I am no longer clueless! :) Anyone reading this thread will find this passage about the Atocha enlightening. Talk about whetting an appetite for adverture, artifacts, fortune, inspiring one to perservere, this articile in full, will. Hope you enjoy the read.
Atocha.com :: History of the Nuestra Señora de Atocha


In 1973, three silver bars were found, and they matched the weights and tally numbers found on the Atocha's manifest, which had been transcribed from the original in Seville. This verified that Fisher was close to the major part of the wrecksite. In 1975, his son Dirk found five bronze cannon whose markings would clinch identification with the Atocha. Only days later, Dirk and his wife Angel, with diver Rick Gage, were killed when one of the salvage boats capsized. Yet Fisher and his intrepid crew persevered.

By 1980, they had found a significant portion of the remains of the Santa Margarita -- with a fortune in gold bars, jewelry and silver coins. On May 12, 1980, Fisher's son Kane discovered a complete section of the Margarita's wooden hull weighted down by ballast stones, iron cannon balls and artifacts of 17th century Spain.

On July 20, 1985, Kane Fisher, captain of the salvage vessel Dauntless, sent a jubilant message to his father's headquarters, "Put away the charts; we've found the main pile!" Ecstatic crew members described the find as looking like a reef of silver bars. Within days, the shipper's marks on the bars were matched to the Atocha's cargo manifest, confirming Kane's triumphant claim. At long last, the wreck's "motherlode" had been found -- and the excavation of what was widely referred to as the "shipwreck of the century" began.

Quickly, Duncan Mathewson, Mel Fisher's chief archaeologist, assembled a team of archaeologists and conservators from across the country to ensure that the artifacts and treasure were excavated and preserved properly. Because the material had lain on the ocean floor for three and a half centuries, much of it was in an extremely unstable state; immediate preservation treatment was required to prevent its destruction after it left its saltwater tomb.

Glad you are feeling better, and hope you have a speedy recovery! I found your story of the area and forts very interesting. In my genealogy research, I found that one of Daniel Boone's nephews who had done some work with Daniel Boone, married a daughter of a guy that is my direct ancestor known as Irish John Alford. Though it is not in my direct line, I find it very interesting. I also have a Captain Henry Farley in the family tree, who was active in Virginia around the revolutionary war, as well as in Indian battles. He evidently constructed a fort named for him. On my son's side of the family tree, there is a guy who was in charge of constructing or blacksmithing the large iron chains that were used at West Point to block ships from going up the river. Family rumors on that line also are that George Washington learned to survey from that family named "Call". There is no evidence that I know of to prove this, but it is a great family story... the story also goes on to say that when George Washington was very young, he ran off to join the British navy, and his mother sent some of the "Call" family to go get him and return him home. Again I do not know if there is any way to verify that story but it would be great to find additional support.
Later on in years, the family of "Call" also was active in the Mormon church when they were in Kirtland, Ohio. Although my son's direct ancestor did not go west or join the church, many of those with the same last name did. I have not been able to identify the relationship of my son's direct ancestor to those who did move west. I believe he was a brother, or some close relation, because of living in the same small area. He even worked on road repairs along with people with the same last name and others believed to be Brigham Young's children... as those entries only cited Brigham Young's... so perhaps the money was given to the church, but I do not know... who did join the church.

One story that has been passed down in that family is that when either Brigham Young or Joseph Smith were in Kirtland, they had a revival or outdoor sermon where the minister was going to demonstrate his faith in God by walking on water. Well my son's direct ancestor was with some other boys before hand, and discovered some boards placed under the surface of the water... the boards were moved so that when the walking on water was tried, the person fell off and into the water as the boys watched from a distance making a memorable story that has been passed along for generations.

Thank you for your well wishes. I am doing much better than I thought I might after yesterday. One of the guys who hit us told my husband, "I saw your wife and she was really bounced around inside that car a lot." We were hit by two different cars and spun around. I have the bruises to prove it and the soreness but got my neck adjusted, muscle spasms addressed and feeling so much better tonight. I thank the Lord no one was really hurt badly. I am glad you enjoyed the fort stories. When we first moved here from Missouri, I was totally drawn to the fort. I have always been a tomboy and enjoyed riding horses, motorcycles, climbing trees, hunting, fishing, etc. When I was little, I would put a piece of cardboard on the spokes of my bike with a clothespin to make it sound like a motorcycle then my daddy bought me one when I was 14. I know that movies have influenced us a lot regarding the 'old west' and such but even having that knowledge, even though it is Hollywood truth, has made me more aware and interested in artifacts, heritage, history, etc. so I count that as good. :) I have tried to introduce all of this to my children and now my grandchildren. I know we need to appreciate the present and appreciate the future but I think we also need not to forget the past and the paths our ancestors forged for us to be where we are today. I can't imagine cutting through dense timber to get a wagon through but many did, not having a clue what lie ahead. Well, I am getting carried away as usual.

Great stories Oneguy! It would be great if you could find documentation to support some of these stories and who knows... as you share on the post, maybe someone with knowledge of the same story will come across your post and... well... there you go!! :) I would like to hear more about Captain Henry Farley. Have you researched him much? Keep us posted as you have more to share.

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I believe the 3 Gourges Dam is mostly for Power Generation, probably water distribution also.
What I see a problem currently, is the need to Deal with Hoover Dam, Millions gallons of water goes to Feeding Vegas, and then the Lights, Electricity. There is only so much water.
The level is currently very low. Do you give up water or electricity first?
Hope the don't have a drought. I love Nevada, I hope Growth slows.

Oneguyinohio, That gold may be in the river, also that tree may be a stump, or a depression where it was removed?
Here is a link to current auctions for those atlasses. Didn't see the price I got them for, but they are available:

treasure atlas, Maps, Atlases, Globes, Consumer Electronics items on eBay.com.

Jrebel, oneguyin ohio, anyone else. Give location near you, and will see what I have, and Post back. I just got volunteered to go to store, will check back later. Take Care.

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I was a bit overwhelmed looking at all the books available. I could sure use your advice on the best ones to purchase if you have time. Thank you.

I know that the Captain Farley I previously mentioned had at least 20 children, and one branch of that Farley line (perhaps a brother) started the Farley Candy company that I think is still making candy today... maybe that is why I have such a sweet tooth?

Oh, and evidently Henry Clay is also a cousin in the family tree... so I felt a strong draw when I visited some of the rooms where the congress used to meet... certainly gave me a lot to imagine and think about!

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I know that the Captain Farley I previously mentioned had at least 20 children, and one branch of that Farley line (perhaps a brother) started the Farley Candy company that I think is still making candy today... maybe that is why I have such a sweet tooth?

Oh, and evidently Henry Clay is also a cousin in the family tree... so I felt a strong draw when I visited some of the rooms where the congress used to meet... certainly gave me a lot to imagine and think about!

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Sounds like you have a lot of information to begin a really accurate search for family history. Keep us posted. :)

Well, I've been into the family history stuff for over 20 years on and off. I do a little digging from time to time... My mom is getting it pretty well organized now.

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Well, I've been into the family history stuff for over 20 years on and off. I do a little digging from time to time... My mom is getting it pretty well organized now.

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Do you have any documents that tie things together? I would be interested to know a little about how you proceed with your searches. Do you use ancestry.com or Bible entries of family history, births and deaths, letters? As usual, Oneguy, I am full of questions! I am not looking for a formula of "how to", just interested in what path you and your family have taken in your search.

A lot of online stuff including books and census records. I joined ancestry.com a few months ago but most of it came from other sources and online boards. A lot of going to court houses and searching old records of marriage, birth, etc.

Newspapers on microfilm are also fun for me... I came across the treasure story I previously mentioned while doing genealogy hunting...

Also spent time at family history center looking through early Mormon records.

I have also been fortunate to connect with others who have common lines and have done parts that link with mine.

I thought of another article I found on my son's line... his gr-gr-gr-gr-grandfather was stabbed to death by a man over an argument about a pawned gun... the killer was the one who didn't pay but wanted his gun back... so the killer was hung from the town hanging hill... and my son lives very near that town. It was the last hanging in the area.
His family has lived very close for many generations.

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A lot of online stuff including books and census records. I joined ancestry.com a few months ago but most of it came from other sources and online boards. A lot of going to court houses and searching old records of marriage, birth, etc.

Newspapers on microfilm are also fun for me... I came across the treasure story I previously mentioned while doing geneology hunting...

Also spent time at family history center looking through early Mormon records.

I have also been fortunate to connect with others who have common lines and have done parts that link with mine.

I thought of another article I found on my son's line... his gr-gr-gr-gr-grandfather was stabbed to death by a man over an argument about a pawned gun... the killer was the one who didn't pay but wanted his gun back... so the killer was hung from the town hanging hill.... and my son lives very near that town. It was the last hanging in the area.
His family has lived very close for many generations.

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Thanks for the information on how you go about your search. I am patient with art and hunting for artifacts but doubt I have it in me to do what you do... though I admire the drive and ability very much. I would imagine, not only stories, history and such are uncovered in such a search but who knows when you might come upon a clue. This is sort of off the thread topic a bit I guess but did you watch the movie, "National Treasure"? I heard some people say they thought it was hokey but I loved it. I would love to be involved in such a hunt and that family continued it for years through several generations. (Don't worry, I realize it is fiction!! LOL :p ) It is just easy for me to get into a movie like that and put myself in their place in my head and go with it and really enjoy the thought processes that went into the writer coming up with the plot and details, so intricate.

Again this is sort of off the subject but my husband's dad's cousin (we always called him uncle so that was confusing for me but anyway... moving on) thought he and his mother had been abandoned all of his growing up years into late adulthood. He was a intense little man. Didn't seem to smile much and was not a trusting person too much. He trusted my husband's dad thoroughly though. He had been married for years and one day, received a call. It seems that a man had died in California and had given a death bed confession. A group of men had met in a cabin by a certain spring in the sand hills of an area not far from us. They were playing cards, gambling, etc. One of the men in the cabin was this cousin's father, intending to gamble then return home. He never returned. The man in California stated that they were drinking and he and the cousin got into a fight and the man in California shot him to death and buried him under the wooden floor of the cabin. He always felt bad about it and needed to confess what he had done. So this cousin of my husband's dad came to realize that his dad had not abandoned him at all but was murdered late at night and buried under the floors of the cabin. When my husband and I found out about it, we, of course, went searching. We found the natural spring with no problem and followed the description of where the cabin had stood. There was no cabin and not having enough details, was unable to pinpoint even where the foundation could have been. I always wanted to find "Uncle Ben's" dad. I thought it would help give Ben more closure to a long story that clouded his life through the years. Just like in the story I shared about the guy traveling the three rivers on the map I posted earlier, he found all the landmarks, well, most of them, to be the same as on the old map, the cane breaks, markers, etc. we even found a grouping of berry bushes that had been described in the story when the man in California was trying to clear his conscience.

When my ship comes in so to speak, and time allows, I will be getting a nice metal detector and check out even places around like that. Who knows, maybe we can still find the place the cabin once stood. If they were gambling and did it a lot, perhaps there are coins that might indicate activity of gambling in that area. :)

That kind of search would be very exciting!

I didn't get to see the movie. Perhaps another time?

Jrebel, Hope all is well. I was born in North East Oklahoma. A lot of buried gold in your area. I would get volume 8 of the atlasses:
treasure atlas, Maps, Atlases, Globes, Nonfiction Books items on eBay.com

Can you and oneguyfromohio provide County you want info, looked for river emptying into Erie, many, many stories in both of your areas.

Something you could do for fun? Is go to geocashing.com, register, then click "hide or seek treasure". Click "seek", enter your zip code, and it will list things hid in your area. You will be given GPS coordinates, and a clue that needs to be decyphered, Easy to decypher with the conversion also on page, kids can do it. You are suppose to look with your GPS. I have been a little lazy, and will copy and paste coordinates to Google Earth. In the US, the coordinates will be North lattitudes and West Longitudes, example, I live near N25.000.000, W 80.000.000. So After I copy and paste to Google earth, I delete the N and the W, and add a - to west longitudes. Example for me, it would be 25.000.000, -80.000.000, then go to that coordinate, and zoom in. Lazy way to look for the treasure with no GPS.
Will dig up more info. So many stories, so little time. Take Care

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jrebel, Hope all is well. I was born in North East Oklahoma. A lot of burried gold in your area. I would get volume 8 of the atlasses:
treasure atlas, Maps, Atlases, Globes, Nonfiction Books items on eBay.com

Can you and oneguyfromohio provide County you want info, looked for river emptying into Erie, many, many stories in both of your areas.

Something you could do for fun? is goto geocashing.com, register, then click "hide or seek treasure". click "seek", enter your zip code, and it will list things hid in your area. You will be given GPS coordinates, and a clue that needs to be decyphered, Easy to decypher with the conversion also on page, kids can do it. You are suppose to look with your GPS. I have been a little lazy, and will copy and paste coordinates to Google Earth. In the US, the coordinates will be North lattitudes and West Longitudes, example, I live near N25.000.000, W 80.000.000. So After I copy and paste to google earth, I delete the N and the W, and add a - to west longitudes. Example for me, it would be 25.000.000, -80.000.000, then goto that coordinate, and zoom in. Lazy way to look for the treasure with no GPS.
Will dig up more info. So many stories, so little time. Take Care

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I woke this morning thinking about this thread. I am a little intuitive. As always, I loved reading your post. Muskogee County would be my area. Thank you for letting me know which volume to purchase. It will take me a bit to digest the information you have provided here. When you mention the GPS, are you referring to just the GPS one might have in their car? I bet my son-in-law can help me understand your instructions... I am geared toward archeology and "finds" and such by my love of history and my pioneer spirit but scientific mind, I do not possess. :confused: LOL

I appreciate your info and shared interest. I understand "so little time" so appreciate even more you and all others taking the time to share on this thread. It is just exciting to me to have people to share with and read your (their) experiences in our individual quests. "HAPPY NEW YEAR" and may each of us find our treasures either of the heart, of gold, or special artifacts this new year but above all, peace in our spirit. Best to each of you who have posted or are viewing this thread. Hope to hear from many more.

Specific counties in Ohio that I am most interested in are Lake, Portage, Defiance, and Paulding

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Hi there, I went on eBay on the link that Strat provided and placed a bid on the volume he recommended for Oklahoma. I will know in a couple of hours if I got the book. Sure hope all this leads you and I to some exciting finds.

Jrebel,
Good luck, some are "Buy it Now" makes it yours, if price is right. You should also Search
On Ebay "Oklahoma" in books category, some interesting stuff. 1 Auction I am bidding on now. You never know what you run into on auction sites. Very nice, old, stuff. Books and maps are searches you should do under "Oklahoma" on Ebay once and a while.

Oneguyfromohio,
Lake: In 1862, 3 robbers made off with(at that time) $50,000 in gold, A fight over the division, left 2 dead, the survivorburried the ingots near the west bank of theGrand River, about 1 or 2 milesSouth of Lake erieAbout 3 foot deep, 20 or 30 paces NW of a large Oak tree, near the rivers West Bank.
Lake:Indian relics and artifacts can be found at Indian Point, East of Painesville, also used as a French Trading Post from 1750-1760
Portage: The Hopkins Mill, near Garrettsville, built 1804 popular for gamblers and picknickers said to have coins, relics, and artifacts.
Defiance: 1780's there was a trading post on the bend of the Maumee River, on highway 24, about 7 miles from Defiance State Park, on Girty's Island is said to have numerous treasures.
Paulding: Along the Maumee and Auglaize Rivers are indian artifacts.
Jrebel, I have more for you, Get Better.
Everyone have an Excellent New Year>

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In 1862, 3 robbers made off with(at that time) $50,000 in gold, A fight over the division, left 2 dead, the survivorburried the ingots near the west bank of theGrand River, about 1 or 2 milesSouth of Lake erieAbout 3 foot deep, 20 or 30 paces NW of a large Oak tree, near the rivers West Bank.
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This sounds very much like the old story that I was mentioning earlier. Next time I get a day off when it is warm, along that river, I want to take a little walk...

[QUOTE=oneguyinohio]

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In 1862, 3 robbers made off with(at that time) $50,000 in gold, A fight over the division, left 2 dead, the survivorburried the ingots near the west bank of theGrand River, about 1 or 2 milesSouth of Lake erieAbout 3 foot deep, 20 or 30 paces NW of a large Oak tree, near the rivers West Bank.
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This sounds very much like the old story that I was mentioning earlier. Next time I get a day off when it is warm, along that river, I want to take a little walk...

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Hey Oneguy... that walk might prove very profitable! LOL

Much luck on that venture.

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jrebel,
Good luck, some are "Buy it Now" makes it yours, if price is right. you should also Search
on Ebay "Oklahoma" in books category, some interesting stuff. 1 Auction I am bidding on now. You never know what you run into on auction sites. Very nice, old, stuff. Books and maps are searches you should do under "Oklahoma" on Ebay once and a while.

Oneguyfromohio,
Lake: In 1862, 3 robbers made off with(at that time) $50,000 in gold, A fight over the division, left 2 dead, the survivorburried the ingots near the west bank of theGrand River, about 1 or 2 milesSouth of Lake erieAbout 3 foot deep, 20 or 30 paces NW of a large Oak tree, near the rivers West Bank.
Lake:Indian relics and artifacts can be found at Indian Point, East of Painesville, also used as a French Trading Post from 1750-1760
Portage: The Hopkins Mill, near Garrettsville, built 1804 popular for gamblers and picknickers said to have coins, relics, and artifacts.
Defiance: 1780's ther was a trading post on the bend of the Maumee River, on highway 24, about 7 miles from Defiance State Park, on Girty's Island is said to have numerous treasures.
Paulding: Along the Maumee and Auglaize Rivers are indian artifacts.
Jrebel, I have more for you, Get Better.
Everyone have an Excellent New Year>

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Ok, I got the book!! Should be here in a few days. It will be interesting even if I don't find specifics for this area. I will be glad to get the book. Thanks for all the info. Looking forward to more posts from you when you have time. Other surrounding counties here are Haskell, Wagoner and Cherokee County. Maybe that book will have some information on these counties.

Jrebel, Sure glad you won that book, Saved me a whole lot of writing. Last several days, have been reading just Oklahoma Stories. Lots of Caves, Gold, You will love the History behind these stories as well. The Counties you mention are Loaded.
Perhaps you can send me a gold coin, should the weight of it all be too much for you.
Good Luck Friend. That is what I tell my friends when they play the Lottery, "Good Luck, FREIND"

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jrebel, Sure glad you won that book, Saved me a whole lot of writing. Last several days, have been reading just Oklahoma Stories. Lots of Caves, Gold, You will love the History behind these stories as well. The Counties you mention are Loaded.
Perhaps you can send me a gold coin, should the weight of it all be too much for you.
Good Luck FREIND. That is what I tell my friends when they play the Lottery, "Good Luck, FREIND"

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I appreciate you reading up on this area. WHEN I find the gold coins, I will be sure and send one to you because I am sure if I find them, there will be many. LOL Well, one never knows. Without our dreams, we fade away!

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I was born and raised in southeastern Arkansas and my dad had a farm in Winchester. He had what he called an Indian dump on his farm near the shop. The creek near the shop was swarming with thousands of arrowheads, but most of them had the tip snapped off or had a large crack or flaw in the stone. My dad believed that is where the natives replaced and/or repaired their arrows after a hunt or fight.

He was a rice farmer that had to routinely roust out beavers. He would find the greatest things inside the beaver dam like stones used for grinding meal or grain and pieces of pottery. Beavers also apparently have an affinity for the glass thingies that used to sit on top of telephone poles. He found dozens of those.

I have really enjoyed this thread.

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Hi there, haven't heard from you for a bit. Was hoping to see more from you, photos, stories, etc. HAPPY NEW YEAR!

Well, there is a big snow storm hitting up this way today, so I googled a satellite image of the area along that river. Most of it is highly developed with a marina, a stone loading dock for large ships that haul on the lakes, and even a rail road that goes right next to the west bank of the river. Right at about the two mile mark on the river, there is a small island that is quite interesting. It would have surely been an eye catching landmark if ever there was one back in the days of the supposed events. It is part of a Marina now. I'm still going to check it out later this year, but digging 3 foot holes might be unlikely!

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In 1862, 3 robbers made off with(at that time) $50,000 in gold, A fight over the division, left 2 dead, the survivorburried the ingots near the west bank of theGrand River, about 1 or 2 milesSouth of Lake erieAbout 3 foot deep, 20 or 30 paces NW of a large Oak tree, near the rivers West Bank.
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This sounds very much like the old story that I was mentioning earlier. Next time I get a day off when it is warm, along that river, I want to take a little walk...

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Hello,

I stumbled on this sight doing more research on Girty's Island. I have been on the Island several times, but not yet have found that piece from the past I am desperately searching for. I know Simon Girty hid there, George Girty had a trading post. But there were other structures on the island. So far, my research has told me that there was also a victoria amusement park that people were ferried to the island by a sternwheel steam boat named the Pastime in the early 1900's. I also have heard there was an early dance hall there. Does anyone have any additional information on the Island? I have found the location of an old foundation and I am trying to find which structure it belongs to.

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Hello,

I stumbled on this sight doing more research on Girty's Island. I have been on the Island several times, but not yet have found that piece from the past I am desperately searching for. I know Simon Girty hid there, George Girty had a trading post. but there were other structures on the island. So far, my research has told me that there was also a victoria amusement park that people were ferried to the island by a sternwheel steam boat named the Pastime in the early 1900's. I also have heard there was an early dance hall there. Does anyone have any additional information on the Island? I have found the location of an old foundation and I am trying to find which structure it belongs to.

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Have you been to the historical society or library to see if they have any information. I have not done any research on structures there, but I do have a couple of acquaintances who are in their 90's from the Painesville area. I can try to contact them this week.

I'd also like to hear more about your search, and anything you might share. Is the area open for visitors, along both sides of the river? Hope to hear from you soon.

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Hello,

I stumbled on this sight doing more research on Girty's Island. I have been on the Island several times, but not yet have found that piece from the past I am desperately searching for. I know Simon Girty hid there, George Girty had a trading post. but there were other structures on the island. So far, my research has told me that there was also a victoria amusement park that people were ferried to the island by a sternwheel steam boat named the Pastime in the early 1900's. I also have heard there was an early dance hall there. Does anyone have any additional information on the Island? I have found the location of an old foundation and I am trying to find which structure it belongs to.

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Hi there,
Glad you stumbled across the site and this thread! It has been interesting for all of us. Welcome aboard! :p

Oops, I got my islands mixed up. I was thinking of a Ram's Island near Painesville, but for Girty's Island, my grandmother was actually from the Florida Ohio area.

I wonder if you've had an opportunity to meet with
The City of Defiance, City Historian Randy Buchman?

I know he is EXTREMELY knowledgeable about the area and would highly suggest contacting him.

In the 1780's Simon Girty and his brother had a Trading Post in the bend of the Maumee
River on Highway 24, about 7 miles from Defiance State Park, on Girty's Island.
Outlaw Simon Girty had a cabin near Fort Miami and robbed pioneers and helped the Indians(not the ones at your local MiniMart) fight colonist During the Indian War of 1790-
1796, using Fort Miami for protection. He ammassed a large store of coins and other valuables which he buried in various caches around the fort. Girty went to Canada in 1800 and was never allowed to reenter the U.S. and his plundered treasure was never recovered.
Fort Miami, AKA Fort Campbell, founded by the French in 1748 on the site of a Fur Trading post and stockade. The Fort was taken over by the British from 1763-1812.

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jrebel, Hope all is well. I was born in North East Oklahoma. A lot of burried gold in your area. I would get volume 8 of the atlasses:
treasure atlas, Maps, Atlases, Globes, Nonfiction Books items on eBay.com

Can you and oneguyfromohio provide County you want info, looked for river emptying into Erie, many, many stories in both of your areas.

Something you could do for fun? is goto geocashing.com, register, then click "hide or seek treasure". click "seek", enter your zip code, and it will list things hid in your area. You will be given GPS coordinates, and a clue that needs to be decyphered, Easy to decypher with the conversion also on page, kids can do it. You are suppose to look with your GPS. I have been a little lazy, and will copy and paste coordinates to Google Earth. In the US, the coordinates will be North lattitudes and West Longitudes, example, I live near N25.000.000, W 80.000.000. So After I copy and paste to google earth, I delete the N and the W, and add a - to west longitudes. Example for me, it would be 25.000.000, -80.000.000, then goto that coordinate, and zoom in. Lazy way to look for the treasure with no GPS.
Will dig up more info. So many stories, so little time. Take Care

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Ok, I know what my longitude and latitude is of my home. I don't quite understand about deleting the N. and W. and add a - to west longitude. When you have time, sure would appreciate just a bit more instruction. Thanks much. Also I went to Google Earth and saw there was a free one and two paid ones. I was a bit confused where to go on that site. As I said, I get a little lost sometimes with directions. :confused:

Go to Google Earth,

Google Earth
Top right corner, click "Free Download", They don't care if you buy or not.
This is a must have for anyone, No Spam, JunkMail, Spyware, very safe. Excellent.
After you have downloaded it, copy and paste this coordinate to the search box, then click fly to.
N 35° 47.618 W 095° 14.843 This should be near you.
Went to Google a minute ago, and you can leave the N and the W, and not add the minus, that is another program.(Ignore earlier mention of deleting N+W, and adding -)Either will work.
Once you are there, you can click and drag the earths surface to area you want to zoom in on, You can rotate the earth, and tilt your view. In tools there is a ruler. You can measure between 2 points. Once you find your house. You can click on the "Push Pin", mark your location an call it "Home" if you want. Any other areas of interest, you can mark with a pin. When you have several locations, you can do like a tour, will go from place to place locations on your list.
You may want to uncheck some or all of the layers to get an idea of what's helpful. Roads, Boundries, schools, etc. Some can block a clear view.
Also this may help get GPS cordinates to an address: TerraServer-USA . Have fun, Good Luck

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Go to Google Earth,

Google Earth
Top right corner, click "Free Download", They don't care if you buy or not.
This is a must have for anyone, No Spam, JunkMail, Spyware, very safe. Excellent.
After you have downloaded it, copy and paste this coordinate to the search box, then click fly to.
N 35° 47.618 W 095° 14.843 This should be near you.
Went to google a minute ago, and you can leave the N and the W, and not add the minus, that is another program.(Ignore earlier mention of deleting N+W, and adding -)Either will work.
Once you are there, you can click and drag the earths surface to area you want to zoom in on, You can rotate the earth, and tilt your view. In tools there is a ruler. you can measure between 2 points. Once you find your house. You can click on the "Push Pin", mark your location an call it "Home" if you want. any other areas of interest, you can mark with a pin. When you have several locations, you can do like a tour, will go from place to place locations on your list.
You may want to uncheck some or all of the layers to get an idea of whats helpful. Roads, Boundries, schools, etc. Some can block a clear view.
Also this may help get GPS cordinates to an address: TerraServer-USA . Have fun, Good Luck

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Thank you for the instructions. Much appreciated. Don't know how long it will be before I get my book I ordered but anxious to see what stories are in there about this area. Thanks again.

Let us know if Goole Earth works for you, after messing with for a while.
What is your county? I will give you a couple of stories to hold you over, until you get your book.
Google Earth is handy when a story tells of robbers crossing a river from a known point,
Up to where the valley splits like a "Y", and take that left fork to a box canyon for 2 miles, and looking to the north you can see Mount something? Once you get the book, search a couple like that, Very Interesting. Also great for finding Trails, Ponds,.

You just read my mind Strat!! You have been so good shaing information, I didn't want to impose and ask but am dying to know a little bit regarding stories in my area.

Muskogee County
Haskell County

One connects to the other but Muskogee County is the county in which I live.

Muskogee:
A wealthy Cherokee Indian Settled in Webber falls after the "Trail of Tears" in 1838 and built a Mansion on the banks of the Arkansas River. When the Civil War erupted, he buried his accumuliated gold on his property, when he refused to tell of the location The Yankees burned his Mansion to the ground.
Also, in 1838, a Cherokee Indian Named Big Head settled at Younger's Bend, on the banks of the Canadian River near Briartown,18 Miles due east of Eufaula, he reportedly buried $10,000 in gold coins before his death, then around 1880, tHE outlaw queen Belle Starr Purchased the Old Hannel Farm and moved into the Big Head Cabin, and searched for 10 years before her death. She is said to hide some of her own loot, as well as other bandits that used her place a refuge.
In Haskill, There was a Trading Post called "Canadian Shoals" on the bank of the Arkansas River, near the Junction with the Canadian River. When Civil war broke out, the Doctor that ran the place Buried $15-20,000 near his home and fled, Indians knowing of the gold followed him, and left, planning to come back, he died before that happened.
Take Care

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Muskogee:
A wealthy Cherokee Indian Settled in Webber falls after the "Trail of Tears" in 1838 and built a Mansion on the banks of the Arkansas River. When the Civil War erupted, he burried his accumuliated gold on his property, when he refused to tell of the location The Yankees burned his Mansion to the ground.
Also, in 1838, a Cherokee Indian Named Big Head settled at Younger's Bend, on the banks of the Canadian River near Briartown,18 Miles due east of Eufaula, he reportedly burried $10,000 in gold coins before his death, then around 1880, tHE outlaw queen Belle Starr Purchased the Old Hannel Farm and moved into the Big Head Cabin, and searched for 10 years before her death. She is said to hide some of her own loot, as well as other bandits that used her place a refuge.
In Haskill, There was a Trading Post called "Canadian Shoals" on the bank of the Arkansas River, near the Junction with the Canadian River. When Civil war broke out, the Doctor that ran the place Burried $15-20,000 near his home and fled, Indians knowing of the gold followed him, and left, planning to come back, he died before that happened.
Take Care

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Thank you much as onward we go!! :p

Just wanted to post an excited little update to the family genealogy stuff I've been doing...

I found out that one of the ancestors I've been doing research on, was born in the same place (castle) as William the Conqueror... he was evidently a nephew... also another Lady Jane Sefton in the same family was also descended from William the Conqueror... There are castles out there that still exist where my ancestors were born almost a thousand years ago!! AMAZING STUFF

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Originally Posted by oneguyinohio

Just wanted to post an excited little update to the family geneology stuff I've been doing...

I found out that one of the ancestors I've been doing research on, was born in the same place (castle) as William the Conqueror... he was evidently a nephew... also another Lady Jane Sefton in the same family was also descended from William the Conqueror... There are castles out there that still exist where my ancestors were born almost a thousand years ago!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AMAZING STUFF

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How exciting!! Just my luck I will be related to Attila the Hun. LOL How did you come across this information, books, computer, ancestry studies on line? Honestly, that is exciting and fun that you shared with us. I love it.

My book I ordered about this area is in the mail. Not sure what day I will receive it but if it has some dynamite info on my area, I will be sure and share it. :)

I found one reference to where my ancestor was born, and that he came to England with William the Conqueror. My ancestor was referred to as William de Fallaise. So I got on line trying to figure out where Fallaise was... found out that it was Normandy France. I also looked up William the Conqueror and found that he was from the same place.

At first I thought it might be the same person since they were both Williams, and that the part of the name "the Conqueror" was changed after the fact, but with a little digging I found reference that William the Conqueror had a brother Walter, who had two boys (William the Conqueror's nephews) who went to England to get lands... Further reading showed that William the Conqueror did take away from the English nobility and awarded lands to his people as a way to ensure support... if they didn't support him, then they risked losing their holdings... so it all fits together.

I just received the book I ordered today! It has taken me a little while to figure out how to navigate through it to find certain items of interest. Has a lot of information. Muskogee has a lot of references in the book. The other counties close around are full of information and so many of them are located on the river banks. My dad use to tell me about "noodling" fish. He never quite got into it but his friends did. What a find, to reach back, thinking you were getting a huge catfish and pull out gold. Well, I am not brave enough to "noodle" for turtles, fish or any such thing. I do enjoy fishing but after getting bitten by a water moccasin a few years ago in the late winter, early spring, I am a bit more skittish about where I walk! :(