There's only one coil on your car.

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There's only one coil on your car.

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Thank you

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There's only one coil on your car.

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I had the ignition module tested and it is good there are two coil packs on the car we are not getting any spark could both coils go out at the same time what should I do now

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i had the ignition module tested and it is good there are two coil packs on the car we are not getting any spark could both coils go out at the same time what should i do now

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Is there anyway to test the plug in that goes into the module to see if I am getting any juice to the module if not should I just replace the icm and coils

Bench testing ICMs and coils is not reliable. Too often they test fine but don't work at all. I would install a new ICM and two new coil packs, if that's what you have. The AutoZone site shows only one coil for your engine and a coil pack housing. I recommend replacing ICMs and coils every 120,000 or 10 years, whichever comes first.

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Bench testing ICMs and coils is not reliable. Too often they test fine but don't work at all. I would install a new ICM and two new coil packs, if that's what you have. The AutoZone site shows only one coil for your engine and a coil pack housing. I recommend replacing ICMs and coils every 120,000 or 10 years, whichever comes first.

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Is there any way I can test the end of the plug that goes into the module to see if there is juice going to the module

I'm not familiar enough with your car to say. You should consult a Haynes Manual, if you want to do that.

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I'm not familiar enough with your car to say. You should consult a Haynes Manual, if you want to do that.

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Does the ignition relay have anything to with firing

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we replaced the ignition switch and the car will crank from the inside but will not start the motor jumps when you try and start it what could be the problem now could it be the ignition module

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The motor "jumps"?
Has anyone checked to see if the engine is perhaps seized?

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I'm not familiar enough with your car to say. You should consult a Haynes Manual, if you want to do that.

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We put a new icm and coils on the car still not firing what now

Do you have spark?

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Do you have spark?

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No

You need a Haynes Manual on your car and see what tests they recommend that we have not performed. I'm not that familiar with your car to get more specific than I have. Ensure all under dash and under hood fuses test OK with the test light or multimeter. Make sure you get the sense that the PCM (computer) is working.

Make sure your've performed the tests in the link below:

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/cars-t...ml#post2123675

Sorry I can't offer more help.

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You need a Haynes Manual on your car and see what tests they recommend that we have not performed. I'm not that familiar with your car to get more specific than I have. Ensure all under dash and under hood fuses test OK with the test light or multimeter. Make sure you get the sense that the PCM (computer) is working. Sorry I can't offer more help.

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That is OK thank you for all the help you have gave me my brother in law is going to test the sensors on sat or sun will let you know what we find out once again thank you

Please, read post # 49 on this thread.
You won't have spark via the Crank Position Sensor (CPS) if the engine doesn't turn.
Can you move the engine through an entire 360° revolution? As in: no mechanical damage internally?

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The anti-theft system may be preventing the car from starting. It would likely take the dealer to solve, if this is the situation.

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Please, read post # 49 on this thread.
You won't have spark via the Crank Position Sensor (CPS) if the engine doesn't turn.
Can you move the engine through an entire 360° revolution? As in: no mechanical damage internally?

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Thought:

The anti-theft system may be preventing the car from starting. It would likely take the dealer to solve, if this is the situation.

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Correct-a-mundo!

You'll need someone locally with the tools and talents to finish this diagnosis.
Then, all the bits and pieces will come together.

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Please, read post # 49 on this thread.
You won't have spark via the Crank Position Sensor (CPS) if the engine doesn't turn.
Can you move the engine through an entire 360° revolution? As in: no mechanical damage internally?

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Where is the crank position sensor located on a 98 pontiac grand am with a 2.4 motor

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Correct-a-mundo!!

You'll need someone locally with the tools and talents to finish this diagnosis.
Then, all the bits and pieces will come together.

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How do I test to find out if it is the anti theft system would that also cause it not to have spark

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where is the crank position sensor located on a 98 pontiac grand am with a 2.4 motor

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Lower front of engine.
Attachment 28497

Viewed from the right front (RF):

Attachment 28498

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how do I test to find out if it is the anti theft system would that also cause it not to have spark

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Even if you already have the experience to trace an open in the circuits, the list of steps in this diagnosis is far greater than can be posted here.
If you have the necessary diagnostic tools, you need the manual to diag the security system.

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Lower front of engine.
Attachment 28497

Viewed from the right front (RF):

Attachment 28498


Even if you already have the experience to trace an open in the circuits, the list of steps in this diagnosis is far greater than can be posted here.
If you have the necessary diagnostic tools, you need the manual to diag the security system.

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The crank sensor was unplugged and the wire was split they plugged the sensor in and fixed the wire and the car runs now thank you for all your help

Congratulations! I know this has been a real battle for you.

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Congratulations! I know this has been a real battle for you.

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Yes it has thank you for your help I really appreciate it the funny thing is they fixed it 2 days after my birthday so that was a great late birthday present