your little calicoes are girls (there's a 99.99% chance of them being female). Watch the white ones for signs of blindness and deafness after they're up and moving around on their own. Try not to get your mommas fixed until after the babies are weaned and their milk has dried up.

Did I miss anything?

I learned that if the solid whites with blue or pink eyes... they will go blind or deaf because of a stem cell not working properly of the brain something of the sort... I read few months back don't remember... but I do remember that if there are other colors present on the while cat... they have more chance not to be blind or deaf... crystal is white with blue eyes with orange ears and tail... odd colors... but that is what I like most is color... dont care what the breed is... my mom has the mother of crystal who is solid white with blue eyes... yet she has become deaf or blind she is now almost 8 years old... crystal is only 8 months old... just as I was going to get her fixed... I learned she was pregnant... and I don't care how many cats are in the world... I don't believe in killing life before it starts... but she will be watched carefully and just as soon as the other female cat is weaned from her kittens she is going to be fixed... I have too many cats to tend to now... all together I have 14 cats... kittens included... if I were a breeder it would be different... but I am not a breeder and I try to refer ones to paws... but only if they are not in critical state... I tell them to take them to the vet... sometimes I will take a kitten in but sometimes I have to walk away and that hurts... but I just can't afford to care for this many... and there is nothing I could do with programs in the state because there are no funds...
Two of the kittens are solid black with white stipes from the bottom of the ribcage half way up... on about 4 ribs it is that way... and they are black and white poke a dots under side of them... well are they considered calico with different colors? Thank you for your response
Daisy

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i learned that if the the solid whites with blue or pink eyes....they will go blind or deaf because of a stem cell not working properly of the brain something of the sort...i read few months back don't remember...but i do remember that if there are other colors present on the while cat...they have more chance not to be blind or deaf...crystal is white with blue eyes with orange ears and tail...odd colors...but that is what i like most is color...dont care what the breed is...my mom has the mother of crystal who is solid white with blue eyes...yet she has become deaf or blind she is now almost 8 years old...crystal is only 8 months old...just as i was going to get her fixed....i learned she was pregnant...and i don't care how many cats are in the world...i don't believe in killing life before it starts....but she will be watched carefully and just as soon as the other female cat is weaned from her kittens she is going to be fixed....i have too many cats to tend to now...all together i have 14 cats...kittens included....if i were a breeder it would be different...but i am not a breeder and i try to refer ones to paws....but only if they are not in critical state...i tell them to take them to the vet.... sometimes i will take a kitten in but sometimes i have to walk away and that hurts....but i just can't afford to care for this many...and there is nothing i could do with programs in the state because their are no funds...
two of the kittens are solid black with white stipes from the bottom of the ribcage half way up...on about 4 ribs it is that way...and they are black and white poke a dots under side of them...well are they considered calico with different colors?? thank you for your response
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Crystals mom is not deaf or blind as of yet

Calicoes have at least three colors in their coats. Usually, it's black, orange, and white. Beige, silver, brown, tan, and other colors can be present, too.

It sounds like there's very little risk of your babies being deaf or blind. That's good. It's hard to find homes for special needs kittens.

One thing heath... crystal has black dirreah... I know that could be one thing and that is blood... is there something that could have ripped behind inside... she is not bleeding from her Virginia... so what do I need to do take her in... she does look like she is in pain... she does walk around and she does eat... I will take her to the vet... please pst thank you

It could be anything. The pain is probably from giving birth to so many kittens when she's still a kitten herself. If the diarrhea doesn't clear up in a couple days, then talk to a vet. Being pregnant and giving birth can throw all kinds of things out of whack.

What are you feeding her? Her diet could just need adjusted.

I feed her indoor nine lives cat food with all the vegatables and things in it... it is in the green bag... I tried iams the expensive stuff but they all will not eat it... she ate the placentas lasting... and it is a lot of iron for her... too much iron will throw anyone into dirrhea... wouldn't that be it... it just could have went through cause 5 of them to eat... is a lot and couldn't it just be that?
And I need to worm her... do I need to wait till the kittens get weened and on their own or is it OK to do it...
Daisy

Try to get some kitten food to feed her while she's nursing. If possible, feed her some wet food. She needs all the extra nutrients she can get right now.

You shouldn't worm while she's nursing, exclusively. Wait until they're at least mostly weaned, then give them all the worming medicine at the same time. Repeat two weeks later. Repeat again, every two week until you don't see any more worms. 2-3 treatments should do it.

Right now, the kittens are too young for the worming medicine. Anything you give to momma will be passed right along to the babies. All the vet sites I've seen suggest you start worming no earlier than 4 weeks.

OK thak you... for your answer... as soon as I get my camera some batteries I will put all my pictures up of my cats... thank you for your help...
Daisy... ps... I don't see any worms in her poop...

If you don't see any worms, what makes you think she needs dewormed?

OK... when crystal lies down she still has a hump in her belly... I felt it and I messaged her belly cause she loves to have her tummy rubbed... well her poop is normal now... I don't understand it... but I did however felt another kitten... it is not very big and it is not in her ribs... it is lower... well I was wondering could it have been that later on in the pregnancy... could she have maybe got with another cat and mated like three days or even a week to get another egg fertilized?. or what are the chances of it being still born... I constantly have to go to her side... cause she cries for me... if it is still born will it pass like the humans do... would the body make it come out..? and if so how long would it take..? Just another worry... what I don't understand that when it is someone else's cat I know what to do immediately... cause I tend to lots of cats here in the park... but ones that I love as much as I do with crystal I tend to get panicy and loose most of my memory of what to do... another words when it comes to emergency I am good a first response... when it comes to a family member I freak out... how can I stop that... ummm maybe that is why they made the law to where around here a doctor cannot perform sergury on a wife or family member... well I do know that I start school in June to further my education in vet tech... it is for my own knowledge... I don't pretend to be a doctor and I don't say I am... I tell people all the time I am not a vet... take her or him to a vet... but if it is something simple like a spider bite or a sprain... or just a respirtory infection... then I will see the cat... stiches other life threatening I tell them I don't know what to do... now I have had some cats die and I did cpr on them and brought them back.. but not always it worked... well please let me know about the kitten that I feel that is still in crystal... I am worry it to be still born and how will it affect my cat... she is still trying to put the rest of the kittens in the nest with her... but all the others are weanlings and ready for adoption... thank you for your time... the baby rescue kitten is two weeks in a half and will not nurse... he is very independent he doesn't act like a kitten... he sings and apoprieates affection... I never knew in my life for a kat that young to sing and pur as loud as she does... I love her and I want to keep him... but I just want to see what cats are going where... an d get rid of the others... cause really reality click... 15 cats... I should havr no more than three... thanks... daisy

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ok....when crystal lies down she still has a hump in her belly....i felt it and i messaged her belly cause she loves to have her tummy rubbed....well her poop is normal now...i don't understand it...but i did however felt another kitten...it is not very big and it is not in her ribs...it is lower....well i was wondering could it have been that later on in the pregnancy...could she have maybe got with another cat and mated like three days or even a week to get another egg fertilized??... or what are the chances of it being still born....i constantly have to go to her side...cause she cries for me....if it is still born will it pass like the humans do....would the body make it come out....???and if so how long would it take....?? just another worry....what i dont' understand that when it is someone else's cat i know what to do immediately...cause i tend to lots of cats here in the park...but ones that i love as much as i do with crystal i tend to get panicy and loose most of my memory of what to do....another words when it comes to emergency i am good a first responce ....when it comes to a family member i freak out....how can i stop that...ummm maybe that is why they made the law to where around here a doctor cannot perform sergury on a wife or family member...well i do know that i start school in june to further my education in vet tech....it is for my own knowledge...i don't pretend to be a doctor and i don't say i am....i tell people all the time i am not a vet...take her or him to a vet...but if it is something simple like a spider bite or a sprain...or just a respirtory infection....then i will see the cat...stiches other life threatening i tell them i don't know what to do....now i have had some cats die and i did cpr on them and brought them back..but not always it worked....well please let me know about the kitten that i feel that is still in crystal....i am worry it to be still born and how will it affect my cat...she is still trying to put the rest of the kittens in the nest with her...but all the others are weanlings and ready for adoption....thank you for your time...the baby rescue kitten is two weeks in a half and will not nurse...he is very independant he doesn't act like a kitten...he sings and apoprieates affection...i never knew in my life for a kat that young to sing and pur as loud as she does...i love her and i want to keep him...but i just want to see what cats are going where...an d get rid of the others....cause really reality click...15 cats....i should havr no more than three....thanks...daisy

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I forgot... the other kittens are 6 weeks old and eating soft food... they are in the process of getting introduced to litter training... thanks daisy

Kittens can be conceived, and born, up to a week or so apart. If there is another kitten, then it may just need time to mature. Her body will take care of everything, just like with the first 5 kittens.

If she starts to seem sick, the kitten isn't born within the next week or so, or there's some other reason to worry, then try to get her to a vet. If the kitten is dead, then her body may not try to expel it. Just keep a close eye on her, as I'm sure you're already doing.

I can more than understand the reality check. My edith was pregnant when I adopted her. I knew that, but I couldn't see NOT giving her a home just because she was going to have babies. I figured she'd have 3-4, at the most, since she's a small cat. A month later, she gave birth to 6 babies. They'll be 11 weeks tomorrow.

No matter how much I love them and want to keep them all, I know I can't. There's just no possible way for me to keep 7 cats in my apartment, let alone affording to feed 7 adult cats. I'm keeping 2 of the babies. Of the other 4, 1 found a home a few days ago. I miss him, but I think he'll be happy. Now, I just need to find good homes for the other 3.

I understand what you are saying... the problem with finding kittens a home is that when they are kittens then they are cute and cuddlely but when they grow up they are not cute no more and I think that is how most of our cats end up strays... we have a set of dumpstars here... and I don't go there anymore... because that is how I ended up with 36 cats all together in a three bed room trailor... now my house never smelted like cat... but I kept all 6 litter boxes clean and the house... anytime I had a tom spray I would immately wipe the wall down... plus at that time I was a singer and a aircraft mechanic... I could afford to have them... but when I left my husband two years ago... I have to give them all up... they never went to the pound... it just took me one year to get rid of them... I stayed with my husband for 7 years because of my cats... but I got tired of the sometimes physical mental and emotional abuse... and I knew I couldn't take my cats with me... I owned the trailor... it was paid for but I done tried telling him to leave and once had the cops to tell him to leave... but us being married... it was civil... so I gave him the house and the truck... I kept two of my cats and snuck them in the apartments I lived in... one of my cats I will always have... he is 6 years old and his name is turd... lol what a name... he earned it though... I didn't name him my husband did... lol I had saved turd from a four lane highway... in the pouring down rain it was raining so hard I couldn't see a thing... there was something in the middle lane... the turning lane so I stopped... I don't know what made me stop but there was an urgence for me to stop and it was so strong when I passed it up... well just to satisfy this urgency... I turned around and went back and there in the middle of a shredded diesal tire what a little silvester type black and white cat... I quickly picked him up and wrapped him up in my jacket... I was on my way to trim my horses hooves... so I got to the barn got a towl and I dried him off... I love cats... but they look weird wet lol... well when I got him home... I feed him I only had one cat and they got along with each other the first time... well I saw him trying to go in the corner and I took him to the litter box... and he clawed me to get away from it... it was white round and nothing over it or anything... just a plane pan.. ok I started taking him outside to do his business... then he started liking to be outside... I couldn't have a cat in the apartment. So I put him in the litter pan again... I let him watch the other cat do her business... lol he was skittish of the litter box... I got off vacation... then I returned to work the next day... apperently he got in with the front of his body and his hind legs were still on the edge of the box... and he took his business all on the outside of the litter pan... my husband was my boyfriend at that time... and I said no I am not going to have this... lol I took turd and put him in the litter box when he tried to off the outside of the box and I held him in the litter pan until he did his business... I am the only one who had injuries... I had claw marks on my hands... but he now does his business in the litter box... lol there were fecies everywhere on me my clothes and on him... I had to give him a bath and that is how he got his name... can I see a picture of your edith... and I will stay by crystal tonight and tomorrow... I have to lay by her and her kittens so I make me a bed on the floor in the living room and that is where I sleep... I thank you for everything again... lol I just can't stop thanking everyone... you just don't know how much this means to me... daisy

What I meant is they are cute to some people while they are kittens... but to some people they don't want the full grown cat anymore... so they get rid of them by dropping them off somewhere\
Daisy

Here is the "Edith is a mommy" thread:

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/cats/e...my-461542.html