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Next to the massive negligent homicide caused by Trump's response to coronavirus, the criminal mistreatment of immigrant children is his administration's worst offense.

Caged, terrorized, deprived of medical treatment and adequate sanitation, even food, the innocents who crossed the border fell into a nightmare created by the White House. Some will never awake from that nightmare because they died, but others – at least 545 at last count – have been left effectively orphaned because their parents cannot be found.


That is what the "family separation" perpetrated by Trump and his law enforcement apparatus has meant. It is a gross offense to human rights, American traditions, and the reputation of the United States among the world's nations.

what Trump sees as his accomplishments is withdrawing america from certain wars, withdrawing america from agreements that don't advantage them, reducing taxation in various forms, protecting american borders, projecting american power and balancing the supreme court. What he has failed to accomplish is protecting americans from themselves, protecting aliens and protecting his own image

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To have your heart broken, click on the above link.

Miles Taylor, former Chief of Staff at DHS and author of "Anonymous" op-ed in the Washington Post, yesterday publicly declared his authorship and confirmed the horrendous details noted below about the treatment of children by the Trump Administration. Trump has already flown into a typical rage and demanded that Taylor "be prosecuted".


Next to the massive negligent homicide caused by Trump's response to coronavirus, the criminal mistreatment of immigrant children is his administration's worst offense.

Caged, terrorized, deprived of medical treatment and adequate sanitation, even food, the innocents who crossed the border fell into a nightmare created by the White House. Some will never awake from that nightmare because they died, but others – at least 545 at last count – have been left effectively orphaned because their parents cannot be found.

That is what the "family separation" perpetrated by Trump and his law enforcement apparatus has meant. It is a gross offense to human rights, American traditions, and the reputation of the United States among the world's nations.

Biden has promised to assign a task force to reunite the children with their parents. He will do this "on day one".

While the small government trickle down crowd slobs all over the dufus he was a cruel self enriching bully thug before he became prez, and that hasn't changed not one bit, nor have his lies about everything either. Do your own math as despite the good news economic numbers just released, temper them with the wave of sickness and death sweeping the country. Evidence of the profits over people approach to this pandemic felt everywhere. We lead in sickness and death and money doesn't change that.

Is he still demanding those that attend his super spreader re-election rallies to sign a release of liability contract in case they get sick?

Is he still demanding those that attend his super spreader re-election rallies to sign a release of liability contract in case they get sick?
And how many are paid to attend?

Is this indicative of the way the dufus does business?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-rally-omaha-nebraska-attendees-stranded-cold-hospitalized/

Miles Taylor, former Chief of Staff at DHS and author of "Anonymous" op-ed in the Washington Post, yesterday publicly declared his authorship and confirmed the horrendous details noted below about the treatment of children by the Trump Administration. Trump has already flown into a typical rage and demanded that Taylor "be prosecuted".
and here we were lead to believe it was someone important .

and here we were lead to believe it was someone important .

What's that got to do with cruel treatment of children by Trump's administration?

You tell me why did you introduce a non sequitur ?

as Trump likes to remind everyone ;it was the emperor and Quid who built the cages .

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as Trump likes to remind everyone ;it was the emperor and Quid who built the cages .

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Under Obama, unaccompanied migrant children were held for only 72 hours before releasing them to the Department of Health and Human Services for further placement.

Jeh Johnson, Barack Obama's Homeland Security secretary: "You can't just dump 7-year-old kids on the streets of McAllen or El Paso. And so, these facilities were erected ... they put those chain-link partitions up so you could segregate young women from young men, kids from adults, until they were either released or transferred to HHS. Was it ideal? Of course not."
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/08/26/fact-check-obama-administration-built-migrant-cages-meme-true/3413683001/

so the emperor put kids in cages to protect them ok

As part of a humane process Tom, for unaccompanied minors which the dufus used to abuse, torture and terrorize ALL immigrants with and surely we can see the difference.

so the emperor put kids in cages to protect them ok
What would you do with them?

As always it just all comes down to who did it. If Obama did it, then all is wonderful. If Trump did it, then it's the homicidal tendencies of a raging lunatic.

Speaking of Trump's accmplishments, no one mentioned an economy which was setting records until it was affected, as was the entire world, by the Covid problem, but which is even now recovering remarkably and much faster than predicted by virtually anyone.


Do your own math as despite the good news economic numbers just released, temper them with the wave of sickness and death sweeping the country. Evidence of the profits over people approach to this pandemic felt everywhere. We lead in sickness and death and money doesn't change that.I have no idea what you wanted Trump to do. Look at the states and nations which instituted strict lockdown protocols. They are experiencing spikes in infections even now. So other than endlessly complaining, what do you suggest? Should we have completely wrecked the economy? Would that have made the whining/complaining crowd happy?

As for the complaints about lying, considering that you are prepared to vote for the Harris/Biden ticket, I have no idea how you can even voice a whisper of a complaint about anyone lying.

As always it just all comes down to who did it. If Obama did it, then all is wonderful. If Trump did it, then it's the homicidal tendencies of a raging lunatic.

You didn't answer WG's question, maybe you have no answers, but it's more than a matter of who did what, it's what and how they did it. A fact that seems to escape you as there is no comparison to what Obama did with the cages he built that held immigrants for 72 hours as part of a humane process as opposed to separating families and holding them for months. Some are still being held with virtually NO process and they are still trying to reunite families often parents deported without their kids. To date the government has not assisted private entities in this endeavor. Now you can deny and ignore those crucial differences in approach and application all you want it doesn't change those facts.


Speaking of Trump's accomplishments, no one mentioned an economy which was setting records until it was affected, as was the entire world, by the Covid problem, but which is even now recovering remarkably and much faster than predicted by virtually anyone.

I never blamed the virus on the dufus, but I hold him responsible for what he did about it, and what he is doing now. That's fair and even give him credit for improving on a disastrous 2rd quarter. How's that? You think that remarkable recovery can sustain itself through this current spike? We'll see won't we. Better hold off on that victory lap, and get the checkbook back out.


I have no idea what you wanted Trump to do. Look at the states and nations which instituted strict lockdown protocols. They are experiencing spikes in infections even now. So other than endlessly complaining, what do you suggest? Should we have completely wrecked the economy? Would that have made the whining/complaining crowd happy?

A better push for safety compliance may have helped if done earlier, since obviously the new spreads are tied with human activity aided by a lack of safety compliance. Too much economic concern, too fast, so we crash and burn or bring back those restrictions. Stop lying that we have this thing under control and it's no big deal would be a welcome change too.


As for the complaints about lying, considering that you are prepared to vote for the Harris/Biden ticket, I have no idea how you can even voice a whisper of a complaint about anyone lying.

I voted against the one that lies the most already. Dufus hands down winner so Biden/Harris was my choice. You probably have no idea about many things

Can you honestly say you're proud of having the highest level of sickness and death in the whole frigging world because of this virus?

A better push for safety compliance may have helped if done earlier, since obviously the new spreads are tied with human activity aided by a lack of safety compliance. Too much economic concern, too fast, so we crash and burn or bring back those restrictions. Stop lying that we have this thing under control and it's no big deal would be a welcome change too.I don't think anyone is suggesting we have this under control. It's a balancing act. It we blow up this economy, it will cause more suffering and loss than we can imagine. All in all, I think Trump did fairly well, and certainly better than the dem govs did.

As to the cages, Biden initially lied about it, but then later had to admit that Obama had started and perpetuated the practice. My understanding is that the 72 hour "rule" is still in effect so that kids are generally held in detention facilities for no more than several days. I would imagine that finding other long-term residential settings would be a real challenge. The 500 kids not reconnected with parents is because their parents either cannot be located or are in jail. What would you do with them? Set them loose on the nearest highway?

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2020/02/15/biden-finally-admits-he-and-obama-put-kids-in-cages-but-only-to-keep-them-safe-n381547

I'll ask you again. What do you think Trump could have done differently? What do you think the many dem govs should have done differently?

Careful who you call a liar as obviously I was referencing the public statements made by the dufus, and won't touch the dufus lie about they are in jail, since we know they were deported without their kids, and many more with kids were dumped at bus stations. However before you aske questions how about answering a few that you have been asked by both WG, and myself...

What would you do with them?

Can you honestly say you're proud of having the highest level of sickness and death in the whole frigging world because of this virus?

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My apologies for the liar comment. You will note that I changed it once I realized what you were saying. But at what time even approaching recently has Trump suggested we have this under control? He has talked a lot about our undeniable success with testing and the coming vaccine, but I don't think he has said it is "under control". You have a quote for that?


What would you do with them?

Can you honestly say you're proud of having the highest level of sickness and death in the whole frigging world because of this virus?
I think I would do what Obama did and what, to my best knowledge, is being done with them now. Ideally, I would have the dem Congress get on board with building a wall and thus ending the illegal immigration that is the real cause of this hardship.

I already answered your second question. As I said then, and you didn't bother to read, it's a balancing act. It we blow up this economy, it will cause more suffering and loss than we can imagine. All in all, I think Trump did fairly well, and certainly better than the dem govs did, though I don't know that I have any great criticism of them either other than Cuomo from NY. No one wants to wear the masks. We were in your home state recently and was told at the hotel in Austin that wearing masks in the hotel was mandatory. NO ONE WAS WEARING MASKS other than the hotel personnel. Other than arresting "mask violators", I don't know what I would suggest. Do you think we should just arrest people by the tens of thousands? What do you suggest? Continuing to spend money we don't have simply to buy votes is not the answer.

But at what time even approaching recently has Trump suggested we have this under control?He has talked a lot about our undeniable success with testing and the coming vaccine, but I don't think he has said it is "under control". You have a quote for that?
Which quote (of many) do you want? Here's one:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ee0T3e0JI6A
and
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3aj0l0igSmM
and
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a5IqkYXcHIA

Which quote (of many) do you want? Here's one:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ee0T3e0JI6AJan. 31. Not close to being recent.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3aj0l0igSmMThis did indeed have a quote from Trump that it was under control, but rather sadly the interview was cut off after that so we don't have his explanation for the remark.



https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a5IqkYXcHIAFebruary. Not close to being recent.

In the meantime, when given a chance to question JB about Hunter's emails, CBS's Nora Odonnell unbelievably asked this question on October 27th. “Do you believe the recent leak of material allegedly from Hunter’s computer is part of a Russian disinformation campaign?" That would have been about as stupid as asking Trump if the Covid virus was a part of the disinformation campaign by the Obama admin against him. The point is that Trump has to answer real questions from a hostile press. JB merely gets the kind of sickening "softball" questions such as what you saw above. The HB emails demonstrate that JB lied about his involvement in his son's foreign involvement, but don't expect to ever hear any real questions about it.

Jan. 31. Not close to being recent.

This did indeed have a quote from Trump that it was under control, but rather sadly the interview was cut off after that so we don't have his explanation for the remark.


February. Not close to being recent.

Google is your friend. There are lots more....

Which quote (of many) do you want? Here's one:

Excellent quotes - nothing like getting the truth straight from the horse's mouth. Like father like son, here's what the idiot son said today :

“People are truly morons. The reality is this — I put it up on my Instagram a couple days ago, because I went through the CDC data, because I kept hearing about new cases, but I was like why aren’t they talking about deaths? Oh, oh: because the number is almost nothing.”

This was said on the same day that about 1,000 Americans died of COVID-19.

Some father! Some son! What a pair of morons!

Google is your friend. There are lots more....You make the claim. You do the research.

As to Trump Jr.'s quote, if you are asking me to not vote for him, then I won't vote for him. But to be fair, the chart from the CDC he was referencing did indeed show plunging numbers for deaths. Evidently the numbers were not intended to be a final count, but it was still dumb of him not to have known better. You know, kind of like it was dumb of JB to contend that the cages for immigrant children were not built or used during the Obama admin. Kind of like that.

Unsurprisingly, there was no response to my post about HB's emails. I guess you guys use up all of your vitriol on Trump.

You make the claim. You do the research.
I did. You spit on it.

I did. You spit on it.I "spit" on it? Well, I did point out that two of the three were not recent, and I had specifically asked for recent comments, so it seems to me you did it carelessly.

Because you did it carelessly.
Did not. Plus, I said if you google, you'll find more, even recent ones. Do you know about googling with good keywords? (Yes, it's different from gargling.)

even recent ones. Do you know about googling with good keywords?So you admit you neglected to look for only recent ones, and then ask if I know how to google with keywords??? Might want to ask yourself that question.

How many Trump supporters does it take to change a lightbulb? None, because he says it's fixed, so they all sit in the dark and wildly applaud him.

Trump's "under control" comments started early this year, and he still believes and says that or words to that effect.

How many Trump supporters does it take to change a lightbulb? None, because he says it's fixed, so they all sit in the dark and wildly applaud him.

Yuk, yuk! Funny. And true to the point.

How many Trump supporters does it take to change a lightbulb? None, because he says it's fixed, so they all sit in the dark and wildly applaud him.

Trump's "under control" comments started early this year, and he still believes and says that or words to that effect.You guys are so predictable. When have no data, which is frequent, you get frustrated and resort to insults. And still no reply to JB's lying comments about Obama's cages.

you get frustrated and resort to insults.
We're trying to emulate (*cough* mimic) you.

And still no reply to JB's lying comments about Obama's cages.
Asked and answered.

We're trying to emulate (*cough* mimic) you.

And always the same, tiresome excuse.



Asked and answered."Asked", yes. https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/showthread.php?t=847801&p=3860064#post3860064

"Answered" no. Where?

When you have no data, which is frequent, you get frustrated and resort to insults.

Pot - meet kettle.

Pot - meet kettle.Show me where I've had no data. Bet ya can't. And please don't back with the worn-out, "Oh, you do it all the time," reply. Show me where I've had no data.

BTW, I thought you were ignoring me.

BTW, I thought you were ignoring me.

As I said, most of the time.

I follow WG and Tal and Tom and 'clete where I pick up things that refer to you. This one was too good to pass up.

don't you just love circular arguments, seems that legendary bird has been seen again

"Answered" no. Where?
Post #10

So you answered a question from post 16 in post 10? And you did it by quoting someone else? Hmm.


Show me where I've had no data. Bet ya can't.Like I figured, Athos.

So you answered a question from post 16 in post 10? And you did it by quoting someone else? Hmm.
I had responded to tomder's question, which was much like yours. Trump DID NOT hold the kids for only 72 hours like Obama did. Many (over 500) are still in these cages "watching tv and eating snacks" according to Trump.

This is a side issue, the treatment of any border crosser, young or not is a deterrent

I had responded to tomder's question, which was much like yours. Trump DID NOT hold the kids for only 72 hours like Obama did. Many (over 500) are still in these cages "watching tv and eating snacks" according to Trump.Are you sure those 500 are still in cages? As for the 72 hours, most of the kids are out by that time. Not sure why some remain, but I would imagine it has to do with the large numbers. I'm sure you will join me in calling for a wall which would solve the problem.

join me in calling for a wall which would solve the problem.
A wall will NOT solve the problem! Any wall can be breeched, plus the humanitarian aspect needs to be addressed.

A wall will largely solve the problem. As for the humanitarian problem, you won't be happy one way or the other unless, of course, it is Biden putting kids into the cages. Then you three will be perfectly content once again, and not a peep will be heard.

A wall will largely solve the problem. As for the humanitarian problem, you won't be happy one way or the other unless, of course, it is Biden putting kids into the cages. Then you three will be perfectly content once again, and not a peep will be heard.
Short sections of walls have been built and have failed or been breeched or tunneled under. We don't need a wall. And Biden won't build one nor will he put kids into cages indefinitely. And he'll make sure parents and their children are properly IDed for being reunited.

Don't let perfect be the enemy of good . Completing the wall is absolutely necessary even if on occasion someone figures out how to get in under around or over it .

Biden will simply open the border and allow unfettered access. He'll use more of our non-existent money to pay for med care for them. We'll continue down the road to ruin, prompted on by the people who are so noble and caring that they are willing either to force other people to take care of them, or just used borrowed money to do it, never stopping for one second to think about what kind of world that is creating for our children and grandchildren.

"Show me where I've had no data. Bet ya can't." Still waiting, Athos.

Don't let perfect be the enemy of good . Completing the wall is absolutely necessary even if on occasion someone figures out how to get in under around or over it .

On occasion? How about regularly depending on the weather. Certainly doesn't stop the flow of drugs.

Biden will simply open the border and allow unfettered access. He'll use more of our non-existent money to pay for med care for them. We'll continue down the road to ruin, prompted on by the people who are so noble and caring that they are willing either to force other people to take care of them, or just used borrowed money to do it, never stopping for one second to think about what kind of world that is creating for our children and grandchildren.

"Show me where I've had no data. Bet ya can't." Still waiting, Athos.

Nice dufus right wing loony commercial, but little truth since Obama /Biden deported a bunch of illegals. You worry about a better world in the future and ignore the screwed up world now?

LOL, show some data and maybe we won't say you don't have any which may be hard since you rather holler evidence from others and attack it.

How about regularly depending on the weather .

will see when the wall is complete . Right now the completed section in San Diego reduced the number of agents needed to patrol by 150 every 24 hrs . That alone is a $28 million return on investment . In the Yuma section Illegal entries in areas with new border wall system plummeted over 87% in 2020 compared to 2019 .And since the wall was begun in urban areas where it is easier for illegals to melt in ;it forced them to attempt entry in more remote areas where it is easier to locate them with drone technology . They are also compelled to cross in harder areas like deserts and mountains . The El Paso Sector has experienced a significant reduction in drug and smuggling activities in areas where the new border wall system was built.

With the wall here's a thought.
Let them in, give them a green card and tax their collectives in perpetuity just like any resident.


Some wall info from BBC: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46824649

Nice dufus right wing loony commercial, but little truth since Obama /Biden deported a bunch of illegals. You worry about a better world in the future and ignore the screwed up world now?No wall and no will to stop illegal immigration = wide open border.


LOL, show some data and maybe we won't say you don't have any which may be hard since you rather holler evidence from others and attack it.Just like I said you would do. Thank you for being totally predictable. I figured one of you would, and you win the prize! "And please don't come back with the worn-out, 'Oh, you do it all the time,' reply. Show me where I've had no data."


Let them in, give them a green card and tax their collectives in perpetuity just like any resident.Isn't that what is being done with LEGAL immigrants now?

Completing the wall is absolutely necessary even if on occasion someone figures out how to get in under around or over it .

Total nonsense! The wall is nothing more than an idiotic idea floated by Trump as a campaign tactic to rise the racism of his followers.

Remember T's promise that the "Mexicans will pay for the wall"? When the world stopped laughing, and Trump failed miserably at THAT promise, he stopped mentioning that part and just went on to bloviate about the racism he so naturally is comfortable with.

Diverting monies allocated for military purposes (housing, etc.) to build his wall is a perfect example of his "love" for the military.

Total nonsense! The wall is nothing more than an idiotic idea floated by Trump as a campaign tactic to rise the racism of his followers.

Remember T's promise that the "Mexicans will pay for the wall"? When the world stopped laughing, and Trump failed miserably at THAT promise, he stopped mentioning that part and just went on to bloviate about the racism he so naturally is comfortable with.

Diverting monies allocated for military purposes (housing, etc.) to build his wall is a perfect example of his "love" for the military.

The wall is an idea that existed before Trump. yes the idea that the Mexicans would pay for it was idiotic but no doubt they have been made to pay in various ways. Diverting monies that would have paid for military housing is common sense since the market could have provided such housing and the tax payer should not have to pay for it. Reducing the size of the military is a sign of love since less individuals will be put in harms way so your view of the world is very one eyed

Diverting monies that would have paid for military housing is common sense since the market could have provided such housing and the tax payer should not have to pay for it.

In this country, diverting money allocated by Congress for one purpose to another purpose not allocated by Congress is unconstitutional. The market does NOT provide for the military, the Congress does.


Reducing the size of the military is a sign of love since less individuals will be put in harms way so your view of the world is very one eyed

Hogwash! The military has been a vital part of the US since 1775.

Reducing the size of the military is a sign of loveI wouldn't call it a sign of love, but it would sure be a sign of common sense.

I wouldn't call it a sign of love, but it would sure be a sign of common sense.
How quickly will you be able to learn Russian?

scaremongering! The Russian have no interest in invading the US, they have enough to do to look after their own people. Now the Chinese might be a threat or they may be a paper tiger but more likely mandarin than russian

scaremongering! The Russian have no interest in invading the US, they have enough to do to look after their own people. Now the Chinese might be a threat or they may be a paper tiger but more likely mandarin than russianYes and yes. It's total foolishness to even think about Russia as a major military threat.

In news from the mecca of centralized planning and operations known as "Europe", the Covid spike has become very serious. Several nations have announced "lockdowns" in order to try and stem the spread of the virus. According to the New York Times, "The British prime minister announced expansive new restrictions (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/31/world/great-britain-coronavirus-lockdown.html) on Saturday that effectively establish a national lockdown, and Greece and Austria increased coronavirus measures, joining France, Germany, Belgium and Ireland in shutting down large parts of their societies to try to keep their hospitals from being overwhelmed amid vast second-wave surges in coronavirus infections."

Well, we have been told on this site that Trump's avoidance of centralized planning and control is a major failure of his. Perhaps the Europeans would not agree with that assessment?

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/10/31/world/covid-19-coronavirus

I'll be in church this morning so it's all good. My sermon concerns changing your own personal culture through the power of Jesus. You are all welcome to come!

how's that working for you?

How's what working for me? Jesus? He's working very well for me.

doesn't seem to have changed you

Strange. I'd say the same about you. Hopefully we are both wrong.

I have not been preaching change

Pity.

This from a Math teacher at an Ivy League school who is an immigrant ;escaped
from a former communist dictatorship . He says ...... 'Though a registered independent, I find myself almost always opposed to the Democratic candidate. I am opposed to many of the things Democrats push for: big-government programs, heavy regulations, higher taxes, weak foreign policy with an over-reliance on ineffective and often corrupt international institutions and, worst of all, raw identity politics.'



Trump may be a highly flawed human being, but unlike many other politicians, he is at least readily transparent. Trump's awfulness is "in your face," while the awfulness of a typical politician is hidden behind a carefully crafted façade and a veil of "credible deniability."



https://www.newsweek.com/why-i-will-vote-trump-opinion-1543803

But in the end, the election is a choice between two radically different visions of the future. Despite all his braggadocio and boorish behavior, Trump's policies have been quite conventional Republican ones, albeit with a significant veer toward protectionism more recently typical of pro-labor Democrats. There is also an obvious return to nationalism. But nationalism, as long as it relies on democratic institutions and a healthy civil society, is not all bad. As long as a benign, positive nationalism puts citizenship, and no other restricted form of identity, at its core, it can actually help heal the awful divisions in the country (https://thefederalist.com/2020/08/18/why-teaching-americans-to-love-their-country-is-a-powerful-antidote-to-racism/).

The dufus just ain't the one to heal the awful divisions in the country. He exploits them for his own gain, aided and abetted by sycophants and brown nosers who gave up on the idea of negotiation and compromise, and repeat his hollering and perpetration of the ISM's. That's hardly a reliance on democratic institutions, or a HEALTHY civil society.

Time for the people to make a choice alright.

Rally for Trump in Nigeria

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPBPUXI5Dd4

Bikers in Jerusalem rally for Trump

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NM-gTc70D10&feature=youtu.be

Rally for Trump in Nigeria

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPBPUXI5Dd4

Bikers in Jerusalem rally for Trump

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NM-gTc70D10&feature=youtu.be


With any luck, Trump will leave the USA permanently to served his constituents in Nigeria and Jerusalem. Hasta La Vista, MF.

Hasta La Vista, MF.Yep. No hatred on this board.

It's not really hatred, it's total bewilderment that mostly intelligent good god fearing people could follow a lying cheating dufus bully. You can't blame anyone for not getting that attraction.

The vote count continues as the dufus says it shouldn't.

He should shut up As of now he is leading . No one is 'following ' anyone . He is President and all that matters to me is performance .

That's part of the stress Tom, the dufus overperforms with his big mouth. You just can't relax around this unpredictable dude. He can't relax and shut up, when everybody is afraid and worried about the bills, sickness, and death.

Did you note that all the states with Republican governors got their votes counted? The states that can't seem to get them counted and want days to do it all have Democrat governors. Coincidence?

Dem governors with repub state legislatures? That's very notable.

sorry PA extended count was by ex order by Governor Wolf . If it was by the legislature would be no reason to challenge. As I already pointed out . SCOTUS should've heard the Republican challenge BEFORE the election. Now the Presidency is going to be decided by who has the better lawyers

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/why-pennsylvania-wont-finish-counting-232406582.html

Looks like the counties have decided how they will proceed, but we'll see what happens.

Arizona still in play . Rural votes being counted and Trump is closing .

Military ballots?

no they claimed 98% counted . In fact there was still 14% more to count ,mostly from rural areas . That being said . IF he does lose it then a hat tip goes to Cindy McCain and it will serve the President right

Arizona still in play . Rural votes being counted and Trump is closing .

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-campaign-was-livid-when-fox-news-called-arizona-for-biden-and-tensions-boiled-over-on-air/ar-BB1aGChC?ocid=msedgntp

also there is allegations thatin some Trump supporting districts Sharpies were distributed to voters to fill out the ballots Those ballots were later invalidated . I can't confirm the validity of that charge . Supposedly Arizona officials are saying that the use of Sharpies should not invalidate ballots . But maybe ballot counters are doing so.

Anyway ;with over 500,000 votes to count ;the news organizations were premature in calling Arizona as early as they did .

Looks like the court stuff has started already.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-postal-service-blows-court-ordered-deadline-to-check-for-missing-ballots-about-300-000-can-t-be-traced/ar-BB1aFo6N?ocid=msedgntp

Doesn't beat fantasy sports but will do until the weekend.

I believe I commented a while ago that we were looking at Florida 2000 on steroids

Now that the lawyers are in play ,Trump should shut up and let the lawyers handle it . The more he talks the more he jeopardizes his cause

also there is allegations thatin some Trump supporting districts Sharpies were distributed to voters to fill out the ballots Those ballots were later invalidated . I can't confirm the validity of that charge . Supposedly Arizona officials are saying that the use of Sharpies should not invalidate ballots . But maybe ballot counters are doing so.
Sharpies bleed through the paper and invalidate the ballot according to my county's board of election commissioners.

yes I made sure I has my own pen . I don't know the details . Too many moving parts to follow today . Suffice it to say that CNN took Arizona off of the Biden list for now . I know that Pennsylvania ,Wisconsin and probably Arizona are in the lawyer phase of the election.

Down ballot the Repubs did not lose a state legislature going into a redistricting year . They also retained the Senate which means no court packing and no shoving the Harris AOC agenda down our throats .

Guess dems may have to just settle for making the dufus a one term president, and saving Fauci's job. Oh well! At least we get rid of Barr and a bunch of incompetent sycophant critters.

The dufus better keep those lawyers though, he may well need them.

so tal what are you going to complain about now your pick is in power?

Down ballot the Repubs did not lose a state legislature going into a redistricting year

Speaking of down ballots, how is it that ballots with Biden votes are invalid, but those same ballots with Republican votes down ballot are valid?

If you backed out all the invalid votes for both Trump would have won

If you backed out all the invalid votes for both Trump would have won

Your evidence?

If you backed out all the invalid votes for both Trump would have won

Too many Cocoa Puffs for breakfast. That makes little sense and right out of the dufus sycophant talking points.

I eat a man's breakfast, bacon and egg, not a child's. It makes real sense when there is evidence of fraud

Sort of a joke Clete, being coo-coo for Cocoa Puffs. 8D! As to evidence of fraud just show it don't just say it. That's why every dufus lawsuit has been dismissed because of lack of evidence.

https://news.yahoo.com/trumps-longshot-election-lawsuits-where-164240573.html

Why are you spreading BS from a BS'er, Clete?

It makes real sense when there is evidence of fraud

Your evidence? (Second request for evidence).

Your evidence? (Second request for evidence).

100,000 votes all for Biden, doesn't stand up statistically, beyond the limits of probability

I watched as the returns were trickling in, but I don't remember a 100, 000 votes coming in for Biden at on time nor at no time did I see Biden get votes and the dufus didn't so please explain what you're talking about. I mean the vote total was Biden by 4 million and both he and the dufus broke the record for vote totals but Biden had more.

Right wing Dufus BS Clete.

100,000 votes all for Biden, doesn't stand up statistically, beyond the limits of probability

Of course it's not probable.That's precisely why it's false. A simple search on google will provide you with non-partisan websites debunking this rumor which originated with Trump supporters. I didn't think you were that dumb to fall for such nonsense - and even worse, to repeat it like Trump does.

I'm just mirroring what the media says, media says Trump bad to be believed, media says Biden benefits from voter fraud, not to be believed. You can have just so many options

Wrong media change your newsfeed. Problem solved.

Yes Sky not to be believed

I'm just mirroring what the media says,

You're mirroring the wrong media. Try the mainstream media - NYTimes, Wash Post, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC (this one is too much anti-Trump, but it's reporting is factual). NEVER rely on FOX or OAN, or MAXNEWS - or any others that range from far right to Kremlin supported. The right-leaning Wall Street Journal is ok.

I realize you're from another country, so this may help you to discern who's truthful and who's not. When in doubt, google "fact checkers" - most are reliable but some are not. It's easy to tell which is which.

I don't watch american mainstream media

The final arbiter of truth has just told you which American press is worthy of you to view . .

Might want to watch the ones that were honest enough to report on Hunter Biden's hard drive.

I don't watch american mainstream media

I see. So you watch the right-wing propaganda. That explains much of what you have been posting. You should try to get a balance by watching the mainstream media.

That's so funny. CNN is "mainstream media", but Fox is "right-wing propaganda". Thank goodness Athos is not biased.

Right wingers certainly prefer Fox. Maybe the lack of choices limits you, and it's understandable if mainstream media is biased against your views. I watch and read a number of news sources and easy to filter bias for facts and loony crazy talk.

Right wingers certainly prefer Fox. Maybe the lack of choices limits you, and it's understandable if mainstream media is biased against your views. I watch and read a number of news sources and easy to filter bias for facts and loony crazy talk.Most news services are biased. It's always been that way. My point was that Athos was plainly biased in his choice of terms.

I can't see how to call it anything but pro-Biden bias when news services absolutely refused to cover the HB hard drive story. It was, and is, a legit scandal which will undoubtedly be swept under the rug when his daddy goes into the WH.

I guess in the grand scheme of things many see Biden's son's issues as small potatoes compared to the 3 years of lies and crap from the dufus and the turn out and vote count bears that out.

Most news services are biased. It's always been that way. My point was that Athos was plainly biased in his choice of terms.

I can't see how to call it anything but pro-Biden bias when news services absolutely refused to cover the HB hard drive story. It was, and is, a legit scandal which will undoubtedly be swept under the rug when his daddy goes into the WH.
How did a laptop supposedly belonging to Hunter Biden end up in a Delaware computer repair shop, then go to Rudy Giuliani, then arrive at the New York Post? Smells stinky to me.

It did not "supposedly belong" to HB. That is beyond question. As to the rest, you don't know and I don't know. That should really bother us. That should be public knowledge by now.

It's as public as the dufus tax returns.

It did not "supposedly belong" to HB. That is beyond question. As to the rest, you don't know and I don't know. That should really bother us. That should be public knowledge by now.
In this day and age of wondrous ways to create emails and other internet stuff, there is no proof the hard drive belongs to HB. According to the New York Post, an unidentified individual dropped off a MacBook Pro at a Delaware computer repair shop (owned by a Trump supporter) in April 2019 and never came back for it. The shop’s owner noticed a Beau Biden Foundation sticker on the device and decided to look through the hard drive.

The owner has been repeatedly changing his story about what exactly occurred. He initially said that he wasn’t able to identify who dropped off the laptop because he is “legally blind.” He then said that the customer had identified himself as Hunter Biden. The shop does have two cameras, but the owner claims that the footage from that day was automatically deleted before he realized how important it was.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/10/hunter-biden-hard-drive-everything-we-know.html

It would be just real easy to resolve the whole thing. HB could give the FBI access to his email account and they could compare the two. For that matter, he could give the NY Post access to make the comparison. Someone could ask JB if the laptop belonged to HB. Has that question been asked? Or someone could ask HB if the laptop is his. There would be a lot of ways to resolve the problem, now wouldn't there?

This does not sound good for HB. "The FBI has seized Hunter Biden's laptop and confirmed the former vice president's son's controversial emails are 'authentic', while dispelling earlier claims that they are part of a Russia disinformation campaign."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/fbi-has-taken-possession-of-hunter-bidens-laptops/ar-BB1aezOJ

For that matter, he could give the NY Post access to make the comparison.
Eeeeewwwww! The NY Post???

Take your pick. But his daddy is going the be the pres, so I'm sure it will disappear. In fact, it pretty much already has. His last name is not "Trump", so I suppose that you don't care. Hopefully I'm wrong about that.

special prosecutors for Quid corruption ;to hand off what Durham has uncovered ;and possibly election irregularities . Dare Quid to fire them .

special prosecutors for Quid corruption ;to hand off what Durham has uncovered ;and possibly election irregularities . Dare Quid to fire them .There is that hope.

I seem to have gotten lost. What did the Biden's do that was illegal again?

peddling influence

RICO( Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations) ....influence peddling for profit to benefit his family and himself even though SCOTUS took a lot of the enforcement mechanism away in the McDonnell v US decision . They sent Manafort to jail for FARA violations . Are Hunter ,James and/or Quid registered as foreign agents ? They should have registered as foreign agents for their business arrangements with the Chinese government back energy company CEFC. The company was actively seeking to build influence in the United States when it partnered with them. Not only that ; Hunter knew he had to register and chose to try to find ways to avoid it . Hunter Biden's text messages about his business dealings with CEFC show that he was aware that he was supposed to register with the Justice Department under FARA. He also wrote to his business partner Tony Bobulinski on May 1 2017 “We don't want to have to register as foreign agents under the FCPA which is much more expansive [expensive] than people who should know choose not to know.”

The Biden family also violated the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act which is an anti-bribery provision . A federal government official cannot assist or intervene to influence a foreign official in their official capacity to take an act that is in violation of their domestic duties “in order to assist in obtaining or retaining business for or with, or directing business to, any person.” Using his official office, and using the threat of withholding official U.S. foreign aid to Ukraine,Quid influenced a foreign official to stop executing their official duties which consisted of investigating Hunter Biden and Burisma in order to benefit his son .

Seems that was an easy enough case to file by DOJ, yet it wasn't. Instead it was filed in the court of public opinion, and the judge (The PEEPS) dismissed the case. I guess the dufus's arms were too short to box with Biden, so he got taken behind the woodshed as promised. The dufus can try again in 2024.

Trump's DOJ is slightly better than the emperor's . But still they are swamp critters protecting their own . They do the investigations at a snail's pace with the intent of waiting him out . And they have succeeded . That is why I said there should be a special prosecutor assigned . Let Quid try firing the prosecutor . Maybe the Senate will impanel a commission or select committee with the power to subpoena, to investigate the allegations. They can't prosecute by themselves .But they can recommend charges . The goal is to not let Quid bury the investigation . Then perhaps in 2 years they will regain control of the House and Senate ...... payback is a beetch

That is why I said there should be a special prosecutor assignedYep. If Trump has any concern for the truth, and I think he does, he will do that.

https://scontent.fmem1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/30264790_1908381195902547_5116135540864843776_o.jp g?_nc_cat=108&ccb=2&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=82lFeoldwuQAX-tZPEk&_nc_ht=scontent.fmem1-2.fna&oh=af5813af6e3f9ba98764daaec2bfc78c&oe=5FD4C75E

The dufus has never had concern for the truth just smearing people and lying for his own benefit and maybe as he heads out the door he may well sling some mud, but in the grand scheme of things with the senate up in the air still and a bunch of more important stuff on the front burner, the small potato stuff and right wing wish list could be on hold for a while.

lying for his own benefitUnlike your twin-paragons of virtue, HC and JB?

Unlike your twin-paragons of virtue, HC and JB?
At least they don't slaughter innocent animals in trophy hunts.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PO99-QLuOkk

At least they don't slaughter innocent animals in trophy hunts.No. They simply support the slaughter of innocent, unborn children. I find it incredible that you, a confessing Christian, would be critical of Trump for trophy hunting, and yet be totally silent about your liberal dem heroes and abortion. It's just stunning.

No. They simply support the slaughter of innocent, unborn children.
But you, a Christian, don't care about innocent, born children they have slaughtered, do you. That's just stunning.

The article my Pentecostal sister sent me begins by saying, "Biden and Harris are strong supporters of Roe v. Wade.
Roe requires that abortion be permissible even at the end of pregnancy whenever a physician believes it necessary to protect a woman’s health."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-harris-and-abortions-late-in-pregnancy/ar-BB18CUlx

I told her I totally agree. God commanded "do not kill" and He also blessed us with intelligence. A woman and her doctor need to work this out. Having been pregnant twice, I can't believe abortion, at whatever stage of pregnancy, is ever a willy-nilly, flippant decision, "just because I want to, just because I feel like it."

But you, a Christian, don't care about innocent, born children they have slaughtered, do you. That's just stunning.It would be if it was even remotely close to being true. But I'll make a deal with you. I will join you in standing against the killing of innocent children anywhere if you will join me in opposing the killing of unborn children in abortion. Deal? (My prediction. You will either go silent again for a week, just ignore it, or flatly refuse.)



I told her I totally agree. God commanded "do not kill" and He also blessed us with intelligence. A woman and her doctor need to work this out. Having been pregnant twice, I can't believe abortion, at whatever stage of pregnancy, is ever a willy-nilly, flippant decision, "just because I want to, just because I feel like it."Oh? You've been pregnant twice, so you understand why the 900,000 abortions a year happen? You have to know that makes no sense. And a woman needs to work this out with a doctor at an abortion clinic who is making a quarter mil a year doing abortions? It's a ridiculous idea. I never cease to be amazed at the lengths you will go to in order to ease your conscience. And JB supports Roe? Of course he does. Where do you think abortion comes from???

Here are the reasons women list for having abortions according to the Alan Guttmacher Institute, which is associated with PP and hardly a conservative institution. You will note that your observation is incorrect.

https://www.hli.org/resources/why-women-abort/


https://www.hli.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/reasons-for-abortion.png

It would be if it was even remotely close to being true. But I'll make a deal with you. I will join you in standing against the killing of innocent children anywhere if you will join me in opposing the killing of unborn children in abortion.
Nope, no bananas. It isn't a yes/no issue.

Oh? You've been pregnant twice, so you understand why the 900,000 abortions a year happen?
How many times have YOU been pregnant?

Nope, no bananas. It isn't a yes/no issue.As I figured. Tragic.


How many times have YOU been pregnant?
I have self identified as a pregnant woman on a number of occasions. 8D

As I figured. Tragic.
Abortion has been with us since the beginning...and will be with us until the Last Day.

I have self identified as a pregnant woman on a number of occasions. 8D
Now I have questions....

Abortion has been with us since the beginning...and will be with us until the Last Day.So have murder, rape, robbery, violent assault, etc., so I guess we should just let all of those go by as well.

Wow. 900,000 human lives a year, and you are so casual about it.

Wow. 900,000 human lives a year, and you are so casual about it.
And then, there are 666 children at the southern border whose parents have been totally disconnected from them. The number is interesting....

And then, there are 666 children at the southern border whose parents have been totally disconnected from them. The number is interesting....
until there is one more, 666 refers to man putting themselves before God, and the evidence is all around us, yes, slaughter of the innocents is part of it, Eve was deceived in the garden and remains deceived when she thinks it is okay to take life for her own ends, but there are many more indications of the antichrist loose in the world and most are out of sight of the 5% who live in the USA

And man certainly has put himself before God, hasn't he! Jesus said love one another. How we fail at that, especially when the others are immigrants, people of color, the LGBTQIA community.

It took the wiles of Satan to deceive Eve and only a mere woman to deceive Adam.

And man certainly has put himself before God, hasn't he! Jesus said love one another. How we fail at that, especially when the others are immigrants, people of color, the LGBTQIA community.

It took the wiles of Satan to deceive Eve and only a mere woman to deceive Adam.

Nothing to be proud of, Satan knew he could not deceive Adam, but Eve wanted to be equal with God and still does. People no longer take the stranger into their homes and there was always discrimination. The Jews practiced discrimination against the whole human race on religious grounds and certainly didn't recognise the LGBTQIA "community" but man welcomes this abomination in all its manifestations. Even Jesus wasn't sent to the gentiles but had to raise disciples for that purpose.

Don't be confused by liberal theology

Nothing to be proud of, Satan knew he could not deceive Adam, but Eve wanted to be equal with God and still does. People no longer take the stranger into their homes and there was always discrimination. The Jews practiced discrimination against the whole human race on religious grounds and certainly didn't recognise the LGBTQIA "community" but man welcomes this abomination in all its manifestations. Even Jesus wasn't sent to the gentiles but had to raise disciples for that purpose.

Don't be confused by liberal theology
Um, 'clete, as I said, it was just a mere woman who deceived Adam. Satan was probably watching and laughing his head off.

When Jesus said love one another, He included all the people you very happily toss away.

Um, 'clete, as I said, it was just a mere woman who deceived Adam. Satan was probably watching and laughing his head off.

When Jesus said love one another, He included all the people you very happily toss away.

I don't toss anyone away, so get off your pedestal before you fall off. You sound like you applaud what Eve did and show your Satanic nature by laughing. Women have being deceiving men for millennia, it's Biblical. In Genesis God declared what the nature of women would be, manipulative by nature.

Just because someone decides to come to my country doesn't mean they should be admitted, I don't assume their burden just because they think it is a good idea

And then, there are 666 children at the southern border whose parents have been totally disconnected from them. The number is interesting....It's hard for me to believe that anyone who will not bother herself over the loss of 900,000 human lives a year has any real concern for "666" children other than to take another swipe at Mr. Trump.

Ah jl you know those who follow a liberal doctrine are very selective

Ah jl you know those who follow a liberal doctrine are very selective
I'm not liberal but also am not closeminded. I'm open to hearing other points of view.

those who follow a liberal doctrine are very selectiveVery, very true, Clete.

It's hard for me to believe that anyone who will not bother herself over the loss of 900,000 human lives a year has any real concern for "666" children other than to take another swipe at Mr. Trump.

Most people understand what people go thru during life changing events, no matter where your sensibilities lie. I doubt this is about taking a swipe at the dufus with those border kids, just calling out the cruelty and abuse that he perpetrates. I figure WG just has an empathetic view of what others go through.


Ah jl you know those who follow a liberal doctrine are very selective

As are conservative doctrine followers so what?

So what?

They seek to include everyone in their falacies, where as conservatives don't like that approach

Most people understand what people go thru during life changing events, no matter where your sensibilities lie. I doubt this is about taking a swipe at the dufus with those border kids, just calling out the cruelty and abuse that he perpetrates. I figure WG just has an empathetic view of what others go through.If you are interested in cruelty, you are opposed to abortion. To speak of six hundred and ignore nine hundred thousand is just political garbage. You can keep your meaningless excuses for those foolish enough to believe them. To say, "Most people understand what people go thru during life changing events," is to open the door to anything and everything. "Yes, I killed one of my children, but I'm undergoing a life changing event, so it's OK." It could be an example sentence under the definition of "platitudes".

That you can ignore one cruelty for another is telling, since WG and I are against abortions AND the cruelty of this administration, and have said so repeatedly. now you can twist that around all you want, it doesn't change a thing does it?

I understand your position but unfortunately you are outvoted in the law and public opinion, even as you support changing that law. Probably be helpful if you stop whining about how wrong others are and how right you are, so as to dispense with the personal attacks and insults. I kind of find it interesting your dismissal and twisting of my term life changing events that people endure as some kind of excuse for anything goes, because it's not in my opinion, just acknowledgement that people grow and learn at different paces and positive changes take time to occur, and plenty of stuff happens until it does and not at all smooth and easy, but you know that already so why be nasty about it?

law and public opinion, another liberal falacy

That you can ignore one cruelty for another is telling, since WG and I are against abortions AND the cruelty of this administration, and have said so repeatedly. now you can twist that around all you want, it doesn't change a thing does it?You need to get your facts straight. First of all, WG has never said she is against abortion and has just declined an opportunity to oppose it. Secondly, you are also not against it, so your first statement is completely untrue. Lastly, I have just said earlier I am against cruelty to children of any kind. The 666 children she spoke of are not being treated cruelly. They are, for the most part, victims of their parents' irresponsible behavior. They have to be kept somewhere. I don't know the answer to it and neither do you.




because it's not in my opinion, just acknowledgement that people grow and learn at different paces and positive changes take time to occur, and plenty of stuff happens until it does and not at all smooth and easy, but you know that already so why be nasty about it?




That tells me nothing. "Plenty of stuff happens", so I shouldn't be concerned about the killings of 900,000 human beings a year? Is that your justification?

You need to get your facts straight. First of all, WG has never said she is against abortion and has just declined an opportunity to oppose it.
I am against willy-nilly abortions that have no rationale (and I did say something to that effect) plus I also mentioned having an abortion is between the pregnant woman and her doctor. Sometimes it IS a medical necessity.

If your 12-year-old granddaughter was raped, would you be okay with her getting an abortion?

I am against cruelty to children of any kind. The 666 children she spoke of are not being treated cruelly.
You know this how? Oh yeah, Trump said they get to watch TV all day and eat snacks.

They are, for the most part, victims of their parents' irresponsible behavior.
It's irresponsible to remove your children from a war zone and send/take them to a better place to live? Lots of Jews during WW2 would have disagreed with you.

They have to be kept somewhere. I don't know the answer to it and neither do you.
Of course, I do!

I for one care little for those perceptions and definitions you want to pigeon hole others into JL. I don't need your validation for any of my positions or opinions.

I realize your a NUT, and accept your nuttiness! Plays rather well with your self righteous pretzel routine.

I am against willy-nilly abortions that have no rationale (and I did say something to that effect) plus I also mentioned having an abortion is between the pregnant woman and her doctor. Sometimes it IS a medical necessity.Very nice job of being non-commital.


If your 12-year-old granddaughter was raped, would you be okay with her getting an abortion?No I would not. I have a foundation for my belief. Unborn children are human beings deserving of protection. A child that is the product of rape is of no less value than other children. Your great weakness is that you want to appear to be against abortion while excusing it in nearly every instance. You have no foundation for your belief.


Of course, I do!Great. Let's hear it. How do you return those children to their parents when the parents are in jail or have disappeared?


I for one care little for those perceptions and definitions you want to pigeon hole others into JL. I don't need your validation for any of my positions or opinions.No one invited you into this discussion. If you can't stand the heat, then stay out of the kitchen.

Very nice job of being non-commital.
You want a yes/no response? It doesn't work that way.

No I would not. I have a foundation for my belief. Unborn children are human beings deserving of protection. A child that is the product of rape is of no less value than other children.
Thus, your granddaughter has no value. And you will force this young girl to be pregnant for nine months (screwing up her body and soul), delivering the baby (no, that's not fun even when you WANT the baby), and staring at this product of rape, reminding her every second of her shame.
Your great weakness is that you want to appear to be against abortion while excusing it in nearly every instance. You have no foundation for your belief.
Guess I'll have to post the Bible verses where God commanded abortions.

Great. Let's hear it. How do you return those children to their parents when the parents are in jail or have disappeared?
Tomorrow. It's bedtime now.

You want a yes/no response? It doesn't workthat way.Like I said...non-commital. You're about as against abortion as I'm against the purchase of a Dodge automobile. It's a simple preference to you.


Thus, your granddaughter has no value.That's a completely absurd statement. Nothing I said would cause any rational person to arrive at that conclusion. Surely you missed something somewhere.
And you will force this young girl to be pregnant for nine months (screwing up her body and soul), delivering the baby (no, that's not fun even when you WANT the baby), and staring at this product of rape, reminding her every second of her shame.If a doctor not working at an abortion mill told me the pregnancy could likely cause her lifelong physical injury or death, then that would be a different matter. However, 13 year old girls give birth and go on to live productive lives. Others have abortions and live their entire adult lives regretting it bitterly. The baby is just a troublesome brat to you. To me it is a living human being.


Guess I'll have to post the Bible verses where God commanded abortions.

Yeah. That'll be interesting

You got no heat in the kitchen...that's a grease fire from rehashed rhetoric.

You got no heat in the kitchen.Then what are you whining about? If you have a rational argument, then bring it forward, but the endless complaining such as, "I for one care little for those perceptions and definitions you want to pigeon hole others into JL. I don't need your validation for any of my positions or opinions.I realize your a NUT, and accept your nuttiness! Plays rather well with your self righteous pretzel routine," just becomes tiresome. You're just whining as opposed to advancing any kind of argument that is worth listening to. You have no statement that can be responded to.

That's your version of the debate which is always one sided. I understand completely the frustration of failing to outlaw abortion, gay marriage, and welfare in America. I applaud your dedication, and perseverance, but not the nasty inaccuracy of your rock chunking...but if that's all you got, then that's all you got.

However, 13 year old girls give birth and go on to live productive lives. Others have abortions and live their entire adult lives regretting it bitterly. The baby is just a troublesome brat to you. To me it is a living human being.
She 12, not 13, and she just started getting her periods. She's been raped, is pregnant, was horribly shamed and physically damaged, and probably has not much idea of what's going on inside her body that's too small for a six-pound baby. Her friends shun her. She lies on her bed and cries all day. When it's time to deliver, she has to have a c-section. She hates this baby with every fiber of her being.

Now, let's talk about the future of the baby....

She's been raped, is pregnant, was horribly shamed and physically damaged, and probably has not much idea of what's going on inside her body that's too small for a six-pound baby. Her friends shun her. She lies on her bed and cries all day. When it's time to deliver, she has to have a c-section. She hates this baby with every fiber of her being.So let's compound a horrendous situation by killing her baby and giving her reason to feel guilty the rest of her life? Once your exagerrations are out of the way, I'll just go back to what I said before. I would listen to what a qualified doctor says, and not a pro-abortion liberal.

What happened to all those pro-abortion scriptures you were going to give us, and your answer to the dilemma of the children separated from parents who have gone missing?

So let's compound a horrendous situation by killing her baby
It's not her baby. She didn't want it then or now.

So a child that is not wanted is ripe for killing? Got it.

How would you possibly know what that girl would think years down the road or what she wants now? "She didn't want it then or now."

In the meantime, we continue to wait for those scriptures where God "commanded" that abortion take place, and also your solution for those isolated children that you said you would post today.

So a child that is not wanted is ripe for killing? Got it.

How would you possibly know what that girl would think years down the road or what she wants now? "She didn't want it then or now."
Every time she looks at that child, she remembers the rape.

How would you possibly know what that girl would think years down the road or what she wants now? "She didn't want it then or now."
Several friends over the years have been raped and impregnated.

In the meantime, we continue to wait for those scriptures where God "commanded" that abortion take place
Here's one:
Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up. -- Hosea 13:16

Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up. -- Hosea 13:16Oh yeah. That's a real endorsement of abortion. Hosea prophecies what the wicked will do, and you agree with it? Sure you want to go with that?

Why not just acknowledge that God never commands abortion? Wouldn't that be more honest??? But instead, you try to portray, "women with child shall be ripped up" as some endorsement of abortion. That's pretty wild. Not quite as wild as your contention that Paul was a homosexual, but pretty close.


Every time she looks at that child, she remembers the rape.You have no idea what she remembers.

Oh yeah. That's a real endorsement of abortion. Hosea prophecies what the wicked will do, and you agree with it? Sure you want to go with that?
No, God's people were commanded to kill even pregnant women and their unborn babies

You have no idea what she remembers.
Surely you jest.

No, God's people were commanded to kill even pregnant women and their unborn babiesNo, they weren't. Read more carefully. That was a passage AGAINST God's people, a prophecy of judgement. And to call that an endorsement of abortion is really an outrage. You are stretching BIG TIME. You have nothing. It's as completely absurd as contending that God was endorsing child murder in that passage.

"The people of Samaria must bear their guilt, because they have rebelled against their God."

It's like I have said before. It's so sad to see a professing Christian coming out all in for abortion.

More liberal theology, they use the word to justify anything

More liberal theology, they use the word to justify anythingYep. It's the difference between the Bible informing my worldview, or my worldview informing the Bible.

It's as completely absurd as contending that God was endorsing child murder in that passage.
Methinks thou must read that passage more carefully.

Methinks thou must read that passage more carefully.Oh stop. You're embarrassing yourself. Admit your mistake and move on.

Oh stop. You're embarrassing yourself. Admit your mistake and move on.
Do you know what Samaria was and who its god was?

Samaria was another name for the ten northern tribes. They basically never served the true God, and yet He continually sent prophets to warn them. Hosea was one of them. If you will read 14:1&2 you will see what you have missed. The passage you quoted was very plainly a prophecy against them. To suggest it is a command to abort children would be laughable if it wasn’t so sickening. Assyria would be the invading army. In those days, it was not good to be overrun by the Assyrians.

Is Samaria related to Samaritan as in the parable?

Indeed it is. Well done, oh thou theologian! 8D

Have a good day today. Go to church.

I'm a little worried about you. We haven't smacked each other upside the head in a few days. Are you off your feed???

contending that God was endorsing child murder in that passage.

Endorsing? No. Commanding? Yes. What a gentle, loving God...

Hosea 13:16 Samaria will be held guilty, For she has rebelled against her God. They will fall by the sword, Their little ones will be dashed in pieces, And their pregnant women will be ripped open.

Endorsing? No. Commanding? Yes. What a gentle, loving God...
Complete absurdity and total lack of knowledge of even basic semantics. It was not endorsed. It was not commanded. It was prophesied. And murdering a woman and her child by ripping open her belly is not abortion. You are so desperate to justify abortion, I actually somewhat feel sorry for you. And your snarky comment about a gentle, loving God reveals a lot about your faith.

Hosea 13:16 Samaria will be held guilty, For she has rebelled against her God. They will fall by the sword, Their little ones will be dashed in pieces, And their pregnant women will be ripped open.

Complete absurdity and total lack of knowledge of even basic semantics. It was not endorsed. It was not commanded. It was prophesied. And murdering a woman and her child by ripping open her belly is not abortion. You are so desperate to justify abortion, I actually somewhat feel sorry for you. And your snarky comment about a gentle, loving God reveals a lot about your faith.

Hosea 13:16 Samaria will be held guilty, For she has rebelled against her God. They will fall by the sword, Their little ones will be dashed in pieces, And their pregnant women will be ripped open.
How many other times throughout the OT did God command the Israelites to kill? and rip unborn babies from their mothers? Certainly an all-powerful God could have come up with a better solution. Maybe the Israelites had to justify their warlike actions and say "God made us do it."

How many other times throughout the OT did God command the Israelites to kill? and rip unborn babies from their mothers? Certainly an all-powerful God could have come up with a better solution. Maybe the Israelites had to justify their warlike actions and say "God made us do it."

The Bible has its God ripping open the bellies of pregnant women as punishment for rebellion. Abortion has a pregnancy terminated under the compassionate care of modern medicine. Who's the greater monster? God or the doctor who performs the abortion?

Evangelists/fundamentalists find themselves backed into a corner by the Biblical contradictions - the God who slaughters innocents and the son of that God who says to love your enemy. Which is it?

How many other times throughout the OT did God command the Israelites to kill? and rip unborn babies from their mothers? Certainly an all-powerful God could have come up with a better solution. Maybe the Israelites had to justify their warlike actions and say "God made us do it."That's a completely different question. I would encourage you to ask God about it, but your ridiculous suggestion from two days ago that God commanded abortions, and thus abortion now is justifiable, is just nonsense. It is not there, period.

Two days ago you posted, "Guess I'll have to post the Bible verses where God commanded abortions." Well, you still need to since the one scripture you posted clearly was not a command for abortion. We still wait.

You also rather smugly posted that you would tell us what to do with those 666 children whose parents cannot be located.
We are still waiting on that one as well. "Tomorrow. It's bedtime now," was your comment.

well Trump has finally admitted another achievement, defeat, a close race, but never the less defeat. He shall not go ignominiously into history but be noted for the things he didn't achieve, a big beautiful wall, making america great again, the control of CV19, the defeat of China, the defeat of Iran, the defeat of the Taliban and the things he dismantled, NAFTA, The Paris accord,

Thank goodness for his dismantling of NAFTA, which he replaced with the far better USMCA, and also for abandoning the ludicrous Paris Climate Accord. The economy during his four years was amazingly good until derailed, like the rest of the world, by Covid. He never said he would defeat China, but he did at least push back against their unfair trade practices. He appointed Supreme Court justices that at least have a some level of commitment to the rule of law. He started the big, beautiful wall, but needed a dem House to fund it, and that didn't happen.

He didn't start the wall he continued a previous initiative and he failed to get Mexico to pay for it, and even when the pelicans controlled the House they couldn't fund the wall or fully dismantle Obamacare, His other failure was to have his party with him, Trump represented a party of one

The strange part of the wall is that even demonrat Clinton saw the need for the wall, but Biden is against it

He didn't start the wall he continued a previous initiative and he failed to get Mexico to pay for it, and even when the pelicans controlled the House they couldn't fund the wall or fully dismantle Obamacare, His other failure was to have his party with him, Trump represented a party of onePretty fair analysis. Just incomplete.

Pretty fair analysis. Just incomplete.

unlike some I don't fire all my ammunition in one burst

Trump may have started out as a party of one , For good and bad he has transformed the Republican party . He had huuge coattails for a defeated Presidential candidate which means the movement he brought to the party is not going away. Oh I expect some of the Repub swamp critters to try to regain the advantage . They will probably retire or get primary'ed out . Look at Susan Collins . She survived because she ultimately adopted enough of the Trump agenda . Her seat was ripe for that taking ;a Republican in a deep blue state .

He had huge coattails for a defeated Presidential candidate which means the movement he brought to the party is not going awayVery true. He started a movement which is going to continue.

How many times have I heard that before? The pendulum swings back and forth, and for now the right relinquishes the bully pulpit. Hey look, left...right...we've been doing this back and forth long enough to know you're only as good to go as the next election.

In his “New Rules” segment Friday Bill Maher noted that Democrats failed to flip the Senate ,state legislators. They lost seats in the House. That, for all Dems talk of systemic racism, their share of minority votes went down .
He said the message to Democrats was “We don’t like Trump, but we still can’t bring ourselves to vote for you.”
“Liberals can either write off half the country as irredeemable,” or they can ask, ‘What is is about a “D” next to a candidate’s name that makes it so toxic?’” ....“Democrats too often don’t come off as having common sense to a huge swath Americans. Democrats are the party of every hypersensitive social justice warrior woke bullsh*t story in the news.”
He spoke of Anne Hathaway apologizing because she plays a witch with three fingers in her new movie and that might offend some.“Who are these jellyfish?”
“I can do this all day,”..."Cite stories big and small that are endlessly on people’s news feeds that add up to a constant drip, drip, drip of ‘These people are nuts.’
Democrats kept saying in the campaign, ‘You can’t possibly think Trump is preferable to what we’re selling,’ and many voters keep saying, ‘Yes. We. Can. In fact our primary purpose for voting for him is to create a bulwark against you. Because your side thinks silence is violence and looting is not."

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/11/16/bill_maher_democrats_need_to_get_over_hypersensiti ve_social_justice_warrior_woke_bs_voters_think_the yre_nuts.html

Let's deal in reality shall we, instead of talking head suppositions, and I love Real Time, but the senate is still in play and dems still have the house, despite losing a few seats. No we didn't wipe the floor with repub arse, and it's not over yet. No election has ever stopped antics on both sides, because we all know 2022 is coming.

A 50-50 congress is still a win for us. Wonder who replaces Harris in the senate?

A 50/50 congress is a disaster for you but a blessing for the country. It will temper the dems madness.

The new VP would be the tiebreaking vote. Quite enough to repair some of the dufus stuff. We'll see.

despite losing a few seats. I hear Madam Mim's directive to the House members is do NOT take a position in the Quid Administration .Her governing majority is so thin that she fears losing it in special elections to replace members who resign to serve Quid.


A 50-50 congress is still a win for us. Wonder who replaces Harris in the senate? You mean Senate . Joe Manchin has already indicated he would not be a part of court packing and other plans by extremist Dems . He is a great candidate for flipping since he most likely will lose his seat as a Dem.
Don't worry about Harris . I'll wager almost anything that Gavin Newsom appoints himself .

You're missing the main point. That was to get rid of the bald blond nutcase. That was done. The rest is just politics as usual.

The new VP would be the tiebreaking voteI said the Congress was 50/50, not the Senate. I am assuming the repubs will get at least one of two from Georgia.

Let the dufus sycophant shenanigans begin....AGAIN!

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2020/11/17/wayne-county-election-certification/6309668002/