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tomder55
Jul 15, 2024, 03:13 AM
One of the many issues surrounding the assassination attempt Saturday was the performance of the Secret Service detail tasked to protect Trump. On the other posting I speculated how DEI played a part in it. But there is more to consider .
It was a year ago . We take one of our dogs for grooming to Pickens South Carolina . Typically we drop off our dog ;take a hike ,and then go to a local watering hole for lunch . It is usually a quite spot on a weekday with only a few locals seated . But that day there was an extended table full of men and local law enforcement officers . The men were the advanced team of Secret Service officers who were there to plan Trump's scheduled rally .
Pickens is like many small towns in America . It has a main street lined with 1 and 2 story retail shops . Trump's rally was to take place there . It also has a water tower looming over it . Plenty of places for Secret Service to be concerned about .
They left the pub before I finished .I got to see them starting to stake out the town and map out their strategy . More than 50 thousand people crammed the street to listen to Trump . It went off without a hitch even though it was a very hot day.
I mention this because I am shocked to see the difference in their performance. You would think an open venue would be easier to secure than a street with many more places for an assassin to perch.
I don't know if this is true . Secret Service is denying this rumor. The rumor is that Trump's A team detail was swapped out to protect Jill Biden. I read this in Susan Crabtree's report at 'Real Clear Politics'.
GOP Was Investigating Secret Service Before Assassination Attempt | RealClearPolitics (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2024/07/14/gop_was_investigating_secret_service_before_assass ination_attempt__151261.html)
Along with this she reports that some Secret Service agents may not be committed to protecting Trump. The agent posted that she would not take a bullet for Trump. She was fired or retired with full benefits.
Secret Service has had other incidents like fence jumpers at the White House ;uninvited guests at White House events ; cocaine in the White House ; and a continuous issue involving agents involved with prostitutes and alcohol abuse ;mental breakdown of an agent assigned to Kam the Sham
Secret Service: White House jumper was captured after over 15 minutes | CNN Politics (https://www.cnn.com/2017/03/17/politics/white-house-fence-jumper/index.html)
Borat's Daughter Sneaks Into Trump Conference, Meets Donald Trump Jr (variety.com) (https://variety.com/2020/film/news/borat-sequel-trump-conference-1234814259/)
Secret Service closes White House cocaine investigation citing lack of evidence | PBS News (https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/secret-service-closes-white-house-cocaine-investigation-citing-lack-of-evidence)
The Secret Service’s history of sex and alcohol scandals | CNN Politics (https://www.cnn.com/2017/04/06/politics/timeline-secret-service-misconduct/index.html)
Secret Service officer who fought colleagues while assigned to Kamala Harris once sued Dallas for $1M claiming gender bias (nypost.com) (https://nypost.com/2024/04/25/us-news/kamala-harris-secret-service-officer-who-brawled-her-colleagues-previously-filed-1m-law-suit-citing-gender-discrimination/)
Following the incident, Secret Service agents and officers are privately questioning the hiring process and whether the agency had adequately screened Herczeg’s background. Some also wonder whether her hire was part of a diversity, equity, and inclusion push in response to years of staff shortages that may have required the agency to lower its once-strict employment standards and physical performance to reach quotas for female agents and officers.
Secret Service Scuffle Prompts DEI, Vetting Scrutiny | RealClearPolitics (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2024/04/25/secret_service_scuffle_prompts_dei_vetting_scrutin y__150846.html)
There are many Federal Agencies we can do without . Secret Service is not one of them . They must be staffed by the best agents for the job and highly trained to protect those they are assigned to protect. Yes they must be willing to take a bullet . No they should not be selected for any other reason than being the best person to do the job.
tomder55
Jul 15, 2024, 04:55 AM
Here is an interview with Secret Service boss Kimberly Cheatle last year
In an effort to diversify the agency, Cheatle aims to have 30% female recruits by 2030. Part of that effort has included allowing YouTube influencer Michelle Khare to train with agents.
"I'm very conscious as I sit in this chair now, of making sure that we need to attract diverse candidates and ensure that we are developing and giving opportunities to everybody in our workforce, and particularly women," Cheatle said.
Secret Service director Kimberly Cheatle addresses controversies, challenges facing the agency - CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/secret-service-director-kimberly-cheatle-controversies-challenges/)
Matt Batzel on X: "CBS News Report reveals what Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle has been focused on: diversity hires https://t.co/IoKnY4uj6M" / X (https://x.com/MattBatzel/status/1812315650955542940?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1812315650955542940%7Ctwgr% 5E2cddb45c126dd7ee5b67afeb680ce3b8844c4ca1%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fnypost.com%2F2024%2F07%2F14% 2Fus-news%2Fsecret-service-under-pressure-in-wake-of-assassination-attempt-on-trump%2F)
tomder55
Jul 18, 2024, 02:55 AM
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tomder55
Jul 18, 2024, 04:27 AM
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jlisenbe
Jul 18, 2024, 10:17 AM
Tom, those pics are hilarious.
I understand the director of the Secret Service had agreed to testify before Congress. That will be interesting.
And that was my fifth attempt at this post. This website needs work.
tomder55
Jul 18, 2024, 01:24 PM
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tomder55
Jul 21, 2024, 01:39 PM
So after days of denying the claim ; we now know that indeed Trump was denied a request to have additional Secret Service protection before the assassination attempt.
The Secret Service, after initially denying turning down requests for additional security, is now acknowledging some may have been rejected
Secret Service said to have denied Trump requests for more event security - The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2024/07/20/trump-secret-service-security-attempted-assassination/)
Also a blatant lie was their deflection and blaming local police for the perimeter penetration. Butler police smacked that line down .
The officers were assigned to manage traffic Saturday afternoon outside the Trump rally at the Butler Farm Show, an outdoor venue. But they leapt into action when they heard a radio call about a suspicious person on the roof of a nearby building, Knights said. The officers converged on the building, owned by a glass research company, but couldn’t see anybody above, because they were too close.
“So two of the officers went to what appeared to be the lowest point from ground to roof,” Knights said. “One of the officers actually boosted the second officer up high enough for him to grab hold of the roof.”
“When he was able to pull his head up over the roof, he did in fact see an individual on the roof with a weapon,” Knights said.
The gunman pointed his rifle at the officer, who was hanging on the edge of the roof. The officer ducked his head, lost his grip and fell about 8 feet to the ground, Knights said.
The two officers — the one who fell and the one who boosted him up — both got on their radios to report that there was a person on the roof with a weapon.
Gunman pointed rifle at Butler police officer before firing on Trump, local official says (nbcnews.com) (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-shooting-butler-building-security-secret-service-rcna161921)
tomder55
Jul 22, 2024, 12:00 PM
As they say a stalled clock is right twice a day . All Out Crazy asked a great question to SS diversity hired Director Cheatle ...
“The individual used an AR-15 in order to act out his assassination attempt. An AR-15 has a range of about 400 to 600 yards. My question is, why is the Secret Service protective perimeter shorter than one of the most popular semi-automatic weapons in the United States?”“And so, what I'm hearing is that a perimeter was not established outdoors in an outdoor venue that would prevent an AR-15, which is one of the most common weapons used in mass shootings, from being able to be within the range of Secret Service protection.”
The Vigilant Fox 🦊 on X: "AOC Unexpectedly Asks Secret Service Director a GOOD Question This is a Matrix-like moment. “The individual used an AR-15 in order to act out his assassination attempt. An AR-15 has a range of about 400 to 600 yards. My question is, why is the Secret Service protective https://t.co/oDvzA7yNdh" / X (https://x.com/VigilantFox/status/1815426072692883660)
tomder55
Jul 27, 2024, 01:14 AM
Secret Service has a recommendation to address their inability to protect Trump. He should stop doing outdoor rallies .
Trump campaign encouraged to halt some outdoor rallies (axios.com) (https://www.axios.com/2024/07/24/trump-rallies-secret-service-shift)
Seriously ;that is their solution to their incompetence.
Trump has held hundreds of outdoor events . There is a festival atmosphere with tailgate parties and vendors hawking Trump paraphernalia.
Yeah they are logistical nightmares but hardly more complicated than it was to protect the emperor
Obama Draws Huge Crowd in Oregon as Clinton Courts Kentucky - The New York Times (nytimes.com) (https://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/19/us/politics/19campaign.html)
St. Louis rally largest Obama crowd in U.S. | MPR News (https://www.mprnews.org/story/2008/10/18/st-louis-rally-largest-obama-crowd-in-us)
President Obama holds rally in Charlottesville (wjla.com) (https://wjla.com/news/local/president-obama-holds-rally-in-charlottesville-79329)
Seems the problem is more a matter of will than ability .
For his part Trump is going to mostly comply. It will mean smaller crowds and will cost the campaign much more money to book arenas .
He does plan to go back to Butler PA to hold a rally and to honor Corey Comperatore who was killed during the assassination attempt. Guess the Secret Service will have to figure out how to secure slightly sloping rooftops 130 yards away from the stage.
jlisenbe
Jul 27, 2024, 05:06 AM
Seems the problem is more a matter of will than ability .Maybe. With the incredibly inept director who just stepped down, I have to wonder if that lack of skill and training goes down the ladder farther than we might have thought it would. It might be a lack of both will and skill. If that's the case, then it's yet another reason to elect Trump.
tomder55
Jul 27, 2024, 05:51 AM
Whistleblower is saying that the locals offered a drone to the Feds and were turned down.
Secret Service refused police offer of drone before assassination attempt: Whistleblower | | coloradopolitics.com (https://www.coloradopolitics.com/secret-service-refused-police-offer-of-drone-before-assassination-attempt-whistleblower/article_f058f590-c918-5ea9-82dd-876cedb629a8.html)
tomder55
Aug 2, 2024, 05:54 AM
A whistleblower alleged that Secret Service acting Director Ronald Rowe personally cut security resources and “retaliated” against agents with security concerns leading up to former President Donald Trump’s rally on July 13, according to a letter released Thursday.
The whistleblower alleged that Rowe personally implemented “significant cuts” to the Counter Surveillance Division (CSD), which does advanced threat assessments for venues, and alleged that agents who expressed security concerns were “retaliated against,” according (https://x.com/HawleyMO/status/1819094175096176770) to Missouri Republican Sen. Josh Hawley’s letter to Rowe. As a result, the CSD failed to perform its “typical evaluation” of the rally venue in Butler County, Pennsylvania, and “was not present on the day” of the attempted assassination.
“The whistleblower claims that if personnel from CSD had been present at the rally, the gunman would have been handcuffed in the parking lot after being spotted with a rangefinder,” the letter states.
Acting Secret Service Chief ‘Retaliated Against’ Agents Who Had Security Concerns At Trump Event, Whistleblower Claims (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/acting-secret-service-chief-retaliated-against-agents-who-had-security-concerns-at-trump-event-whistleblower-claims/ar-BB1r5rB8?ocid=msedgntp&pc=HCTS&cvid=0f2b873fb9fe44fca4925a822f3b8776&ei=14)
tomder55
Aug 17, 2024, 03:34 AM
I waited a day to confirm this story But now it is all over and confirmed by Newsweek and Susan Crabtree of 'Real Clear Politics ' who has 3 collaborating witnesses.
A Secret Service agent temporarily abandoned her post during Trump's Ashville NC rally to breast feed her baby.
Secret Service Investigating Report Agent Left Trump Event to Breastfeed - Newsweek (https://www.newsweek.com/secret-service-investigating-report-agent-left-trump-event-breastfeed-1939973?fbclid=IwY2xjawEtWuFleHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHaYZG sCOYjL7s53bN-Em4Z0sd5OsaquEnZjrQkuOjUgrTUHMltM6cBJCdg_aem_3YtM0 gfzswbvfGaD2EzpGw#:~:text=The%20Secret%20Service%2 0is%20investigating%20a%20new%20report,Secret%20Se rvice%20are%20held%20to%20the%20highest%20standard s)
jlisenbe
Aug 17, 2024, 04:55 AM
And on and on it goes. Unreal!
tomder55
Sep 4, 2024, 03:00 AM
The question was 'Would Secret Service take a bullet for Trump?'
That we may never know. That is because according to Senator Josh Hawley ; whistleblowers testified that Secret Service was not there . We know that a lot of the protection of Trump was outsourced to the local police depts. What we did not know was that the rest of Trump's protection was given to Homeland Security . (I missed this when it was first reported .)
In addition, whistleblower allegations suggest the majority of DHS officials were not in fact USSS agents but instead drawn from the department’s Homeland Security Investigations (HSI). This is especially concerning given that HSI agents were unfamiliar with standard protocols typically used at these types of events, according to the allegations.
Hawley-Letter-to-Mayorkas-on-whistleblowers-re-assassination-attempt-on-Trump.pdf (senate.gov) (https://www.hawley.senate.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/Hawley-Letter-to-Mayorkas-on-whistleblowers-re-assassination-attempt-on-Trump.pdf)
Here is the update .
Hawley yesterday claimed that they were given inadequate training . How bad was it ? They were given an online webinar to watch that had audio failure.
Sen. Hawley: Most Of The Agents On The Trump Detail At Butler Rally Were Homeland Security, Trained By A Webinar | Video | RealClearPolitics (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2024/09/03/sen_hawley_most_of_the_agents_on_the_trump_detail_ at_butler_rally_were_homeland_security_trained_by_ a_webinar.html)
Meanwhile the UK Daily Mail reports that it wasn't his protective detail that took out the assassin. A local sniper took the key shot that disabled Crooks . It was then that the kill shot was made by the Feds.
Bombshell congressional report on Trump assassination attempt reveals 'who REALLY took the first shot at Thomas Crooks' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13810697/Thomas-Crooks-Trump-shot-Butler-Higgins.html)
The evidence of this was conveniently lost when Crooks was swiftly cremated .
Secret Service has been taking credit. In fact their role was a complete failure.
tomder55
Sep 4, 2024, 04:23 AM
The other thing I don't quite understand is the timeline .
Asif Raza Merchant ;a Pakistani hired by Iran to arrange the assassination of Trump entered the US mid-April . He was tracked by the FBI ;tried to hire an assassin who turned into a confidential source (CS)
Merchant traveled from Texas to New York to meet with the CS and then eventually returned to Texas. In June 2024, Merchant flew from Texas to LaGuardia Airport in New York to meet with the CS again. During this meeting, the complaint alleges that Merchant told the CS he needed the CS to arrange a meeting for Merchant to meet hitmen in New York. According to the complaint, on June 10, 2024, Merchant and the CS met with two undercover law enforcement officers posing as hitmen. After the meetings, Merchant traveled to Boston, Massachusetts, and then “[o]n or about June 21, 2024, Merchant traveled from Boston to New York to make the advance payment to the hitmen for the assassination plot.”
2024-08-14-PSI-and-HSGAC-to-DHS-and-FBI.pdf (senate.gov) (https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024-08-14-PSI-and-HSGAC-to-DHS-and-FBI.pdf)
Merchant then began arranging means to obtain $5,000 in cash to pay the UCs as an advance payment for the assassination, which he eventually received with assistance from an individual overseas. On June 21, Merchant met with the UCs in New York and paid them the $5,000 advance. After Merchant paid the $5,000 to the UCs, one of the UCs stated, “now we’re bonded,” to which Merchant responded “yes.” The UC then stated “Now we know we’re going forward. We’re doing this,” to which Merchant responded “Yes, absolutely.”
Merchant subsequently made flight arrangements and planned to leave the United States on Friday, July 12, 2024. On July 12th, law enforcement agents placed Merchant under arrest before he could leave the country. Merchant has stated that he has a wife and children in Iran and a wife and children in Pakistan.
2024-08-14-PSI-and-HSGAC-to-DHS-and-FBI.pdf (senate.gov) (https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024-08-14-PSI-and-HSGAC-to-DHS-and-FBI.pdf)
So the FBI knew he was plotting to assassinate Trump . They tracked him since at least the time he entered the country and probably before. They knew of his recruitment attempts .
Then they arrest him on JULY 12 ;the day before the assassination attempt on Trump occurs.
Maybe it is just a coincidence. But I am less inclined to believe in coincidences these days .
tomder55
Sep 16, 2024, 02:22 AM
Again Trump was targeted by an assassin.
The assassin is Dems supporter who travelled from Hawaii to Florida to take his shot.He was also pro-Ukraine who has fought in Ukraine as a mercenary . Somehow he happened to infiltrate a golf course where Trump was playing .Somehow he was there even though Trump had no schedule indicating he would be there at that time.
jlisenbe
Sep 16, 2024, 05:03 AM
How did he come up with the weapon? Did he buy it locally after arriving?
tomder55
Sep 16, 2024, 05:21 AM
I'm sure the facts will dribble out over time courtesy of whistle blowers . Besides the rifle with a scope he had ceramic tiles that he hung on a fence and a video camera as he was planning to film his attempt.
I'm sure the Dems will restrain from their violent rhetoric against Trump for a day or two. Guessing Clueless Joe won't suggest he take Trump behind the gym to beat the cr@p out of him.
tomder55
Sep 17, 2024, 01:21 AM
Let me stipulate that blaming words for actions is a convenient excuse ;that leads to far worse things like regulating speech . But Dems saying Trump is Hitler . Dems saying democracy is on the ballot .Then Trump is called on to tone down his rhetoric after an attempt on his life ;while the left ;particularly in the US claims to have clean hands. That needs to be called out .
Here are some comments by Evita to Katie Couric .
“I do worry about political violence. I worry about threats. I worry about what’s being said online,”
“If he were really a leader, he should be doing what he can to calm the waters, not try to just continue to throw red meat out there to get people riled up.”
This she said in comments about his ad below where he calls out Dems calls to violence .
She voiced her solution to Rachel Madcow
I think it's important to indict the Russians, just as Mueller indicted a lot of Russians who were engaged in direct election interference and boosting Trump back in 2016. But I also think there are Americans who are engaged in this kind of propaganda. And whether they should be civilly or even in some cases criminally charged is something that would be a better deterrence, because the Russians are unlikely, except in a very few cases, to ever stand trial in the United States
The Party of Violence (youtube.com) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-S7fktM8ygc)
Meanwhile Kam survived an interview
This could be outlawed in the future.
Kamala Safe And In Stable Condition After Attempted Interview | Babylon Bee (https://babylonbee.com/news/kamala-safe-and-in-stable-condition-after-attempted-interview)
tomder55
Sep 17, 2024, 04:12 AM
House Majority Leader Hakeem Jefferies reaction, posted well after the news of the assassination attempt.
"Extreme MAGA Republicans are the party of a national abortion ban and Trump’s Project 2025,""We must stop them."Hakeem Jeffries they must be stopped - Search / X (https://x.com/1bigJawBone/status/1835433192683143375/photo/1)
jlisenbe
Sep 17, 2024, 05:14 AM
Amazing how his over-the-top language is predicated on two blatant lies.
tomder55
Sep 17, 2024, 05:59 AM
USA Today published this editorial
There is no place in politics for violence. That said, the former president, Donald Trump, brings a lot of this stuff on himself.
Trump's second assassination attempt was brought on by his own lies (cincinnati.com) (https://www.cincinnati.com/story/opinion/letters/2024/09/16/trump-shots-fired-attempted-assassination-lies-rhetoric/75246483007/)
JD Vance's post on X hits both of my topics today . The left's double standard on political violence and rhetoric ;and censorship .
Yesterday, Donald J. Trump nearly lost his life. An armed gunman waited for him in the bushes. He brought a go-pro camera to record it. A secret service agent spotted the barrel of a gun through a fence and shot at the gunman. The gunman fled. He was caught. And now we slowly learn about him and his motive.President Trump is my running mate, and my friend, but he is more importantly a father and grandfather to people who love him very much. I want him to have many more years with his family. (And selfishly, I'd like many more with my own.)I admire the president for calling for peace and calm. The rhetoric is out of control. It nearly got Steve Scalise and many others killed a few years ago. It nearly got Donald Trump killed twice. But I want to say something about yesterday's news, and how it illuminates the difference between vigorous debate and violent rhetoric.Here is what we know so far: Kamala Harris has said that "Democracy is on the line" in her race against President Trump. The gunman agreed, and used the exact same phrase. He had a Kamala Harris bumper sticker on his truck. He was obsessed with Ukraine's "fight for Democracy" and absorbed many unhinged views about the Russia-Ukraine war. HIs name is Ryan Routh, and he donated 19 times to Democrat causes and zero to Republican ones.How do you think the Democrats and their media allies would respond if a 19-time Republican donor tried to kill a Democratic official? It's a question that answers itself. For years, Kamala Harris's campaign surrogates have said things like "Trump has to be eliminated." And how have their media allies responded to the second assassination attempt on Donald Trump in as many months?NBC News called the attempted assassination a "golf club incident." The LA Times told us "Trump Targeted at Golf Club." The USA Today's top of the fold headline is "Hope in America," and they published a preposterous letter to the editor arguing that Trump "brings these assassination attempts on himself." CNN's Dana Bash--who just yesterday bizarrely accused me of inciting a bomb threat--said today that Harris campaign rhetoric didn't motivate Routh even though he echoed their rhetoric explicitly.PBS's weekend show perfectly illustrates the double standard of Kamala Harris's media friends. After spending 30 seconds on the second assassination attempt on President Trump, they then focused on the real danger: me and President Trump, who are, according to them, personally responsible for bomb threats against Springfield. Of course, I repeatedly condemend those threats. And reports today suggest they came from a foreign country, not--as the media suggested--a deranged Trump fan.The double standard is breathtaking. Donald Trump and I are, by their account, directly responsible for bomb threats from foreign countries. Why? Because we had the audacity to repeat what residents told us about the problems in their town. Meanwhile, Harris allies call for Trump to be eliminated as the media publishes arguments that he deserved to be shot.This seems like a double standard. But at a deep level, it is entirely consistent.Consider Springfield. Citizens are telling us that there are problems. These include the undeniable truths of higher car accidents, unaffordable housing, evictions of residents, overcrowded hospitals, overstressed schools, and rising rates of disease. They also include the infamous pet stories--which, again, multiple people have spoken about (either on video or to me or my staff).Kamala Harris's first strategy was to ignore these people and their concerns. Yes, she had prevented the deportation of millions of illegal aliens, and some of them made their way to Springfield. But it was a small town with no voice. Some of the local leadership even loved the cheap labor. So the suffering of thousands of American citizens went ignored.Their next move with these stories is censorship. In Springfield, a psychopath (or a foreign government) calls in a bomb threat, so they blame that on President Trump (and me). The threat of violence is disgraceful of course, yet the media seems to relish it. They cover a bomb threat, but not the rise in murders. They cover the threat, but not the HIV uptick. They cover the threat, not the schools overwhelmed with new kids who don't speak English. They cover the threat, not rising insurance rates or the car accidents that caused them. They cover the threat, not the failures of Kamala Harris's leadership.The purpose is not to turn down the rhetoric. If anything, covering the bomb threats gives whoever makes them exactly what he wants: attention. The purpose is distraction and shame. How dare you talk about the problems of Haitian migration in Springfield? You're endangering people, simply by discussing the problems of Kamala Harris's policies. It's a form of moral blackmail, designed not to make anyone safe but to shut everyone up.Springfield is the most recent, but hardly the most egregious example. There was the Hunter Biden laptop story, censored by BigTech. And who can forget that anyone who didn't support Kamala Harris's Ukraine policy was drenched in the blood of Ukrainian children. That last one appears to have had some effect on Routh--the most recent would-be assassin. The message is always the same: don't you dare express an opinion on the public affairs of your nation. The message is: shut up.This is the difference between debate--even aggressive debate--and censorship. It is one thing to attack Kamala Harris for "destroying the country" and quite another to say that President Trump should be "eliminated." It is one thing to criticize overheated rhetoric, and another to say that a former president has invited an assassination on himself. It is one thing to say that Donald J. Trump's arguments about the election of 2020 are wrong; it is another thing to attempt to remove him from the ballot over it.It is one thing to say that pets are not, in fact being eaten, and another thing to say that anyone who disagrees is trying to murder people. Dissent, even vigorous dissent, is a great tradition of the United States. Censorship is not.For the next 7 weeks of this campaign, I will vigorously defend your right to speak your mind. I believe you have every right to criticize me and Donald J. Trump, even if you say terrible or untrue things about us. But when I ask you to "tone down the rhetoric" it's not about being nice--our citizens have every right to be mean, even if I don't like it--or empty platitudes.Instead, I'm asking all of us to reject censorship. Reject the idea that you can control what other people think and say. Embrace persuasion of your fellow citizens over silencing them--either through the powers of Big Tech or through moral blackmail.I think this will make our public debate much better. But there's something else. Reject censorship and you reject political violence. Embrace censorship, and you will inevitably embrace violence on its behalf.The reason is simple. The logic of censorship leads directly to one place, for there is only one way to permanently silence a human being: put a bullet in his brain.
tomder55
Sep 17, 2024, 07:01 AM
Fla Guv DeSantis says Fla will conduct it's own criminal investigation of the assassination attempt because the same Feds who are trying to put Trump in jail cannot be trusted to do the job.
“I mean, I look at the federal government with all due respect to them, you know, those same agencies that are prosecuting Trump in that jurisdiction are now going to be investigating this. I just think that that may not be the best thing for this country.”
Gov. DeSantis calls for state investigation into attempted assassination of former President Trump – Action News Jax (https://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/local/gov-desantis-calls-state-investigation-into-attempted-assassination-former-president-trump/Y452FA24V5DMNB33ADZHTXL7FU/)
State AG Ashley Moody just hit it out of the park !!
Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/ABCNews/videos/542236124924040)
Wondergirl
Sep 17, 2024, 09:05 AM
Why did BOTH shooters miss? Hmm....
tomder55
Sep 17, 2024, 09:59 AM
One did not shoot because Secret Service shot first . The other "missed " (clipped his ear) by the grace of God and Trump turning his head to look at a video monitor .
Disappointed ?
tomder55
Sep 17, 2024, 12:58 PM
https://scontent.fcps3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/460127878_1487139751971030_3965402248341664641_n.j pg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=127cfc&_nc_ohc=wzpxz4m4SFoQ7kNvgHwSGOp&_nc_ht=scontent.fcps3-1.fna&oh=00_AYAZtEcSOoxDgvH63MfoXWZUP99aBmUVGn-Oj5vMLgejuw&oe=66EFC5F2
jlisenbe
Sep 17, 2024, 03:29 PM
Why did BOTH shooters miss? Hmm....Good grief. Conspiracy theorist, are you now? Do you have your QAnon card yet?
In the meantime, under the heading of things we should actually be concerned about, 57 days have now passed since the Democrat National Convention ended. In those 57 days, if Ms. Harris had held five more press conferences, she would now have a total of...five press conferences. There have been two more assassination attempts on Mr. Trump than she has done press conferences. I'd say that could very well deserve a place in the Guiness Book!
jlisenbe
Sep 17, 2024, 03:40 PM
After saying that Trump should be doing what he can to "calm the waters", Hillary then said Monday that Donald Trump is a “danger to our country and the world” — just one day after a gunman was foiled in his bid to shoot the former president. Might want to take your own advice, Ms. Clinton.
tomder55
Sep 17, 2024, 03:44 PM
She's one to talk . The bodies littered around the landscape by the Clinton Crime family would make John Gotti proud .
Wondergirl
Sep 17, 2024, 05:10 PM
...Trump should be doing what he can to "calm the Donald Trump is a danger to our country and the world”
Wasn't Trump the one who said that, if we vote him in as.president on November 5, we'll never have to vote again. Huh? Please explain.
jlisenbe
Sep 17, 2024, 05:34 PM
Wasn't Trump the one who said that, if we vote him in as.president on November 5, we'll never have to vote again. Huh? Please explain.He didn't refer to "we". He was speaking to a Christian gathering. You can read the explanation here. It took about five minutes to find it.
PolitiFact | In Context: Donald Trump tells Christians they 'won't have to vote anymore' (https://www.politifact.com/article/2024/jul/29/in-context-donald-trump-tells-christians-they-wont/)
She's one to talk . The bodies littered around the landscape by the Clinton Crime family would make John Gotti proud .Well said, Tom.
tomder55
Sep 18, 2024, 01:33 AM
Chris Cuomo called out those who have "downplayed " the assassination attempt .
Chris Cuomo called Donald Trump after second attempt on his life | CUOMO (youtube.com) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSuefLVK6aw)
“What if it was your father? Or what if it was K (https://thehill.com/people/kamala-harris/)amala Harris or President Biden? God forbid,” “Do you think that it would be almost a shoulder shrug and more of talk about the Secret Service and allocation of funds, than just, how crazy it is that this is what’s happening in our country?”
Addressing those who say, “But the guy didn’t even shoot,” “He had an AK-47 pointed at him.”
“The reaction is unacceptable,” “And it’s the second time media and political players have gotten away with playing down what should be a cause for panic.”
Um Chris by using the words "playing down" you are down playing the Dems and compliant press reaction . They are blaming Trump for being the target of an assassin.
Oh and Chris ....... Elon Musk is not one of our leaders. He is a business man who is very good at making creative products . Have you praised him as taking Twitter and making it the only major platform that believes in free speech ?
tomder55
Sep 18, 2024, 03:18 AM
Ryan Routh the would be assassin has traveled to Ukraine and fought with the Ukraine forces against the Russians. Knowing that Trump's position is to end the war ;was Routh in contact with anyone foreign or domestic who supported him or encouraged him to attack Trump ? In other words ;with Ukraine almost certain to lose will we see blowback against the West by disillusioned Ukrainians and their supporters who feel their efforts were undermined by Trump and others opposed to our intervention ?
How did he know that Trump would be playing golf at that club at that time ? Even stipulating that Trump probably will be playing golf ,how is it that Secret Service did not sweep the course and secure it before Trump teed up ? All it would take is some drone eyes in the sky to sweep the whole course in a short time.
How irresponsible is the administration to claim they can't protect Trump because Secret Service is underfunded and over worked !!!!! Somehow they manage to protect EVERYONE ELSE they are tasked with protecting .
Biden administration asks Congress to surge Secret Service funding in "anomaly" request - CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biden-secret-service-congress-funding/)
tomder55
Sep 18, 2024, 03:26 AM
Meanwhile MSNBC again blames Trump for being shot at .
Apparent Trump assassination attempt shows need for less heated rhetoric (msnbc.com) (https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/apparent-trump-assassiation-attempt-rhetoric-rcna171321)
jlisenbe
Sep 18, 2024, 04:57 AM
Less heated rhetoric is certainly needed on the repub side. As to the dems, MSNBC has no issues with their vile words about Trump. This was posted several months ago by KH.49639
Wondergirl
Sep 18, 2024, 09:03 AM
He didn't refer to "we". He was speaking to a Christian gathering. You can read the explanation here. It took about five minutes to find it.
It was on tv. He was talking to tv watchers. "If you vote for me in November, you won't ever have to vote again".
tomder55
Sep 18, 2024, 10:05 AM
Simply stated many Christians support him but don't vote. They have their head in heavenly pursuits ."Live in this world, but not of this world,”
Why We Do Not Vote (sabbath.org) (https://www.sabbath.org/index.cfm/library/sermon/id/904/why-we-do-not-vote.htm)
Why Christians Are Not Morally Obligated to Vote (thegospelcoalition.org) (https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/why-christians-not-obligated-vote/)
My Faith Votes | 4 Reasons Disengaged Christians Don’t Vote and How to Change That (https://www.myfaithvotes.org/articles/4-reasons-disengaged-christians-dont-vote-and-how-to-change-that)
Why I Don’t Vote (and probably never will) - Unfeigned Christianity (asherwitmer.com) (https://www.asherwitmer.com/why-i-dont-vote-and-probably-never-will/)
What Trump was saying was that if they voted for him just this one time he would fix everything so they would not need to vote again.
But the Dems and compliant press are good at taking segments of what is said and then distort it to comply with their preconceived narrative . So you have Trump's line being spun as 'see he wants to be a dictator '
It is not different than the "blood bath " quote being turned into a promise of violence if he loses even though he was using the term ;as many Dems have used it in the past to speak of economic consequences of a failed policy .
Wondergirl
Sep 18, 2024, 10:33 AM
He wasn't addressing only Christians.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bzmvVr2uKIc
I'm a Christian. If he's elected, why won't I ever have to vote again?
tomder55
Sep 18, 2024, 11:38 AM
lol Marc Elias is a lawyer frequently working for the Dems . He was Evita's General Council during her 2016 run. Paige Moscowitz is a social media manager They both are in 'Democracy Docket ' a site Elias created .
It has been described as liberal-leaning and progressive.
Democracy Docket - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Docket)
Yes he was ONLY addressing Christians . He was at the 'Believers Summit ' that was organized by Turning Point USA . The organization was founded by conservative activist Charlie Kirk .It's goal is have a conservative reach out to youth ;especially in college.
Turning Point USA - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turning_Point_USA)
I assure you Trump was catering his comments to those in attendance. I doubt there were any libs there except for maybe a troll with a recording device so Trump's comments could be sliced and diced to take out of context.
jlisenbe
Sep 18, 2024, 08:26 PM
He wasn't addressing only Christians.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bzmvVr2uKIc
I'm a Christian. If he's elected, why won't I ever have to vote again?If you would bother yourself to read the article I linked, you would find out. And yes, he was speaking to an assembly of Christian people. Even your own youtube video says this at the 40 second mark. Did you even listen to it???
I assure you Trump was catering his comments to those in attendance. I doubt there were any libs there except for maybe a troll with a recording device so Trump's comments could be sliced and diced to take out of context.Exactly correct.
tomder55
Sep 19, 2024, 12:11 PM
Biden Promises Next Trump Assassin Will Be A Woman Of Color | Babylon Bee (https://babylonbee.com/news/biden-promises-next-trump-assassin-will-be-a-woman-of-color)
tomder55
Sep 20, 2024, 03:07 AM
Rep Matt Gaetz claimed yesterday that there are 5 known assassin groups in the USA to take down Trump . Now Gaetz is someone I normally will not go to without collaborating sources . However he stated that there was a whistleblowers from DHS that approached him.
"I had a senior official from the Department of Homeland Security in my office before the second assassination attempt, saying that what he has assessed is that there are five known assassination teams in the United States, three inspired by other governments, two that are here, that are known domestic assassination teams," Gaetz said on "Human Events Daily."
"And with that, this individual was coming to me, concerned that the force protection around President Trump, even prior to that second assassination attempt, was not sufficient for what it needed to be, and the coordination at that level, at the dignitary protection level is like the bare minimum that we have to do to keep our presidents, our presidential candidates, safe while they're on the trail,"
Congressman says Homeland whistleblower claims five assassin teams hunting Trump | Just The News (https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/dhs-knew-5-assassination-teams-after-trump-2nd-attempt-gaetz)
Looking for corroboration in the coming days .
jlisenbe
Sep 20, 2024, 04:30 AM
When was the last time a pres/former pres was subjected to TWO assassination attempts within a month? I think Trump is in great danger. His courage is the biggest reason I have become a Trump supporter.
tomder55
Sep 20, 2024, 04:53 AM
That would be Gerald Ford
Squeaky Fromme from the Manson family shot at Ford from point blank range September 5 ,1975 with a Colt M1911 . She had forgot or failed to chamber her bullet .
Sara Jane Moore took 2 shots at Ford September 22, 1975 with a 38 special . She missed .
jlisenbe
Sep 20, 2024, 07:24 AM
Ah, the good ole days of women's lib, when the gals realized they could shoot as well as the men. Well, at least close to as good.
tomder55
Sep 20, 2024, 02:30 PM
peeling the onion for stuff the compliant press won't report . Who is Ryan Routh ? We know he went to Ukraine to recruit for Ukraine in their war against Russia. But why hasn't the compliant press reported that when he returned that Customs and Border Patrol (CBP) flagged him as suspicious . They interrogated him June 2023 . They forwarded this info to DHS and they failed to act on it .
According to 'Just the News ' (a site by John Solomon I highly recommend. Solomon has steadfastly reported news that the compliant press fails to cover . )
The June 2023 encounter with Routh at the Honolulu airport is confirmed in U.S. border entry records reviewed by Just the News and is latest tale of missed law enforcement opportunities dating 2019 to stop or further investigation the alleged would-be assassin.
The records show that CBP officials knew that Routh had traveled to Warsaw, Poland, near the Ukraine border, and to Istanbul, Turkey, in 2022 and 2023 and had admitted in his interview that he had been recruiting as many as 100 foreign fighters from Taiwan, Afghanistan and Moldova to join Ukraine's war against the Russian invasion.
Routh even gave U.S. agents who interviewed him a business card that portrayed him as the director of a group called the "International Volunteer Center" that also claimed to have contact in Syria, Pakistan and Israel. He also described who had underwritten his efforts to recruit foreigners to assist Kyiv.
“Subject is a USC who had traveled to Kiev, Ukraine for 3 months to help recruit Soldiers from Afghanistan, Moldova, and Taiwan, to fight in the Ukrainian war against Russia,” the CBP interview notes of Routh state.
“Subject stated that he does not get paid for his recruiting efforts and all his work for the Ukrainian government is strictly volunteer work Subject provided his recruiting business card (cards have been uploaded into the event) which list his recruiting partners that he speaks with to recruit soldiers from Afghanistan, Romanian, Pakistan, Syria, and Israel,” the note added. "Subject stated that he obtains money from his wife to help fund his trips to Ukraine."
Suspected Trump assassin flagged by U.S. during return from Ukraine, but Homeland refused probe | Just The News (https://justthenews.com/government/security/trump-assassination-suspect-flagged-border-protection-agents-homeland-security)
Ok so who is his wife and how does she fund his trips ?? Good Question ? Something a reporter from the NY Slimes should be interested in ?
His wife is Kathleen Shaffer . Who ? I have not seen her name in the Washington Compost . Has she been interviewed ?
Turns out he wrote a book about the Ukraine war that his wife edited .
Amazon.com: Ukraine's Unwinnable War: The Fatal Flaw of Democracy, World Abandonment and the Global Citizen-Taiwan, Afghanistan, North Korea and the end of Humanity eBook : Routh, Ryan, Shaffer, Kathleen : Kindle Store (https://www.amazon.com/Ukraines-Unwinnable-War-Abandonment-Citizen-Taiwan-ebook/dp/B0BX4W9XKT)
She ran a GoFundME for his Ukraine adventures .
Asteri 🇪🇸 🇺🇲 on X: "Ryan Routh's girlfriend, Kathleen Shaffer, owns the blue house in Hawaii and also organized a GoFundMe for him to go to Ukraine, where he stayed for more than half a year. https://t.co/9gk0qYSU94 (https://x.com/AsteriWilde/status/1835461932893008073) https://t.co/rReP4rK2xn" / X
LinkedIn has her tied to Maximus Corp. which does government business.
Kathleen Shaffer - Maximus | LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/in/kashaffer)
Moving people forward | Maximus (https://maximus.com/)
Maximus is headquartered in Langley Va. ;a hop skip away from CIA HQ . The website for the company is very vague about what they actually do.
But these videos may give an idea .
Moving the mission forward -- supporting DoD (youtube.com) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_1nM_Ub5iQ)
Performing at the speed of human need (youtube.com) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2BqJdBuGcg)
Hmmm modernizing DOD and training CDC on how to administer the covid vaccine. Would it be safe to surmise that Maximus is part of the security state ?
Let's just take the leap .Routh and the security state have another common interest ...... the continuation of the Ukraine conflict .....something Trump made clear he would like to end.
tomder55
Sep 25, 2024, 07:36 AM
https://thedailybs.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/db2-16.jpg
tomder55
Sep 25, 2024, 11:52 AM
Trump got a briefing about the Iran threats against him .
Trump campaign says US intelligence warned of Iran assassination threats (bbc.com) (https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd0z2394ey2o)
This comes in the wake of claims that Secret Service sorta forced him to cancel an event in Wisconsin
Josh Hawley on X: "🚨🚨 NEW - A whistleblower tells me the Secret Service DENIED the Trump campaign the resources & manpower for a rally in Wisconsin. That contradicts Rowe, who said Trump, Harris & Biden were all getting the same protection. Harris held a WI rally last week https://t.co/wRAKuFRWQV" / X (https://x.com/HawleyMO/status/1838744903746027753)
So they did not have the resources to protect Trump in swing state Wisconsin.
Can they protect Kam the Sham ?
Harris draws large crowd in Madison at her fourth 2024 campaign rally in Wisconsin (pbswisconsin.org) (https://pbswisconsin.org/news-item/harris-draws-large-crowd-in-madison-at-her-fourth-2024-campaign-rally-in-wisconsin/)
tomder55
Oct 2, 2024, 03:37 AM
Ummm We now know that Iran has hit squads looking to kill Trump. Have Joe and Kam sanctioned Iran over this fact ? Actually no instead Iran's President travelled to NY and got protection when he spoke at the UN .
Now Iran has launched hundreds of missiles at Israel . Some were intercepted ;many hit their target. Kam did a blah blah blah statement about supporting Israel and then walked out without taking any questions.
Facebook Live | Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/?ref=watch_permalink&v=1751917628737555)
Do you think the administration will put new sanctions or restore Trump's sanctions on Iran. Don't hold your breath.
She wants to be Commander in Chief .
tomder55
Oct 13, 2024, 03:59 AM
Senator Josh Hawley had ANOTHER whistleblower approach him . He was told that Secret Service auditors were blocked by the agency from attending some of Trump's rallies . The claim is that they did this to hide the fact that even though there have been 2 attempts on Trump's life this campaign; and we have been told by DHS that there are as many as 5 assassin teams inside the US targeting him; they STILL do not grant him full protection.
2024-10-08-Hawley-Letter-to-Rowe.pdf (senate.gov) (https://www.hawley.senate.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/2024-10-08-Hawley-Letter-to-Rowe.pdf)
jlisenbe
Oct 13, 2024, 05:30 AM
People looking for conspiracy stories might want to start here on this story.
tomder55
Oct 14, 2024, 03:17 AM
ANOTHER would be assassin was arrested outside of Trump's California rally. The guy had fully loaded weapons and fake passports VIP passes and press credentials .
The suspect, a 49-year-old resident of Las Vegas, was driving an unregistered black SUV with a “homemade” license plate that was stopped by deputies assigned to the rally in Coachella, east of Los Angeles, Riverside County Sheriff Chad Bianco said at a news conference Sunday afternoon.
The driver claimed to be a journalist but it was unclear if he had the proper credentials. Deputies noticed the interior of the vehicle was “in disarray” and a search uncovered the weapons and ammo, along with multiple passports and driver licenses with different names, Bianco said.
Man with loaded gun arrested at checkpoint near Trump's rally in Coachella | AP News (https://apnews.com/article/trump-rally-arrest-coachella-california-282a384e3fae256352c685174a3a74f4)
This days after Hawley's revelations that Secret Service is still not adequately protecting him. In all 3 incidents it has been local police that have saved his life.
BTW great job by the compliant press . I guess attempts on Trump's life are so routine that they have become not news worthy. Imagine the furor if this guy was gunning for Harris. It would be 24-7 coverage along with the usual never let a crisis go to waste talking points. Trump would be blamed for inciting it . They would of course claim it proof that guns have to be confiscated. Surely racial hatred and misogyny would be brought up.
But attempts on Trump's life ? No biggie
tomder55
Oct 14, 2024, 05:34 AM
The guy arrested Vem Miller, claimed he was a Trump supporter . So they released him although investigations are ongoing.
Secret Service, FBI Downplay Threat to Trump at California Rally | RealClearPolitics (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2024/10/14/secret_service_fbi_downplay_threat_to_trump_califo rnia_rally__151779.html)
tomder55
Nov 9, 2024, 05:27 AM
The threats to Trump don't end with him being elected. In fact it makes protecting him even more critical.
Iran instructed one of its agents running a New York City-based criminal network to stalk and assassinate former President Donald Trump in the 2024 election’s final weeks — telling him that “money’s not an issue,” the feds revealed Friday.
An unnamed official in Iran’s notorious Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps tasked Farhad Shakeri, 51, during September to “focus on surveilling, and, ultimately, assassinating” Trump, according to a bombshell criminal complaint unsealed by Manhattan federal prosecutors Friday.
Iranian murder-for-hire plot against Trump revealed as 2 New Yorkers also busted in plan to kill journalist (https://nypost.com/2024/11/08/us-news/iranian-agent-instructed-to-stalk-assassinate-trump-by-tehran-bombshell-indictment-reveals/)
Stop the criminal investigation cr@p ! The administration should make it clear to Iran that just the threat is an act of war and we will act on that premise.
tomder55
Nov 15, 2024, 06:07 AM
Sen John Fetterman was doing a post-mortem on the c
campaign and was speaking of about the assassination attempt on Trump in Pa.
He said that he observed people at all hours of the day purchasing Trump merchandise with the now iconic picture of him raising his fist in defiance.
Then he said something that caught my attention.
“It’s like, ‘They tried everything. They impeached this man, they put him on trial. You know, the media. And now they tried to kill him, and he survived.’ And he had the presence of mind to even respond, and created that. What if that was [Barack] Obama? Can you imagine what that would have meant to Democrats?”
Who is the 'they' he is speaking about ? The 'they' in the first statement is the deep state . Is the 'they' in his comments about the assassination the same 'they' ?
jlisenbe
Nov 15, 2024, 10:59 AM
Posted that quote to Facebook. Fetterman has turned out to be an interesting, thoughtful guy. I must admit to being somewhat surprised by him.
tomder55
Nov 15, 2024, 12:39 PM
I expect the Dems will drive him out of the party ;and like Manchin and Gabbard ,he will become independent .
tomder55
Mar 2, 2025, 04:10 AM
NY Post says that Crooks may have not acted alone (duh)
A veteran private investigator from Erie, Pa., who was hired shortly after the fateful July 13 event at the Butler rally to look into Crooks by a private client, told The Post he believes a “criminal network” was operating with him at the time of the assassination attempt, is still in existence and still wants to kill President Trump.
Doug Hagmann, whose team of six other investigators have been working the case for months and have interviewed more than 100 people, said they also conducted extensive geofencing analysis of cellphones and tablets not belonging to Crooks that were found with him at his home, at the rifle range where he took target practice, at the rally and at Bethel Park High School, where he graduated in 2022.
“We don’t think he acted alone,” Hagmann told The Post. “This took a lot of coordination. In my view, Crooks was handled by more than one individual and he was used for this [assassination attempt]. And I wouldn’t preclude the possibility that there were people at the rally itself helping him.”
Exclusive | Would-be Trump assassin Thomas Matthew Crooks may have had accomplice, data show (https://nypost.com/2025/02/27/us-news/would-be-trump-assassin-thomas-matthew-crooks-may-have-had-accomplice-data-shows/)
Did we learn this from Secret Service ? the FBI ? No a private investigator appears to be the investigator on the ball. What a concept ....tracking cell phone pings . Federal Law enforcements knows how to do it. That is how they id'ed the January 6 mostly peaceful protesters .
This isn't really new . Oversight Project did Geo tracking of Crooks phone in July.
Trump Shooter Mobile Tracking Data Shows Devices Traveling to Washington DC, Massachusetts - The Maine Wire (https://www.themainewire.com/2024/07/trump-shooter-mobile-tracking-data-shows-devices-traveling-to-washington-dc-massachusetts/)
Hagmann said he was personally escorted to the Butler County line and told to leave twice during the course of his team’s investigation. The people who did so were either federal agents or some type of private security.
Flashback September 2024
Democrat senator says Americans will be ‘shocked’ by report into Trump assassination attempt (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyba0c3l4q0&t=4s)
While reacting to a second assassination attempt (https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/national-international/apparent-attempt-on-trumps-life-raises-questions-about-how-it-could-have-happened-again/3387132/) Sunday, he said a report is coming “very soon” summarizing the findings of an investigation by Congress and the U.S. Senate into the first attempt.
“I think the American people are going to be shocked and appalled by our findings as to the lapses and failures on that day,” Blumenthal, (D - Connecticut), said during an unrelated press event in Hartford.
Blumenthal: People will be ‘shocked’, ‘appalled’ by report on first Trump assassination attempt – NBC Connecticut (https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/blumenthal-people-will-be-shocked-appalled-by-report-on-first-trump-assassination-attempt/3387438/)
ummmm what report ?
tomder55
May 16, 2025, 04:33 AM
James Comey who tried to destroy Trump with phony lawfare may have gone too far.
He posted this image on Instagram
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/480/cpsprodpb/d46b/live/7da98ad0-31ff-11f0-b33d-476c0569fbbf.png.webp
innocuously 86 means to get rid of . It is believed to originate from the NYPD .It is said that police they wanted to get rid of were sent to the 86th precinct which was a violent part of town .
To want to 86 someone could be taken as a threat.
8647 could mean to 86 the 47th President.
Comey may be called on to testify to Secret Services over this meme.
Secretary Kristi Noem on X: "Disgraced former FBI Director James Comey just called for the assassination of @POTUS Trump. DHS and Secret Service is investigating this threat and will respond appropriately." / X (https://x.com/Sec_Noem/status/1923141313005785365)
When he took it down he claimed he was unaware that 86 could conceivably be interpreted with violence (yeah right) .
Former FBI Director James Comey takes down Instagram post after conservative uproar | CNN Politics (https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/15/politics/james-comey-instagram-post-donald-trump-uproar)
tomder55
May 17, 2025, 03:37 AM
Comey secretly met with Secret Service . I have no idea how the meeting went. Had he been a lesser known ;they may have broken down doors at his home and seized his phones and computers investigating such a threat.
In the mob world 86 means drive him 8 miles out of town and bury him 6 feet deep. In today's politics it is used as an expression of resistance by those who may not get they are issuing a threat . Can a former FBI director claim such innocence ?
Comey has been a face of resistance of Trump since 2016 . His agency tried to prevent Trump winning election. Then they spied ;investigated and tried to impeach and imprison him.
The threats escalated during the 2024 campaign . Not only did Trump have to overcome multiple attempts to jail him; but twice assassins tried to kill him. Meanwhile the rhetoric against him by the resistance more than implied that he was such a threat that killing was justified . Would assassinating Hitler been in the world's best interest ? Surely Comey knows that and understands how his meme could be interpreted .
jlisenbe
May 17, 2025, 05:09 AM
The CNN headline was interesting. "After conservative uproar". So when a former FBI chief calls for violence against a sitting pres, it is only conservatives who should be in an "uproar" over it?
tomder55
May 17, 2025, 05:15 AM
Yeah the compliant press desperate to change the narrative. It was the unhinged right's objection that was the issue.
tomder55
May 19, 2025, 05:02 AM
Kash Patel and Dan Bongino said 'nothing to see here' regarding Trump assassination attempts. They said there is no evidence of foreign links to either attempts even though there was clear evidence of foreign hit teams in the US.
This is especially puzzling with what has been found out about Ryan Wesley Routh and his associations with pro-Ukraine groups .
For more "credible statements " by Patel and Bongino see their comments about Epstein's suicide and the boxes and boxes of new evidence they have on Russiagate that they don't plan on doing anything about because of the statute of limitations.
"But what I’ll tell people is we weren’t here in the FBI in the last five years when we had statutes of limitations that were still in play."
"I’m just telling you right now, as much as we know about Crossfire Hurricane, he and I just found out more last week, and we’re continuing to work with Congress to put those documents out. That’s how vindictive the former leadership was. Not only did they bastardize the process, they withheld and hid documentation and put it in rooms where people weren’t supposed to look," Patel continued.
Bartiromo follows up: "What do you mean?"
FBI Director Kash Patel smiled and said: "Just give us about a week or two."
FBI Director Kash Patel: Accountability Takes Time, "Vindictive" Former Leaders Hid Truth And "Broke The FBI" | Video | RealClearPolitics (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2025/05/18/fbi_director_patel_accountability_takes_time.html)
Both men said that the former FBI leadership — including Comey, Strzok and former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe — knowingly lied to federal courts, abused surveillance powers, and suppressed exculpatory evidence to target political opponents.
“The FBI was the most storied law enforcement institution — and it will be again very soon,” Patel said. “But first, we must have full accountability. Justice is coming.”
Kash Patel And Dan Bongino Say New Russiagate Evidence Uncovered: ‘Justice Is Coming’ (https://www.aol.com/kash-patel-dan-bongino-russiagate-181757857.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAGZRwlIN3X-_CxtoMYMw8d1N7j0BksmGIg2ZAOB1iE9lyJl0UyB86WvsU8_uS j5v9G6rEGP_ubk7ii4BDg1oxOJ6o5g0JsiR_tq565xANTrFPCT J4_RCsMcuR23OBPkP_AsKrgGoF2i5POn4zWqRfSpgKoRCJu5CD 6o2qaHXwmsF)
Yeah so far the FBI under your watch has been a pillar of transparency.
tomder55
May 20, 2025, 03:23 AM
Comey has a book coming out next week. 'FDR Drive' is a fiction like much of Comey's career. He is on the talk show circuit shilling . What better way to get attention than to create a controversy the week before it is released ?
FDR Drive (https://www.publishersweekly.com/9781613166444)