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tomder55
Mar 26, 2022, 04:55 AM
He told them what they will see WHEN they are in Ukraine .


And you’re going to see when you’re there. And you — some — some of you have been there. You’re going to see — you’re going to see women, young people standing — standing the middle of — in front of a damn tank, just saying, “I’m not leaving. I’m holding my ground.” They’re incredible. But they take a lot of inspiration from us."
Remarks by President Biden During Visit with Service Members of the 82nd Airborne Division | The White House (https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2022/03/25/remarks-by-president-biden-during-visit-with-service-members-of-the-82nd-airborne-division/)

This non-admission admission was quickly addressed by the White House spin control.
White House corrects Biden after he suggested US troops WOULD be sent to Ukraine | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10653329/White-House-corrects-Biden-suggested-troops-sent-Ukraine.html)

Was this a senior's oldzheimer's moment or a temporary moment of candor ? Either prospect is scary
This is why his handlers will not let him order an ice cream cone without the use of a teleprompter .

jlisenbe
Mar 26, 2022, 06:09 AM
Just when we need real leadership, we have this. He does at least make Trump look better. Sadly, Taiwan is probably next.

Wondergirl
Mar 26, 2022, 09:06 AM
It's a literary device.

tomder55
Mar 26, 2022, 10:49 AM
If that were so then the White House would've had no need to issue a clarifying retraction .

Wondergirl
Mar 26, 2022, 11:04 AM
If that were so then the White House would've had no need to issue a clarifying retraction .
They dId because people don't learn about literary devices in school anymore and had no understanding of what he was saying. It wasn't a retraction; it was a clarification.

tomder55
Mar 26, 2022, 01:21 PM
You think Clueless knows the difference between a "literary device " and a chocolate chip ice creme cone ? He screwed up and he had to be covered for .'

The Dems want this war going into the midterms. They want him to be able to wax poetic about brave American soldiers and their sacrifices .

Wondergirl
Mar 26, 2022, 01:25 PM
You think Clueless knows the difference between a "literary device and a chocolate chip ice creme cone ?
Yes. He was in school a bit ahead of me and obviously learned about literary devices too. I actually smiled with joy when I heard that part of his speech.

Apparently,you haven't a clue about literary devices - or rhetorical devices.

tomder55
Mar 26, 2022, 03:10 PM
I know he is mentally incapacitated and should give up the Presidency for the good of the country. Robert Gates said of Clueless "I think he has been wrong on nearly every major foreign policy and national security issue over the past four decades,” Gates could not be more accurate .

He was not using literary flare . He blurted out a truth that his handlers did not want revealed . Why would they correct the record otherwise?

tomder55
Mar 26, 2022, 03:19 PM
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tomder55
Mar 27, 2022, 03:37 AM
Clueless did it again yesterday . Was it more " literary device " ;US policy ;or just the Clueless Joe gaffe of the day ? Whatever it was ,it sparked an international uproar .
Clueless during the campaign constantly critiqued Trump for saying things off the cuff . Back then he said that President's words matter ;"They can move markets. They can send our brave men and women to war. They can bring peace.”

At the end of a half hour speech where he stuck to his handler's prepared text ,Clueless ad-libbed and called for regime change in Russia . “For God’s sake, this man cannot remain in power”.

Remarks by President Biden on the United Efforts of the Free World to Support the People of Ukraine | The White House (https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2022/03/26/remarks-by-president-biden-on-the-united-efforts-of-the-free-world-to-support-the-people-of-ukraine/)

Those 9 words by Clueless completely contradicted American policy as stated by many senior administration officials including Sec State Blinken who have repeatedly stated that regime change was not on the table of US goals.

U.S. has no strategy of regime change in Russia, Blinken says | Reuters (https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-has-no-strategy-regime-change-russia-blinken-says-2022-03-27/)

In fact it reversed official US policy that has been ongoing since the end of WWII ;and throughout the darkest days of the Cold War. No US president ever called for regime change in Moscow.

World leaders ,diplomats all went into panic mode and sought clarification . This forced White House officials to go into damage control . Reporters rushed to find administration officials to seek clarity .

Biden's comment that Putin can't remain in power stirs concern (usatoday.com) (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2022/03/26/biden-putin-cannot-remain-power/7181665001/?gnt-cfr=1)

One official said The president’s point was that Putin cannot be allowed to exercise power over his neighbors or the region. He was not discussing Putin’s power in Russia or regime change” .[But many refused to give a statement because they were not clear about what the intent of the comment was .
The last thing needed in this conflict is for Putin to dig in because he is convinced that the US goal is to drive him from office .It makes the prospect of a negotiated settlement less likely It also tells Putin that perhaps the US is looking at total victory against Russia . That has been Putin's big concern since the end of the Cold War as he watched NATO march steadily eastward .This discourages Putin from seeking compromise because for him it becomes an all or nothing proposition . The comments confirm his greatest fears .

At a minimum it signals to Putin what Clueless' true feelings and desires are . I'm sure he will use those 9 words as part of his propaganda campaign.

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said: “It’s not up to the President of the US and not up to the Americans to decide who will remain in power in Russia.”

Clueless' self claim to fame was his foreign policy experience ;his relationship with foreign leaders ,his ability to work towards diplomatic compromise .Those 9 words expose him for the fraud he is . He was the dumbest Senator ever . He had been the dumbest VP before Harris . Now he is the dumbest President .

jlisenbe
Mar 27, 2022, 05:22 AM
No doubt it was another "literary device", otherwise known as a "literary blunder". Worst of all, he appealed to God!! As any good lib knows, we must keep church and state separated.

Wondergirl
Mar 27, 2022, 10:14 AM
At the end of a half hour speech where he stuck to his handler's prepared text ,Clueless ad-libbed and called for regime change in Russia . “For God’s sake, this man cannot remain in power”.
Had Trump said that while pumping his fists in the air, the crowd (and you) would have cheered!

tomder55
Mar 27, 2022, 12:26 PM
Trump did not say that but nice hypothetical . As with Blinken ,Mike Pompeo woud've correctly immediately walked it back .

I am schooled enough in foreign policy to realize it was a STUPID thing for a President to say so you are incorrect in assume I would've cheered it on .....and BTW Clueless's claim of great foreign policy comes into doubt with such a blunder . For you to excuse it makes me think you are the one waiving pompoms


As you see ;EVERY compliant press publication knows it was a major screw up

biden putin - Google Search (https://www.google.com/search?q=biden+putin+&source=hp&ei=N71AYp7KKOSa_Qbur5igBQ&iflsig=AHkkrS4AAAAAYkDLR5Lqt63vN7qu6SwOc8700Ut1Olv F&ved=0ahUKEwjeweq5hef2AhVkTd8KHe4XBlQQ4dUDCAk&uact=5&oq=biden+putin+&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAMyCwgAEIAEELEDEIMBMggIABCABBC xAzIICAAQgAQQsQMyBQgAEIAEMgUIABCABDIFCAAQgAQyBQgAE IAEMgUIABCABDoOCC4QgAQQsQMQxwEQowI6CwguELEDEIMBENQ COgsILhCABBDHARCjAjoRCC4QgAQQsQMQgwEQxwEQowI6CAgAE LEDEIMBOg4ILhCABBDHARCvARDUAjoLCC4QgAQQsQMQgwE6CAg uEIAEELEDUABYyyNgoDVoAHAAeACAAcACiAH1CpIBBzkuMS4xL jGYAQCgAQE&sclient=gws-wiz)

Wondergirl
Mar 27, 2022, 02:02 PM
Trump did not say that but nice hypothetical .
Instead, Trump kisses Putin's backside -- to cheers from the crowd.


As you see ;EVERY compliant press publication knows it was a major screw up
As would be the case if Trump said it? NO ONE in Trump's administration ever walked back anything Trump said.

jlisenbe
Mar 27, 2022, 02:25 PM
Yep. Those "literary devices" can sure be tricky. They only seem to work for liberal dems.

Wondergirl
Mar 27, 2022, 02:48 PM
Yep. Those "literary devices" can sure be tricky. They only seem to work for liberal dems.
Because liberal dems have higher IQs and paid attention in English class and weren't goofing off.

You can't even name a literary device without looking it up. Or have no clue which one Biden was using.

jlisenbe
Mar 27, 2022, 03:13 PM
If that was true, then I’d be in the same position you are in with science.

The only thing Biden was using was low IQ. I’m pretty sure that’s not a lit device.

Wondergirl
Mar 27, 2022, 03:19 PM
The only thing Biden was using was low IQ. I’m pretty sure that’s not a lit device.
Ha! You're using another literary device (you didn't realize that, did you!) to get me to tell you which one Biden used.

jlisenbe
Mar 27, 2022, 03:25 PM
Truthfulness is a lit device???

Well, I am glad to see you following my advice of sticking with grammar. Having struck out with science, it’s your best bet. Congrats!!

tomder55
Mar 27, 2022, 03:40 PM
the literary device used was unintentional statement of his true position .It is a Michael Kinsley gaffe defined as A truthful statement told accidentally, usually by a politician that exposes their true belief . I suppose in literary terms it is a faux pas

Wondergirl
Mar 27, 2022, 03:43 PM
Truthfulness is a lit device???

Well, I am glad to see you following my advice of sticking with grammar. Having struck out with science, it’s your best bet. Congrats!!
Yep! I knew you don't know a literary device from a hole in the wall. And, btw, literary devices are not grammar.

You still didn't read that link, did you. *sigh* Or maybe you didn't understand it. Hmm....

jlisenbe
Mar 27, 2022, 07:45 PM
All we need to know about your link.


Exactly! And that's why they have lost a huge amount of muscle mass.




And that's why they have gained a huge amount of muscle mass.

Wondergirl
Mar 27, 2022, 08:47 PM
All we need to know about your link.
I explained earlier. You didn't read it, did you!

jlisenbe
Mar 28, 2022, 04:44 AM
I read it. I didn't believe it. But one way or the other, your link provided no support for your ideas and even contradicted the idea of a "testosterone bath". It's pretty bad when you post a quote that proves your own idea to be wrong.

tomder55
Mar 28, 2022, 04:59 AM
There was a 4TH screw up by Clueless in his short time at NATO. When asked about the possible use of chemical weapons Clueless said that NATO would "respond in kind" ;indicating that NATO would use chemical weapons in response .White House mouthpiece ,National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan had to clarify to the world that no .we would not be using chemical weapons in response. He said what Clueless should've said. Sullivan said that he meant "we’ll respond accordingly" and that Russia would pay a "severe price."

Clueless went to the NATO summit because Kam the Sham did such a lousy job when she did her latest European junket .But 4 times in his brief visit he had major gaffes that his administration had to immediately repudiate and clarify.

Zelenskyy said this weekend that NATO is all talk.

Zelensky accuses West of cowardice, warns Russia wants to split nation | TheHill (https://thehill.com/homenews/wire/599968-zelensky-accuses-west-of-cowardice-warns-russia-wants-to-split-nation)

But what we get from Clueless is dangerous because his words are muddled and do not clarify US or NATO positions .Stuff like that leads to miscalculations .

jlisenbe
Mar 28, 2022, 05:03 AM
When asked about the possible use of chemical weapons Clueless said that NATO would "respond in kind" ;indicating that NATO would use chemical weapons in response .White House mouthpiece ,National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan had to clarify to the world that no .we would not be using chemical weapons in response.An ingenious use of another literary device?

Biden recently insisted that sanctions do NOT deter. He said it repeatedly. A number of members of his own admin have said just as insistently that sanctions DO deter. Hmmm.

tomder55
Mar 28, 2022, 10:33 AM
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Wondergirl
Mar 28, 2022, 11:05 AM
Thank goodness Biden didn't say, "We're going to walk down and I'll be there with you. We're going to walk down--We're going to walk down. Anyone you want, but I think right here, we're going to walk down to the Capitol--"

If he had, there might have been an insurrection with windows smashed and offices vandalized.

tomder55
Mar 28, 2022, 12:30 PM
ahh another literary device ..... a non sequitur . Well done !

jlisenbe
Mar 28, 2022, 12:42 PM
I sometimes wonder what world people are living in when this (we're going to walk down to the Capitol) somehow becomes an incitement to violence, but this (For God’s sake, this man cannot remain in power) is merely the wise use of a literary device.

Political bias, perhaps?

Wondergirl
Mar 28, 2022, 01:27 PM
Trump had encouraged the crowd to "show strength" to take back the election, and then was driven back to the WH in his motorcade. Had Biden said and done that ... oh my!

tomder55
Mar 28, 2022, 05:30 PM
Clueless had a presser today. His handlers decided to deal with his problem of off the cuff comments by giving him cheat sheets to refer to .

https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/03/biden-cheatsheet-005.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=716

jlisenbe
Mar 28, 2022, 05:42 PM
No mention of his using a literary device on his cue cards? Wonder why?

And Trump encouraged the crowd to "show strength"? Wow. Did he say that before or after telling them to proceed peacefully? Rather strangely, you left that part of his speech out.

Wondergirl
Mar 28, 2022, 06:13 PM
At least Biden hasn't used Trump's favorite rhetorical device, anaphora.

tomder55
Mar 29, 2022, 04:06 AM
Clueless went out of his way to deny saying what the whole planet heard him say .

DOOCY: Are you worried that other leaders in the world are going to start to doubt that America is back if some of these big things that you say on the world stage keep getting walked back?
BIDEN: What’s getting walked back?
DOOCY: It may sound like, just in the last couple days—it sounded like you told U.S. troops they were going Ukraine. It sounded like you said it was possible the U.S. would use a chemical weapon. And it sounded like you were calling for regime change in Russia and we know—
BIDEN: None of the three occurred.
DOOCY: None of the three occurred?
BIDEN: None of the three. You interpret the language that way.

He then said he was talking about Poland to the troops . Well there are no Russian tanks in Poland to my knowledge .

Clearly when he said if Russia used chemical weapons we would 'respond in kind ' what he meant to say is that we would' kind of respond ',or there would be 'some kind of response ',or maybe a 'kind response' .

Regime change ? He was just expressing moral outrage according to him. That would be one thing if he were still a Senator .Maybe a bit irresponsible . Recently Sen Graham expressed the opinion that someone should wack Putin. It is an entirely different matter when the President of the US is on the world stage expressing US policy . Maybe Clueless doesn't get the distinction.

tomder55
Mar 29, 2022, 04:11 AM
At least Biden hasn't used Trump's favorite rhetorical device, anaphora.

Kam the Sham has that one covered . From her convention acceptance speech

Family is my husband Doug, who I met on a blind date set up by my best friend. Family is our beautiful children, Cole and Ella, who call me “Momala.” Family is my sister. Family is my best friend, my nieces and my godchildren. Family is my uncles, my aunts, and my chittis. Family is Mrs. Sheldon, my second mother who lived two doors down and helped raise me. Family is my beloved Alpha Kappa Alpha, our Divine Nine and my HBCU brothers and sisters. Family is the friends I turn to when my mother, the most important person in my life, passed away from cancer.

Anyway there is nothing wrong with anaphora .MLK used it very effectively during his 'I have a dream ' speech.

And yes ,Clueless uses it to great effect . The worst pandemic in a century.' 'The worst economic crisis since the Great Depression.' 'The worst attack on our democracy since the Civil War.' (address to Congress 4/29/21)

jlisenbe
Mar 29, 2022, 04:50 AM
You interpret the language that way.What a clever discovery, that people actually attach meaning to words.

Wondergirl
Mar 29, 2022, 09:01 AM
You amaze me, tomder! Your posts always have substance (even if I don't agree with what you say). Thanks for Post #36!