The following quotes from Trump can be found at The Atlantic magazine, a venerable publishing company since 1857.

https://www.theatlantic.com/

- Cancelling a trip to the American military cemetery near Paris, Trump declined to go, "Why should I go there? It's filled with losers".

- Trump also referred to the 1800 Marines who died at WW1's Belleau Wood as "suckers".

- Re WW1, Trump did not understand why the US fought in that war. "Who were the good guys in this war"?, Trump asked.

- Sen. John McCain spent 5 years as a prisoner of North Vietnam. "He's not a war hero", Trump said. "I like people who weren't captured".

- Trump is against honoring wounded soldiers since "Nobody wants to see amputees".


There's much more at the on-line magazine. It's highly recommended for those who believe Trump supports the military.

In 1997, when asked why he hadn't fought in Vietnam, Trump said his battle was here at home fighting venereal disease. He said he was "very brave" avoiding STDs when he was single.

As a draft dodger, Trump had a doctor create a false diagnosis claiming he had "bone spurs". When queried, Trump could not remember the name of the doctor. However, the doctor's daughters later went public and declared the diagnosis was false and made up by Trump.

The above information is from 4 military sources, from Donald Trump himself, and from the daughters of the doctor noted re "bone spurs".

- Cancelling a trip to the American military cemetery near Paris, Trump declined to go, "Why should I go there? It's filled with losers".Who is the source for this "quote"?


- Trump also referred to the 1800 Marines who died at WW1's Belleau Wood as "suckers".Who is the source for this quote?


- Re WW1, Trump did not understand why the US fought in that war. "Who were the good guys in this war"?, Trump asked.Who is the source for this quote?


- Sen. John McCain spent 5 years as a prisoner of North Vietnam. "He's not a war hero", Trump said. "I like people who weren't captured".Really dumb statement by Trump. Unlike the three above, he did actually say this.


- Trump is against honoring wounded soldiers since "Nobody wants to see amputees".Again, who is the source?

I don't pay attention to these unsourced "quotes". Sounds like more desperate attempts by liberals to exhibit their hatred of Trump.

- Sen. John McCain spent 5 years as a prisoner of North Vietnam. "He's not a war hero", Trump said. "I like people who weren't captured".


Really dumb statement by Trump. Unlike the three above, he did actually say this.

even dumber because he was repeating a stand up comedy line from Chris Rock . '

Here is the skit (lots of obscenities )

http://www.cc.com/video-clips/apb3z6/uncensored---john-mccain-is-old

The following quotes from Trump can be found at The Atlantic magazine, a venerable publishing company since 1857.

I subscribed to Atlantic for years . Then I dropped my subscription about 20 years ago because they became politically biased . Their articles are mostly on line so I read the articles that are more eclectic and avoid the ones that are political .

Trump cancelled because of the weather . Marine One was grounded and he did not want to arrange a motorcade . He sent General Kelly ,Joint Chiefs of Staff, Marine Gen. Joe Dunford; and several members of the White House staff instead .

This latest article just gets in line with more of the dufus's disrespect for darn near everybody but himself. Amusing how the liar, and constant denigrator of others is upset about someone else "lying" about him.

someone else "lying" about him.So you do believe they were lying? Interesting.

It's sad where journalism has gone. Take rumors and print them as fact. It's now so accepted that it's even presented as some sort of evidence on this site when, of course, it is not evidence at all. It's just the same sort of stuff you see everyday on Facebook.

I subscribed to Atlantic for years . Then I dropped my subscription about 20 years ago because they became politically biased

Translation: They reported the truth re the conservative crowd and, since you didn't approve, it was "politically biased".


Trump cancelled because of the weather

That's the story the Trumpistas gave. Nobody believed it.

They reported the truthOnly if you consider "truth" to be a synonym for "unsourced rumors".

Trump cancelled because of the weather


That's the story the Trumpistas gave. Nobody believed it.

Except that my source is USA Today Nov 10,2018 . They mocked him for bumping the trip .
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/11/10/donald-trump-cancels-visit-wwi-cemetery-ceremony-because-rain/1958788002/


If this was real ,it would've been reported long before now . Pressure for the real sources to reveal themselves . My money is on Gen Kelly ,Mad Dog Mathis; perhaps Bolton (although I kinda doubt that one because it wasn't in his book )

Except that my source is USA Today Nov 10,2018 . They mocked him for bumping the trip .
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/11/10/donald-trump-cancels-visit-wwi-cemetery-ceremony-because-rain/1958788002/

Do you really believe a little rain prevented Trump from attending? It didn't prevent other world leaders nor several US generals.

(https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/11/10/donald-trump-cancels-visit-wwi-cemetery-ceremony-because-rain/1958788002/)

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Except that my source is USA Today Nov 10,2018 . They mocked him for bumping the trip .
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...in/1958788002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/11/10/donald-trump-cancels-visit-wwi-cemetery-ceremony-because-rain/1958788002/)





Do you really believe a little rain prevented Trump from attending? It didn't prevent other world leaders nor several US generals. (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/11/10/donald-trump-cancels-visit-wwi-cemetery-ceremony-because-rain/1958788002/)





Absolutely do .Marine One was grounded due to the weather . That means there would've been a need to arrange security for a Presidential motorcade, for an hour 1/2 from Paris to Belleau Wood Cemetery at Aisne-Marne .

Do I believe some one close to the dufus was an unnamed source? Absolutely. More than one, two, three or four? FOR SURE!

I doubt any one would admit it!

Rule out Bolton. He said today he never heard Trump say anything like that. Bolton also says he was there when the decision to not go was made .

A FOIA request made long ago confirms that the Navy grounded Marine One .

https://twitter.com/JasonLeopold/status/1301673157699407873/photo/1

Could Trump have still made his comments ? I guess. But the reason he did not go is confirmed .

Biden strikes again. He has such a dazzling sense of history.

"People fear that which is different. We've got to, for example, why in God's name don't we teach history in history classes? A Black man invented the light bulb, not a White guy named Edison,"

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-claims-black-man-invented-light-bulb-during-campaign-event


Do I believe some one close to the dufus was an unnamed source? Absolutely. More than one, two, three or four? FOR SURE!This is just Kavanaugh all over again, but worse. Kavanaugh was put through the grinder with no credible evidence and a "star witness" whose memory had holes big enough to drive a truck through. He was investigated for a supposed sexual assault someone NOT named Kavanaugh committed. Well, at least in that case they did have the shaky, non-credible witness. In this case there is absolutely nothing more than some outrageous statements that some mystery person supposedly heard Trump say. Just more Trump hatred from the same people that claim to love tolerance.

Trump had no choice but to recruit Generals and swamp critters to staff his administration initially . The Generals like Kelly and Mad Dog ,and the diplomatic corp like Bolton had an idea of how American foreign policy should be conducted that went on from administration to administration regardless of which party was in power . I said it before that it did not matter too much who was President because foreign policy was continuous .
Trump campaigned on changing that and as a result he made enemies along the way amongst the professionals . They have been part of the permanent coup against Trump . They do not accept the fact that Trump intends to make changes .

Biden strikes again. He has such a dazzling sense of history.

"People fear that which is different. We've got to, for example, why in God's name don't we teach history in history classes? A Black man invented the light bulb, not a White guy named Edison,"
Biden was very, very close to being correct. Google Lewis Latimer.

https://currently.att.yahoo.com/att/no-black-man-didnt-invent-221339753.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9zZWFyY2gueWFob28uY29tLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAADi9xv2nWeiUVi_YYq9_GhCEBk6G Lj7CZdlAIQGD7LMP7Er7mxZDqwhDHGTM--TUnw-5mlGWLM19WG46e1pmCfMkShbcUGgC0qJ4Wrutcs-9kFaospLFkKsXKu71MV5PRjqv_z75c-2A0DxyMAugNCAxhuzhkwZ9xjuw6U7EzxSn

Biden was a thousand miles from being correct. It's like saying that the SECOND guy to make an airplane invented powered flight. Biden is clearly just about the only person in the western world who does not know who invented the light bulb. It was clearly said just to pander to the black vote. I would hope it would be considered insulting. OR he is dumb enough to believe it. Surely that's not the case.

trump disses everyone this is not new

A Biden gaffe compared to the thousands of lies by the dufus...REALLY?

Update on Trump's military comments.

So far Trump's disgusting comments on US soldiers have been confirmed from different sources by the Associated Press, the New York Times, and - are you ready for it? - FOX NEWS! Yes, FOX NEWS, Trump's own channel where the correspondent confirmed them from independent sources.

Trump himself is the source for the McCain comments which Trump is now "clarifying". Problem is, the idiot's on video which much of the world has seen and hasn't forgotten.

You kind of left out some important details, didn't you?

Two sources who were on the trip in question with Trump refuted the main thesis of The Atlantic's reporting -- that Trump canceled a trip to the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery, which is at the site of Belleau Wood, an important World War I battle, because he believed the dead soldiers to be "losers."
The White House had said at the time the decision was made because of poor weather for flying Marine One and the fact that the cemetery was too far a distance for a motorcade to drive.
One of the sources who refuted the Atlantic's reporting is not a fan of Trump. Both sources said that Trump was upset about not being able to go to Aisne-Marne and said they had never heard Trump refer to war dead at Aisne-Marne or in the battle of Bellau Wood as "losers" or "suckers."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-didnt-cancel-visit-to-american-military-cemetery-in-france-over-disdain-for-slain-veterans-sources-say

(https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-didnt-cancel-visit-to-american-military-cemetery-in-france-over-disdain-for-slain-veterans-sources-saySo)So your primary contention is blown away by the very story you referred to.

A Biden gaffe compared to the thousands of lies by the dufus...REALLY?There have not been "thousands of lies", and Biden's remark sadly reflects on either his mental state or his willingness to say virtually anything to pander to black voters, which is insulting beyond belief. He evidently believes that black Americans are so dumb that they don't know who invented the light bulb. Well, he's wrong about that. I guess the next comment will be about the first American in space, Alan Shepard, who was actually a latino/black woman.

The dufus doesn't pander to white people's fears for votes? Or play down Russian propaganda AGAIN to smear his opponents?

The Russia story is dead and rightfully so.

so a call for law and order is only directed at whites?? Well ok then.

The Russia story is dead and rightfully so.

so a call for law and order is only directed at whites?? Well ok then.

The dufus LIES about the Russian cyber propaganda efforts AGAIN, and the law and order fear mongering IS aimed at whites.

So black Americans have no interest in law and order? I bet they do.

the Russia story has been shown to be fake news. It’s over. Democrat propaganda.

He evidently believes that black Americans are so dumb that they don't know who invented the light bulb.
You apparently didn't read my earlier post and the link I provided. A Black man (Granville T. Woods*) probably invented the telephone for which Bell got credit. And another Black inventor (Dr. Henry T. Sampson) created the technology that gave us the cell phone.

*https://www.biography.com/inventor/granville-t-woods

Thomas Edison invented the lightbulb, and for the life of me I don't see why we are even discussing it. If you want to advance the idea that black individuals have many accomplishments, then I'm with you. JB was wildly wrong about the light bulb. Surely you are not expecting an agreement about that, are you?

John Bolton who was on the trip and clearly no fan of Trump made it clear that Trump bumped the trip because the Navy recommended a no go ;and he agreed with that call . He also said he never heard the President disparage troops.

The President is accused of saying troops that went to Vietnam were suckers . I wonder how that compares to JF Kerry testifying in Congress that our troops in Vietnam were the equivalent of Genghis Khan. They defended JF Kerry when he said that if someone doesn't get a good education ,they would be stuck in Iraq . Isn't that the same as saying those troops that went to Iraq were suckers and losers ?

Never heard the Dems complain when Sen D+ck Durbin called US troops Nazis, and like Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge. When our troops returned from Vietnam ,instead of getting a hero's welcome ,they were spit on and called baby killers by the left .

Thomas Edison invented the lightbulb, and for the life of me I don't see why we are even discussing it. If you want to advance the idea that black individuals have many accomplishments, then I'm with you. JB was wildly wrong about the light bulb. Surely you are not expecting an agreement about that, are you?

He was not wildly wrong about Latimer's contribution to both Edison getting his patents nor his developing what is now the modern lightbulb as historic fact says so, though JB
was inaccurate to that detail.


John Bolton who was on the trip and clearly no fan of Trump made it clear that Trump bumped the trip because the Navy recommended a no go ;and he agreed with that call . He also said he never heard the President disparage troops.

Okay Bolton didn't heat it, and the copter was grounded and the dufus didn't want to risk the drive. Hard to buy he listened to his advisors, but I suppose it could happen.


The President is accused of saying troops that went to Vietnam were suckers . I wonder how that compares to JF Kerry testifying in Congress that our troops in Vietnam were the equivalent of Genghis Khan. They defended JF Kerry when he said that if someone doesn't get a good education ,they would be stuck in Iraq . Isn't that the same as saying those troops that went to Iraq were suckers and losers ?


Not even close.


Never heard the Dems complain when Sen D+ck Durbin called US troops Nazis, and like Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge. When our troops returned from Vietnam ,instead of getting a hero's welcome ,they were spit on and called baby killers by the left .

I was there during those times and watched Nixon get swept into office on an end the war platform, and a southern strategy, and Ali's conversion and being stripped of his title, the Olympics, Kent State and the whole mess. The whole country was full of all kinds of civil unrest and long haired freaks, and images of Nam that turned stomachs.

He was merely 100 percent wrong.

Not even close.
you are right . What Kerry said about US troops was worse .

They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, tape wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the country side of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country.

We were disgusting in Nam.

You kind of left out some important details, didn't you?



Many apologies for the delay in responding. Another member told me about it. The reason for the delay is that I have personally blocked your posts for the reasons listed below.

You don't contribute much to the conversation. You often key on the inconsequential in order to lead away from the essential point. Remarkably similar to Trump who uses the tactic when the discussion gets too close to home.

A good example is the mail-in voting. He is obsessing on this to divert attention from his disastrous handling of the COVID-19 crisis which has already caused 188,000+ American deaths and for which Trump is indirectly to blame for over 100,000 of them due to his inaction.

Another example is his frenetic response to questions about Russia by loudly declaring at a press conference yesterday that China is the real culprit, not Russia. This attempted diversion will not work since he is making it extremely obvious that he has something to hide re Russia.

But that's only two examples. Here's my reply to your post above.



You kind of left out some important details, didn't you?

No, I didn't leave out any important details. Keep reading.


Two sources who were on the trip in question with Trump refuted the main thesis of The Atlantic's reporting

Why is it ok for you to name anonymous sources, but not ok for me to do the same thing? No problem, I can tell you who they were. Pompeii and probably Bolton. In any case, sycophants supporting Trump are hardly reliable sources for anything Trump does.

As for my sources, they have been independently confirmed by at least 4 other media - the ones I already mentioned (the Associated Press, the NY Times, and Fox News) and now, CNN. There may be more, but I think 4 is enough to establish the truth. I suspect more will be forthcoming in the days ahead. Note how Trump bashed General Kelly in a pre-emptive move to head off whatever he may reveal.


One of the sources who refuted the Atlantic's reporting is not a fan of Trump.

A source "not a fan of Trump" is probably Bolton.



So your primary contention is blown away by the very story you referred to.

Not so! And you get a big fat Pinocchio for that statement. Thank you so much for posting this link. It is your link and it clearly reveals the falsity of your statement.

https://www.lafoxnews.com/politics/trump-didnt-cancel-visit-to-american-military-cemetery-in-france-over-disdain-for-sin-veterans-sources-say

Reading the ENTIRE story - not cherry-picking what you like - here is what it said:

]But a former senior Trump administration official who was in France traveling with the president in November 2018 did confirm other details surrounding that trip, and had a different account of the canceled cemetery visit.


The source said that during the trip, the president was not in a good mood, angry at something the French president had said and questioning the need to go to two cemeteries. Trump apparently was warned he'd get bad press for canceling. The source also said there was no security reason not to drive to the cemetery, which was about 40 miles from Paris.

“The president drives a lot. The other world leaders drove to the cemeteries. He just didn’t want to go,” the source said.

According to the former official, Trump also had said of the Vietnam War “It was a stupid war. Anyone who went was a sucker.”

Separately, this former official also heard the president say of American veterans: "What’s in it for them? They don’t make any money?" Multiple sources have confirmed Trump said something to this effect during a 2017 visit at Arlington cemetery, as described in the Atlantic article.

Further, regarding accounts of the president’s July 4th military parade planning, the source said that during a planning session at the White House after seeing the Bastille Day parade in 2017, [B]the president said regarding the inclusion of wounded veterans, “That’s not a good look” and “Americans don’t like that.” (This is Trump's notorious comment about amputees)

The above is taken directly from the link YOU posted! You accused me of "kind of left out some important details"? Who's the real culprit now?

FOX News confirmed the Atlantic article, then said it was not true, then reconfirmed it, then false again, and finally confirmed it. A roller coaster of good contending with evil.

I acknowledge your right to post whatever you want. I retain the right to personally block whatever you write which I will resume after finishing this post - although I may unblock you from time to time as needed.

Atlantic Mag is majority owned by Laurene Powell Jobs ;widow of Steve Jobs . She also happens to be a major contributor to Quid's campaign .


Among the tech billionaires giving the legal maximum, or close to it: Facebook co-founder Dustin Moskovitz; philanthropist Laurene Powell Jobs (https://www.vox.com/recode/2020/5/27/21271157/tech-billionaires-joe-biden-reid-hoffman-laurene-powell-jobs-dustin-moskovitz-eric-schmidt); eBay’s first full-time employee, Jeff Skoll (https://www.vox.com/recode/2020/5/1/21242144/billionaires-foundations-giving-money-coronavirus-fight); Zynga founder Mark Pincus; and media moguls Barry Diller and Jeffrey Katzenberg. If you scanned the Biden Victory Fund’s report, every few lines you’d find another marquee name who forked over hundreds of thousands of dollars.

https://www.vox.com/recode/2020/7/16/21326740/silicon-valley-biden-trump-fundraising-reports-steve-ballmer


Billionaire philanthropist Laurene Powell Jobs will assume greater control of the legendary Atlantic magazine as it seeks a new president/CEO and longtime Atlantic Media chairman David Bradley prepares to step away from management duties, Atlantic officials told POLITICO.

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/20/laurene-jobs-the-atlantic-072210

Atlantic Mag is majority owned by Laurene Powell Jobs ;widow of Steve Jobs . She also happens to be a major contributor to Quid's campaign .


https://www.vox.com/recode/2020/7/16/21326740/silicon-valley-biden-trump-fundraising-reports-steve-ballmer



https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/20/laurene-jobs-the-atlantic-072210

What has any of that got to do with issue on the table?

referring to you comment #7 . Yes the Atlantic is a biased publication .

Everybody has a bias, so what's new or unusual. It's an election year, expect BIAS! I'm ready for new critters in the swamp myself.

not everyone is a left wing billionaire who has strong anti-Trump hatred and owns a publication or a media outlet to express their biases . The left wing media bias is not a myth. Knowing the biases up front allows me to consume a balanced news diet .

not everyone is a left wing billionaire who has strong anti-Trump hatred and owns a publication or a media outlet to express their biases . The left wing media bias is not a myth. Knowing the biases up front allows me to consume a balanced news diet .

What about the facts noted in the article? You didn't address that.

Assuming editorial policy reflects ownership is not necessarily true. The Atlantic has a superb reputation for factual reporting. Editor Goldberg is a highly respected journalist often called a neoconservative. (also called a liberal).

Referring to Goldberg's "blockbuster revelation," the Intelligencer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_(magazine)) said "The scope and intensity of the pushback was nuclear." It added, "While it's impossible to directly prove any of these allegations, there is an impressive amount of corroborating evidence. Almost all of it supports Goldberg's reporting," which the Associated Press (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Associated_Press), The New York Times (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_York_Times), Fox News (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_News), and The Washington Post (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Washington_Post) "quickly confirmed."

FOX News confirmed the Atlantic article, then said it was not true, then reconfirmed it, then false again, and finally confirmed it. A roller coaster of good contending with evil.So it did not, as you claimed, confirm the story. Simple.


I acknowledge your right to post whatever you want. I retain the right to personally block whatever you write which I will resume after finishing this post - although I may unblock you from time to time as needed.Please. Make my day. Block me.

Very simple ;sources should come out and make their charge publicly . You know that we are going to be deluged with stories from unnamed sources in the next 2 months .Ten people on the trip have come forward to say the Atlantic story is false; including John Bolton who said that if it was true he would've put it in his book . Also denying it are Mick Mulvaney, former Chief of Staff and Johnny DeStefano, former counselor to the president ,Derek Lyons, staff secretary and counselor to the president, and Dan Walsh, former White House deputy chief of staff .
Lyons' statement :
I was with the president the morning after the scheduled visit. He was extremely disappointed that arrangements could not be made to get him to the site and that the trip had been cancelled. I have worked with the president for his entire administration. One of my responsibilities is working with him on the many letters he signs to the families of our nation’s fallen heroes. In all my time at the White House. I have never heard him utter a disparaging remark of any kind about our troops. In my view, he holds the brave men and women of our armed forces in the highest regard.

Walsh’s statement: “I can attest it to the fact that there was a bad weather called in France and that the helicopters were unable to safely make the flight. Overall, the president’s support and respect for our American troops past and present is unquestionable. " Mulvane's statement :“As you all can probably imagine, I have seen more than my share of outrageous (and false) attacks on the President over the last few years. But this whole injured soldiers thing really, really pushes the envelope.”

DeStefano tweeted : I was on this trip. The Atlantic bit is not true. Period.

Now what would you expect of the dufus and his gang of sycophant to say? Their job is to be loyal to the boss and defend him right? If it becomes public who those unnamed anonymous sources are they would become instant targets akin to a mob boss putting the kiss of death to a flunky. Have you forgotten what the dufus demands of his workers or what he does when they don't do as he says?

This whole weekend has been a montage of the dufus loser sucker reruns in public on tape so what's so far fetched about his private uttering being more of the same?

So everyone with the courage to be named says the story is garbage, and the only response is, "Now what would you expect..?" So there is no satisfying the "We hate Trump" crowd. A lie is as good as the truth to them. It's Kavanaugh all over again except worse.

Doesn't take courage for a sycophant to do what the boss says, or understand the fear of being fired and attacked if you do otherwise. Given past words and actions by the dufus it's rather easy to believe he bad mouths people in private. More likely than NOT for sure, and just as easy for his fans to go along with it like you forever dufus defenders no matter what he does.

maybe you missed this in their descriptions

Mick Mulvaney, former Chief of Staff and Johnny DeStefano, former counselor to the president ,Derek Lyons, staff secretary and counselor to the president, and Dan Walsh, former White House deputy chief of staff .

Add to that John Bolton ;who hates Trump's guts was former National Security Advisor . Why would they be concerned about being fired ?

This is just a lame attempt to decouple Trump from his base . I guess to employ the same strategery to Quid you would have to make claims that he was bad mouthing the 'peaceful' protesters .

Here is Nikki Haley's comment today ; All of us who worked with Donald Trump witnessed the tremendous amount of love and respect he has for our military. He was determined to protect them. We had many conversations in NSC meetings about protecting them.

A lie is as good as the truth to them. It's Kavanaugh all over again except worse.
this reminds me of the hit piece they tried on Bush in 2004 about his deserting his National Guard service . When Dan Rather got caught lying they said the story was "fake but accurate " .
https://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/15/us/the-2004-campaign-national-guard-memos-on-bush-are-fake-but-accurate.html

Wonder where all those folks were when he was knocking McCain and the Khans? If they can ignore what's on the record why can't they ignore what wasn't?

Surprised no one has asked those sycophants about those comments. That response would be a hoot. Go ahead dismiss the allegations as BS like you dismiss Cohen who went to jail for lying for the dufus, and dismiss his niece in her new book, and dismiss Melanie's friend too (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/column-melania-trumps-former-bestie-reveals-the-high-price-she-paid-for-the-friendship/ar-BB18IE0e) while you're at it.

The guy's a lying cheating crook now and has always been so defend him all you want.

Khan put himself in the political crossfire by making an address at the DNC against Trump .

His feud with McCain was long standing . He ripped off a comedy bit by Chris Rock (who's audience thought was hilarious ) and used it inappropriately . You will find no one here defending that . But it reflects the feud he had against McCain and not his attitude about the military .

So explain away this by a real hero!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/miracle-on-the-hudson-pilot-sully-sullenberger-blasts-trump-over-a-report-he-disparaged-fallen-us-service-members/ar-BB18KeKp?ocid=uxbndlbing

Everybody wants to dump on the poor dufus. Cry me a river!

nothing to explain He is basing his opinion on the words of anonymous sources .

If they can ignore what's on the record why can't they ignore what wasn't?What???

As to the Sully story, it might as well have said, "Sully, who has zero first hand knowledge of the supposed incident, has decided to believe what un-named sources supposedly said."

This hatred driven commenting really gets sickening. The "We believe in tolerance" crowd just hate the guy, and so they are willing to believe anything and everything no matter how sickeningly phony it might be.

Oh stop, even repubs HATE the dufus and his words, antics and ways, so stop pretending he is but a victim. He deserves every ounce of derision and mistrust that gets thrown his way and then some and for sure that's what he will get.

Nobody should tolerate is abuse and blatantly lying. No excuse! NONE! You wonder why it's so easy to believe unnamed sources about this dude? You haven't been paying much attention.

If you want to criticize him for lying, then fine. I also hope you were equally critical of Obama. But to stand on a ridiculous story about him making disparaging remarks about dead military heroes makes your position appear cheap.

Get over yourself as where were you when he disparaged a gold star family and McCain? That wasn't cheap? You said nothing and now you cry when what the dufus sent around comes back to him.

disparaged a gold star familyThat's nonsense. Didn't happen. And please don't just blindly post a link you have not bothered to read. If you will read the accounts carefully, you will see the accounts are, at the very least, disputed.

His comments about McCain, AS I HAVE SAID BEFORE, were stupid. They were about on the same level as Biden claiming that poor kids could perform at the same level as white kids, a comment at least mildly racist and one which I'm sure you have criticized on this board.

That's nonsense. Didn't happen. And please don't just blindly post a link you have not bothered to read. If you will read the accounts carefully, you will see the accounts are, at the very least, disputed.
I was on his team until, during his 2015 campaign, he mocked disabled reporter, Sergei Kovaleski, (https://www.snopes.com/news/2016/07/28/donald-trump-criticized-for-mocking-disabled-reporter/) and later creepily shadowed Hillary during the debates (https://www.wane.com/news/national-world/clinton-my-skin-crawled-as-trump-hovered-on-debate-stage/).

This morning, Biden went to church. Trump went golfing.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-2243714/Video-Trump-hits-golf-course-Biden-attends-church-service.html

Perhaps Biden heard something that would correct his pro-abortion, anti-life, anti-traditional marriage positions.

The complaint that Hillary's "skin crawled" was really funny. If she can't handle that minor annoyance, she certainly had no business being president. You guys are really desperate.


seemingly mocked Kovaleski’s physical appearance.Another one of those definite maybes.

Have ya'll had much luck with changing the history books to now show that Edison actually did NOT develop the first light bulb?

Khan put himself in the political crossfire by making an address at the DNC against Trump .

Tom, this is one of the strangest things you've ever posted. A man whose son died in Irag fighting for his country criticizes Trump for his anti-Muslim attitude ("read the Constitution"), and you say it's his own fault because he put himself in the "political crossfire".


Trump ripped off a comedy bit by Chris Rock (who's audience thought was hilarious ) and used it inappropriately

Inappropriately? I'll say!


You will find no one here defending that

Except for you, you mean?


But it reflects the feud he had against McCain and not his attitude about the military .

Sheer hogwash!! His very words reflected his attitude against US prisoners of war, and by extension, the US military. Your defense of Trump is getting desperate, tomder.

spare me the crying over McCain . The Dems love Repubs ....when they are dead . The Dems absolutely trashed him during the 2008 campaign. He was every Dems favorite rogue Repub until the campaign . Then Harry Reid said that he hated McCain and that McCain did not have the temperament to be President .He was called a racist (for voting against MLK Day) and a war monger . John Lewis said that McCain was stoking hatred and compared him to George Wallace .The emperor said in a debate ;“John, you are absolutely right, presidents have to be prudent about what they say. But coming from you, who in the past have threatened extinction for North Korea and sung songs about bombing Iran, I don’t know how credible that is.” The emperor accused him of being ignorant of real America " “I don’t believe that Sen. McCain doesn’t care what’s going on in the lives of Americans — I just think he doesn’t know.” The NY slimes endorsed him during the NY Repub primaries and then they ran a fake adultery story on him.
Many of the things Trump says about McCain he heard first from the Dems .
It was the Dems that said he was too old and senile
It was the Dems that said his service in Vietnam was no big deal.Gen Wesley Clarke said just because you get shot down, that doesn't qualify you to be President.
The fact is that the things the Dems say about Trump today are the very same things they said about Reagan ,the Bush's ,McCain and Romney .

so what does Trump REALLY think about wounded Soldiers ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLejNuG_IPU&feature=emb_logo

spare me the crying over McCain . ......................................<skip>.....................................<skip>.................................................. .............................out bombing Iran, I don’t know how credible that is.” The emperor accused ..................................don’t believe that Sen. McCain doesn’t care what’s going on in the .................................................e s endorsed him during the NY Repub primaries and then they ran a fake adultery story on him.

Tom, not a SINGLE thing you wrote about McCain has anything to do with Trump's slamming the war hero McCain. It's not about McCain's politics. It's all about Trump's disgusting characterization of McCain's service to his country - a service Trump was a draft dodger for.

If this were only about the military, it would be bad enough, but Trump also made a mockery of a severely disabled man on national and world-wide television.

Today we learned Trump hired a look-alike to Obama to practice with. Ultimately, he fired the look-alike.

Can anyone seriously maintain that Trump is not a mental case?

Wife of Jeffrey Goldberg, worked as a senior adviser to Evita and donated the max dollar amount to her 2016 campaign. She also gave $1,000 to Quid in March.

As for the unbiased reporting of Goldberg ;here are some of the articles he's written during the Trump years


Donald Trump’s Mafia Mind-Set

Listening to a legendary American mobster and hearing the president of the United States


Mattis Always Understood Trump’s Severe Defects

And his resignation means he knows that the president will never change.


The Atlantic Bears Witness to Trump’s Destructive Presidency

Editor in chief Jeffrey Goldberg explains “Unthinkable,” an attempt to chronicle the most bizarre—and dangerous—moments of this presidency.


Impeachment: An Argument


He’s Getting Worse

Trump is turning the American presidency into a platform for the wholesale demonization of minorities.

The Man Who Couldn’t Take It Anymore

“I had no choice but to leave,” General James Mattis says of his decision to resign as President Trump’s secretary of defense.


James Mattis Denounces President Trump, Describes Him as a Threat to the Constitution

In an extraordinary condemnation, the former defense secretary backs protesters and says the president is trying to turn Americans against one another.

Am I seeing a pattern with conservatives? Unable to separate the simple nuances of reality? Political campaigns are often close and personal between candidates, debates are often personal attacks to raise profiles and lower your opponents. That's always been the nature of the beast. It's a given in our politics. Opponents often are more friends off season and off camera, remember Reagan and O'Neil? Meadows and Cummings?

My point is conservatives tend to conflate these very different behaviors in ways that distort the reality whether by accident or intentionally and the case in point is tying the call for police reform with the criminal behavior that follow. The dufus is good at stoking that difference emphasizing the criminal, and ignoring the protestors all together. Amazing he and his conservative defenders and sycophants don't address BOTH constructively, rather ignoring the issue of police brutality altogether.

Not surprising then that we have this current controversy with how he feels about the military since he has said many things that make it very easy to believe he actually said his behind the scenes disgusting comments, and not believe his denials, because he is a habitual liar, exaggerator and fountain of misinformation, and that his defenders and sycophants are quick to ignore these things. He adds to his legacy of lying, cheating, stealing and bullying every friggin day, so forget the benefit of a doubt folks, he hardly deserves it.

So go ahead and hide behind the unnamed sources, because we all know you're just waiting with knives a ready to cut whomever these sources are. We saw what was done to political opponents and whistleblowers and those IG's, AG's and Department Secretaries that don't toe the Dufus Party line that requires strict loyalty to him and only him.

Make no mistake the repubs are dead, and the dufus IS the party. Conservative need to face that reality and start defining republicanism again, instead of embracing dufusism. I know, hard to tell the difference, but for sure defending the dufus ain't republicanism...or is it?

That's not good either way!

So go ahead and hide behind the unnamed sources,That made me laugh. Hide behind unnamed sources? Aren't you, in fact, the very one doing that? You believe Trump said certain things because unnamed sources said he did, but you discount the actual named sources who deny the allegations and dismiss them as "sycophants". So who, in fact, is really the one hiding behind unnamed sources?

Our sources are named. Yours are not.

Make no mistake the repubs are dead, and the dufus IS the party. Conservative need to face that reality and start defining republicanism again, instead of embracing dufusism. I know, hard to tell the difference, but for sure defending the dufus ain't republicanism...or is it?

A most important point! The con man from New York has taken over what was once a Grand party. After 2020, the Republican Party will need years to recover. They have shaken hands with the devil and are about to pay dearly for it.

Make no mistake the repubs are dead, and the dufus IS the party. Make no mistake the Dems are dead and the All Out Crazies have taken over the party agenda .


Conservative need to face that reality and start defining republicanism again, instead of embracing dufusism. I know, hard to tell the difference

Liberals need to face that reality and start defining what it is to be a Democrat again, instead of embracing radical progressive socialism. I know, hard to tell the difference

instead of embracing radical progressive socialism. I know, hard to tell the difference

Do you know what socialism is?

Reading this thread I released you are all out of your minds, each side thinks the other insane and there is a rational explanation for this, you have driven each other mad with your incessant bickering

Do you know what socialism is?

of course I do

so I assume you are going to now ask me what I think socialism is . Ok
Socialism is an anti-capitalist movement that developed in the 19 century .It demands economic equality guaranteed and enforced by the state . It envisons a society where the means of production ,distribution and labor are owned and/or highly regulated by the state .

From that premise 2 thoughts emerged . 1. Democratic Socialism . It is a gradual Fabian like movement to gradually transform society to their goals . 2. A more radical revolutionary means to abolish existing institutions to hasten the move to a full socialist state . Marxism takes it a step further and abolishes the state . Fascism puts the illusion of capitalism into a state control of the economy . Fascism and Marxism are socialism by definition .
Socialism has been a failure .So it's proponents white washed it and relabeled it 'progressivism' . I would like to thank your bible 'The Atlantic' for in many words ,pointing out that socialism and progressivism is a distinction without a difference .
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/07/a-linguists-case-for-progressive/593095/

so I assume you are going to now ask me what I think socialism is .

Ha ha - right on! Yup, exactly what I was going to ask.


Fascism puts the illusion of capitalism into a state control of the economy

I might quibble here. But let's stay with socialism.


I would like to thank your bible 'The Atlantic'

The Atlantic my Bible? LOL - if you only knew.

Ok, thank you.

Would you describe specifically why you consider the Democratic Party "socialistic"? I don't want to put words in your mouth, so if I haven't characterized your opinion correctly re the Party, please change it.

In any case, please be as specific and detailed as possible.

so I assume you are going to now ask me what I think socialism is . Ok
Socialism is an anti-capitalist movement that developed in the 19 century .It demands economic equality guaranteed and enforced by the state . It envisons a society where the means of production ,distribution and labor are owned and/or highly regulated by the state .

From that premise 2 thoughts emerged . 1. Democratic Socialism . It is a gradual Fabian like movement to gradually transform society to their goals . 2. A more radical revolutionary means to abolish existing institutions to hasten the move to a full socialist state . Marxism takes it a step further and abolishes the state . Fascism puts the illusion of capitalism into a state control of the economy . Fascism and Marxism are socialism by definition .
Socialism has been a failure .So it's proponents white washed it and relabeled it 'progressivism' . I would like to thank your bible 'The Atlantic' for in many words ,pointing out that socialism and progressivism is a distinction without a difference .
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/07/a-linguists-case-for-progressive/593095/

I think those are false premises that fails to take into account who implements and how rules and regulations are implemented. That is what defines any system. Implementation has always been my peeve against repubs even as somethings make sense (ID'S), but the shenanigans behind the implementation is atrocious (Closing urban DMV's and moving them to rural locations without transportation, and with limited days and hours of service.).

Capitalism-The philosophy that money is GOD, and profits come before people.

partly right capitalism is the private ownership of property and the means of production . It is a name created by socialists to misbrand it the way you have . A better name for it would be economic individualism (Adam Smith's definition) . The pursuit of self interest and the right to own private property are morally defensible and legally legitimate ; the state exists to protect individual rights. Subject to certain restrictions, individuals (alone or with others) are free to decide where to invest, what to produce or sell, and what prices to charge. Yes profits are a key motivator .But that is by providing goods and services that others want ;but can't or don't want to do themselves .Adam Smith said “It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest.” I may want the steak the butcher provides . But I don't know the first thing about raising cattle ,or slaughtering them to make the steak .So I am willing to pay the butcher for the service . It is win win. Those exchanges happen frequently in a free market "capitalist " economy .

Would you describe specifically why you consider the Democratic Party "socialistic"? I don't want to put words in your mouth, so if I haven't characterized your opinion correctly re the Party, please change it.

In any case, please be as specific and detailed as possible.

No answer to my question posted above?

give me time . I also have a life to live .

give me time . I also have a life to live .

OK ..........

I may want the steak the butcher provides . But I don't know the first thing about raising cattle ,or slaughtering them to make the steak .So I am willing to pay the butcher for the service . It is win win. Those exchanges happen frequently in a free market "capitalist " economy .
But that butcher works for a huge conglomerate such as Walmart or Whole Foods or Trader Joe's or Wegman's that buys those sides of beef. He cuts out those steaks for you and gets paid by the particular conglomerate he works for. You pay the conglomerate, not the butcher.

Did you watch the debates (or the video I posted) when Trump crept around on the stage, shadowing Hillary? I was screaming at her to turn around and punch him in his fat gut.

partly right capitalism is the private ownership of property and the means of production . It is a name created by socialists to misbrand it the way you have . A better name for it would be economic individualism (Adam Smith's definition) . The pursuit of self interest and the right to own private property are morally defensible and legally legitimate ; the state exists to protect individual rights. Subject to certain restrictions, individuals (alone or with others) are free to decide where to invest, what to produce or sell, and what prices to charge. Yes profits are a key motivator .But that is by providing goods and services that others want ;but can't or don't want to do themselves .Adam Smith said “It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest.” I may want the steak the butcher provides . But I don't know the first thing about raising cattle ,or slaughtering them to make the steak .So I am willing to pay the butcher for the service . It is win win. Those exchanges happen frequently in a free market "capitalist " economy .

Nice spin Tom. Just enough truth to SOUND logical. Just like the justification for Reaganomics (AKA Trickle down and supply side) was the job creation. The problem was the application of who decided the value of labor and we both know rich guys pay peanuts to workers and are take more than the lions share of profit.

The result is plants move overseas for cheap labor, and the rich guys get a tax break out of it for creating a ghost town. Look around your own country bud.

If you really believe that then start a business here and show us how it should be done. Every worker is free to work for whoever that person chooses and to make him/herself more valuable with better skills. Free enterprise has helped us develop to the amazing level we presently occupy. I never cease to be amazed at the complainers.

I'm sure that comment will go over great through the rust belt. Better yet how about those workers in Indiana who's jobs the dufus and Pence? Or Salem, Virginia?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jul/10/trump-workers-jobs-overseas-factories

And

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-carrier-idUSKBN1F02TL

Or the coal miners for that matter. Tell a 40/50 year old guy with kids and a mortgage how free he is to work anywhere else. Not to mention all those jobs that depended on that factory like suppliers, restaurants, and diners drying up and losing health care insurance.

Yeah bud, you should visit those ghost towns and tell them to stop complaining. Should I pick you up and visit my hometown?

Yeah bud, you should visit those ghost towns and tell them to stop complaining. Should I pick you up and visit my hometown?

Tal, you can't mean that the fallacies in the system are starting to show, seismic cracks are appearing because the B/S no longer works, utopia lost and all because of a virus. In a pandemic universal health care is essential, it can no longer be confined to the employed or the rich who can afford to buy insurance. And employment, who remembers it outside of the cities and the plush offices

Tal, those situations have always existed and always will. The most skilled person in the buggy whip factory no longer has a job. It happens in socialist economies as well. Still, if you are a butcher, then you can move from job A to job B if job B is more attractive. That's how it works. Every trucking company in America is looking for drivers. There's an answer, and its just one of many. We have had an amazing economy the past several years until Covid hit, and even now it's bouncing back. If you don't believe that, then move to Europe and give us a report.

Bounce back is very selective, relies on CV19 having passed on

By "bounced back", I was referring to the jobs numbers for July and August which were FAR better than expected. It is plain that business people trust Trump with the economy. I think the decision has been made that we will not drive the economy into a major depression because of the pandemic.

sensible until the third wave

Fourth wave. Fifth wave. Makes no difference. We will get an entirely new definition of misery if we allow our economy to slip into another Great Depression. Very few Americans or Aussies really understand what hardship is.

By "bounced back", I was referring to the jobs numbers for July and August which were FAR better than expected. It is plain that business people trust Trump with the economy. I think the decision has been made that we will not drive the economy into a major depression because of the pandemic.

Business people trust the feds pumping trillions into the stock and credit markets while ordinary Americans wait for the congress to act. They went on vacation instead. July and August have come and gone.

Pumping in trillions like Obama did?

"They went on vacation instead." Well, it's the dems who control the House and the House has to write revenue bills. Have you been critical of the dems for that?

Nope because dems did their job and passed a bill while Mitch and the repubs did not. It's still sitting on his desk waiting for action! Obama passed a stimulus bill after taking office and guided the economy from a freefall created by greedy rich guys trying to steal the money. Totally irrelevant to CURRENT EVENTS, just being a booty!

They passed a bill packed with more pork than could be found in Iowa. They wanted to spend an additional three trillion dollars, and wanted to include checks for 1200 dollars again, most of which would have gone to people who did not need them. So no, they did not do their jobs. And they would not negotiate honestly to arrive at something reasonable. Truth is, the economy is recovering well enough that a stimulus is not needed other than in attempting to buy votes. And unlike what you imply, the Senate does have it's own bill, a much more targeted and reasonable one.

Read it and weep.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/sarahhansen/2020/05/12/democrats-just-released-a-3-trillion-stimulus-wish-list-including-another-round-of-1200-checks/#3a63459e5959

The senate did NOT pass a bill in June so show me where they have. Dry your eyes and show me the bill you claim they passed.

Hmmm. Looks like the Atlantic is rethinking their story about Trump. Be interesting to see if anyone here feels the need rethink their allegations.

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2020/09/07/atlantic-editor-admits-key-detail-of-anti-trump-hit-piece-may-be-untrue-n903238

"This admission by Goldberg completely undermines his entire story. Goldberg claimed the trip wasn’t canceled because of weather. Evidence proves this claim is false. Goldberg now admits that weather causing the cancellation is true. Why should we believe anything else in the story when the foundation of it is admitted to be incorrect?"

Hmmm. Looks like the Atlantic is rethinking their story about Trump. Be interesting to see if anyone here feels the need rethink their allegations.

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2020/09/07/atlantic-editor-admits-key-detail-of-anti-trump-hit-piece-may-be-untrue-n903238

"This admission by Goldberg completely undermines his entire story. Goldberg claimed the trip wasn’t canceled because of weather. Evidence proves this claim is false. Goldberg now admits that weather causing the cancellation is true. Why should we believe anything else in the story when the foundation of it is admitted to be incorrect?"

What's up with you an these far right wing digital rags and why are you ignoring my question on the bill you said the senate passed?

CNN is a right wing digital rag??? Really? Did you bother to listen to the CNN interview where they blow up his silly story about Trump just refusing to go the cemetery, and where it became clear that he had not even ONE named source? How far does your hatred of Trump carry you?

Please be a little more careful reader and note that I did not say they passed a bill. I said they have one. As I understand it, the bill has not been voted on since they had been in active negotiations with the dems on a compromise package, negotiations which were not successful.

Now that I think of it, you never have given your opinion of the fact that the economy created 10 times more manufacturing jobs in Trump's first 21 months than in Obama's final 21 months. Here is your economic genius speaking.


At a town hall in June 2016, President Obama famously said (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKpso3vhZtw) that some manufacturing jobs “are just not going to come back.” He went on to mock then-candidate Trump by saying he’d need a “magic wand” to make good on this manufacturing job promises. Always good to have a pres with a magic wand.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckdevore/2018/10/16/the-trump-manufacturing-jobs-boom-10-times-obamas-over-21-months/#43a2127b5850

https://www.bing.com/th?id=OIP.1UJaCkW7f6YOnVAIPGenzwHaFP&w=239&h=160&c=8&rs=1&qlt=90&dpr=1.5&pid=3.1&rm=2

CNN is a right wing digital rag??? Really? Did you bother to listen to the CNN interview where they blow up his silly story about Trump just refusing to go the cemetery, and where it became clear that he had not even ONE named source? How far does your hatred of Trump carry you?

Your link was to PJ Media, and grounding the helicopter doesn't change the rest of the reporting


Please be a little more careful reader and note that I did not say they passed a bill. I said they have one. As I understand it, the bill has not been voted on since they had been in active negotiations with the dems on a compromise package, negotiations which were not successful.

Point taken, as Mitch didn't have the votes to pass any bill, and may not be able to pass a smaller bill. Still its 4 months later and no results from repubs even if the Senate let the WH try to do their job for them.


Now that I think of it, you never have given your opinion of the fact that the economy created 10 times more manufacturing jobs in Trump's first 21 months than in Obama's final 21 months. Here is your economic genius speaking.

Always good to have a pres with a magic wand.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckdevore/2018/10/16/the-trump-manufacturing-jobs-boom-10-times-obamas-over-21-months/#20f4104b5850



I tend to take a longer view as the devils in in the details of a bigger picture rather than narrow talking points. From last year, a year after your own assertion link.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2019/12/04/jobs-creation-trump-goal-has-fallen-short/4249422002/

I honestly wish the dufus knew what he was doing and not just short term quick ineffective fixes, but his proclivity to throw things together to boost his own self esteem is disgusting and dangerous to the people it affects. You aren't affected by his BS, but many others are and you got what you wanted, hope you're happy, but consider those that were hopeful, but end up screwed.

Your link was to PJ Media, and grounding the helicopter doesn't change the rest of the reportingAs I suspected, you didn't watch the video which was CNN.


I tend to take a longer view as the devils in in the details of a bigger picture rather than narrow talking points. From last year, a year after your own assertion link.How convenient for you. Just remember that magic wand. Trump has it. Obama plainly did not.



I honestly wish the dufus knew what he was doingYeah. Those historic lows for unemployment were no doubt some sort of anomaly. It's kind of like saying that the coach of the New England Pats doesn't know what he's doing. Anyone who wanted a job ended up happy.

Just remember that magic wand. Trump has it.
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https://www.bing.com/th?id=OIP.2J_Egunf5IvFTiu3ETvw_AHaFX&w=202&h=160&c=8&rs=1&qlt=90&dpr=1.5&pid=3.1&rm=2

Wow. That magic wand was even better than I thought!

As I suspected, you didn't watch the video which was CNN.

Saw the video, Goldberg stuck to his story. His word against the dufus.


How convenient for you. Just remember that magic wand. Trump has it. Obama plainly did not.

That's what he and you say. Nice spin, meaningless drivel.



Yeah. Those historic lows for unemployment were no doubt some sort of anomaly. It's kind of like saying that the coach of the New England Pats doesn't know what he's doing. Anyone who wanted a job ended up happy.

Who couldn't build on what was a solid foundation? Even HC! Like Obama when he was elected, if Biden wins, he has a helluva job in front of him. Starts with getting covid under control, and helping people through it.

The coach of the Pats has real talent proven through the years, so does the dufus, a proven liar, cheater, crook and bully, proven through the years.

You righties spin so much and so hard for the dufus you're dizzy!

Historic lows in unemployment and 10X more manufacturing jobs in his first 21 months than in Mr. Obama's last 21 months.

Winning the Super Bowl.

Starting to see it now? Yes, you will have to open your intentionally shut eyes to see it.

And not to mention this. "After historic Israel-UAE flight, other Muslim-majority countries considering to follow suit. It was the first direct commercial passenger flight ever between the two countries."

https://www.foxnews.com/world/israel-united-arab-emirates-middle-east-peace

And all of this happening after the U.S. recognized Jerusalem as Israel's capitol.

Historic lows in unemployment and 10X more manufacturing jobs in his first 21 months than in Mr. Obama's last 21 months.

Winning the Super Bowl.

Starting to see it now? Yes, you will have to open your intentionally shut eyes to see it.

After near historic lows from almost historic highs that Obama achieved? Is that a fair statement? Is it also a fair statement the dufus inherited a growing economy? I think it's a fair statement the dufus wants ALL the credit, and shares NONE with anyone else, and you agree with him on that point.

Comparing Belichick to the dufus is stupid! That's a fair statement too, as well as are your eyes as open as you want mine to be?


And not to mention this. "After historic Israel-UAE flight, other Muslim-majority countries considering to follow suit. It was the first direct commercial passenger flight ever between the two countries."

https://www.foxnews.com/world/israel-united-arab-emirates-middle-east-peace

And all of this happening after the U.S. recognized Jerusalem as Israel's capitol.

We can only wait and see the implications and outcomes as it certainly benefits the Israelis.

I would agree that Obama managed to achieve the slowest GDP growth of any recovery from recession in sixty years, and even at that had to double the national debt. Now if that's the supposedly high powered economy that you seem to think Trump inherited, then so be it.

Comparing Belichick to Trump is a comparison of leadership. You hate Trump, so you simply don't even consider it.

Read em and weep.

https://thumbor.forbes.com/thumbor/960x0/https%3A%2F%2Fblogs-images.forbes.com%2Frexsinquefield%2Ffiles%2F2016% 2F11%2FREXGRAPH1-1-e1480455886722.jpg

I reject your premise that slower growth is a bad thing, or faster growth is a good thing. I will point out that Belichick had an excellent organization to build a team for the long term, while the dufus dominates a team of sycophants and white collar criminals more akin to a MOB boss than a professional governing body.

I weep because you ignore the dufus jailbirds and the biggest impediment to a great economy at this time and that's the dufus incompetence to lead a recovery by controlling the economy destroying COVID virus!

I reject your premise that slower growth is a bad thing, or faster growth is a good thing.Well of course you do, considering that Obama had slow growth and Trump has had faster growth. It would follow as the night follows the day. Only a died in the wool Obama sycophant (Yeah, I copied your word) would make such a statement. No economist on the planet would agree with you.


the biggest impediment to a great economy at this time and that's the dufus incompetence to lead a recovery by controlling the economy destroying COVID virus!Unstop your ears and open your eyes. The U.S. economy has weathered this virus better than just about any other major world economy.

Well of course you do, considering that Obama had slow growth and Trump has had faster growth. It would follow as the night follows the day. Only a died in the wool Obama sycophant (Yeah, I copied your word) would make such a statement. No economist on the planet would agree with you.

Pretty broad statement to cover and defend the dufus a$$. Slow but steady wins the race. Unless of course you prefer those get rich quick schemes that require little work or forethought.


Unstop your ears and open your eyes. The U.S. economy has weathered this virus better than just about any other major world economy.

If you ignore the death toll, rising as we speak which is easy when you put profits over people. Look around a see those that bear the brunt of the dufus open up the economy and ignore the virus.

Well Obama was certainly the master of slow. No doubt about that.

Speaking of slow, you right wing devious dufus defenders are cordially invited to weigh in on the CURRENT EVENT breaking in the news.

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/proof-dufus-lies-his-off-847654.html (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/proof-dufus-lies-his-off-847654.html)

Speaking of slow, you right wing devious dufus defenders are cordially invited to weigh in on the CURRENT EVENT breaking in the news.

Trump gave another bizarre news conference re Woodward's book and his recording of Trump.

Brook Baldwin summed it up nicely, "President Trump doubled down on his pack of lies. He wasn't trying to avoid a panic, he was trying to get re-elected".

You know you would think one thread is enough but now we have three saying the same thing

LOL -

This is too big for one thread Clete, and promises to be all over the news and we look forward to the dufus and his ilk defending him with the usual fake news, hoax, or some conspiracy crap, when we have his own words. Where are those right wing conservatives devious dufus defenders NOW?

Who gives such an interview in the first place but a dufus? 18 of them?

everything trump says and does is interpreted and blown up by liberal media, again read the transcript, listen to the interview, nothing to see here

You know you're a winger when you talk like one.

You know you're a winger when you talk like one.
I am neither a winger of a dinger, but seek the balance it comes from living in a place where there is less extremism and partisan politics

I am neither a winger of a dinger, but seek the balance it comes from living in a place where there is less extremism and partisan politics

You fooled me sorry.

"everything trump says and does is interpreted and blown up by liberal media, again read the transcript, listen to the interview, nothing to see here"

Sounds winger to me or you Aussies sound just like Americans sometimes.

You fooled me sorry.

"everything trump says and does is interpreted and blown up by liberal media, again read the transcript, listen to the interview, nothing to see here"

Sounds winger to me or you Aussies sound just like Americans sometimes.

Sometimes we speak the same language, sometimes not. Our perspective is unique since your outcomes have less impact on us than they do on you, we are, for the most part, interested observers

everything trump says and does is interpreted and blown up by liberal media, again read the transcript, listen to the interview, nothing to see here

You're losing it, paraclete. This statement is the height of untruth when describing what Trump says. Hard to believe you actually wrote it down and posted it here. Where have you been the last few decades? The interview couldn't possibly be more clear showing Trump for the evil idiot he is.

You're losing it, paraclete. This statement is the height of untruth when describing what Trump says. Hard to believe you actually wrote it down and posted it here. Where have you been the last few decades? The interview couldn't possibly be more clear showing Trump for the evil idiot he is.

I'm not referring to everything he says, but in this instance it is over blown by the media. You assume that your President has total perception, but on the other hand you know he is a very flawed individual who isn't focused on anything but himself so unless he actually falls prey to the virus he doesn't understand it and relies on statistics like 5% as if he knows what 5% actually means. Has it killed 5% of infected in the US? no probably no more than 1% so Trump doesn't realise it but it really is no worse than the seasonal flu otherwise he would had said that and been lampooned for it

https://images.theweek.com/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/9_105_0.jpg?itok=ADAPfZpt

You can expect to see more of this silliness. First there was the now discredited Atlantic article. Then Woodward interviews Trump in March and makes it public two months before the election. Coincidence? Nah. And there is the predictably hyper, over the top reaction by the usual people, practically apoplectic concerning their views of Trump who are, I suppose, disappointed that Trump did not appear in public months ago with his hair on fire screaming, "Run for the hills! The virus is a comin!" They seem unable to consider this simple question: If Trump had been engaged in purposeful lying, then why would he have allowed himself to be interviewed by the very guy who took down Nixon and then "spilled the beans" to him? And if Woodward, after the interview, knew that Trump had been lying and that a dangerous pandemic was coming down the highway, why didn't he go public the very next day with that information? Sorry, but something about this whole story smells of a political hatchet job.

But at the end of the day, even if it somehow all turns out to be true, the sad fact remains that the only alternative to Trump is a far left-wing ticket led by a guy who cannot think clearly. Good luck with that.

You have options. You can hold your nose again for the lying cheating dufus, hold your nose for the far left gaffe machine, or stay home and just add THIS (https://shop.libertyjournalists.com/yourpresent2/?cep=BxZV3xJFPVQam5di5ZLvfCN2c9v8UEEbhYwqqiFvkOl6v ObiGYbENbtK952X3MaVa4NWbFyMDudhA67agEG6P0JaXHwc5oE UMUMjwuzk6kCYJTykbY2-0sChs-rTTVAvr6QQXkgiYlwOUi604e3ULmMnMHo4aEFsk3WDs8H7u743 u5de6Q1wDmoOT-qk6ovFMWsG7tKrwFf1YfVv6TpeEXd1wx0t3pLAGrfRZJy3Bz4t o5MIPy43tb2Zf1ntXzvkwHLQ4JjRg5vV9ZskuRgxxqoWZbtHXq 6XDMccXqjt9yRempk5Bd7ZvktBLqD1Rhd0H0rChEGtEn-wlnf_7tZPZ38kZRYSR-QJHG4xkbhQr2N5tmDTV8Ia_STCQNkpnG_0Tzi__dOvQ_6Iautp Ld0YqeaD8jwaqLCVYP61awhE3kHCjezvvt6tD8i8ZjCafXNbH9 xzdSA_4rS54T3aPu2xbrpegKYKNLymcvHXmXTGh01DHqu8iUce 4Z8CZ6sHp-jJJA2UPEa-RsQ9EdLHpzgasNzucekHNuSf7QYBHULInW8uary8nu8A8vMH8P bFtuAcjLbjL770bUbTYRsASivfRw&lptoken=15609979746d57d99590&oty=9tx0xGahRdUWRQDIC2-Bv44fDQxQ5qQBZ7k0x9uFvAKiRvVeKpa7v5JLDSQrsZx5D4PFM pWkk-TrzSGwzTryiK_DJ-5dMf2tF2XhpAuL7_KDccdescD3QQ0jqVrDFiiIRJnXd3A3DRUD 8qhEK1E_wOMSC7NC9SWzTk2s_PQokCJPZtZ4T1UJSfdYwjDmMj 923HohwT7RMoeUfStiBiZsQehcdV2n9jA9r8tn3GvweEqP6Bao kJuZxNllXbEOFHP4oDRxT1BF_rk1ymEHlPcV2YyUbCEAe66GfI Ktyt__nU721X-Xe59Fqlh8gCo_kGkqgGNSklfAB5d7R9xzaLSKgQKIRbpmHWUxy BFWmZJ82No4sOOvDbANqKmaTo1GXjAuduM9Y6fwkVOnpzGDXcx sJzIr1RKQcAY0T6etlfpQGHmwPGgZkqNAcXmydd58EWXe6w7k2 HgVrI8Z1DoAawP_mxHtKKfD6LOS9qgNqgj0ZpysX1N2dlUp3Ub QVSeK_20Q1b9ZUBzdrTwY4Bl0UTIQ2LKHA4CUxQVpTkV-XsDb_B-kPgcCW0_QA36GJqpXwTflq-pqwGZKgtXKj12eICm3UyvXHu6ZtnuKXcMbyNdlMqmT8kHk8YUa s81xNUVJCL9jm4iQQY9g26LUq90d1PqUWJZqPzncwXbnfHoisZ aQZoskDGptWhIrhsqoL_iYLsZsTJofsrWDoCvVEs72LJyquAoY touHTOmvV1XG80AsMjv2BI9vvXaDY_EnRIWux6sa2e6teuRFVI KAVzxibH9rXg&rev_campaign_id=390908&rev_campaign_id=390908&utm_source=revcontent&rc_uuid=f5f47832-8be4-448f-a53f-798b98e77872#)to your collection of empty snake oil bottles.

Or get you some popcorn and a Netflix subscription to avoid the hearings about yet another whistleblower squealing on the dufus (https://news.yahoo.com/dhs-whistleblower-intelligence-on-russian-election-interference-withheld-because-it-made-trump-look-bad-213702137.html), and all the coverage and campaign commercials that are surely coming to a TV near you.

From experience it's more fun to blast the opposition than defend the incumbents, especially a bumbling fumbling liar, who cheats and steals and talks bookoo crap from behind the podium of the highest office in the world.

Option TWO is the choice for you and give your poor pinched nose a break.

A bumbling fumbling liar? Is Obama running again??

No but his VP Joe is promising a return to common sense and stability, with responsible governance, unlike the current devious dufus. I know, a low bar to overcome.

Joe is promising a return to common sense and stability, with responsible governance, You are living in a fantasy world. Read AOC's Green New Deal, which JB has endorsed, and then come back and let's talk about "common sense".

You are living in a fantasy world. Read AOC's Green New Deal, which JB has endorsed, and then come back and let's talk about "common sense".
If we don't do something like this soon, we'll all be engulfed in flames like the West Coast is now and be devastated by storms like the recent Lake Charles hurricane and the derecho/tornado just a mile north of me -- ripped-up trees, branches everywhere, no electricity and internet, destroyed buildings, blocked roads, human injuries and deaths.

You are living in a fantasy world. Read AOC's Green New Deal, which JB has endorsed, and then come back and let's talk about "common sense".

I have reviewed it and it's a start to a conversation rebus/conservatives want no part of. Now Mitch blames dems because his repub skinny covid bill failed. DUH! He knew the rules. If he needed dem votes then he compromises with the dems.

He didn't.


If we don't do something like this soon, we'll all be engulfed in flames like the West Coast is now and be devastated by storms like the recent Lake Charles hurricane and the derecho/tornado just a mile north of me -- ripped-up trees, branches everywhere, no electricity and internet, destroyed buildings, blocked roads, human injuries and deaths.

Repubs don't want green jobs, they want dirty nasty land air and water. They don't believe in Climate change no matter how funky the weather is.

I have reviewed it and it's a start to a conversation rebus/conservatives want no part of.No, it's not. That's like saying WW2 was a start to a conversation about world peace. The GND is a proposal involving tens of trillions of dollars and massive changes in American lives. It is insane.


Repubs don't want green jobs, they want dirty nasty land air and water. They don't believe in Climate change no matter how funky the weather is.You do realize our national output of CO2 has been declining for a number of years thanks, in large degree, to the increased use of natural gas. That would never have happened if we had listened to the zany dems who did not want fracking to take place. If we had listened to them, we would not be producing so much natural gas and would not be energy independent.

Now I realize that liberal dems do not like data, but here is some more for you to chew on.

https://ourworldindata.org/co2/country/united-states?country=~USA

If we don't do something like this soon, we'll all be engulfed in flames like the West Coast is now and be devastated by storms like the recent Lake Charles hurricane and the derecho/tornado just a mile north of me -- ripped-up trees, branches everywhere, no electricity and internet, destroyed buildings, blocked roads, human injuries and deaths.You act like wildfires, hurricanes and other storms are all recent inventions.

Top 5 Years with most Violent Tornadoes (F/EF 4/5) 626 total
1974 – 38
1965 – 31
1957 – 26
1953 – 22
2011 – 22

All nice data talking points and rock throwing, but all I want to know is why the dufus lies and you believe it, and defend him?

I guess the same reason you had for believing and defending Obama's lies. Right?

It's disappointing to present solid data and have you just blow it off as "talking points", but it clearly proves that this was a valid statement. "Now I realize that liberal dems do not like data..."

I like data and the research that it entails.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/landig/article/PIIS2589-7500(20)30193-X/fulltext

https://fortune.com/2020/06/11/how-racism-covid-19-and-air-pollution-reveal-striking-patterns-of-inequality/

I like data and the research that it entails.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/landig/article/PIIS2589-7500(20)30193-X/fulltext

https://fortune.com/2020/06/11/how-racism-covid-19-and-air-pollution-reveal-striking-patterns-of-inequality/

I now know where it is easy to dig up such B/S two articles that say absolutely nothing that will derive a cure for CV19

Yeah. What garbage. Tal, you don't have any idea what the first article is saying. For instance, what does this mean?


Using these definitions, a provider might generate for every individual i a set of locations at spatial scale a for every time bin t in the time window T. The values for a can be directly mapped to larger regions of aggregation A. For example, for a given user, one can calculate their location as defined by presence in a 600 m × 600 m Bing Tile (a: zoom level 16)37 (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/landig/article/PIIS2589-7500(20)30193-X/fulltext#bib37)
for every 30 min segment (t) over the course of 24 h (T). Every Bing Tile is also mapped onto a county A for which all data are aggregated. We define this set of time-specific locations as


MiT={ait1,ait2,...,aitn}



As for the second article, it simply says what we have known for months. Black Americans have been hit harder by the virus than other Americans. It attributes that largely to SES, which is no surprise and basically amounts to saying that poor people are more likely to have problems with the virus.

So what's your point, other than to deflect away from the obvious reality that you don't pay any attention to data that doesn't agree with your preconceived notions?

Mr. Biden's top flight mind at work again. Can't wait for the debates where he will have to think on his feet and all of the media not named FoxNews will be scrambling to defend him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rf8BHFGqlQo

And then there was his reference to, in his view, the supreme importance of the Declaration of Independence. Sadly, he could not remember it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIVJCDwZUkM

If we don't do something like this soon, we'll all be engulfed in flames like the West Coast is now and be devastated by storms like the recent Lake Charles hurricane and the derecho/tornado just a mile north of me -- ripped-up trees, branches everywhere, no electricity and internet, destroyed buildings, blocked roads, human injuries and deaths. no hysterical over reaction here

no hysterical over reaction here
No empathy from a fellow NYer....

the only thing in your comment that is human caused is the wild fires due to poor land management .

the only thing in your comment that is human caused is the wild fires due to poor land management .
And how would YOU have managed the land? Swept (raked?) the forest floor?

yeah . You can mock him for the way he said it ;but clearing underbrush and controlled (prescribed ) fires in the right weather condition ;creating fire breaks by opening up the lands for recreation purposes like creating hiking trails ;logging old growth trees ,are all a part of logical land management . It is a decades lack of such management that have fueled the intensity of forest fires (which are inevitable and natural occurring events . )

Something else lefties don't like to talk about because it doesn't support their narrative; ; Many of the fires are intentionally set by arsonists .

https://www.khq.com/fires/officials-investigating-devastating-oregon-wildfire-as-possible-arson/article_34a5736c-f3c5-11ea-9ec6-bbd5b11bc1ac.html

https://www.wethegoverned.com/who-are-the-arsonists-setting-rural-fires-in-washington-state/

https://people.com/crime/california-man-charged-with-arson-after-turning-himself-in-for-starting-ranch-2-fire/

https://sfist.com/2020/08/21/santa-cruz-fire-destroys-big-basin-lodge-arsonist-arrested-in-big-sur-fire-that-is-now/

https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/australia-us-japan-and-india-join-forces-to-counter-china/news-story/03b2a3fd09579f8c83e4912ab5191421Well the US is signing on for a stouch with China over the Indian border clashes so we will see which of Trump's losers he sends

You guys are signed on as well. I wish we would learn to mind our own business. Any intervention we provide will be roundly criticized and completely unappreciated. Perhaps we should encourage the Aussies, Japanese, and India to pony up with enough funding to defend themselves rather than counting on us to do it for them.

I'm all for a Quad alliance . It is going to take a coalition to stop China's aggression. It will be too late if we wait for them to expand to our back yard . Did Tibet have a chance to defend themselves against Chinese occupation ? Can all the countries in the South China Sea defend themselves against China ? Australia knows the Chinese are coming after them for their minerals .While the Chinese were weaker they settled for trade agreements . They don't want to rely on the uneven trade practices they have gotten away with .They are approaching the day where they will be able to take what they want . See the 9 dash line to understand that the Chinese could care less about legitimate internationally recognized borders . The US cannot afford to look the other way . Too much shipping freight travels through the South China Sea .

The US cannot afford to look the other way .I get your point and it's a valid one, but we cannot continue to overspend by a trillion dollars a year. A day of reckoning is coming. I'm not convinced we can afford to join this when the other three countries are relying on us to keep from having to pull their own weight in defense. We spend 3.4% of GDP on defense. India is at 2.4%, Australia is 1.9%, and Japan less than 1%. That needs to be set right. China, by the way, is at 1.9%.

The spending is a valid point . That has been Trump's beef with the NATO nations . I'll take them one at a time . India .They were non-aligned during the Cold War ,often in the Soviet block As a result we ended up in alliances with nations that were against our interest like Pakistan . India comes from the Anglosphere and should be a natural ally with us .They are the world's largest democracy and are uniquely situated geographically to put an instant stop to Chinese ambitions . This is why the President has put such an emphasis in forging a good relationship with Indian PM Modi .

Japan . I am unsure where they will go now that Abe has announced his retirement . Their defense spending is the result of the end of WWII and our dictate that they don't spend on military. That arrangement is out of date . Japan under Abe was taking the steps to increase their military budget and commitments .They have actively participated in Operation Enduring Freedom in Afghanistan . They are on the flank of the 1st island chain containing China's ambition to expand out to the deep Blue Pacific .

Australia clearly underspends on it's military and they know it . June they announced a 40% increase in spending . They recognize the China threat they are facing , and PM Morrison knows it . Australia has ponied up and has had troop commitments and casualties in every conflict we have been involved in for the last 100 years ....and they purchase tons of US military hardware (including that pig the F-35 ....their 1st squadron will be operational next year . ) Some of our most sensitive military training happens in Australia . We joint operate the Pine Gap satellite surveillance base where NSA Echelon basically spied on the world . Economically we are joined at the hip .We are the largest investor in Australia ;and we are also Australia's largest destination for foreign investment . We share their commitment to western democratic governance and institutions . We share their values more than with any other nation .....a commitment to the rule of law, religious liberty, free speech ;debate that provides the foundation for prosperity and security. If I was forced to live anywhere else on the planet ,Australia would be my destination (despite all their flaws like gun control.) China cannot be a wedge in this special relationship.

June they announced a 40% increase in spending .That is sure a move in the right direction. They have historically been very competent.


Economically we are joined at the hip .Except that our hip is greatly larger than theirs. But they are certainly a natural ally.

Thanks for the vote of confidence Tom but we don't get involved in the conflicts of others for the sake of it and with the CV19 contraction I'm sure our spending is a bigger percentage of the national take because a percentage of GDP is just a meaningless statistic, the question is what bang do you get for your buck

Percentage of gdp is how it’s done. Practically everyone spends less than us but then just expect us to make up the difference. And saying “Thanks,” is a rarity.

Percentage of gdp is how it’s done. Practically everyone spends less than us but then just expect us to make up the difference. And saying “Thanks,” is a rarity.

The real question is why do you spend as much as you do? Why do you feel the need to dominate the world with your military might? Ok, you have been attacked a couple of times in your history and your history has been a turbulent one of both internal and external conflict but you have no enemies on your borders. Because we have no enemies on our borders we don't feel the need to build up our military power and maintain a standing military numbering millions and you criticise us because we don't do as you do as if you are the standard by which we should measure ourselves. What does the Bible say about those who measure themselves by themselves? it does not say you are wise


Certainly, when they measure themselves by themselves and compare themselves to themselves, they show how foolish they are. 3. 1 Thessalonians 4:11-12

You miss the point. I'm the one advocating that we mind our own business and let you guys take care of yourselves, or at least until you are willing to do what it takes to defend yourself. It does strike me as strange for a country with "no enemies on our borders" to be so eager to enter into a defense alliance with us, India, and Japan. Now if the Chinese show up someday, I will be happy to tell you to call someone else for help.

You miss the point. I'm the one advocating that we mind our own business and let you guys take care of yourselves, or at least until you are willing to do what it takes to defend yourself. It does strike me as strange for a country with "no enemies on our borders" to be so eager to enter into a defense alliance with us, India, and Japan. Now if the Chinese show up someday, I will be happy to tell you to call someone else for help.

We have been in a defence alliance with you for 70 years or more. We were one of the allies in WWI and WWII, something you seem to forget, as you conveniently do that we were fully committed in both wars before you got off your collective arses, so don't talk to us about holding up our end, we have done that for more than a century. We lack the population you enjoy so our committments seem modest to you, but our committment to our own defence is not small but tempered by both our financial resources and our population. We had a million under arms in WWII, a very large percentage of our population, so when it comes down to it we make the sacrifice, but we do not go around telling other nations how much they should spend on acquiring arms, most of which you provide. We are not slaves to your military-industrial complex

Have it your way. I am not deriding you guys, but I am saying I am tired of anyone and everyone thinking they have some claim to our help when they are funding their own defense at a rate that's half of ours and seem to delight in expressions such as "before you got off your collective arses." So my solution is for us to mind our own business as we sit on our arses with a balanced budget while you sink or swim on your own. It's like I've said before. We help other nations, and we get insulted in return. It gets old really quickly.

I doubt the covid virus will allow for a balanced budget, any time soon, but has exposed all our weaknesses that have gone unaddressed and left us unprepared to meet it's challenges. Passing the buck is the new normal starting at the top. Playing it down has effectively dumbed us down.

We haven't had a balanced budget in twenty years. The virus is just the latest excuse.

Have it your way. I am not deriding you guys, but I am saying I am tired of anyone and everyone thinking they have some claim to our help when they are funding their own defense at a rate that's half of ours and seem to delight in expressions such as "before you got off your collective arses." So my solution is for us to mind our own business as we sit on our arses with a balanced budget while you sink or swim on your own. It's like I've said before. We help other nations, and we get insulted in return. It gets old really quickly.

Balanced budget, that concept eludes you, even if you stopped all your military expenditure that wouldn't go half way to balancing your budget. As to you minding your own business, another concept that eludes you. You guys have splinters in your bum from sitting on the fence and when you do get off it, recently you have been getting off on the wrong side. We are allies but nothing says if you pick a fight we have to support you

Like I said. Have it your way. Honestly, sometimes I think nothing would delight me more than to see arrogant little nations like yours getting clobbered while we get to set that one out as opposed to spilling American blood for a group that has no gratitude and only a boatload of criticism. Now I know we likely won't do that, but it would certainly be justice in action.

I doubt the covid virus will allow for a balanced budget, any time soon, but has exposed all our weaknesses that have gone unaddressed and left us unprepared to meet it's challenges. Passing the buck is the new normal starting at the top. Playing it down has effectively dumbed us down.

Did you expect anything different from the guy you call dufus, he is as dumb as three wooden planks layed end on end as the scots would say. he obviously thinks you are as dumb as he is and just maybe he has a point

Did you expect anything different from the guy you call dufus, he is as dumb as three wooden planks layed end on end as the scots would say. he obviously thinks you are as dumb as he is and just maybe he has a point

I'm not dumb enough to believe anything the dufus says, or shocked when he lies, cheats, and steals. I rather expect that of him. He has not failed in that regard either.

or shocked when he lies, cheats, and steals. I wonder how shocked you were at Obama's lying and cheating?

Stop wondering, because the sheer volume of the dufus untruths and deviousness is unmatched in the history of man and that's just counting his 3 years in office so far...without adding his stupid tweets.

Sure it is. Greater than all the history of man!! Hmmm. I’m afraid you’ve gone off the deep end.

I wonder how shocked you were at Obama's lying and cheating?
Obama is history. Now is what matters.

ah the yesteryears

It didn’t matter to you when he was in office, so your protests ring hollow now.

It didn’t matter to you when he was in office, so your protests ring hollow now.
And you know that how?

Because you absolutely refuse to be honest about him now. It’s plain.

I like Ike.

Hauling you into 2020, Trump is the president and currect topic.

Like I said. Your refusal of honesty gives you away.

Like I said. Your refusal of honesty gives you away.
I have absolutely NO clue what you mean by that.

I think you do.

I think you do.
If you're talking about Obama, then I say, "WHO???" He's history. I was too busy with personal and health problems to be swooning over him.

I guess so.

a lot of rear gunners around here. you do know that rear gunners never see where they are going?

If it was so bad that we lefties let Obama get away with so much as you keep saying, then explain why is it okay for the right to let the dufus get away with just as much, and even more?

So you agree that it was bad for you lefties to let Obama, "get away with so much"? Well, at least that's some progress being made.

No I don't agree at all. I simply asked a question. It is you who calls the lefts behavior toward Obama bad, certainly not I. Why is your behavior toward the dufus any better?

That's what is wrong with your approach. You love Obama, so you wouldn't let wild horses drag a negative comment about him out of your mouth. You hate Trump, so you refuse to acknowledge anything positive about him. It's that inconsistency that I object to. Your moral outrage makes no impression because of it.

Now to answer your question, it is certainly not OK for conservatives to allow Trump to "get away with" illegal behavior. However, at some point you have to actually come up with illegal behavior. We've gone through a bogus impeachment hearing and a bogus Atlantic article. You've come up with nothing, but you want to continue your whining campaign against the pres in the hope that you can get Biden elected. That's thoroughly dishonest, and that's why I call you out on it.

That's what is wrong with your approach. You love Obama, so you wouldn't let wild horses drag a negative comment about him out of your mouth. You hate Trump, so you refuse to acknowledge anything positive about him. It's that inconsistency that I object to. Your moral outrage makes no impression because of it.

I don't remember you or the RWing saying positive things about Obama, quite the opposite, so is that hate for Obama? Why do you expect the left to do what you didn't do? That was the question.


Now to answer your question, it is certainly not OK for conservatives to allow Trump to "get away with" illegal behavior. However, at some point you have to actually come up with illegal behavior. We've gone through a bogus impeachment hearing and a bogus Atlantic article. You've come up with nothing, but you want to continue your whining campaign against the pres in the hope that you can get Biden elected. That's thoroughly dishonest, and that's why I call you out on it.

So we are dishonest for whining about the dufus, but it's okay for you to whine about Biden, and that's not thoroughly dishonest? If you can be partisan why can't we? Your approach has as many flaws as mine does. We both want our guys elected. Your inconsistent moral outrage is as partisan as mine. Mine is just a lot more CURRENT!

You can whine all you want. No problem with that. But it's the holier than thou pontificating about Trump's supposedly illegal behavior that should be backed up by some evidence.

Partisanship? Maybe. I'd probably be more likely to refer to it as issues based voting. I'll vote for anyone of either party that will agree to appoint fed judges who believe in interpreting law rather than making laws up, and who can help maintain a healthy economy. I would add something about a balanced budget, but that is presently hopeless. We'll just have to learn the hard way.

Nobody here has a more holier than thou attitude than thee, but so what? It's yours to have and no big deal for me.