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Athos
Dec 23, 2020, 10:56 PM
4 Blackwater contractors massacred 17 Iraqi civilian two of which were children are pardoned by Donald Trump.

Crystal Mason, a black woman in Texas, is serving five years for voting on supervised release when she didn't realize she was ineligible.

Merry Christmas.

tomder55
Dec 24, 2020, 06:04 AM
If there were voter ID cards that would not have happened.

Athos
Dec 24, 2020, 09:59 AM
If there were voter ID cards that would not have happened.

Voter ID cards would have prevented the 4 thugs from murdering 17 civilians including women and children???

jlisenbe
Dec 24, 2020, 11:18 AM
And this causes people to kneel at the playing of the National Anthem? Hmmm.

Wondergirl
Dec 24, 2020, 11:35 AM
And this causes people to kneel at the playing of the National Anthem? Hmmm.
If you were Black, you'd kneel too.

jlisenbe
Dec 24, 2020, 12:01 PM
If you were Black, you'd kneel too.Not on the basis of what some Blackwater contractors supposedly did, and not of the basis of a woman being convicted of her SECOND felony and having to serve jail time. Besides that, you have no idea what I would do if I was black. Neither do I, for that matter.

But we could certainly force twelve year boys to have vasectomies and cut off the right hands of thieves. That makes no sense in this context, but it made no sense the last three or four times you've made that suggestion, so I thought I'd just throw it in before you had the chance.

Wondergirl
Dec 24, 2020, 12:08 PM
Not on the basis of what some Blackwater contractors supposedly did, and not of the basis of a woman being convicted of her SECOND felony
That's not why Blacks kneel.

Wondergirl
Dec 24, 2020, 12:15 PM
But we could certainly force twelve year boys to have vasectomies and cut off the right hands of thieves.
REVERSIBLE vasectomies. It would be a minimun of pain and wouldn't change anything except that they couldn't get a female pregnant. Thus, NO ABORTIONS!

Those considering a stealing escapade would hopefully think twice (since BOTH hands would be cut off).

jlisenbe
Dec 24, 2020, 12:25 PM
REVERSIBLE vasectomies. It would be a minimun of pain and wouldn't change anything except that they couldn't get a female pregnant. Thus, NO ABORTIONS!

Those considering a stealing escapade would hopefully think twice (since BOTH hands would be cut off).Welcome to the Moslem, communist states of America.

Wondergirl
Dec 24, 2020, 12:32 PM
Welcome to the Moslem, communist states of America.
If it works....

(Muslim, not Moslem)

(Communist???)

jlisenbe
Dec 24, 2020, 02:13 PM
If it works....I can only assume you are either joking or have lost your ever-loving mind. OR that you actually are a communist, and I honestly can't say I rule that out. After all, the distance between liberal dem and commie is not that great.

"Moslem is an alternative spelling of Muslim. The words have the same meanings in all contexts, and both spellings have been in use for several centuries."

https://writingexplained.org/moslem-vs-muslim-difference

I would say the word "communist" was used as an adjective and was not part of an official title, so it did not need to be capitalized.

Wondergirl
Dec 24, 2020, 02:40 PM
"Moslem is an alternative spelling of Muslim. The words have the same meanings in all contexts, and both spellings have been in use for several centuries.""Definition of Moslem

formerly common but now old-fashioned, increasingly rare, and sometimes offensive variant of MUSLIM (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/muslim)."
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Moslem


I would say the word "communist" was used as an adjective and was not part of an official title, so it did not need to be capitalized.
It was the beginning of a sentence that I decided not to finish.

Use apostrophes correctly and I'll watch what I capitalize.

paraclete
Dec 24, 2020, 02:48 PM
"Definition of Moslem

formerly common but now old-fashioned, increasingly rare, and sometimes offensive variant of MUSLIM (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/muslim)."
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Moslem


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It seems everything can be made to be offensive when you seek to be perfect in speech or politically correct

what do you make of musleman

jlisenbe
Dec 24, 2020, 02:48 PM
"Definition of Moslem

formerly common but now old-fashioned, increasingly rare, and sometimes offensive variant of MUSLIM (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/muslim)."
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/MoslemThen it's a tie.


Use apostrophes correctly and I'll watch what I capitalize.There were no apostrophes in my sentence and none were needed, so I don't know what you are referring to.

tomder55
Dec 24, 2020, 02:58 PM
Raven 23 & President Trump: The Team Deserves Pardons | National Review (https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/05/pardon-the-men-of-raven-23/)

Wondergirl
Dec 24, 2020, 03:27 PM
There were no apostrophes in my sentence and none were needed, so I don't know what you are referring to.
It was an earlier comment I made about your apostrophizing a plural, but you walked right over my comment.

jlisenbe
Dec 24, 2020, 03:29 PM
Mean ole me. I didn't realize you meant that comment about my apostrophe to be taken literally. 8D

Wondergirl
Dec 24, 2020, 03:42 PM
Mean ole me. I didn't realize you meant that comment about my apostrophe to be taken literally. 8D
Are you a Grinch???

jlisenbe
Dec 24, 2020, 04:44 PM
Literally or figuratively?

paraclete
Dec 24, 2020, 04:52 PM
literally of course, what else could you be

jlisenbe
Dec 24, 2020, 05:22 PM
What else? Figurative, of course.

talaniman
Dec 26, 2020, 06:24 PM
This is the complete list of dufus pardons...

The complete list of Donald Trump’s pardons and commutations (yahoo.com) (https://news.yahoo.com/the-complete-list-of-donald-trumps-pardons-and-commutations-183713910.html)

...so far!

People kneel to protest atrocities and bad acts by bad people who aren't held to account.

paraclete
Dec 26, 2020, 06:26 PM
yes a silent protest far better to stand up and shout

Wondergirl
Dec 26, 2020, 06:45 PM
yes a silent protest far better to stand up and shout
Then you'll get shot.

paraclete
Dec 26, 2020, 09:13 PM
You are forever in danger of being shot

jlisenbe
Dec 27, 2020, 06:38 AM
You are forever in danger of being shotObeying the law minimizes that risk enormously.

Wondergirl
Dec 27, 2020, 10:17 AM
Obeying the law minimizes that risk enormously.
Not protesting is obeying the law?

jlisenbe
Dec 27, 2020, 12:14 PM
Not protesting is obeying the law?Seriously?

Wondergirl
Dec 27, 2020, 12:48 PM
Seriously?
I have to always agree and keep my mouth shut?

And as for protests --
There once was a tea party in a port
Not too far from a big fort.
The tea was dumped into the sea
Oh my, oh my, oh me!
Afterwards, there were a lot of details to sort.

jlisenbe
Dec 27, 2020, 06:48 PM
No one has said you are always to agree and keep your mouth shut.

Wondergirl
Dec 27, 2020, 07:13 PM
No one has said you are always to agree and keep your mouth shut.
Thus, I can protest publicly.

paraclete
Dec 27, 2020, 10:35 PM
No one has said you are always to agree and keep your mouth shut.

How very liberal of you, and if your constitution didn't say that, what would you say?

jlisenbe
Dec 28, 2020, 05:11 AM
I don't even know why we are talking about it or why she brought it up. It's a non-issue and a given in America, and no one has suggested otherwise. I'm all for freedom of speech.

paraclete
Dec 28, 2020, 05:52 AM
Yes I notice you exercise it frequently

jlisenbe
Dec 28, 2020, 06:20 AM
Yes I notice you exercise it frequentlyAs do you, Mr. Pot.

Wondergirl
Dec 28, 2020, 09:39 AM
I don't even know why we are talking about it or why she brought it up. It's a non-issue and a given in America, and no one has suggested otherwise. I'm all for freedom of speech.
The thread is about kneeling in silent protest.

So, you're all for freedom of speech but not for kneeling in silent protest. Got it!

jlisenbe
Dec 28, 2020, 09:59 AM
I don't care if people kneel in silent protest. Fine with me. Now I do have a freedom as well, and that is to not watch the sports where pampered millionaires want to kneel as though someone is depriving them of something. So it's a freedom that goes both ways. In the same way, people have freedom of speech and more power to them, but they don't have the power to force others to listen. Got it???

For me, if you want to do something useful, then try and work in low income communities where your chances of being killed, not by a cop, and certainly not by a security contractor, but by a member of your own community is really, really high. The disgracing of the flag accomplishes nothing other than allowing that person to preen proudly and pretend he has done something really meaningful. It's on the same level as demolishing statues. Looks impressive, but doesn't improve anyone's quality of life by one cent.

Wondergirl
Dec 28, 2020, 10:04 AM
Now I do have a freedom as well, and that is to not watch the sports where pampered millionaires want to kneel as though someone is depriving them of something. don't care if people kneel in silent protest. Fine with me
Kneeling in protest is very similar to intercessory prayer, remembering in your prayer, or, in this case, your kneeling, others who are in pain and who are suffering.

jlisenbe
Dec 28, 2020, 10:09 AM
Kneeling in protest is very similar to intercessory prayer, remembering in your prayer, or, in this case, your kneeling, others who are in pain and who are suffering.Perhaps that is true except, of course, that praying actually accomplishes something while kneeling does not. Do they kneel for the six thousand black Americans killed every year by other black Americans? Are those the ones in pain and suffering that they kneel for, or is it just really a political stunt?

Wondergirl
Dec 28, 2020, 11:01 AM
Perhaps that is true except, of course, that praying actually accomplishes something while kneeling does not. Do they kneel for the six thousand black Americans killed every year by other black Americans? Are those the ones in pain and suffering that they kneel for, or is it just really a political stunt?
Since helmets are removed and heads are bowed while kneeling, I'm confident prayers are being whispered. And yes, they kneel for Blacks hurt and killed unjustly -- and pray for an end to it. Nope, it isn't a political stunt.

jlisenbe
Dec 28, 2020, 11:13 AM
Since helmets are removed and heads are bowed while kneeling, I'm confident prayers are being whispered. And yes, they kneel for Blacks hurt and killed unjustly -- and pray for an end to it.You have no idea if anyone is praying, but even if they are, they can pray at any time. It is not necessary to disrespect the flag to do that. And no, they are not kneeling for all black Americans. This has only been a protest over police killings. You can be certain they are not protesting the three hundred thousand black babies killed in abortion every year. It's just a political stunt.

I'm not trying to suggest that many of the players don't have sincere feelings about the issues. I don't doubt that, but from the point of view of those who organized this, it is just political. It basically accomplished nothing other than, in all likelihood, helping Harris/Biden get in office.

Wondergirl
Dec 28, 2020, 11:38 AM
You have no idea if anyone is praying, but even if they are, they can pray at any time.
What better time and place to pray!

It is not necessary to disrespect the flag to do that.
There's no disrespect. If anything, it's just the opposite!

And no, they are not kneeling for all black Americans.
You know that how?

I'm not trying to suggest that many of the players don't have sincere feelings about the issues.
In this post, you've made a huge effort to say it's all show. And it has nothing to do with Biden. It started on August 26, 2016.

jlisenbe
Dec 28, 2020, 11:59 AM
You know that how?By their public statements. They are hand in glove with BLM. Remember that Google is your friend.

"National Football League commissioner Roger Goodell (https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/roger-goodell) issued a 1 minute and 21 second apology on 5 June, following several years of debate within the NFL as well as among fans, Donald Trump (https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/DonaldTrump) and countless pundits who criticised Colin Kaepernick (https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/colin-kaepernick) and other players' silent protests against police brutality."

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/taking-knee-national-anthem-nfl-trump-why-meaning-origins-racism-us-colin-kaepernick-a8521741.html



In this post, you've made a huge effort to say it's all show. And it has nothing to do with Biden. It started on August 26, 2016.


I have not said it was all show. I said it was largely a political stunt. "I'm not trying to suggest that many of the players don't have sincere feelings about the issues. I don't doubt that."

As to Biden, you might be right. I didn't say it was their intent, but that it could have been a by-product.

talaniman
Dec 28, 2020, 07:58 PM
Be it protesting by taking a knee or marching in the streets and voting, it's a protected right. Of course anyone has a right to disagree, for whatever reason. No EVIDENCE needed.

paraclete
Dec 28, 2020, 09:19 PM
yes there is plenty of evidence of that here