Happy New Year Everyone!

I am currently researching Girty's Island in the Maumee River, near Florida Ohio. Looking for artifacts from a time long ago.

So far I know that Simon Girty hid there and his brother George had a trading post, both in the 1700's. I have also learned that there was other structures built on the island in the early 1900's, one being a victorian amusement park. I have also heard rumors that there was also a dance hall at one time.

This past summer, I found the remains of an old foundation and the remains of a log used in the building with the log tag still attached. This foundation is nothing like what we see today. I am looking for information that may lead me to what remains I have found so I can identify the time in which it was built. I am also looking to know what all structures once stood on the island. This would help date any artifacts I may find.

Sincerely hoping someone know something. :)

I put this response in the other thread... hope it helps?

I wonder if you've had an opportunity to meet with
The City of Defiance, City Historian Randy Buchman?

I know he is EXTREMELY knowledgeable about the area and would highly suggest contacting him. He has done digs at some of the forts... etc.

In the 1780's Simon Girty and his brother had a Trading Post in the bend of the Maumee
River on Highway 24, about 7 miles from Defiance State Park, on Girty's Island.
Outlaw Simon Girty had a cabin near Fort Miami and robbed pioneers and helped the Indians(not the ones at your local MiniMart) fight colonist During the Indian War of 1790-
1796, using Fort Miami for protection. He ammassed a large store of coins and other valuables which he buried in various caches around the fort. Girty went to Canada in 1800 and was never allowed to reenter the U.S. and his plundered treasure was never recovered.
Fort Miami, AKA Fort Campbell, founded by the French in 1748 on the site of a Fur Trading post and stockade. The Fort was taken over by the British from 1763-1812.

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I put this response in the other thread... hope it helps?

I wonder if you've had an opportunity to meet with
The City of Defiance, City Historian Randy Buchman??

I know he is EXTREMELY knowledgable about the area and would highly suggest contacting him. He has done digs at some of the forts... etc.

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No I haven't, but I will now. Thank you so much! My search started three years ago with a ghost story of Simon Girty of Girty's Island from a friend who grew up on the river. I had no idea how rich the history is on the river I love so much. I have been hooked ever since.

You've got me very interested in visiting the island. My dad said he was there once about 40 years ago. Is the island owned by anyone? Open for visitors? Or what is the situation? Maybe it is a state property? Just wondering. Would it make a good place to do primitive camping in warmer weather?

Again, I want to thank you for your info. I now have Professor Buchman's e-mail (it only took an hour of searching. Found him at Defiance College) and I plan on e-mailing him next.

The island is not state property and who owns it now is what I am currently searching for also. I do know it has been sold several times going back in history.

Many people go to the island for fun in the sun. Mostly to party. I know because on my adventures, I have picked up their trash. It makes me very sad that these people don't have any respect for nature or history.

You can go to Henry County history sight and get driving directions to the island. However, I don't know if you can get on the island without a boat. If you can, it would be from the north side of the river. I am planning a trip now to see if it is possible. The best time to explore would be in the winter or early spring because in many places, the island is like a jungle with so much under-growth. Getting these driving directions, I discovered that a small part of the erie canal still stands just west of the island. I plan on seeing this too.

I am dying to get back to the old foundation I found (found it right before boating season ended for us). I know this must be very old because it is not a solid foundation. Just corner cement pieces with cement barriers like blocks every eight to ten feet apart where the walls would have been. I also found an old septic canal made of brick that took waste water away from this structure.

I also came across an old Oliver tractor from the 40's and what is left of an old car. How they got this stuff on the island, I haven't a clue. I also found several old junk piles around and near the foundation area. I was so busy going through these piles for clues as to what era they were, I never got a chance to use my metal detector. That is why I can't wait to get back there. Plus the chance of finding something from the 1700's on top of something from the late 1800's, early 1900's, wow! I am not looking for riches, just the opportunity to find and hold a piece of history in my hands. If you get a chance, you must go back to the island.

Awesome... my dad told me it had been used as sort of an amusement park a long time back, and that people were ferried over. Can't wait to get out that way!

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Awesome... my dad told me it had been used as sort of an amusement park a long time back, and that people were ferried over. Can't wait to get out that way!

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This is great news! That means that the facts I found this past weekend is true! Who doesn't drop some change at an amusement part. Wouldn't it be great to find an old dime or quarter from the early 1900's! Did your Dad ever mention the time frame of the park?

And my biggest news is that Professor Buchman e-mailed me back! He is currently switching over to a new lap top with a new program. Once done, he promised to send me much information that will help in my search.

I don't know where you live, but if I can help you to get on the island, you are more then welcome to come with me and my husband by boat if it can't be reached by land.

Your postings are quite interesting. I used to live in the Napoleon area and would venture into the countryside looking for old farmhouses, etc. One thing I would like to tell you about when you are hunting out on the island. Should you come across any old glass bottles buried (or unburied) save them and bring them home as they can be worth quite a tidy sum for the real old ones. There is an antique bottle club that I used to belong to that meets once a month in Wadsworth area at the local Eagles Club. They would meet the last Wed or Thurs of the month. They would find your bottles most interesting. They have a web site - Ohio Bottle Club.

Thanks for the tip! Last summer, I was out picking up aluminum cans from the ditch along the road... a very slow and only half buried treasure? But I found an old blue bottle that I brought home. Before that, I even found an unused police bullet on one of my hikes... I turned it in, and it was estimated at 20 years old... how they could tell I have no idea but it was interesting... a few other items I found that way include various tools... so one never knows what to expect... my mom once put some cans in her van only to have a snake come out of one of them and slither around under the seats and over her feet before they could get it out of the van!!

They have guest speakers at their monthly meetings. They are a fun bunch of people from all walks of life. The members bring in their old bottle collections for everyone to goo over. There was a dig in Akron where a lot of bottles were uncovered from a bottle plant back in the late 1860's in that area. It was where a new library was going up. The curator of the local museum was there with the actual bottles for everyone to look over, handle, etc. They are most interested in anything old from Ohio, not just old bottles. They like old houses also. One speaker happily educated us in the different architectural styles of the different homes in Ohio going back to the 1700's. I had no idea we had such diverse architectural styles here. It was quite fascinating.

By the way, some of the old bottles are worth big bucks, too. So you might want to keep that in mind if you unearth an old bottle. The club members would be more than delighted to help you discover how old your bottle is and what it is worth and maybe buy it off you as they are always looking for "finds". They go out on their own private digs also all over this area. They have old milk bottle collections also. Who would think that an old milk bottle could be worth anything!

I live in the Keys, and look for old things on the bottom of the ocean or on land and in the Mangroves. One time, while my girl was shopping, I ran through the woods doing a quick exploration, and found the coolest bottle.
It said "John Walker and Sons", 1820, it had a big wide neck with a lead seal around the neck, Kind of a Mateuse type bottle. Looked like maybe had been in a mold or something as it has swirl on the surface of the bottle, with Raised Flowers. Also the bottom you could almost slide a pencil under it, as it was rounded, as to be able to rest on your leg more comfortably. Went to bottle sites, no on can identify.
Went to John walker site and the have an "1820" but that is a modern bottle, I think they never heard of it either. It looks 180 years old?

That does sound like the real McCoy. I'd contact Johnny Walker factory and see if they can help you. Most old bottles were hand blown and not in molds however. You can tell if it's handblown from the pontil mark on the bottom of the botte. If it has a pontil mark you have yourself a rare old bottle.

I sent that bottle Out West to a family member from Edinburogh(Forgive spelling). They had a leak in the Bathroom, an idiot contractor sealed area in plastic, which created a mold factory. House had to be destroyed, Storage company had moved items into storage,
Not safe for her to have the Bottle? Minerals and books I have been sending my niece.
Their was a lawsuit, Storage company "Lost" many things,among them was that bottle.
It is the only one I ever saw. Except later saw one on eBay. I bid on it, but did not keep up
And did not get bottle, I believe it to be the same one. Hindsight, I should have "Looked at sellers other items". The only way this could be solved is if eBay, could Verify Item was from "Vegas", It would give them cause to look further, I can not get a hold of the right person.
If Seller worked at the company or associates, would be easy for Detective to Figure out,
Down here, their success rate is not good, Many crimes here go unsolved.

Ebay is the happy recipient of many stolen items. I've read many articles where the thief waits a week or so and then lists the stolen items on Ebay. I hope it was not too long ago, but then if someone actually bought the bottle you'd have to prove you owned it in the first place, that it was "lost" and that they are in the possession of stolen goods.

Rule of thumb. Anytime you give or lend anything to anybody... don't look to see it coming back in a big hurry, if ever! I don't lend books to anyone. I just outright give them away as I never see them again.

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Your postings are quite interesting. I used to live in the Napoleon area and would venture into the countryside looking for old farmhouses, etc. One thing I would like to tell you about when you are hunting out on the island. Should you come across any old glass bottles buried (or unburied) save them and bring them home as they can be worth quite a tidy sum for the real old ones. There is an antique bottle club that I used to belong to that meets once a month in Wadsworth area at the local Eagles Club. They would meet the last Wed or Thurs of the month. They would find your bottles most interesting. They have a web site - Ohio Bottle Club.

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Thank you very much for your information. So far I have found a particle bottle (the very top and the opening). My friend who was with me is a chemist and told me to keep it for two reasons. The clear had became pearl-like, which means it should be around a hundred years old (the time it takes for glass to become pearl-like). And the opening has no seam, meaning it was hand form, not processed. Sice this is your area, are these facts true?

The same friend lives in an old farm house in Portage, Ohio. In his back yard, he has dug up many old bottles and he gave me one. It is a complete bottle, small. On one side, in raised lettering states "DOCT MARSHALLS". On the other side "SNUFF" is in raised lettering. Like the partial I found, it too is clear glass which has became pearl-like. What can you tell me about this bottle?

From Washington PA, on an old farm, I found a two blue mason jar. Do these hold any historical value? On the same trip, I also collected several old soda bottles, labeled Washington Cola Company, which Coke bought out many, many years ago. Is there any worth to these bottles?

Looking forward to hearing from you!

Can't tell you the worth of the bottles but I can tell you that when the bottles have no side seams they were definitely hand blown and signify earlier bottles. Old mason jars are sometimes rare and valuable. Some people collect these rarer ones. The value again is whether they are rare. The fact you collect the old coke bottles you will notice that each different community had their own bottles made especially for them. Years ago this was the practice as there really was no trucking industry as we know now existed and they had to have the bottles manufactured relatively close to where the product was made.

http://www.ohiobottles.freehomepage.com/ This is the home page for the Ohio Bottle Club. They have what is called "Shows" around the state of Ohio periodically throughout the year. I just checked the site and it's not been updated in awhile as Brian Arman must be busy again. But you can shoot him an email and find out if any shows are coming to your area this calendar year. I know him and he's a nice guy in his 20's.

You may take your bottles to these shows and usually there are several enthusiasts there would will be more than happy to help you discover just how much your bottles are worth. I am surprised that a teeny tiny bottle that once held medicine would be worth more than a much bigger older bottle. The value depends on its scarcity. Ohio has the largest old bottle club in the nation, by the way.

I do have to warn you, though, once you start collecting and discovering old bottles... you're going to be hooked! But seriously, it's a fun hobby to have if you like digging around. The best places to find bottles are around old properties like old farmhouses in the family dump or the family privy (believe it or not) as they really didn't have trash collection available back in the 1800's and a family would just throw any and everything in the privy and when it would get filled up they'd just dig a new one nearby and start all over again! I'd hear stories from the members about privy and trash pile digging finding all kinds of neat valuable items and bottles.

I don't remember if there is any kind of entrance fee for the shows, but if there is, it is well worth the entrance fee as old bottles are fascinating. They also have loads of good food available that the members of the club cook themselves. Very good food by the way. These people sure know how to eat. If you also can come to the monthly meetings in Wadsworth, usually in the evenings starting at 6:30PM and running till 9:30PM or so and they always have some kind of snack free of charge available. The yearly dues are in the $15 range for a whole family. That entitles you to get the monthly newsletter called the Swirl mailed to you. That little monthly newsletter has lots of color pictures and plenty of history of old bottles.

I'd love to hear more of your adventures on Girty's Island also as I am fascinated with old Ohio. Also, if you can locate where you think a house once was I'm sure you will find a real treasure trove in the family junk pit.

I have a signed first edition book about Ohio's history starting back in the 1700's that I got at Goodwill for 25 cents. This area used to be called the Western Reserve as it actually had something to do with Connecticut!

Connecticut Western Reserve - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This link talks about how the area got the name... My son's one ancestor actually came to Cleveland as a surveyor with Moses Cleaveland. I've tried to find official documents listing all the members of the survey party, but the closest I have come is that a party of approximately 23 men (I don't remember without looking it up again) but I didn't find any names... The family story is that he was offered land where Public Square is now located in Cleveland, but instead chose land east of the area as payment for his work...

The Moses Cleaveland survey party had a Seth Pease along as a surveyor and in 1796 he was astronomer and surveyor and returned the following year as chief surveyor. In 1806 he was commissioned to survey the area west of the Cuyahoga River. He made a map of Cleveland at the time of the first survey and one of the Western Reserve two years later. His field books and journals have been valuable sources of information. During the Jefferson and Madison administrations he served as assistant postmaster to General Gideon Granger, his brother in law.

Seth Pease and Abraham Tappen made an early map of the Connecticut Western Reserve in 1798.

James Kingsbury was the first permanent settler in the Western Reserve coming from Alsted, New Hampshire in 1796. He became a Judge in 1800 and Elected a member of the Ohio Legislature in 1805.

Moses Cleaveland, a graduate of Yale and a lawyer, made a land purchase of $32,600 and was selected as the agent of the Connecticut Land Company. In company with civil engineers, mathematicians, surveyors, an astronomer, a commissary, boatmen, and many helpers he undertook the long trip to the Western Reserve in May, 1796. His instructions were to make treaties with the Indians, to lay out a city, and to lead the survey of the entire Western Reserve.

This is from the book A Pictorial History of the Western Reserve 1796 to 1860 book I have by Margaret Manor Butler.

At least I found two additional names for you to try and research!

If you go to the north shore of Girty's Island, there you will find Gunn Cemetery. I can't recall his first name, but "Mr" Gunn fought in the Rev. war, then returned and build the house that one of his relatives still lives in today (Eberle's). It is on SR 424, light blue, and across the highway from a "sheep grazing area." Just a little more info. Also, in Napoleon Russell Patterson is a tremendous source of history. You could get find out how to get ahold of him through the historical society across from the Napoleon Public Library. While your researching Girty's, inquire about the brass cannon supposedly off the Eastern point of the island. ;)

I am familiar with the Gunn family name. The land they live on is still called Girty's Point. Simon Girty had a log cabin on that land that still stood when the Gunn family took over the land many, many years ago.

As for the brass cannon, through my research, it is said that it was long ago removed from the Island. Have you came across anything that makes this fact true? I would think that long ago, a historical society would have collected this item.

Would you know anything about a victorian amusement park that once was on the island? Or a old time dance hall? My research has told me that it was there, but for the life of me, I can't find the name of the park. I know that a steam ferry named the "Pastime" ferried people to the park (I found a picture of the boat, so I know that part is true).. That is far as I have gotten. Dead end!

Every time the Island comes up, someone mentions the cannon... sorta like a folk-story. I was told (unconfirmed) that a group of researchers looked for it some time ago, but if you're familiar with the river bottom, it cold have sunk to China by now. :)

Another person you may want to contact in Napoleon is Attorney David Meekison, Sr.
He has helped me identifiy a picture that I was researching from the 1930's. He looked at it and IMMEDIATELY told me who it was. Other than that, My Grandmother (90 YOA) has mentioned the dance hall. I'll see what I can find out.

Just curious... do you plan on publishing your findings, or is this a personal quest?

Yes, I am VERY familiar with the river bottom and I am still laughing! That was good! :)

This is just a personal quest. When I first started boating, friends who grown up on the river took me to Girty's Island with the tale of Simon Girty walking the island at night. That started my research and I have been going strong now for three plus years. Doing my research on Girty's Island has taught me so much about the canal, that Providence Park was a town at one time, the building of the dams, Turkey Foot Creek, the town of Texas, Battle of Fallen Timbers, etc.. I just can't get enough. I am just amazed how much history is along that part of the river (I am originally from Michigan). To find a small piece of that history thrills me to no end. I have concentrated on the Island first since that is what started my quest and it is listed as a boater's resort, so I believe it is okay for me to walk the island.

By researching all that was on the island long ago, will help me with dating something I may find. For example, last summer I found an old foundation unlike anything I have seen before. It wasn't a complete foundation, just corners and side pieces placed every eight to ten feet. Now I need to know if it was George Girty's trading post, the amusement park, or the dance hall. What ever it was, was built with logs. One badly decayed log remained with the metal tag still attached that numbered what wall and row that log belong to (my first treasure).

I want to thank you for your information and the good laugh! Since you mentioned the cannon, you should know the ghost story, that started this for me, revolves around that cannon. It is said that at night, Simon Girty comes out and polishes the cannon where it used to stand. I don't think I will ever go the island at night...

My grandfather was born on Girty's Island in 1897. Yes to amusement park, yes to dance hall, yes to the Girty brothers but also include Indians.

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My grandfather was born on Girty's Island in 1897. Yes to amusement park, yes to dance hall, yes to the Girty brothers but also include Indians.

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That is wonderful information! If your grandfather was born on the island, then a home once stood on the island also. Would you know the general location of the home? How did they get to and from the island? My research states that farming was done on the island because of the rich soil. Was your grandfather one of those who farmed the land? Another person who I spoke with through Ask Me, his father-in-law once farmed the island. If you don't mind me asking, what is your grandfather's family name. The family names that I know so far who once owned the island are Wait, Chalutz, and Chalutz.

Is there anything pasted down in the family that states the names of the amusement park or the dance hall? The period when these structures were there?

I didn't mean to offend anyone by not mentioning Indians, but I haven't nor will I ever forget the Indians. My grandmother on my Dad's side is American Indian (she just turned 89) and I am very proud of what little part I have inherit from her. To be honest, that has been the hardest and the saddest part of this research. So much fighting and loss and I feel it deeply. It hurts me. I will never understand why everyone couldn't just live side-by-side. There was so much to share. I know it was possible because Peter Manor, the founder of the town of Providence (now Providence Park) was very close friends with a great Indian Chief. That is how Peter got his land, his friend gave it to him.

I was kind of thinking that perhaps history needs to be rewritten for Simon Girty as far as him being considered a traitor. From what I have been able to find, he was closely affiliated with the Indians... Native Americans to be PC... and I feel that his allegiance was justified. His country was that of the Native Americans and it seems to me that he tried to keep the lands from being taken from their control. It is rare in history to find someone who did not treat them as savages to be taken advantage of and forced off their lands.

This guy was one of the earliest activists and seems to have been labeled as a traitor as a result. He really needs to be studied closer.

Thanks for answering! I'm really just starting to delve into this whole Girty's Island thing, but my dad brought it up this past weekend when I was there for his 85th birthday! My great-grandpa's name was Michael Cramer and so far story has it that he and his wife lived on the island and got back and forth by barge. During the winter they had to move to the 'mainland' because if the river wasn't solid they couldn't get back and forth. There's something in the hisotry about great-grandpa and Simon Girty and I think a sqaw. When I get more I'll let you know.
Also, I too think Simon Girty gets a bad rap in the history books. Don't know facts, just a feeling.
Writing from work, so will be in touch later.

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I was kind of thinking that perhaps history needs to be rewritten for Simon Girty as far as him being considered a traitor. From what I have been able to find, he was closely affiliated with the Indians... Native Americans to be PC... and I feel that his allegiance was justified. His country was that of the Native Americans and it seems to me that he tried to keep the lands from being taken from their control. It is rare in history to find someone who did not treat them as savages to be taken advantage of and forced off of their lands.

This guy was one of the earliest activists and seems to have been labeled as a traitor as a result. He really needs to be studied closer.

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I agree with you! Here is his story GREATLY summarized: When Simon was a young boy living in Pennsylvania, the French and Indian War happened. He and his family sought safety with the Delaware Indians at Fort Granville. Soon that fort was taken over capturing everyone staying there. The Seneca Indians rescued Simon and brought him to Ohio (he was in his early teens at this time). The Seneca Indians adopted him as one of their own.
Later down the road he was reunited with his mother. When the American Revolution broke out, Simon served as an interpreter. He worked hard to make peace, but grow tired of what was being done to the Native Americans and quit. This is why was has been stated as being a traitor in history. He was labeled "the white savage" when the Delaware Indians captured and tortured Colonel William Crawford in 1782 in retaliation for the Gnadenhutten Massacre where 96 Delaware Indians were killed. Men, woman, and their children. Simon was present during this tortured and when Williams begged him to end his tortured by shooting him, Simon did not. If he had, this would have meant his own death by this own people for stopping their justice. This one main event is what labeled him as we read about him in history.

Hello All! I was "invited" to this thread with a specific question... and then invited to post the answer! Cool! :) I love personal invites... makes me feel special!

Here's the original question asked of me in a PM: Hey, I wanted to ask if you've ever came across much information on Simon Girty in your historical research? There has been some discussion of him on here, but I thought you might be interested...

Seems he was raised by Indians after being captured... was present at numerous Indian battles. He was considered to be a traitor to the Americans... he sided with Americans and then with English at various battles... I am wondering if there is a way to have history take another look at him...

Seems like he may have been playing both sides in an effort to promote the best advantage for native americans...

In that way, he may have been one of the first Civil Rights advocates??? Any ideas or something you might be interested in???

My answer:
See, this is the perfect example of why I love history! History is a record of what happened, but through the eyes of so many different opinions.

I have heard both sides - the side that he was branded a traitor leading to his ultimate settling in Canada, rather than the US. And also the side that he was simply misunderstood and mis-recorded in the pages of history.

The basic facts stand true:

- He was captured and raised by the Indians.
- He was 23 when he was "returned" to civilization.
- When he was returned, he left the Indians with detailed knowledge of over 10 Indian dialects - a useful and viable commodity for that day.
- Due to his fluency in Indian dialects, he was immediately claimed by the British Indian Dept (is that what it was called?) and served as a liaison.
- He befriended Simon Kenton (a very important character trait that comes up again in his history)
-He was disenchanted with the British Dept because of his lack of promotion, even though he deserved it, but could not bypass prejudice and yes, civil rights issues.
- He saved Simon Kenton from death (stake? Burning?) at the hands of Iroquois? Mohawk? Can't remember exactly.
- He tried to save Colonel Crawford but was told that he would take his place if he continued in his appeal... this tells me that he didn't just simply stand by and watch, but that he really appealed and did what he could.

All this adds up to a man who was what you say, a civil rights activist. Not because of his color or his heritage, but because of his experiences. He was raised by the Indians, an obvious no-no at the time... but he made the most of it, tried to make a difference, and was still rejected by the societal norm.

So, yes, I do believe that he was one of the first Civil Rights activists, and yes, I do believe that history should take another look at Simon Girty.

Great question! I tend to look at the whole picture - pro and con if you will - and then form a conclusion.

There is so much more to his story - the British Dept... being a Lieutenant in the Virginia Militia... so much more... but in my humble opinion, he was a misunderstood man who was trying to make the best of his past and coming to terms with who he was.

Forgot to say that yes, I agree with your interpretation of Simon Girty as doing what was necessary to secure the fairest of treatment to the Native Americans.

I think he really did have a respect and a personal "duty" to protect the interests of the Native Americans. Historical documents and history books have recorded his efforts to do what he could to give back to the Native Americans that raised him... despite what seemed to be traitorous actions. Historical records have proven that everything wasn't as black and white as we would like to believe it was when it came to the Native Americans.

And I would love to know more...

If I remember hearing correctly girty's island was also the site of 4-H camp before Camp Palmer.

Also I would like to know what you know about the area especially the turkeyfoot region(its my backyard), and where to find more. Please email me at [email protected]

Thanks

Sorry I know nothing of the Turkeyfoot region other than some reference to it on line.

I did go out to see Girty's Island today from the road. What a mess! From what I could see, a huge tangle of trees, weeds, and whatnot that looked like it was soaked in a lot of mud. It looked so different in the early autumn!

I also heard mention of the cannon story while I was checking to see if I was looking at the right place...

Here is something on Turkeyfoot?
toledoblade.com -- History on the rocks: Researcher says Turkey Foot Rock is upside down

I'm watching an old Daniel Boone movie tonight, and guess who was portrayed as a major bad guy... Simon Girty! The name of the movie is Daniel Boone, Trail Blazer.

Just found it interesting. That led me to search for a little more information...

Re: Jacob Teter/ Update, Samuel G Teater Simon Girty

Not sure that is all correct, but has some interesting connections... and talks about the Girty's

The name Gibson is also in my family tree, so I'm going to have to do a bit more research on that line... It's a very difficult one to trace though.

I went to the Henry County Ohio courthouse on Friday, and was told that Girty's Island belongs to the Ohio Department of Natural Resources.

I am a Girty, on my father's side and I claim Simon Girty as a distant uncle of mine. Yes, I have read of Girty Island in a History of Ohio book I found in the reference section of the Toledo, Lucas Co. Library. I have also read many Historically based novels that have had details of the escapades and movements of the Girty brothers. (James A. Thom, "Warrior Woman") I pass across the Maumee River each morning going to work and looking at the mist on the water it brings to mind "Girty Island" and all of the actions of those times. This morning I googled "Girty Island" and found this site. Good luck in your search. If I discover any more factual information I will pass the references on to you.
Simon Girty is often referred to as a "Scoundrel" but we must remember who wrote in those times, well off white men who had their stolen native lands and property to protect from the Girty's who ran with the natives trying to preserve their right to exist in their native lands. (I am also part Cherokee.):)

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Happy New Year Everyone!

I am currently researching Girty's Island in the Maumee River, near Florida Ohio. Looking for artifacts from a time long ago.

So far I know that Simon Girty hid there and his brother George had a trading post, both in the 1700's. I have also learned that there was other structures built on the island in the early 1900's, one being a victorian amusement park. I have also heard rumors that there was also a dance hall at one time.

This past summer, I found the remains of an old foundation and the remains of a log used in the building with the log tag still attached. This foundation is nothing like what we see today. I am looking for information that may lead me to what remains I have found so I can identify the time period in which it was built. I am also looking to know what all structures once stood on the island. This would help date any artifacts I may find.

Sincerely hoping someone know something. :)

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My husband's grandmother's parents owned this island in the early 1900's, and she did a nice history and map of the island. It had amusements and a dance hall, refreshments along with the beach and lodging, and ferrying transportation for visitors. I will try to get this typed and copied so you can view it for comparison today.

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Originally Posted by MPratt

My husband's grandmother's parents owned this island in the early 1900's, and she did a nice history and map of the island. It had amusements and a dance hall, refreshments along with the beach and lodging, and ferrying transportation for visitors. I will try to get this typed and copied so you can view it for comparison today.

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Good Lord, if you could get me a copy of the map showing the lay out of the park words could not describe how thankful I would be.

I contacted a very nice gentlemen from the Henry County historical Society over the winter and he sent me a write up with pictures that someone sent to the historical society. Your husband must be related to the Voights I am guessing.

This past Saturday, I spent four hours walking the entire island. Leaving the island was bitter-sweet for me. I discovered a lot and a lot of pieces of the puzzle are still missing. The saddest part was knowing this park (and the island itself) truly is a historical sight on the Maumee River and so little of it remains because of the Maumee River. I only hope that my postings will help keep this history alive.

The write-up I received placed structures as it related to the ferry landing. My husband was the one that found the ferry landing. One very large timber remains and a short piece of cable anchored in the ground. A tree still stands that shows the marks where the cable once wrapped around it.

Just to the west of the landing, I found what remains of what I believe to be the ice house. Going north from the ferry landing, I found an old arch which I believe may be the entrance to the park, leading to the house. I have not found any remains of the house as of yet. I believe in later years, this area may have been farmed and the foundation covered. If you can find out if the park entrance did have an arch, then I will know the area behind it is where the house once stood. The pictures of the house that I have may have been taken while standing under this arch. Without the house location, I am missing the location of the refreshment stand that stood next to the house. The area behind the arch has trees, but they are young enough to tell me they weren't there a 100 years ago. To the northwest of the arch, I ran across the strange foundation I found last fall. With the information I received this winter, I believe this to be the stables where visitors stabled their horses while on the island. Next to this structure, I uncovered a coil of cable which I am sure was used for the ferry. North of the stable, I found a very small foundation, which I haven't a clue what it is. I was hoping this was one of the three cottages, but no way to know for sure. Along with the cottages, there was the dance hall, bowling alley, race track and I am totally lost as to where any of these once stood. The write-up states that one cottage still stands because it was make of stone, but I did not see it and I was all over the island.

I did make it to the beach area where the bath houses once stood, but being at the head of the island I am sure the Mighty Maumee took those remains a long time ago. I did find an entire skeleton of what I believe to be a very, very large hog/sow that was once buried about 5 feet down and with the flooding this spring was unearthed. This has both me and my husband stumped. The park would may have served roasted pig, not buried it. Do you have any ideas?

I do have some very good pictures of everything I discovered that I would be happy to pass along to you. Your husband's family may want to have these as it is part of their family history.

Looking forward to hearing from you!

And to my other fellow explorers who have helped me with this historical search, yes, I am still going strong and loving it. As for the ghost of Mr. Simon Girty, he must be resting in peace in the great beyond since I did not see him. For this, I am glad.

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I am a Girty, on my father's side and I claim Simon Girty as a distant uncle of mine. Yes, I have read of Girty Island in a History of Ohio book I found in the reference section of the Toledo, Lucas Co. Library. I have also read many Historically based novels that have had details of the escapades and movements of the Girty brothers. (James A. Thom, "Warrior Woman") I pass across the Maumee River each morning going to work and looking at the mist on the water it brings to mind "Girty Island" and all of the actions of those times. This morning I googled "Girty Island" and found this site. Good luck in your search. If I discover any more factual information I will pass the references on to you.
Simon Girty is often referred to as a "Scoundrel" but we must remember who wrote in those times, well off white men who had their stolen native lands and property to protect from the Girty's who ran with the natives trying to preserve their right to exist in their native lands. (I am also part Cherokee.):)

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I am in agreement with "Oneguyinohio" that Simon Girty may have been the first activist noted in history, not a "Scoundrel". The way I see it, the Native Americans would have used a few more Simon Girtys. Someone to stand for what is right and not take their land.

I read an article that stated that if it was not for the Greenville Treaty, that Michigan, Indiana, and Wisconsin would not have became ours (I guess meaning the British would have gotten them during that time in history). Do you know anything about this? How does taking land from the Native Americans, which the Treaty did, make a difference in getting these sates?

I think it is a reference to the claim that the British had on the lands at the same time. When the French were defeated through an alliance with the Native Americans, the British claimed those lands. At about the same time, the British policy began not giving any support to the tribes that had assisted the British... nor did the British share in the claim of the new lands... Those policies drove a wedge between the Native Americans and the British. The small United States was able to exploit the division between the British and Native Americans when at the Treaty of Greenville, the native americans relinquished claims to the land... This is probably the source of the statements you discussed. It gave the United States a claim to those lands, while ignoring the British claims to it...

The link below goes into a lot of detail about various treaties and policies... hope it helps...
Native American Treaty Signers in the Great Lakes Region

Thanks for the information, I will check it out. Maybe it will help me understand why the Native Americans where told where to live vs. everyone living together as neighbors. Those were tough times to live, you would think that the more people in a community, the easier it would hae been on those people.

I also read where you posted that the DNR now owns Girty's Island (I am glad you made it over here!). Did it say as to when they bought it? Did you get a list of who hands the island passed through?