Inspector Clouseau brought down a bakers dozen of indictments yesterday against Ruskies working out of St Petersburg .(taking bets right now on the chances of ever getting those charged onto US soil).The charge is that they dressed up like American snowflakes in pajamas, in their mother's basement ,and covertly set up front groups on social media to organize rallies for and against candidates Trump and Evita . This is deja vu all over again . It's like we are in the Cold War Again .It's like some KGB guy is running Russia . Oh wait that's right ...there is a KGB dude running Russia.

This is not collusion . It is called desinformatsyia .


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Also wondering if any of these are the same Ruskies the emperor expelled Dec 2016 ??

Quick show of hands . How many people here changed their vote because of a Facebook or Twitter ad ?

We have no way of knowing what minds were changed if any, but what of the next election? Or LOCAL elections. I take heed when someone shows me what they are capable of, whether it worked or not. The only question is now that we are aware of yet another lie by the Dufus in chief concerning the witch hunt stuff, what will he do about it?

Will he be a tough guy to Vlad, or will he keep being a WUSS? Will he keep lying about this being a witch hunt? Or call for an end to the investigation because Mueller found the "witches"!

You can bet Mueller ain't done yet! He no doubt is investigating Russian hacking and following the dirty money of the criminals. MO' POPCONE!!!!

umm as far as I can tell it was the emperor who was playing poodle to Putie . I clearly heard him on open mike tell Medvedev that he would be more flexible after the election of 2012 . In fact I recall him mocking Mittens when he suggested that Russia was our greatest geopolitical threat . As far as I can tell he cooperated with Russia in Syria allowing them to get a foot hold in the ME they hadn't had since the days of Nasser . Did you not see the emperor's Ukraine policy of appeasement ? Did the emperor and Evita not collude to sell American uranium to Russia ?

Most of Mueller's indictments are based on well known facts from 2014 before Trump even entered the race .The question then becomes why didn't the emperor move on them before the campaign began ? The only conclusion I can come up with is the one that 2 FBI lovers came up with . They wanted an insurance policy against a Trump win ;something to pin on him when he entered the White House . The American people are footing the bill for this foolishness. If Putie was trying to make the American political process look foolish he could've saved himself some money and assets .The emperor has polluted the political and justice systems beyond recognition .

Trump has seized this a lifeline, he can clearly point to people linked to a Russian oligarch, but the trail leads back to Putin

umm as far as I can tell it was the emperor who was playing poodle to Putie . I clearly heard him on open mike tell Medvedev that he would be more flexible after the election of 2012 . In fact I recall him mocking Mittens when he suggested that Russia was our greatest geopolitical threat . As far as I can tell he cooperated with Russia in Syria allowing them to get a foot hold in the ME they hadn't had since the days of Nasser . Did you not see the emperor's Ukraine policy of appeasement ? Did the emperor and Evita not collude to sell American uranium to Russia ?

Most of Mueller's indictments are based on well known facts from 2014 before Trump even entered the race .The question then becomes why didn't the emperor move on them before the campaign began ? The only conclusion I can come up with is the one that 2 FBI lovers came up with . They wanted an insurance policy against a Trump win ;something to pin on him when he entered the White House . The American people are footing the bill for this foolishness. If Putie was trying to make the American political process look foolish he could've saved himself some money and assets .The emperor has polluted the political and justice systems beyond recognition .

Your facts are way off Mueller's indictments are from FACTS that occurred in 2016. They found out this operation began in 2014, and the scope was unknown until recently.

2 years before Trump announced . The question remains ...the emperor did nothing about Russian "interference " until AFTER the election results were in. Why was that ?
I have a running theory . The Ruskies wanted to create chaos . So they peddled anti-Trump stuff to the Clintonistas who brought what Comey called salacious and unverified information to the FISA court to spy on the Trump campaign . They got snookered by the Ruskies . At the same time the Ruskies though clowns like Snowjob and Julian Assange hacked the more vulnerable ,because clear protocols were being violated and ignored ,emails from Evita's and the DNC's computers and cell phones . They then tried to peddle this stuff to herr Donald's campaign. They played both sides for the fools and chumps they are . The difference between the 2 sides is that the emperor gave the Clintoons access to the intel and justice agencies of the nation . This Twitter and Facebook Russian effort is more reminiscent of the gang that can't shoot straight and beneath the capabilities of the Ruskies . I think it was a diversion. Does anyone think there were a significant number of people who were undecided going into the fall of 2016 ? Please ! And how many of them get their major news feeds from Facebook or Twitter ?

I have a theory too. Trump owes Russian banks, and oligarchs and Vlad wants him to pay up with interest.

It's as good a theory as any, the KBG was good at these tactics, so it would be out of the Vlad playbook. This makes Trump the Manchurian candidate

nah the Manchurian candidate was groomed for the position. Trump will serve his term and still not understand what being President means .

We may have to start calling The Dufus, Trump The Chump.

I'm going back to Dump

Another one bites the dust!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/mueller-probe-london-based-son-of-russian-businessman-to-plead-guilty-to-false-statements/2018/02/20/142f4d2e-164b-11e8-b681-2d4d462a1921_story.html?utm_term=.72da3256d266



U.S. prosecutors in the office of special counsel Robert S. Mueller III said the case involving Alex Van der Zwaan was related to former Trump 2016 presidential campaign manager Paul Manafort.

Flynn update :

A motion by Michael Flynn to withdraw his guilty plea based on government misconduct is likely in the works.Friday, Judge Emmet Sullivan issued an order in United States v. Flynn directing Robert Mueller’s team to provide Flynn’s attorneys “any exculpatory evidence.”
https://www.scribd.com/document/370672707/Flynn-Order

The order stresses that if Mueller has such evidence but believes it is not “material” and therefore that Flynn is not entitled to disclosure of it, Mueller must show the evidence to the court so that Judge Sullivan may decide whether to mandate its disclosure.

This is why the judge delayed Flynn's sentencing . I have already on a number of times pointed out how Flynn got railroaded by Mueller .

If there is anything in this information witheld from Flynn and his lawyers that the Flynn team is not aware of ;it could be grounds for Flynn to reverse his plea . Sullivan’s order supersedes the plea agreement that Flynn was muscled into signing ;that included Flynn waiving rights to "any further discovery or disclosures of information not already provided” .

Interesting and we will see how Mueller reacts to the judges proclamation.

There is really noting to see here, it is a smokescreen

Yes it is . We are supposed to believe that Ruskie bots and pajama boys are going to take down our system. Meanwhile in 2015 the Chinese hacked into the US government OPM targeting the records of over 20 million Americans . That news was met by a collective yawn because it happened during the emperor's watch .

The left is unhinged . On one hand they say that Trump is mentally unstable .Then they say he should have a strong response to Ruskie pajama boys .

... they say that Trump is mentally unstable .Then they say he should have a strong response to Ruskie pajama boys .


Of course, he's mentally unstable. Is there any doubt? Where have you been during the last year and the previous year's candidacy? His lack of response to Putin and friends indicates at best, he's a woos - at worst, he's committed treason.

Being blackmailed by Russia is not new. He's already been successfully blackmailed by two women due to his sexual excesses. He uses his lawyers as bagmen to keep his hands clean. But it didn't work this time, did it?

The dems memo has been released and you can read it here.

https://www.scribd.com/document/372309339/HSPCI-minority-memo#from_embed

What took them so long to release this ? I could've used a black magic marker over anything worth reading also.
On one hand they say that the dossier wasn't used to obtain the FISA warrant yet they are defending it as a valid source for obtaining a FISA warrant. So which is it?

Why doesn't Schiff memo address Rosenstein statements in the Nunes memo that if it weren't for the dossier they wouldn't been able to get warrant?
Schiff fails to explain why, if evidence of Page’s past activities was so compelling, then why was the dossier used in the FISA application at all, much less formed the “bulk” of the Page FISA application. Dep Director FBI Andrew McCabe testified that they would not have gone for the FISA warrants without the dossier .In fact the Schiff memo downplays the significance of the Steele dossier and then goes into details about the steps used to verify it ....all contrary to what Comey and McCabe have testified. In fact Comey is on record as calling the dossier salacious and unverified .

Page 4 ;the FBI independently verified parts of the dossier ;but that part is completely blacked out of the Schiff memo. What it DOES verify is the claim Trump made that he was being spied on when he claimed it and a year before that.
The House Repubs issued a point by point rebuttal if you want to read it .

https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/democrat_memo_charge_and_response.pdf

In about one month or so Inspector General Horowitz will release his report, which the Democrats initiated because of Comeys actions towards Evita , and things should take a very different direction and interpretation.

You know the old sayings... Don't count your chickens... and... Be careful what you ask for.

Applies to both sides doesn't it?

Acting Deputy Director Andrew McCabe was fired Friday night. McCabe is a key witness in the collusion/obstruction phase of the Mueller investigation.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/fbi’s-andrew-mccabe-is-fired-a-little-more-than-24-hours-before-he-could-retire/ar-BBKk6aZ?li=BBnb7Kz&OCID=ansmsnnews11

The lawyer for the Dufus wasted no time calling for the Mueller investigation to be shutdown.

Trump's lawyer calls for Russia probe to be shut down | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/03/17/trumps-lawyer-calls-for-russia-probe-to-be-shut-down.html)

Are we seeing conspiracy, obstruction, and witness tampering done before our very eyes in a public way? Or is the Dufus getting very nervous after the subpoena of his business documents? OR ALL THE ABOVE? I just witnessed Dufus business facilitator Felix Slater admit in an interview last week that he and The Dufus were negotiating with a sanctioned Russian bank to finance the building of a Trump Tower in Moscow, while he was running for president.

http://www.businessinsider.com/felix-sater-confirms-trump-pursued-deal-with-sanctioned-russian-bank-2018-3

What the...!

Who said :
"First we Flynn, then we Trump." ?
Trump did not fire him . The IG was appointed by the emperor and confirmed by a Dem Senate . The FBI Office Of Professional Responsibility who recommended McCabe's firing was appointed by Mueller. Inspector General Horowitz's report is still coming.

Forget all this talk of McCabe losing pension . He is facing jail time .Let's not forget that he was forced out of his position in the FBI and that is why he was planning on retirement . (It's also perverse that a government worker can retire with full benefits at the age of 49 ....but that is a different discussion....$1.8 million ? Really ? ) Losing a pension for electioneering as a top official at the federal law enforcement arm is a LENIENT penalty.
Now we here he kept memos of his meetings with Trump AND the Comey notes ;and will now hand them over to Mueller . But if they were so damning to Trump then why did he wait until now to hand them over ?


Love Birds Peter Strzok and Lisa Page ...and Bruce Ohr should be next on the chop block.

You're right we should wait to get the IG report. No doubt they have found something to hang their hats on to fire the guy, just as they did Comey, and they wasted no time in doing so, which seems to be the plan from the get go. I have no doubt also that Trump is creeping closer to firing Mueller. Mueller's subpoena was a nail in that coffin. He will do anything NOT to testify. Can't blame him for that, since I bet Mueller has a lot of questions he doesn't want to answer and not just the one's I have alluded to in my previous post.

You do know no one gives a damn, don't you? We have had enough of this circus

Kushner business practices under scrutiny.

https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/jared-kushner-s-family-business-filed-false-documents-with-nyc-1.5913129

Mueller will need a bigger desk!

Bubba had to give testimony because he was the subject of a law suit . So far Trump is not charged with anything and there is no compelling reason for his to agree to an interview with Mueller or his thugs . Trump may eventually give a statement .But he holds all the cards to date as far as how and when this will be done . It could be no more than answering questions in written form . Or he could indeed fire Mueller although that would not be the wise course to follow .It could alienate some of his supporters in the swamp.

As for Kushner..... I've said it before ;you can't be in the real estate business in NYC and be clean. Trump should've never let this liberal puke in the White House anyway. Nepotism sucks. But I'm not a big fan of rent control . You should see how rent control apartments become sh*tholes in a short time . If I was an owner making no money on my building and being forced to accept below market rents I would be tempted to have a convenient fire . I certainly would not put a penny into maintenance .I know families that passed them down generationally ;where grandkids were paying the same rent as grandparents . Ask Charlie Rangel .He had 4 of them AS A US CONGRESSMAN ! If the building still had rent stabilized tenants then why didn't the city have records of it and deny Kushner's claim ? Which corrupt NYC Tammany Hall Democrat was getting paid off ?

Yes this fits Mueller's M.O. He went after Flynn's kid to force Flynn to plea to a crime he did not commit. He's trying to goad Trump into firing him .Then he comes off as a martyr instead of the inspector Javert/Clouseau character he really is . He knows he has nothing . Trump needs to fire Rosenstein. Then he needs to direct AG Sessions to cut off all funding for any investigation Mueller has pursued beyond the original charge of finding a clear case of Trump cooperating and colluding with the Russians to steal the election.


BTW did you know that il Duce Cuomo’s buddy and top aid, Joseph Percoco, just got convicted of 3 felonies ? Of course not . The MSM did all they could to bury the corruption of the Cuomo family of crime . Still waiting for the investigation at the state and federal level of the Clintoon Crime family.

You will wait a long time

I know ;
Comey and McCabe both kept detailed notes on their brief meetings with Trump. But on the crucial, very important Evita interrogation they made no notes or transcript ;AND Comey wrote his conclusions down BEFORE the interrogation of Evita happened . He wasn't even in the room !!!! And Evita was not put under oath during the interrogation !!

Mueller doesn't have to be present for an interrogation of Trump, and under oath or not it's still a crime to lie to the FBI. Now the Dufus isn't being interrogated by the FBI, but a special counsel, but that may be worse if the Dufus lies as he usually does. I don't recall Hillary having any private meetings with anybody investigating her, nor throwing rocks at them. So while Trump hollers no collusion, and witch hunt, ALL his associates and colleagues are CRIMINALS.

Today's SCANDAL

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/facebook-stock-plummets-amid-cambridge-analytica-scandal/ar-BBKqrdO

The Dufus and his boy's are scandal machines!

it's still a crime to lie to the FBI. yup ask McCabe about that .

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/facebook-stock-plummets-amid-cambridge-analytica-scandal/ar-BBKqrdO Didn't take the MSM long to find a diversion.

Are you familiar with ' Project Taargus ' ?



How the Obama Campaign Used Facebook to Connect with Young Voters | TIME.com (http://swampland.time.com/2012/11/20/friended-how-the-obama-campaign-connected-with-young-voters/)

Guess what Zuckerberg called Facebook users who trust him with their personal data ....
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/14/facebook_trust_dumb/

Yes that would be Mark Zuckerberg who may now run for President as a Democrat .
Cambridge Analytica's "breach" wasn't a breach at all. It happened almost entirely above board and in line with Facebook policy.

Guess what Zuckerberg called Facebook users who trust him with their personal data ....
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/14/facebook_trust_dumb/

Yes that would be Mark Zuckerberg who may now run for President as a Democrat .
Cambridge Analytica's "breach" wasn't a breach at all. It happened almost entirely above board and in line with Facebook policy.




Well surely a man who has achieved what he achieved has got to be better than Trump or Dilliary, besides he is a different generation

yes and he fits right in . he has the typical politician's contempt for the peons .

Obviously Facebook and Zuckerberg have grown and both need to make a lot of adjustments. Rules and regulations? I know Tomder, unbridled capitalism GOOD, rules and regulations BAD!

Very familiar with TARGUS, but unclear about TAARGUS. I also know Obama's app was a lot more transparent than what the Cambridge Analytical folks were pushing, and currently the ties to Russia (There they are again) are both questionable and disturbing.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/19/us/cambridge-analytica-alexander-nix.html

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/mar/17/cambridge-academic-trawling-facebook-had-links-to-russian-university

@Clete

https://www.arcamax.com/newspics/161/16106/1610617.gif

Cambridge Analytica, a data vendor for the Trump campaign, was phased out during the general election, CBS News reports. The firm is now at the center of reports that it exploited Facebook data and harvested millions of U.S. voter profiles without user authorization during the 2016 campaign.
The Trump campaign never used the psychographic data at the heart of a whistleblower who once worked to help acquire the data's reporting -- principally because it was relatively new and of suspect quality and value. The profiling approach utilized by Cambridge Analytica allowed it to predict the voting likelihoods of individual people based on personality, the firm claimed.

Then-candidate Trump's campaign used Cambridge Analytica during the primaries and in the summer because it was never certain the Republican National Committee would be a willing, cooperative partner. Cambridge Analytica instead was a hedge against the RNC, in case it wouldn't share its data.
The crucial decision was made in late September or early October when Mr. Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner and Brad Parscale, Mr. Trump's digital guru on the 2016 campaign, decided to utilize just the RNC data for the general election and used nothing from that point from Cambridge Analytica or any other data vendor. The Trump campaign had tested the RNC data, and it proved to be vastly more accurate than Cambridge Analytica's, and when it was clear the RNC would be a willing partner, Mr. Trump's campaign was able to rely solely on the RNC.



https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-campaign-phased-out-use-of-cambridge-analytica-data-before-election/

But let me ask you ;which one was more manipulative ...... Facebook and CA or the American legacy news media that was firehosing a message to all Americans non-stop that Evita was inevitably going to be our next president ???????????

I think in the climate of our elections both sides blow as much smoke up our arse as they can. My focus is on that Londoner who got the data and gave it to Russian operatives.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2017/10/12/russias-facebook-ads-show-how-internet-microtargeting-can-be-weaponized/?utm_term=.7ba204740bb7

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/mar/17/cambridge-academic-trawling-facebook-had-links-to-russian-university

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/christopher-wylie-cambridge-analytica-whistleblower-speaks-out-on-facebook-controversy/ar-BBKrJgx

Where's that IG report?

The IG report is due this week . I'm as interested in seeing it as you .

Yeah there does seem to have a Brit connection to this whole sordid tale.
My focus is on the Brit who hated Trump; who compiled (in Comey's words ) 'salacious and unverified ' information from the Russians ,and then created a very weak Op research "dossier " ....that was then used by the intel and justice depts of the emperor's regime to unconstitutionally get a court order for surveillance an opposing candidate .

http://thehill.com/opinion/technology/379245-whats-genius-for-obama-is-scandal-when-it-comes-to-trump

Conservatives join racist and stooges to make up the republican party. As long as that dynamic continues then they will be the victims of their own associations. Republicans have a lot of loonies running roughshod over the party, led by Trump, and you expect sympathy? That's whack.

I feel for conservatives, but they chose their allies, and leaders. They should stop blaming liberals, and clean their own house.

All leftism is based in constructing factional conflict in society so that they can take power by "saving us" from it.

All leftism is based in constructing factional conflict in society so that they can take power by "saving us" from it.


Not quite right tom, leftists actually believe we can be saved from ourselves, while rightist believe we should be ruled over by an elite

Not quite right Clete ; the lefts believe that the state can save humans from themselves while conservatives believe that humans are flawed including the ones that rule . James Madison stated the conservative view better than I can;


“But what is government itself, but the greatest of all reflections on human nature. If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In forming a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to control itself.”

—James Madison, The Federalist No. 51

Is that conservatism, or just common sense checks and balances and OVERSIGHT? Maybe the problem is not enough common sense conservatives, and too many right wing left hating loonies.

The left has been eroding checks and balances written into the Constitution for over 100 years . They say they are reforming and improving the existing society's imperfections and weaknesses without imperiling its basic nature. Ideas like the emperor's transformation of America is deemed innocuous, well intentioned, constructive ,but not a dangerous trespass on fundamental liberties. They strip humans of individuality and assign us to groups based on race, ethnicity, age, gender, income, etc..

It's very Hobbesian . ....create a Leviathan government run by people who know what's best for us. Human nature can't be trusted but the nature of a rulers can be trusted. They don't see that their utopia is in fact a tyranny.

Well said my consummate capitalist friend. Why can't elected officials follow the people's will and not that of the oligarchs you so admire? What you thought your reps write the law?

Oligarchy from the Greek word oligarkhes means "few governing."
If you recall I'm the one who supported the tea party movement to oust the beltway lifers .I'm the one who favors term limits for every branch of the government. Please don't talk to me about supporting oligarchs when the Dems stay in office until they are literally corpses .Madame Mim drools all over herself and is completely incoherent and is still the minority leader in the House .

But let's assume you are talking about supporting an oligarchy outside the government that controls the politicians . Then you must be talking about supporters of the Clintoon crime family .For decades, the Clintons have built their family political enterprise on contributions from the global ultra-rich; between their campaigns and the foundations the couple has raised $3 billion .

Besides the established Wall Street firms the family tapped into the next generation of financial oligarchs ;the tech industry .
Virtually all the leading tech titans—Google’s Eric Schmidt, Facebook’s Sheryl Sandberg, venture capitalist John Doerr, Qualcomm founder Irwin Jacobs, Box CEO Aaron Levie, and Tesla founder Elon Musk embraced Clinton and gave generously ,not only to Evita's campaign ,but also to their "foundation " aka money laundering service .
Trump did not get any such support during the campaign.

And when you talk of putting the fix on the campaign ;who did more to undermine democracy than Evita and her cronies in the DNC when they knee-capped Bolshevik Bernie ?

So now you're crying because dems have MORE oligarchs? Really? You don't think its really strange that Hillary has been investigated for decades, and The Dufus for a year, and who's hollering the loudest? You b1tch for Bernie, and Bernie ain't said sh1t. The Tea Party didn't win, guess who did? Conservatives are a minority in there own party, guess who runs things?

Nope you can't blame the libs for any of this since YO" BOY runs it now, so own it and be happy. All I can do is eat popcorn and throw darts at The Dufus! I'm cool with that. Plus it's my turn.

8D

not 'my boy ' I'm still a never Trumper . 2020 I'll still waste my vote on someone with no chance. That means it won't be the Dem either because they are making the fatal mistake that the Dems made when they chose McGovern as the nominee .

Not quite right Clete ; the lefts believe that the state can save humans from themselves while conservatives believe that humans are flawed including the ones that rule . James Madison stated the conservative view better than I can;

—James Madison, The Federalist No. 51


A very flawed argument Tom but I would expect you to revert to eighteenth century thinking, these fellows were only enlightened in their own eyes, they created a flawed system which two hundred years on has given rise to a government that is ungovernable

It's just the longest living democracy in the history of the world . Of course it is flawed because humans are flawed .That was Madison's point.
“Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others.”
(Churchill)

Aw Clete, every nation has a history of setbacks, reversals, delays, and challenges. Such a dim view of the TOP dog just means you ain't sh1t. Was that your point?

but I would expect you to revert to eighteenth century thinking, That itself is flawed thinking . I guess the thinking of Plato and Socrates should also be dismissed as irrelevant . How about Jesus ? His thinking was so 1st century AD .

Aw Clete, every nation has a history of setbacks, reversals, delays, and challenges. Such a dim view of the TOP dog just means you ain't sh1t. Was that your point?

Tal my point is isn't it time you tweeked the system a little.


It's just the longest living democracy in the history of the world . Of course it is flawed because humans are flawed .That was Madison's point.“Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others.”
(Churchill)

Tom, other systems of government have lasted longer, and work quite well, and of course it depends upon your definition of democracy. If your system is set in stone just so it can survive, it will eventually degenerate, the republic will give way to the empire, the demogoges will rule and you will have nothing, Look at Italy, full of ancient monuments and political turmoil

the genius of our founders is they put in a process to change within the system. It's been done 26 times . It should be done more often .


the genius of our founders is they put in a process to change within the system. It's been done 26 times . It should be done more often .

The Dufus just got a new lawyer, and National Security Advisor. That's some dumba$$ tweaks to an already Wacked House.

>GROAN<

Dump is wearing them out quickly, he probably does their head in, they think they know what policy is and he changes it, which way is the wind blowing today?

He hasn't mentioned Kim since they agreed to meet, he seems to be taking aim at China, leaving Vlad to consolidate his hold.

That was his excuse for firing McMaster and hiring Bolton to get his negotiating team together for talks with Kim.

John Bolton joins Trump's team -- Here's how he could advocate on North Korea, China, Russia and more | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/03/23/john-bolton-joins-trumps-team-heres-how-could-advocate-on-north-korea-china-russia-and-more.html)

Let the Dufus be a Dufus.

I have no problem with the foreign policy team of Bolton ,Pompeo , Nilkki Haley . But I find it interesting that he ran as a non-interventionist and they hardly fit the bill .

You didn't drink the koolaid, did you?

Yesterday Comey interview got 9.5 million viewers. Stormy Daniels had 9.8 million. Roseanne had 17 million. The IG report is out and it exposes the Comey FBI for the fraud it was .

The central premise of Comey’s whiney diatribe in book form is that Trump is ‘morally unfit’ to be President. Conceding that point ;what is the basis for the endless investigation except for a Javert like obsession with removing a President he thinks lack the moral authority for the job ?

Not so fast Tom. You can say McCabe and Comey are slobs all you want, but Trump is still surrounded by crooks and criminals on an international scale, and always has been. So how could he NOT be one too? Now they are lighting a fire under Cohen's butt.

This is very much a storm in a tea cup. Comey wants to get in some licks because Trump fired him and he is succeeding

This is very much a storm in a tea cup. Comey wants to get in some licks because Trump fired him and he is succeeding



The central premise of Comey’s whiney diatribe in book form is that Trump is ‘morally unfit’ to be President. Conceding that point ;what is the basis for the endless investigation except for a Javert like obsession with removing a President he thinks lack the moral authority for the job ?



He is a private citizen as entitled to his opinion as anyone, and lets face it the lying cheating bully of a president has been very vocal against anyone he feels threatened by. Good for the goose. I'm no Comey fan since he mistakenly decided on his own to clear Clinton of any wrong doing, instead of punting the judgement back to the DOJ, and making Lynch recuse herself and the next in line render what the next step would be.

I can't believe the right hollers about how long the Mueller investigation is taking when Clinton has been investigated repeatedly in all aspects of her life for DECADES. Surely we can recognize this double standard and the free pass repubs have given their own. Now we have the scrutiny of Trumps FIXER Cohen and that promises to be a long process as already Sean Hannity was named as a client, yet Hannity claims he never was.

We also have UN Haley announcing further sanctions on Russia and wake up to The Dufus nixing that the next day. This is after slow walking the congressional sanctions for a year and hasn't fully implemented them even. Yeah I want to know what's up with this Dufus dude.

You can't make this stuff up.

lol you call a couple of Congressional hearings ,and a friendly justice dept. rubber stamp clearing her of things anyone else would've been frog marched for, being "investigated" ?


You see how widespread and deep the swamp goes when you see who the judge is in the Michael Cohen matter . Kimba Wood . Does the name ring a bell ? She was in line to be Bubba's AG before he got cold feet because she had hired an illegal alien as a nanny . The difference was that his previous choice Zoe Baird had done it against the law while Wood had done it within acceptable legal requirements .Still it indicates that another judge with conflicts of interest ,as a crony of the Clintoon's has been appointed to make determinations regarding the Trump case. Not surprising ,she ruled against Cohen's TRO AND forced him to further violate the Attorney -client privilege by forcing him to reveal that Hannity was a client who also had records seized in the raid on his office.
Oh yeah ;as a side note ;Kimba Wood presided over George Soros'wedding . Yup the swamp is wide and deep.




The AG report proves that before there was lying Andrew McCabe, there was Mark Felt. Or, as he is better known, “Deep Throat". Both leaked information about an FBI investigation that was under way. Both did so for the sake of their own careers,

Clinton is still being investigated... feel better now? As to Woods ruling, the motion by Cohens lawyer was ridicules, given they had a warrant going through DOJ and signed by a judge proving probable cause to the likelihood the slime ball would get rid of the files about his Dufus client. Come on they wanted to review their own stuff and judge what was client attorney privileged. They also allege he wasn't acting as a lawyer, but a business man. Sure hope he didn't LIE about that Prague trip.

What is the point of an investigation that never ends? Either there is evidence for an indictment or there is not

It took years before they nailed Nixon, and years before they nailed Clinton, and years before they got the big crime bosses, and as of now they have already gotten a few smaller, but very important fish in the net, so why quit until they get the rest?

Yes but this is an investigation that goes nowhere

What about the criminals it's already uncovered in Trumps orbit?

gee the FBI seized everything in his office ,house ,and temporary hotel residence on the slim possibility that he might destroy docs . Meanwhile they stood by while Evita destroyed thousands of docs (bleachbit) ,and smashed her's and her associates blackberry . Then Comey claimed there was "no intent " to commit a crime and recommended no prosecution.

Do you not see the double standard here ?

The Watergate break in was June 1972 Nixon's resignation was Aug 8 1974 . So from start to finish including investigations by special prosecutors ,several convictions of top Nixon aides ,and a Supreme Court decision for Nixon to turn over taped evidence ,that later revealed a smoking gun tape that Nixon had conspired with Halderman to cover up the investigation ;Congressional hearings and impeachment hearings was a little over 2 years . This Trump investigation is still a fishing expedition . Now that they can't find any evidence of collusion they are using the pretext of a sordid one nighter Trump had with a porn star to seize the files of his lawyer in an effort to find other fish to pursue.

They haven't stopped trying to get Hillary, and I doubt they stop trying to get the Dufus either. Nor should they!

Trump is probably guilty of some misdeeds ;perhaps criminal ,as a businessman. But that is not what this witch hunt is about .They may stumble upon some crimes as they continue to cast large nets hoping to find something to justify the budget they gave to Inspector Javert . In Evita's case she has a history of private and public criminal activity going on since at least 1978 when she made a killing in the Chicago commodities market on insider trading . She has been in the cover-up games at least since Whitewater and the missing billing records of the law firm . She has illegally surveilled her political opponents since the days that FBI files of her opponents were found in her White House office . She and Bubba traded bribes for pardons with the likes of Marc Rich .She took illegal foreign campaign contributions at least that I know of since her Senate run. And all this predates her time as Sec State and the Clinton Foundation where the big bucks started coming in. The difference is that everyone knows what she had done ;and no one has stepped up to the plate to make her accountable .

Repubs control the whole government. Why are they not casting their own wide net and put the woman in jail? Come on, you can't keep hollering foul after slinging mud for decades. Now back to the current DIC (Dufus In Chief)!

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/19/rudy-giuliani-is-joining-president-trumps-personal-legal-team-for-the-mueller-probe.html



"I'm doing it because I hope we can negotiate an end to this for the good of the country and because I have high regard for the president and for Bob Mueller," Giuliani told The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/giuliani-says-he-is-joining-trumps-legal-team-to-negotiate-an-end-to-mueller-probe/2018/04/19/b175fc10-4411-11e8-8569-26fda6b404c7_story.html?utm_term=.5f168487cc32).


Rudy to the Rescue...

I smell desperation in the air ....https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/20/democratic-party-files-suit-alleging-russia-the-trump-campaign-and-wikileaks-conspired-to-disrupt-the-2016-election-report.html

All I have to say is ....discovery is a beetch .


no that aint all . The DNC is suing because the Trump campaign tried to swing the election in Trump's favor . Isn't that what campaigns are supposed to do ?

Press Releases








Nunes, Gowdy, Goodlatte Statement on Comey Memos f t # e (http://www.addthis.com/bookmark.php)
Washington, April 19, 2018


Washington, D.C. – Today House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence Chairman Devin Nunes (R-Ca.), House Judiciary Committee Chairman Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.), and House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.) issued the following statement:"We have long argued former Director Comey's self-styled memos should be in the public domain, subject to any classification redactions. These memos are significant for both what is in them and what is not.

Former Director Comey's memos show the President made clear he wanted allegations of collusion, coordination, and conspiracy between his campaign and Russia fully investigated. The memos also made clear the ‘cloud’ President Trump wanted lifted was not the Russian interference in the 2016 election cloud, rather it was the salacious, unsubstantiated allegations related to personal conduct leveled in the dossier.

The memos also show former Director Comey never wrote that he felt obstructed or threatened. While former Director Comey went to great lengths to set dining room scenes, discuss height requirements, describe the multiple times he felt complimented, and myriad other extraneous facts, he never once mentioned the most relevant fact of all, which was whether he felt obstructed in his investigation.

The memos also make certain what has become increasingly clear of late: former Director Comey has at least two different standards in his interactions with others. He chose not to memorialize conversations with President Obama, Attorney General Lynch, Secretary Clinton, Andrew McCabe or others, but he immediately began to memorialize conversations with President Trump. It is significant former Director Comey made no effort to memorialize conversations with former Attorney General Lynch despite concerns apparently significant enough to warrant his unprecedented appropriation of the charging decision away from her and the Department of Justice in July of 2016.

These memos also lay bare the notion that former Director Comey is not motivated by animus. He was willing to work for someone he deemed morally unsuited for office, capable of lying, requiring of personal loyalty, worthy of impeachment, and sharing the traits of a mob boss. Former Director Comey was willing to overlook all of the aforementioned characteristics in order to keep his job. In his eyes, the real crime was his own firing.
The memos show Comey was blind to biases within the FBI and had terrible judgment with respect to his deputy Andrew McCabe. On multiple occasions he, in his own words, defended the character of McCabe after President Trump questioned McCabe.
Finally, former Director Comey leaked at least one of these memos for the stated purpose of spurring the appointment of Special Counsel, yet he took no steps to spur the appointment of Special Counsel when he had significant concerns about the objectivity of the Department of Justice under Attorney General Loretta Lynch.
As we have consistently said, rather than making a criminal case for obstruction or interference with an ongoing investigation, these memos would be Defense Exhibit A should such a charge be made."

Sorry Tom, I stopped at Nunes, a known shill and secret agent and lapdog for The Dufus.

BREAKING NEWS

https://politicalwire.com/2018/04/20/sessions-said-he-would-quit-if-rosenstein-fired/



Attorney General Jeff Sessions “recently told the White House he might have to leave his job if President Trump fired his deputy, Rod Rosenstein, who oversees the investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election,” the Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/sessions-told-white-house-that-rosensteins-firing-could-prompt-his-departure-too/2018/04/20/911ca994-44c7-11e8-bba2-0976a82b05a2_story.html?utm_term=.8c177f18eb58)
reports.

adios Sessions is a lifetime swamp critter .

The Dufus said he was draining the swamp. He's doing a great job on repub critters.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/republicans-leaving-congress-retiring-2018/

Dems are suing ala the Watergate years.

https://gizmodo.com/democrats-sue-trump-campaign-aides-alleging-collusion-1825421936

I expect the investigation wasn't yielding the right results, the demorats are now suing because they lost the elections

Clete yup . both Mueller and Rosenstein have told Trump he's not a target of investigation. Rudy joined Trumps legal team this week . He will focus on the Mueller investigation and not this side bar issue of Trump's NY lawyer Michael Cohen.

The Watergate lawsuit netted the Dems some cash .Nixon settled with them as he was walking out the White House door. This is different . When entering the civil law ring ,you are entering Trump's domain . And the laws of discovery are way different . Look out what you wish for . Every DemRat can be deposed under oath ..... Their servers searched(of course they have had a year to smash cell phones and bleach-bit the servers ) . Interesting thing is that it doesn't claim that the hacking of the DNC and Evita's illegal email server did not cost them the election. Instead it argues that the Dems lost fund raising opportunities. The first thing I would demand of them is proof of hacking . Just because WikiLeaks released transcripts does not mean they were hacked . Podesta was very careless with the DNC server ;and Evita in Comey's own words was careless.

This is all a half court jump shot trying to keep the story alive into the mid-terms.

This is all a half court jump shot trying to keep the story alive into the mid-terms.

Well, of course, if they can't campaign against Trump then they will have to get real on some other issues, They could have had a better health system by now, they could have dealt with DACA. A campaign on holding lost lines won't carry far, and lowering the voting age can only "help" them in the future, not now. Although gun reform might be needed, a campaign based on that can only bring them misery, but no real leadership has emerged.

Now if Trump just learns to shut up and not shoot the Republicants in the foot he might retain the support he needs to move forward

Not hard keeping things riled up against a lying, cheating, bully Dufus as the law closes in on him after rounding up his sycophant crew. Even Rudy, his new lawyer is under investigation. As the rats abandon the repub ship, some for bigger things, and the Speaker of the House calls it quits, the Twitter fool keeps digging his own demise when his words and actions don't match. Under repubs red states that support Trump has been squeezing local budgets and cutting taxes, and teachers are up in arms about low pay and no school books. It's not just about the Dufus and his policies, but their local leaders too. So keep hollering about Hillary while the voting public is sick of this TV drama, and feckless incompetent administration.

I suppose when Kim gets done playing him like Putin does Mueller, or the PEOPLE, will finish him off. Whichever comes first.

Be careful what you wish for

I wish I were Rich instead of HANDSOME, and this bloviated egotistical narcissistic occupier of the Oval Office get's stripped of his veneer of supremacy, and exposed for the lying, cheating, conman bully that he is. A republican loss of the house of representatives this fall would surely be a great start.

Wishful thinking

There seems to be a lot of people who may turnout for dems and a sitting president's party typically loses the house to the opposition party. It's more than just wishful thinking.

Tradition! Otherwise known as the protest vote

I prefer RESISTANCE to the governing party, it's a more apt and accurate description of the events of the last year or so.

You could also call it disillusionment or just political fatigue

It doesn't matter what you call it, or why! All that matters is progress is made to get the job done. Under the structures of our government and society November is when we see the next step. That's when the people will have their say. All the wishful thinking and b1tching and disillusionment stops with the reality of law. I've survived many Nogheads before, and will survive the ones now, and yet to come. Obviously I am not alone in this and that's just reality, in spite of the chaos The Dufus reeks.

You take a dim view of our ability to rise to the occasion Clete. That doesn't matter either.

Of course nothing I say matters, I just observe from afar, Tal

I can hear your snickers from here, so is there no sympathy for the likes of people like me who get a close up of this circus of corruption on a daily basis? I don't think I have ever seen this level of dysfunction on so many levels, and just when you think it can't get worse, The Dufus finds a way. The sight of the French president and our president slobbering over each other was a disgusting display even though the stakes are very real for us all as far as Middle East policy and trade goes.

I can hear your snickers from here, so is there no sympathy for the likes of people like me who get a close up of this circus of corruption on a daily basis? I don't think I have ever seen this level of dysfunction on so many levels, and just when you think it can't get worse, The Dufus finds a way. The sight of the French president and our president slobbering over each other was a disgusting display even though the stakes are very real for us all as far as Middle East policy and trade goes.

Well, you scored the French President and we scored the French PM, much said about the important part Australia played in WWI to break the Germans. I think you should forget the middle east, all they want are your arms and aid, and you can get the oil much closer to home.

www.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-25/french-pm-pays-tribute-to-brave-australian-soldiers/9695508

I feel sorry for your dysfunctional economy as I gaze upon our beautiful autumn days, it even rained last week, but this is what happens when you let the corporations rule. Our government is about to announce tax cuts on two levels, which is an extraordinary event. Nice to watch a Treasurer eating humble pie and he is doing it without benefit of Turncoat stealing the limelight

Our economy is not dysfunctional, it's as robust and dynamic as any in the world bar none. It's the greedy grubbers who seek to exploit it that's the problem, aided and abetted by this dysfunctional government administration headed by a complete idiot and his sycophants and the right wing loonies he has enthralled with his BS. Order will be restored once the disorderly are dispatched. That may take some time and that includes the ME.

I suppose the pomp and ceremony of the ruling heads has to be tolerated and Macron got a standing ovation for his speech to the congress but that doesn't diminish the challenges in front of us both in the populations of individual countries and on the perceptions of the world stage. The ME is but a part of that picture.

Our economy is not dysfunctional, it's as robust and dynamic as any in the world bar none. It's the greedy grubbers who seek to exploit it that's the problem, aided and abetted by this dysfunctional government administration headed by a complete idiot and his sycophants and the right wing loonies he has enthralled with his BS. Order will be restored once the disorderly are dispatched. That may take some time and that includes the ME.

I suppose the pomp and ceremony of the ruling heads has to be tolerated and Macron got a standing ovation for his speech to the congress but that doesn't diminish the challenges in front of us both in the populations of individual countries and on the perceptions of the world stage. The ME is but a part of that picture.

If it wasn't dysfunctional why did America need to be made great again? I expect you are in transition in a post industrial age just as we were. Because we were farther down the socialist ladder industries were given assistance to adjust and abandon non competitive industries like steel, clothing, dairy even automotive and power and so no rust belt, no abandoned suburbs and to embrace others. There is pain, but we move on not sit on our duff and hold a pity party

https://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2018/04/21/draft-n2473193

I agree we are in a transition between the old industrial jobs and the new service economy. Thank you technology that made the use of many humans to do a job that is handled by robots or automation, or new technical advances. The campaign of The Dufus made a catchy slogan, but had no basis in reality. In truth we have grown jobs in other sectors since the transition began way back in the 70's. More about the Dufus,

Trump blasts those who take the Fifth, but he used it 97 times on adultery questions | Charlotte Observer (http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/election/article105179136.html)




Donald Trump criticized a particular group of people who invoked that right: former staff members of Hillary Clinton called on to testify about her setting up a private email server..So there are five of them taking the Fifth Amendment, like you see on the mob, right?” he said at another rally in Iowa, though it was three former Clinton staff members who pleaded the Fifth (http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-presidential-debate-fact-check/2016/09/trump-gets-it-right-about-clinton-staff-taking-the-fifth-228728). “The mob takes the Fifth Amendment. If you’re innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”



Breaking News

Another Dufus sycophant pleads the 5th (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/04/25/michael-cohen-says-he-plead-fifth-amendment-stormy-daniels-case/552183002/) Maybe the Dufus will take heed and do the same when Mueller calls him to be interviewed.
(https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/04/25/michael-cohen-says-he-plead-fifth-amendment-stormy-daniels-case/552183002/)

Why do they take the fifth? Because anything they say can, and will, be used against them. In a fishing expedition guilt doesn't matter, because it is guilt by association. Trump could be guilty of associating with his son in law, it is that ridiculous, and when someone is under investigation you do not want to be associated with them.

The fact is Trump, or anyone else, doesn't need to testify, because he has not been accused of anything more than being stupid

Have you ever heard of probable cause? That's what it takes to present to a judge to get a warrant of any kind. It's a standard foundation of any place that has a rule of law at it's foundation. Unfortunately we are also seeing that it takes money to hire the proper people to guide and advise you through this process and that lack of resources is what screws the average citizen.

To your post though if The Dufus surrounds himself with criminals then his stupidity is more than an accusation, it's a proven FACT. He has been asked to be interviewed not TESTIFY at this point. This is more than guilt by association, Clete, it's conspiracy. How deep and how far up the chain it goes is yet to be known but a credible case is slowly being built.

To dismiss those FACTS already in evidence is rather stupid and would be malfeasance. Not like you to defend a lying, cheating, Dufus, even though his lawyer had no choice but to protect himself against criminal charges and let the civil ones dangle out there in the wind. LOL we haven't even touched on the other sycophants of the Dufus who are embroiled in all kinds of controversy like his appointments to big jobs throughout his administration.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/04/mick-mulvaney-explains-his-pay-to-play-rule-for-lobbyists-while-in-congress.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/2018/04/25/1ee2c348-48b1-11e8-827e-190efaf1f1ee_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.fc9e3b76b386

Nothing to see here move along? Fake news and witch hunts? Yeah right.

Probable cause, yes I found the door open after I kicked it in

Stick to counting beans Clete!

8O

Stick to counting beans Clete!

8O

I don't count beans anymore Tal, in fact as we had a lapse in power supply I took the time to sort out my coin collection.


I know you don't like my analogy but this is exactly what Meuller is doing. There is not probable cause that Trump colluded with the Russians, but why doesn't he look at Hilliary, there is more probable cause there, even a money trail. You know why, it is because he is a Hilliary sycophant

https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/270004/hillarys-money-laundering-scheme-matthew-vadum

duplicate (https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/270004/hillarys-money-laundering-scheme-matthew-vadum)

You right wing loonies always think that your conspiracy theories should be taken seriously. You still insist on chasing the past after decades of nothing to show and then back a bona fide lying cheating Dufus who may be insanely pathological criminal scum right in front of your face. How long are you going to wear that tin foil hate and think your in style?

You right wing loonies always think that your conspiracy theories should be taken seriously. You still insist on chasing the past after decades of nothing to show and then back a bona fide lying cheating Dufus who may be insanely pathological criminal scum right in front of your face. How long are you going to wear that tin foil hate and think your in style?

About as long as left wing loonies like you wear theirs

Do I really look as stupid in my tin foil hat as you do? I didn't know I was wearing one to be honest, as I never saw myself as being a left wing loony. Enlighten me if you can.

Why do they take the 5th ? Ask Lois Lerner .Why did Evita's IT staff take the 5th ? I would in no way disparage the 5th Amendment .It is a necessary right ,and it does not presume guilt . After the way I've seen special prosecutors use the perjury trap I would find it hard to recommend cooperation in investigations .Scooter Libby needed a pardon after falling into the perjury trap. Mueller used the technique well to clear his staff of anyone he did not want . It wasn't good enough to fire them .He had to drag their reputations through the mud.

I recommend everyone read ;
“Three Felonies a Day: How the Feds Target the Innocent” by Harvey Silvergate .
Prosecutors actually do this as a game ....name a politician and then say which 3 charges they would get them on if they were pursuing them .That is their leisure time at the office .

It is now clear that Mueller's goal has been to not
discover a crime, but create one. The goal was to scare Trump officials ,Trump's family and friends ,and Trump himself into committing minor process crimes .Even calling Trump a subject instead of a target is a trap.

Do I really look as stupid in my tin foil hat as you do? I didn't know I was wearing one to be honest, as I never saw myself as being a left wing loony. Enlighten me if you can.


Come on Tal you mean you knocked up your tin foil hat in the kitchen. You have defended the left wing view here for a long time. I am not a right wing looney but a somewhat conservative. That means I don't think change is necessarily a good thing but some things need to change. Don't fix the things that work but definitely change the things that are broken.

Here is an example; in the last two weeks in my nation there has been an enquiry into banking, something the left pursued. The revelations coming out of that show criminal behaviour and a culture that is toxic towards the interests of the public. So change will happen, CEO's will resign and may be prosecuted, and so on down the chain, some institutions may collapse. One defendant collapsed while giving evidence

Earlier the right wing government pursued the Union movement and there is no doubt of criminality there, this darling of the left needs to be wrung out and laid flat

Both of these things were tin foul hat country

Why do they take the 5th ?

Here's Trump's answer - "The mob takes the fifth. If you're innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?" Lololol - It just doesn't get any better.

Wait, this is better!

Trump's ACTUAL behavior regarding the Fifth --- Trump invoked the Fifth Amendment himself during his bitter divorce from Ivana Trump who accused him of rape in a written document and which she later walked back for the money. (The world is still laughing).

The Trump "I'm-the-President" Celebrity Show which airs daily on Twitter and his own network show FOX AND FRIENDS proves him to be ignorant, friendless, and without any effective legal guidance. Sad, yes, but he can't call his own utterances fake news, can he? I'm sure he wishes he could, especially when he later denies his own words without a flicker of shame.

In a few months, the show will be cancelled and the Great Imposter will recede into the dustbins of dark history.

Still smarting from the abject humiliation he received at the hands of his nemesis Barack Obama, Trump will again skip tonight's White House Correspondent's Dinner. When he's not in charge, his cowardly instincts always rise to the top - the mark of the bully.

Come on Tal you mean you knocked up your tin foil hat in the kitchen. You have defended the left wing view here for a long time. I am not a right wing looney but a somewhat conservative. That means I don't think change is necessarily a good thing but some things need to change. Don't fix the things that work but definitely change the things that are broken.

Here is an example; in the last two weeks in my nation there has been an enquiry into banking, something the left pursued. The revelations coming out of that show criminal behaviour and a culture that is toxic towards the interests of the public. So change will happen, CEO's will resign and may be prosecuted, and so on down the chain, some institutions may collapse. One defendant collapsed while giving evidence

Earlier the right wing government pursued the Union movement and there is no doubt of criminality there, this darling of the left needs to be wrung out and laid flat

Both of these things were tin foul hat country


I fail to see where banking has anything to with a centrist progressive like myself nor union corruption. Crime is not confined to political leanings. You sure that tin foil hat ain't a lead one?

I fail to see where banking has anything to with a centrist progressive like myself nor union corruption. Crime is not confined to political leanings. You sure that tin foil hat ain't a lead one?

Well centrists progressives can cause a great deal of damage when they get the bankers to participate in social engineering, you have forgotten the GFC and what caused it. As to Unions they are part of the left, the backbone of the left at times, but they are hardly progressive so I expect you would as easily do away with them as keep them.

I was providing some examples, probably far removed from the behaviour in your country, but I wear what our military refer to as a giggle hat, it has no lining

here are some more examples of leftist behaviour which is probably considered very progressive

https://caitlinjohnstone.com/2018/04/27/pelosi-i-dont-see-anything-inappropriate-in-rigging-primaries/

https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/270004/hillarys-money-laundering-scheme-matthew-vadum

The GFC had nothing to do with progressives, or conservatives either and everything to do with abject greed by deception of the private sector.

The GFC had nothing to do with progressives, or conservatives either and everything to do with abject greed by deception of the private sector.

But what was at the root of it was an attempt to allow an under class to purchase residential property, a very progressive policy of social change, yes the greedy capitalists took advantage of the situation as greedy capitalists will always do

Donald Trump, Russia investigation: Mueller to drop ‘bombshell’ question (http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/donald-trump-russia-investigation-mueller-to-drop-bombshell-question/news-story/24334c8cbd139dbd697a492e8cb2e4ca)

Apparently Trump is to be asked if he knew of any outreach to Russia by his campaign

But what was at the root of it was an attempt to allow an under class to purchase residential property, a very progressive policy of social change, yes the greedy capitalists took advantage of the situation as greedy capitalists will always do

I won't speak for your country, but in mine there are plenty of older affordable homes to fit any income. Matter of fact many benefitted by banks who as a matter of good business would never sell a home to someone who could not meet the criteria for homes they could never otherwise afford, but for the financial tricks and traps (variable interest rates, balloon payments down the road, to name a few) that was a recipe for failure, and a huge challenge to marginal buyers. That's not progressive values, that's greed. There was no reason for first time buyers to be put in such overwhelming debt, except to exploit them as temporary revenue cows.

Ordinary people be they progressive or conservatives didn't cause GFC greedy banks and moneyed institutions did. You would think conservatives learned that lesson but NOOOO! They are trying to hand the greedy banks back the ability to lie cheat and steal yet again. That would be Trump and his sycophants of whom I speak, who are extracting wealth again at far above record numbers. The first thing The Dufus did upon becoming Prez was double the fees for his properties. That's all you need to know about his intent.



Donald Trump, Russia investigation: Mueller to drop ‘bombshell’ question (http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/donald-trump-russia-investigation-mueller-to-drop-bombshell-question/news-story/24334c8cbd139dbd697a492e8cb2e4ca)

Apparently Trump is to be asked if he knew of any outreach to Russia by his campaign

A direct question that needs a direct answer, and we know what his answer is. So does Mueller. The only question is will he LIE, or tell the TRUTH. What do YOU think?

I won't speak for your country, but in mine there are plenty of older affordable homes to fit any income.

I wish it were so here Tal but such circumstances are rare, since the GFC property prices have boomed because money has been cheap and so a modest house might cost a Million dollars in the city and several hundred thousand in the suburbs


Ordinary people be they progressive or conservatives didn't cause GFC greedy banks and moneyed institutions did.

No argument there, but the policies originated in government policy







A direct question that needs a direct answer, and we know what his answer is. So does Mueller. The only question is will he LIE, or tell the TRUTH. What do YOU think?

Mueller is running a kangaroo court, if he has evidence he should endict. All Trump has to do is plead the fifth, it is his right, and there should be no resumption of guilt

It's good government, and economic policy for everybody to get a chance to OWN a home. As to Mueller, I don't think you appreciate the need to be vigilante against crooked politicians and their criminal affiliates. Given our history of crime and corruption at the highest levels and the FACT so many Trump sycophants are going to jail already, finishing this investigation is of the highest order. You wouldn't exterminate a den of rats and stop before you got the king rat would you?

Why do you think The Dufus, a greedy b@stard, and thief, a proven liar, cheater, bully is above the law? That is simply ludicrous. The Dufus will have his chance to be questioned just like his minions around him have. That's how our law works Clete, slowly at times but surely. He has used the system for his own gain a long time and if it catches up to him... so be it! If it doesn't... then so be it also!

We will see whose right at the END of the PROCESS. No amount of hollering from close or afar will bring about it's premature end though many would love that.

It's good government, and economic policy for everybody to get a chance to OWN a home. As to Mueller, I don't think you appreciate the need to be vigilante against crooked politicians and their criminal affiliates. Given our history of crime and corruption at the highest levels and the FACT so many Trump sycophants are going to jail already, finishing this investigation is of the highest order. You wouldn't exterminate a den of rats and stop before you got the king rat would you?

Why do you think The Dufus, a greedy b@stard, and thief, a proven liar, cheater, bully is above the law? That is simply ludicrous. The Dufus will have his chance to be questioned just like his minions around him have. That's how our law works Clete, slowly at times but surely. He has used the system for his own gain a long time and if it catches up to him... so be it! If it doesn't... then so be it also!

We will see whose right at the END of the PROCESS. No amount of hollering from close or afar will bring about it's premature end though many would love that.


"Why do you think The Dufus, a greedy b@stard, and thief, a proven liar, cheater, bully" should be elected President. Noone worried about it until he became president so why worry now. The fact is the system is corrupt and Mueller is an expression of it

Lay off the happy juice or share it! ;P What's with the pro Chump about face?

Lay off the happy juice or share it! ;P What's with the pro Chump about face?

It isn't an about face I don't like the man, the bully is someone I dislike by reason he is a bully, a braggart, and a dolt, however he is entitled to the presumption of innocence. It is not my fault the americans drunk the koolaid in large numbers. Seriously I think America has bigger fish to fry


People from this part of the world have a different ethos, a different perspective. Trump is a picture of all that is wrong with America. I don't think you see it because you are standing too close. In our vernacular; it is not okay to be up yourself

That makes sense, as in our system the burden of proof lies in those who prosecute. The rest is noise, and opinion, but the investigation has to complete its process no matter where it goes. I have to agree he stands for many things that are wrong in America, to me too, and most of my fellow Americans agree. The Dufus, his tactics, policies, and TWEETS and actions of his sycophants are not popular here among MANY, and it's our right to speak and act against them by LAW. The process of our laws are slow, and methodical, and that is by design. Mueller is comporting himself within the boundaries of those laws, and obstruction of a duly lawful investigation is as criminal as conspiracy.

Least you forget this whole thing started BEFORE his election to high office, even if it was unknown to the public. So I disagree with your OPINION that Mueller is an example of what's wrong in America, as he is doing the job given to him and very professionally I might add.

That makes sense, as in our system the burden of proof lies in those who prosecute. The rest is noise, and opinion, but the investigation has to complete its process no matter where it goes. I have to agree he stands for many things that are wrong in America, to me too, and most of my fellow Americans agree. The Dufus, his tactics, policies, and TWEETS and actions of his sycophants are not popular here among MANY, and it's our right to speak and act against them by LAW. The process of our laws are slow, and methodical, and that is by design. Mueller is comporting himself within the boundaries of those laws, and obstruction of a duly lawful investigation is as criminal as conspiracy.

Least you forget this whole thing started BEFORE his election to high office, even if it was unknown to the public. So I disagree with your OPINION that Mueller is an example of what's wrong in America, as he is doing the job given to him and very professionally I might add.

Let me put it this way so far, he has discovered Trump is a sleeze, and a corruptor, not necessarily news, using bribes to keep the worst of his behaviour out of the press, we had a recent case here of a not quite so high politician caught in a compromising situation, he was forced to resign without benefit of legal action, no protracted investigation, just the weight of public opinion. Unfortunately Trump has more hide than Jessie the elephant so I expect you will have to force him out

Forget the sleaze! Popaudopolis, Manafort, Page, Gates, Flynn, Cohen. How do you dismiss their involvement, actions, and indictments, and CONVICTIONS? Throw in Kushner and Dufus Jr. Even the sleaze aspect may be a violation of law depending on whose story you believe.

No big deal right?

Not every employee does what the boss wants, they have their own agendas. This is not a defense of Trump

https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2018/02/16/result-muellers-investigation-nothing/

you may pin your hopes on Mueller but Trump is stupid enough to shoot himself in the foot

I have no high expectations that The Dufus will be brought down by Mueller, nor repubs will have anything to do with crossing this bully, no matter what Mueller finds, or who he indicts. Not only will The Dufus pardon everybody and their mama, but Pence will surely pardon The Dufus. He can't lose can he?

It would seem so, just another ring in the circus

As long as the racists and right wing religious extremists that make up MOST of Trumps base, continue to believe his lies and allow his behavior, repubs have little choice but to go along and do as they are told and that's protect and defend whatever The Dufus does. I told you before it's silly season with a mid term election looming in a few months, so a circus is what they want.

We have the choice here to enjoy the entertainment, or seek it elsewhere. Our TV's have a remote for just that purpose and the museums and beaches are open if the power goes out. We also have many amusement parks as the circus seldom comes to town anymore and the state fair is over.

Elections aside though The Dufus isn't going anywhere fast but the reality of it is that his lies will come back and bite his arse eventually, so enjoy the circus while it's here.

so enjoy the circus while it's here.

There are many rings to this circus, Mueller is only one. Xi has made his intentions plain in the South China Sea, will Dump be up to the occasion or will Mueller overtake him and prevent war

Bottom line ;Trump should direct Rosenstein to outline,publicly and indetail,the basis for a criminal investigation arising out of Russia’s interference in the election if there is one.If he can’t,Mueller’s criminal investigation should be terminated. Did you see how the judge beat down Inspector Clouseau's charges against Manafort ? Did you see that AGAIN Flynn's sentencing has been delayed ? If they really have the goods on him then what is the delay ?

Obviously The Dufus and Repubs would love to find out what Mueller has so far and are trying their best to stop this thing in in tracks, but DOJ, and the FBI have never revealed the details of on ongoing investigation until it's done. Never seen such support for a bunch of crooks, liars, and cheaters. That goes for Rudy too, shaming himself on the FAUX News shows trying to carry water for The Dufus and his minions.

Looks like you guys have to just wait for the judge to rule about Manafort, and doesn't matter which court or law office sends him to jail so I wouldn't get excited about him getting off because the judge was pissed. The suspense is killing you righties ain't it. Go ahead fire everybody! I dare you Dufus!


Imagine the panic if they don't stop Mueller before the election and they lose the House majority in November!

Looks like you guys have to just wait for the judge to rule about Manafort

The judge is laughing about the Manafort case

It's a slam dunk, he has been an international criminal for decades, now they got him no matter what the judge rules so I bet Manafort and his lawyers aren't laughing.

It's a slam dunk, he has been an international criminal for decades, now they got him no matter what the judge rules so I bet Manafort and his lawyers aren't laughing.

There is a suggestion these charges are outside of the Mueller inquiry terms of reference, in other words Mueller has no authority to go there

Then he simply passes it off to another prosecutor within the Justice Department like he did for Cohen the lawyer of the Dufus! No Big Deal! What you think some judge will dismiss the charges, or that that don't have MORE charges to bring? That's the problem with comments from afar, you miss the fine details.

I gather information from multiple sources, thus what I see is coloured by different perspectives. I think the general perspective is this is a witch hunt

Well he is a witch, so how should one hunt him and address his lying and cheating, and nasty bullying? I don't know about YOUR sources but here Americans want the investigation to continue. It has born fruit, and continues to bear fruit. Is it Mueller's fault he finds criminal wrong doing as he investigates Russia's role in the last election? That's why it's called the RUSSIAN investigation.

He has enough high priced lawyers and well placed sycophants to advise and defend him, so what's the problem? Obviously your sources are inadequately providing you FACTS. Opinions mean nothing in the court of law, and that's what we have here. Those calling this a witch hunt are in the MINORITY here, so the process will continue. The Dufus will either rise to the challenge or drown in his own shat!

Place your bets on witch if you want to, I'm NOT!

Tal my sources are US sources plus the reporting we get here, that can be in depth, don't forget that the Murdock press originated in Australia so what is reported here comes from those sources. We love a good circus and this one is better than our local ones, although the scene could switch tomorrow

The Russian investigation, yes, he found some Russian, who are well out of his reach. He found an idiot in the Trump team who contacted a russian lawyer or vis a versa, not sure if that is illegal. As far as I can see it is all smoke and mirrors

Now I see your problem! You watch too much Dufus TV Network (Run by Murdoch). Fox News is NOT news here, but an unabashed Dufus supporter like Putin has Russian TV. No wonder you sound like a Trump mouthpiece.

Maybe you should wait for FACTS so you won't be LIED to by our circus clowns. Enjoy the show.

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No I don't watch Fox, waiting for facts could take a long time because all Mueller deals with is innuendo and threats as he gets his "suspects" to give evidence against themselves. I hear the Russians are going to take him on

https://www.redstate.com/streiff/2018/05/05/robert-mueller-facing-humiliating-end-one-high-profile-indictments/

They have a right to a lawyer.

And the right to be tried in the court of public opinion

Now you are catching on to the strategy the Dufus likes best. The last thing he wants is to be subject to the process of the law. He's much better at lying to the public, and bracing his enemies verbally.

Now you are catching on to the strategy the Dufus likes best. The last thing he wants is to be subject to the process of the law. He's much better at lying to the public, and bracing his enemies verbally.

Well of course he doesn't want to be in court on trumped up politicalised charges. He puts a spin on every thing he says, but then doesn't every politician? We know the truth is not in them. The question is; can you discern the truth when you hear it? I don't believe anything he says until he acts and his actions can be discerned, and maybe not even then.

I think of the promises he has made

A great big wall
A great America, again
Repeal Obamacare
Infurstructure
Lower taxes

And I see what has been implemented

And it is a shadow, smoke and mirrors

But then he doesn't exactly have anyone working with him

The fool hasn't been charged with anything so there are NO TRUMPED up charges to address! More lies. All he has to do is sit down and answer a few questions HONESTLY, and the investigation is OVER!

We know he can't do that, and he knows it too! That's what happens when right wing loonies racists, and power hungry dumba$$s 's pick a lying, cheating, blithering idiot, dufus for a leader. He doesn't need any help because he alone could fix stuff. In addition for your information they investigated Bill, and got him for lying about a Blowjob! They investigated Hillary for years for EVERYTHING, no indictments! They investigated Russian interference for 15 months with 19 indictments and that's the one that's going on too long?

Right wing loony maroony hypocrisy, and LIES...just like YOUR hero!

.just like YOUR hero!

Not my hero, a blowhard like him wouldn't get anywhere here, one tried it and money didn't buy him success

Well your hero has withdrawn the U S from the Iran nuclear deal while his fixer lawyer dude Michael Cohen has been caught taking $500,000 from Russian oligarch billionaire Viktor Vekselberg. They got another witch!

Well your hero has withdrawn the U S from the Iran nuclear deal while his fixer lawyer dude Michael Cohen has been caught taking $500,000 from Russian oligarch billionaire Viktor Vekselberg. They got another witch!

You know, I get it, corruption is rife where you live and your politicians, lawyers and fellow travellers are on the take, however business deals are the same the world over and the nationality of a person doesn't determine their political views. So Dump has shot Boeing and american workers in the foot, while doing no discernible good for anyone. Yes, he seems capable of incredible stupidity and doing this when he wants Kim to take him seriously shows how stupid he is. Stupid is as stupid does

The judge is laughing about the Manafort case Inspector Clouseau is having a bad week .The Manaford judge called out his case and wants proof he has a mandate from the DOJ to prosecute a case unrelated to collusionThe judge knows that the Manafort indictment was more about squeezing him so he would turn state's witness against Trump. The judge wants to see Mueller's mandate from Rosenstein in writing

The Ruskies trolls he indicted called his bluff .He has no case against them except that perhaps they were blogging in their mother's basement. but Mueller wasn't content with just charging pajama boys. He went after Ruskie businesses.One of them retained a fancy Washington law firm ,and they informer him they are ready to go to trial....let the discovery begin. Mueller thought he would get away with a press conference and a victory lap around his office. So Mueller asked for a delay because (you can't make this up) the Russian government is not cooperating in serving the indictment. But if it is a matter of serving the indictment ;the lawyers are there and would gladly accept the serving .

And he keeps on stalling on the Flynn sentencing knowing that even the FBI investigators who interviewed Flynn don't think he lied.

Even worse ;now you have former Sec State JFKerry doing his own private diplomacy trying to salvage the JCPOA ;against the policy of the current Administration .One could argue it is a complete violation of the Logan Act .As you recall ,the beef against Flynn was that he ;as incoming National Security Advisor ,was having phone conversations with the Russian Ambassador to discuss policies that were counter to the emperor's . and so it goes .

So Kangaroo courts and star chambers don't work, who knew? I'll show my ignorance and ask what happened to Grand Juries or don't they apply in political cases?

Inspector Clouseau is having a bad week .The Manaford judge called out his case and wants proof he has a mandate from the DOJ to prosecute a case unrelated to collusionThe judge knows that the Manafort indictment was more about squeezing him so he would turn state's witness against Trump. The judge wants to see Mueller's mandate from Rosenstein in writing

The Ruskies trolls he indicted called his bluff .He has no case against them except that perhaps they were blogging in their mother's basement. but Mueller wasn't content with just charging pajama boys. He went after Ruskie businesses.One of them retained a fancy Washington law firm ,and they informer him they are ready to go to trial....let the discovery begin. Mueller thought he would get away with a press conference and a victory lap around his office. So Mueller asked for a delay because (you can't make this up) the Russian government is not cooperating in serving the indictment. But if it is a matter of serving the indictment ;the lawyers are there and would gladly accept the serving .

And he keeps on stalling on the Flynn sentencing knowing that even the FBI investigators who interviewed Flynn don't think he lied.

Even worse ;now you have former Sec State JFKerry doing his own private diplomacy trying to salvage the JCPOA ;against the policy of the current Administration .One could argue it is a complete violation of the Logan Act .As you recall ,the beef against Flynn was that he ;as incoming National Security Advisor ,was having phone conversations with the Russian Ambassador to discuss policies that were counter to the emperor's . and so it goes .


Not only has Mueller not held ANY press conferences but has taken no victory laps either. He just takes them to court or they cooperate and get a deal, as Flynn who obviously is still singing a sweet tune since he hasn't been sentenced and maybe gets off with time served. So we will see how the other cases turn out. LOL, those Ruskies demanded a bunch of records all the way back to 1945, so that may take some time. You know how this dance goes Tom, it's up to the judge to referee and the court of public opinion means NOTHING.

That goes double for that Logan Act stuff since the Dufus already rendered it more useless than it ever was.

So Kangaroo courts and star chambers don't work, who knew? I'll show my ignorance and ask what happened to Grand Juries or don't they apply in political cases?

You don't need a grand jury for every case, especially if the evidence is solid enough for a charge to be made, Mueller won't tip his hand to Russia either about how much intel he has on those indicted Ruskies Tom is fond of. They have already asked for classified information that goes back to the last world war.

What he's done to Flynn is criminal in itself. Flynn did nothing ,but Mueller broke him financially and with threats to his family .
While Mueller vengefully bankrupts people tied to Trump, his legal team refuses to disclose how much tax $ it's spent over the past year. The Justice Dept has refused to release his budget in the face of repeated FOIA requests .


Former Trump campaign advisor Michael Caputo is going through the same thing now thanks to this phony investigation.
“God damn you to Hell,” Caputo told the Senate intel committee recently after he was put through the ringer by them . He was also questioned by Mueller's thugs.
What makes Caputo ,who worked on the Trump campaign for
less than a year in a minor role possibly complicit in, or a witness to, the bogus charge that the Trump campaign colluded with the Russian government to influence the 2016 presidential election? Well he made the HUUUGGGE mistake of studying Russia in school in the 1980s ,and became an admirer of Russian ballet and literature .Oh yeah ,he has a Ukrainian born wife.


Former Trump Aide Caputo Is Being Interviewed by Mueller (http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/05/former-trump-aide-caputo-is-being-interviewed-by-mueller.html)

He has already incurred over $125,000 in legal fees defending himself from Mueller's fishing expedition . No doubt Mueller will find some inconsistency in his responses to charge him with after the many grillings he's been subject to .

As far as the Flynn case goes ,Mueller's case is in jeopardy . The judge ordered him to produce exculpatory evidence he withheld from Flynn's defense team. Mueller is stalling because he knows there is a big chance the judge is going to throw this case out of court . And as Mueller delays ,the Flynn legal bills keep piling up .
He is leaving a wake of destroyed people behind his Inspector Javert like pursuit of Trump. Hope Hicks testified to Congress and then resigned the next day. She did nothing wrong but became concerned about her mounting legal bills . She's not alone . Over 20 White House workers ,and almost 30 campaign have been subject to Mueller's team 3rd degree interrogations . Simply stated ,these people are being punished for the "crime " of having worked for Trump in some capacity .

BTW ,the Russian troll case will be dismissed soon.

Caputo should have listened to his wife and stayed home, because we all know you lay with dogs you get fleas. He's lucky he could afford flea powder. $125.000 to tell the truth? Really? I got no sympathy for AT&T paying Cohen a hundred thousand smackers either.

Discussing current events with the likes of tomder55 is problematic.

To tomder as a member of the right-wing, rapidly morphing into the far right and the alt-right, words have lost their meaning. Trump himself defines "fake news" as news that treats him negatively, even though that news is demonstrably true and supported by facts. He does not associate the word "fake" with its real meaning of "untrue". This makes discussion very difficult.

The conservatives, once a bastion for the truth, have joined behind this neo-Orwellian disregard for facts in their frantic attempts to overwhelm the American body politic with a deadening ideology that is rushing full speed to the fascistic. "Truthful hyperbole" (an oxymoron if ever there was one), "alternative facts", and outright lies have become the hallmark of conservative rhetoric and all things Trump.

As an Independent, I have seen grandiose claims from both Democrats and Republicans. It is the nature of politics. But what the Republicans have achieved is far beyond anything seen previously. They have lost all credibility to the point where civil and rational discussion with them is no longer possible. To take tomder seriously and reply to him or his ilk is a "chasing after the wind" - meaningless.

To make matters even sadder, the once effective push and pull of debate that steadied the Ship of State has disappeared from public discourse. It is a harrowing time for those who love and respect truth.

If you don't want a conversation you are free to shut up I bring links ;you bring ad hominin

Israel Attacked Syria an Hour After the Iran Deal Was Ended | Time (http://time.com/5270362/israel-attacked-syria-trump-iran-deal/)

The Dufus opened up a door for his buddy Netty.

If you don't want a conversation you are free to shut up I bring links ;you bring ad hominin


You miss the point. I DO want conversation, but not with the likes of you who gets his info from the thoroughly discredited Fox News and cut and paste from the alt-right.

Ad hominem is the only approach that fits you and your kind.

Israel attacked Iranian assets that are mobilizing on the Israeli border, and launched missiles inside Israel . But I'm the one who is being accused of peddling false news.

You miss the point. I DO want conversation, but not with the likes of you That's fine with me . I have no interest in having a debate with someone who's opening comment is a personal attack . Consider the conversation over .

That's fine with me . I have no interest in having a debate with someone who's opening comment is a personal attack . Consider the conversation over .


The conversation was over a long time ago when your side elected to routinely employ lies and to follow the advice of Nazi Minister of Propaganda Josef Goebbels to "Accuse the other side of that which you are guilty".

The conversation was over a long time ago when your side elected to routinely employ lies and to follow the advice of Nazi Minister of Propaganda Josef Goebbels to "Accuse the other side of that which you are guilty".

You have missed the point that politics is about lies to protect your side of the debate. The left lies all the time, the truth is not in them. This si not a defence of Trump who also lies

Right wingers never lie, they really believe the loony stuff they say! Thanks for proving my point Clete. We agree about Trump at least.

Yes but do we agree about his predecessor? Or the one before that?

We have agreed on them at times, sometimes NOT.

On what occasion did you not agree?

When Trump in 2020 puts a FBI mole into the Democrat nominee's campaign ;and used the vast powers of the Intel and security agencies to tap/spy on the candidate ,that is going to be perfectly acceptable .......right ?



(from the Wall Street Journal ...not an "alt right" source). The FBI had
"a top-secret intelligence source that was part of the FBI’s investigation of the Trump campaign" inside the Trump campaign .





"When government agencies refer to sources, they mean people who appear to be average citizens but use their profession or contacts to spy for the agency. Ergo, we might take this to mean that the FBI secretly had a person on the payroll who used his or her non-FBI credentials to interact in some capacity with the Trump campaign."


https://www.wsj.com/articles/about-that-fbi-source-1525992611

The name of the mole is the information that Devin Nunes and Tery Gowdy have been trying to get from the stone-walling FBI acting Director Rod Rosenstein. The FBI has been hiding this information from the relevant Congressional Committees for months.

The timing of the placing of the spy inside the campaign could be a revelation also since the narrative we have been spun was that the investigation began after George Papadopoulos' drunken ramblings that were overheard by an Aussie diplomat in July of 2016.

Tom dirty tricks is the stock in trade of leftists

You don't think sticking their nose into an active investigation for The Dufus is a dirty trick by the right? Not even considering they have ended their own house investigation and exonerated The Dufus of collusion while putting forth no recommendations for Russian interference of our election.

Obviously the right wing house are but sycophants, and truth and oversight are just a cover. The Dufus wants this to stop and they will sink as low as it takes to obey. That makes your assertion Clete that dirty tricks are confined to leftists a LIE at best, ignorance at worst.

You talk like a righty.

I'll ask again ;When Trump in 2020 puts a FBI mole into the Democrat nominee's campaign ;and used the vast powers of the Intel and security agencies to tap/spy on the candidate ,that is going to be perfectly acceptable .......right ?

Not even a fair question Tom, since your assertion that's what was done to the Dufus has no basis in fact, and is only a conspiracy theory by some loon. Okay not a fair statement, but this is just an opinion of the writer on an opinion page. You should read more of her stuff.

Strassel ? I read her column all the time . She is no loon that's for sure . She's a highly respected journalist working for one of the premier publications in the country .She does not delve in conspiracy theory . The untold secret is that most of the media know who the FBI plant is and is just waiting for confirmation from the FBI (who have used all types of pablum to stonewall the leaders of Congress elected to provide oversight to an agency that Congress created and Congress can end .) The information will be out probably this week. We already know that the plant fed information to Papadopolus who in a fit of drunken braggadocio said to a Clintoon friendly Aussie diplomat that the Russians had access to Clintoon emails .He in turn gave that info to the FBI ;who now claim that the info was their secondary source to justify FISA warrants (after their story about the Steele Dossier proved to be a phony, unverified ,and unworthy source for granting such surveillance .)

. That makes your assertion Clete that dirty tricks are confined to leftists a LIE at best, ignorance at worst.

You talk like a righty.

No but I understand that the left stops at nothing to achieve their objectives, and I try not to speak in absolutes so I did not say that dirty tricks are confined to the left. I admit to having a conservative view on many subjects however my conservatism doesn't necessarily align me with what you call the right otherwise I would be blowing Dump's trumpet

from Reuters (not an alt right source) :



A Russian company accused by Special Counsel Robert Mueller of funding a propaganda operation to interfere in the 2016 U.S. presidential election is asking a federal judge for access to secret information reviewed by a grand jury before it indicted the firm.
In a court filing on Monday, lawyers for Concord Management and Consulting LLC said Mueller had wrongfully accused the company of a “make-believe crime,” in a political effort by the special counsel to “justify his own existence” by indicting “a Russian-any Russian.” They asked the judge for approval to review the instructions provided to the grand jury, saying they believed the case was deficient because Mueller lacked requisite evidence to show the company knowingly and “willfully” violated American laws. Concord is one of three entities and 13 Russian individuals charged earlier this year by Mueller’s office, in an alleged criminal and espionage conspiracy to meddle in the U.S. race, boost then-presidential candidate Donald Trump and disparage his Democratic opponent Hillary Clinton.



https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-concord/russian-company-charged-in-mueller-probe-seeks-grand-jury-materials-idUSKCN1IF2YW



If Inspector Clousseau dismisses the indictments that will make him look bad. And if he doesn't they get discovery which will show how weak his case really is . This is why Mueller is trying to delay this even though Concord is asking for a swift trial. No doubt Mueller will try and play the "classified information " card .

Well of course it is classified, it concerns the American state and no one can be allowed to know anything about that

You know how this goes. A judge will review the evidence and rule whether it's sufficient or not. There has to be haggling and stuff by both sides first. Lawyers make motions and the other side responds. Nothing wrong with Russia putting up an aggressive defense. They can afford it.

what is interesting is not the back and forth . It is that in both this and the Flynn case ,Inspector Clousseau has opted to stall . The 6th amendment guarantees that " the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial". Mueller is trying to deny the defendants that because he knows he has no case .

Hate to break it to you Tom but this isn't about the constitution

Tom knows that Clete and he is just venting his frustrations that Mueller is attacking the Putin stooges.

Tom knows that Clete and he is just venting his frustrations that Mueller is attacking the Putin stooges.

I doubt that Tal, I'm sure Tom is as eager as you are that American sovereignty is upheld. You have to see this as poetic justice, American has interfered in the affairs of many countries, perhaps more covertly than these attempts, but you can't be upset with the Russians for being inept in the use of social media, it is so little used in Russia. The Trump team is guilty of being niaive, but then they aren't politicians used to manipulating public opinion. If there are any stooges in this they reside in America and hang out with the Clinton Crime Cartel

Trump isn't naïve Clete, He is intent on working his will and getting what he wants. Just like another crooked president we had, NIXON. We know how that turned out and with so many scandals and nefarious activities by this lying, cheating, bully of a DUFUS, the law will catch up to him and his STOOGES.

Clinton never made it to the big spotlight the presidency would have given her, therefore irrelevant to the conversation. As for Tom he is probably watching the BREAKING NEWS about the FBI spy in Trumps organization. He should be along shortly.

Well Tal he might be but just remember none of this would have happened if Clinton didn't have prior history

68 years no convictions, no indictments, investigated up the ying yang by the right wing, and repubs … first lady, senator, secretary of state. That's her history.

That's no excuse for electing a lying, cheating, big mouth bully, who thinks he is above the law! No doubt the repubs and their racist, loony, fringe base would be at her throat had she won, but I must confess it's a lot of fun throwing darts at the Dufus that did win especially if it's TRUE!

68 years no convictions, no indictments, investigated up the ying yang by the right wing, and repubs … first lady, senator, secretary of state. That's her history.

That's no excuse for electing a lying, cheating, big mouth bully, who thinks he is above the law! No doubt the repubs and their racist, loony, fringe base would be at her throat had she won, but I must confess it's a lot of fun throwing darts at the Dufus that did win especially if it's TRUE!

You have to separate this Tal, Trump is a manification of anger, of rejection of internationalism. Whether it is misdirected is another argument. Trump stands for the things liberals do not. Thus he is a big target. This is surprising because Trump is at heart a liberal, but he knows that America can't give away the farm for a few trinkets.

Well, you've done it again! After pissing me off with your prejudiced snobbish prattle you fascinate me with your logic and common sense. Yes The Dufus very perceptively tapped into the fear and frustration of enough Americans to get elected and throws enough red meat to his base to hold them. And yes he infuriates liberals to no end with his lying, cheating, selfish, thuggish, incompetent, CRIMINAL ways, and its only been a year? Seems longer.

I don't agree with his trade or economic policy or his interactions with the rest of the world. He thinks he is an emperor, after Obama was only called one. No doubt we will survive him though, and he will get his just dessert. Thank God for the remote, Netflix, and popcorn!

8D

Yes I've been think of tuning out on the TV myself. Same ole. Same ole, every day

However, I think it is sad you support these people

http://www.investmentwatchblog.com/feds-drop-bombshell-comey-lynch-colluded-entrap-wiretap-trump/

No, its sad YOU even read that right wing loony mass conspiracy theory crap, and believe it. You know you are a right wing loony if you believe what a lying cheating Dufus that surrounds himself with criminals and incompetents and scandalous characters and hollers they are out to get him, says.

Now get a movie and some popcorn and relax like I told you too. Take a walk in the outback and get some fresh air.

Chew on this for a while

http://www.nationalmemo.com/burn-via-bbc-royal-wedding-humiliates-trump-again/

No, its sad YOU even read that right wing loony mass conspiracy theory crap, and believe it. You know you are a right wing loony if you believe what a lying cheating Dufus that surrounds himself with criminals and incompetents and scandalous characters and hollers they are out to get him, says.

Now get a movie and some popcorn and relax like I told you too. Take a walk in the outback and get some fresh air.

Chew on this for a while

Burn! Via BBC, Royal Wedding Humiliates Trump Again (http://www.nationalmemo.com/burn-via-bbc-royal-wedding-humiliates-trump-again/)

We don't really need to be reminded he is up himself, but the BBC, well they are as red as it gets

How do you know that?

How do I know anything?

the Putin stooges.
lol typical Dem deflection . I admire how Dem hawks have become newly converted cold warriors. But their current stand contradicts their support of the emperor's fecklessness regarding Russia. Take for instance the Magnitsky Act about adoption. These days the Dems are all in a unified voice for preserving the law .Many of these same former Obots who support the law vigorously opposed the law because they believed it would hurt the "reset " (which in itself was pandering appeasement of Putin).
The emperor's whole reign was one of appeasement of Putin . The reset was a feeble attempt to cool the tensions after Russia invaded Georgia. During his reign the emperor unilaterally withdrew defensive missile systems from the Czech Republic and Poland(
announcing the decision on the anniversary of the Soviet Union’s invasion of Poland)
.The emperor ignored Russian violations of the INF treaty while at the same time gave ground on the negotiations of a new START treaty . During his time the emperor ceded ground in Syria and opened the door to direct Russian intervention after he refused to enforce his own red line. Under the emperor the Russian seized Crimea (
the first violent seizure of territory on the European continent since World War II)
and invaded Ukraine with a mercenary army .Throughout his reign ,the emperor played down the Russian threat . He was caught on open mike telling Medvedev that he would have more flexibility in US Russian relations after he was reelected . He scoffed and ridiculed Romney for Romney's claim that Russia was our biggest geopolitical threat .
(“The 1980s are now calling and they want their foreign policy back,” ). So go ahead …..the only way the Dems get away with their new tough on Russia policies is the completely renounce the emperor's 8 years of appeasement . Go ahead . I want to hear it .

You miss the obvious elephant in the room and that's the facts we have a new emperor in town, and he is taking all the money and screwing up everything in the process.

lol typical Dem deflection .

Deflection? Oh, yeah, right. "Accuse the other side of that which you are guilty". Nazi Minister of Propaganda Joseph Goebbels.


I admire how Dem hawks ...blah, blah, blah.....

Obama's whole reign was one of appeasement of Putin....blah, blah, blah

Obama scoffed and ridiculed Romney for Romney's claim that .... blah, blah, blah..

Obama's 8 years of appeasement. ...blah, blah, blah

Do you know what year it is? It's 2018 and there's a new guy in town - admittedly the most moronic in history, but new. You people simply cannot have a discussion without damning Clinton or Obama. You do it like clockwork.

You forget to mention that Obama was responsible for the fall of the Roman Empire, WW1, and the Hindenburg Disaster.

You forget to mention that Obama was responsible for the fall of the Roman Empire, WW1, and the Hindenburg Disaster. I gave facts . The above is not facts ,they are fiction . You forgot one fiction however ….. that Trump colluded with the Russians to steal the election.

You miss the obvious elephant in the room and that's the facts we have a new emperor in town, and he is taking all the money and screwing up everything in the process.

I think it is more like an @ss , you know long ears and kicks everything in sight even though it appears to be an elephant trumpeting its glory

I gave facts . The above is not facts ,they are fiction . You forgot one fiction however ….. that Trump colluded with the Russians to steal the election.

You forgot the Saudis and Israelis. Yeah I know, it's okay for the Dufus to do whatever he wants as long as he can sign his name. Let's not forget his new buddy Kim.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdvPMRIU8AEwchP.jpg

[QUOTE=talaniman;3816206]You forgot the Saudis and Israelis. Yeah I know, it's okay for the Dufus to do whatever he wants as long as he can sign his name. Let's not forget his new buddy Kim./QUOTE]

Imagine that Two Dickhea@ds in the same image

LOL, I like that Clete, nogheads forever linked together in foolish folly.

LOL, I like that Clete, nogheads forever linked together in foolish folly.

Yes, but it may never happen, their ego's will get in the way

Speaking of things that may never happen, you might be on the wrong side come fall
New Poll Shows GOP Now Leads In 2018 Generic Ballot (http://thefederalist.com/2018/05/22/new-poll-shows-gop-now-leads-2018-generic-ballot/)

The appointment of Robert Mueller violates the Appointments Clause of the Constitution. Mueller is not an inferior appointee, but a principal appointee as understood under the constitution. His powers are more akin to an United States attorney, not an assistant United States attorney.

This being so he has been appointed without the normal appointments process

Yes, but it may never happen, their ego's will get in the way

Speaking of things that may never happen, you might be on the wrong side come fall
New Poll Shows GOP Now Leads In 2018 Generic Ballot (http://thefederalist.com/2018/05/22/new-poll-shows-gop-now-leads-2018-generic-ballot/)

I've been on the wrong side of electoral results before and probably will again, no biggie!

This being so he has been appointed without the normal appointments process

Obviously a history lesson is needed to debunk the FAKE NEWS you dug up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_prosecutor


Initiating a special prosecutor investigation[edit (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special_prosecutor&action=edit&section=9)]
The decision to appoint a special prosecutor rests with the attorney general (or acting attorney general), or, historically, with the president. Under the independent counsel statute that expired in 1999, Congress could formally request the attorney general to appoint a special prosecutor (see role of legislative and judicial branches); however the law only required the attorney general to respond in writing with a decision and reasons, and in any event it is no longer in force.[18] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_prosecutor#cite_note-:3-18) Similarly, under the statute, the choice of who to appoint as special prosecutor was made by a three-judge panel of the Court of Appeals. This is no longer the case, and the decision of who to appoint now rests entirely with the attorney general.The current special counsel regulations specify that:[6] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_prosecutor#cite_note-:0-6)
The Attorney General, or in cases in which the Attorney General is recused, the Acting Attorney General, will appoint a Special Counsel when he or she determines that criminal investigation of a person or matter is warranted and—


(a) That investigation or prosecution of that person or matter by a United States Attorney's Office or litigating Division of the Department of Justice would present a conflict of interest for the Department or other extraordinary circumstances; and
(b) That under the circumstances, it would be in the public interest to appoint an outside Special Counsel to assume responsibility for the matter.

The degree of power in Mueller's office exceeds anything we have ever seen, and simply can't be asserted by anybody who isn't subject to Congressional approval.

Tal Mueller has not been and is not subject to Congressional oversight, there were no hearings to determine his suitability and to confirm his appointment

Geez Clete! Read the link and stop sounding like the DUFUS. Special Counsels do not require confirmation by the congress! Don't you loony right wingers care about the law? You certainly don't care about the facts!

The congress does have oversight over most everything here. There is also a process and procedure to follow in that oversight. The Dufus and his republican sycophants in the congress don't want you to know that though, and holler to high heaven about a witch hunt by the deep government and loony's like you swallow that crap.

BUMMER!

BUMMER!

Yes there has been a big one today Dump has called off his meeting with Kim citing hostility. He should have told the truth and said ego. He knows that Kim wasn't giving away anything so Mueller becomes a side show, I wonder what rabbit he will pull out to get back in the headlines

Trump dumps Kim is no biggie, just a lovers spat after NK's disrespect of Trumps VP, but spygate turns out to be another nuthin' burger spun by Dufus and his FAKE News sycophants, so Dufus jumps back on the football players kneeling to the flag and thanks the owners for kissing his fat orange a$$.

Everybody is talking loud saying nothing except Mueller, who just keeps his mouth shut, and turns the screws to The Dufus Circle jerk buddies.
Just another day in America.

Just wait for Friday!

Just wait for Friday!



It's Friday here already, not much is happening, rumour has it Trump has been played but I wonder whether Bolton and Pence should have kept it their pants and let Trump make all the running. Meanwhile we are busy chasing supernovas in our beautiful clear skies. I fail to understand why a few football freaks should warrant such attention but then everything about that strange game you play just goes over my head

The Dufus has made football players specifically black football players who kneel at the playing of the national anthem to protest police brutality his target to brand them as unpatriotic. This week the NFL has issued a rule that they must stand or stay in the locker room or be fined. The problem with that is the players have a union which means a process to implement rules and policy, but they were not consulted. Football is a big deal here, like soccer throughout the world. We have baseball and basket ball as well as hockey wrestling and boxing because we are a sports nation. Oh! We like our concerts and car racing too!

Yes it's finally Friday here and that means the news dump is coming and already The Dufus is seeking a briefing as to the meeting (That he called) held Thursday about his allegations the FBI and CIA put spies in his campaign. It's just a ploy though to shutdown Mueller, because he is finding out he had some informants in his midst, along with the criminals he employs that ARE going to jail or squeal on the lying cheating big mouth bully.

OH! The summit with NK may be on again. Have a happy Saturday. 8)

Yes, a fine, foggy, frosty morning and in the light of dawn, Dump is blown in the wind again. You must remember we too are a sporting nation. I hear Putin is fed up with Trump, news fog around Trump means no one can get anything done


The same fog must surround Mueller as they are starting to predict the end of the inquiry

Mueller is in no fog and just steadily doing his job. Everything else is noise from the uniformed right wing peanut gallery. Even the left wing talking heads have no clue what he ha,s but if the indictments and convictions so far, it's fair to say more are coming.

Seems to be driving the Dufus and his republican sycophants nuts by their words, and actions.

Mueller is in no fog and just steadily doing his job. Everything else is noise from the uniformed right wing peanut gallery. .

Perhaps a lot of this is noise from the uninformed left

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/20/17031772/mueller-indictments-grand-jury

Mueller hasn't found any evidence connecting Trump to any of it. The most grievous charges have been lying to the FBI which would not have happened if this witch hunt had not begun. Charges against foreign nationals and companies are showboating.

What drives people nuts is all of this is a distraction and a media run circus. Trump is guilty of being an idiot in his private life but then that seems par for the course for left wing presidents also

A plea deal for lesser charges never reveals the more serious ones these criminals were facing but you don't get a deal without FULL cooperation so this circus witch hunt that The Dufus and YOU tout it to be probably has more to be revealed later. Of course you loony right wingers don't want your Dufus to be revealed as a CRIMINAL because he already is a PROVEN liar and cheater. Not just in his marriage but business dealings.

The thing you righties never mention is the ones going after this Dufus are his fellow repubs and people HE appointed. Okay us lefties are cheering Mueller on! (He wanted Mueller to run HIS FBI remember?).

You appear to be a very uninformed righty Clete! Old age must be catching up to you...or the WINE!

8D

A plea deal for lesser charges never reveals the more serious ones these criminals were facing but you don't get a deal without FULL cooperation so this circus witch hunt that The Dufus and YOU tout it to be probably has more to be revealed later. Of course you loony right wingers don't want your Dufus to be revealed as a CRIMINAL because he already is a PROVEN liar and cheater. Not just in his marriage but business dealings.

The thing you righties never mention is the ones going after this Dufus are his fellow repubs and people HE appointed. Okay us lefties are cheering Mueller on! (He wanted Mueller to run HIS FBI remember?).

You appear to be a very uninformed righty Clete! Old age must be catching up to you...or the WINE!

8D

Resorting to insults Tal, shows you lost the argument, I have given up drinking Tal



Of course you loony right wingers don't want your Dufus to be revealed as a CRIMINAL because he already is a PROVEN liar and cheater.

You are confusing me with someone else, I don't care whether Trump is caught with his pants down or priming the pump. It doesn't matter to me. I see the choice you had as between liars, cheats and possible criminals anyway.

Yes your politicians are confused as to which side they are on, that is because Trump is not one of them and he can't be bought, but he can be compromised, so they dig the dirt, that is what politicians do. In a few months some of them are going to be out of business, so this is a last hurrah. A lot of Dons tilting at windmills.

Trump is successful in a way you leftists hate, he laughs at you, because deep down he doesn't care. It isn't about you

You know the old saying... he who laughs last.. There is no confusion! It's Dufusism, or common sense. We agree that it is crazy season, and election year theatrics are abound.

Yes we understand, there might be one skulking in the corners here too.

I think Dump is going to have the laugh on you when he and Kim become mates. I see a Trump hotel in Phongyang, Dump will explain the economics of casinos to Kim and how they can fleece those chinese high rollers. Kim will no longer need nukes and missiles and who knows with some new reps he might even get something done despite those recalcicant demorats and republicrats

I don't see The Big Dufus and Little Dufus getting together soon, and Big Dufus has just hit NK's sponsor China with new tariffs, so the game continues. Lol The right wingers are screaming foul at Mueller, and the left is speculating while Mueller remains silent.

I hear you can get the commemorative coin at deep discount prices . btw ; if spygate was a nothing burger then who is Stefan Halper ?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/who-is-stefan-a-halper-the-fbi-source-who-assisted-the-russia-investigation/2018/05/21/22c46caa-5d42-11e8-9ee3-49d6d4814c4c_story.html?utm_term=.f03c34a38c89

Whether he is a spy or informant depends on who you ask, but informants are pretty common to law enforcement on EVERY level and a part intelligence gathering as well. Of course everybody is a spy, snitch, or leaker to The Dufus and his public mouthpiece Rudy who never wants any facts other than HIS truth to be revealed, so he calls it spying.

That's why he paid the big bucks to silence a porn star and playboy bunny he was screwing. Granted that was years ago but his whole history is about dirty deals and criminals and shady tactics so to suggest not looking into this DUDE is INSANE. Lets at least see if he did indeed shoot a guy in the middle of the street in broad daylight.

His past disregard for law and ordered begs close scrutiny now.



Kim; I want picture with Orange guy

Dufus; Sure bring me money!

Kim; We got no money just Nukes!

Dufus: We got Nukes we want money. Summit coin not work crap, so bring real money.

Kim: How about discount on crappy coin as sign of good faith?

Dufus: You want good faith talk to the pope! We want money!

Kim: Damn what was hostages worth?

Dufus: Rating weren't that high but I'll give you a free coin at summit, SEND money first!

Kim; Chinese will pay.

Dufus; Not after I take their money with tariffs!

Xi; We cancel our soybean order from you and go to South America!

Dufus; Talk to you guys later, got a meeting with Mikey D's scheduled. Let me know when YALL get some money!

Stefan Halper ..Former classmate of Bubba Clinton at Oxford who had close ties to the Clintoons. His father in law is Ray Cline ,who was a CIA analyst for years . Let me ask you ; the claim now is that they had to place an informant inside the Trump campaign (they don't deny it anymore ) for Trump's protection from Russia ....Did they also place an informant in the Evita campaign for her protection from Russia ? Did they run a sting inside Evita's campaign like they did to Papadopoulos ;luring him to London to do paid research ? Why did he offer his foreign policy expertise to former Trump campaign co-chair Clovis if not to spy on Trump's campaign ?
The code name for his operation against the Trump campaign was named'Crossfire Hurricane ' . The name comes from the Rolling Stone's lyrics in 'Jumping Jack Flash ' ,but the reference comes from the Penny Marshall movie 'Jumping Jack Flash' in which a bank office comes to the aid of a British Spy being chased by the KGB. In other words ,the code name refers to former Brit spy Christopher Steele who's Russian ties allegedly linked Trump campaign operatives and Trump himself to Russia . His salacious and unverified allegations were then used as an excuse to secure FISA warrants and otherwise to spy on the Trump campaign . But the narrative didn't wash so they modified the story to say that the warrants came from Halper's contacts with Carter Page and Papadopoulos .
You are right about one thing . He wasn't really an informant . He was more like an agent provocateur, whose job was to ask leading questions to get Trump campaign advisers to say things that would support evidence that supported the predetermined narrative , that the Trump campaign was in collusion with the Russians to steal the election. Halper’s job was to induce inexperienced Trump campaign figures to say things that corroborated the Steele dossier . Halper’s fishing expedition came up with nothing to suggest the Steele dossier was true. But it did put Papadopoulos in legal jeopardy when Mueller was able to pin some process crimes on him. And still after over 2 years of this nonsense ,Mueller has found nothing to suggest that Trump and the Russians colluded to take over the White House.
Questions to be asked ...Was Halper the only one paid by the FBI to infiltrate the Trump campaign ? Under whose authority were they spying on a political campaign? Did FBI and DOJ leadership sign off? Did FBI director James Comey and AG Loretta Lynch know about it? What about other senior Obama administration officials? CIA Director John Brennan? Did the emperor know the FBI was spying on a presidential campaign? Did Evita know? What about her chairman John Podesta?
'It’s a gas, gas, gas!'

It was more an INTERVEIW than an embedding of a spy INSIDE the campaign. How do you conflate the two. Unless you have evidence not made public. Mueller does no doubt, and he ain't talking. Just your boy Rudy for your boy Trump, and as always you filling the blanks with some WHOPPERS!

Must be a New York thing!

You are right about it being gas Tom

Tal Halper indeed did try to infiltrate the Trump campaign by touting his foreign policy expertise to Clovis as I already pointed out .It wasn't an interview . He conducted a sting operation against Page and especially
Papadopoulos ,who he lured to London under false premises while he pumped him for information about rumors that
Papadopoulos heard about Evita emails. He did this only to build a false case for justifying the FEMA surveillance of the Trump campaign . The Justice Dept IG will come to that very conclusion when he finished his investigation.

Halper came in well after the investigation started and there was enough contact by the Dufus and his minions after being WARNED about the Russians to get probable cause. Had they simply reported and acknowledge those contacts we wouldn't be here would we? No the took steps to hide and cover it up and if you cannot be suspicious of such activity then you must also go along with the semantic acrobatics of Rudy and the DUFUS, and sycophant butt boy #1 Nunes and the house repubs.

No biggie to me just own it and we see what happens.

Trey Gowdy says he sees no evidence of spying on the Trump campaign. HOHUM, another Dufus lie DEBUNKED!

Republican Rep. Trey Gowdy disputes Trump&apos;s &apos;spy&apos; claim, says FBI acted properly - Chicago Tribune (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-gowdy-trump-fbi-spy-20180530-story.html)

Let's go with your theory . The Obots had legitimate concerns about Page, Manafort and Papadopoulos in the spring of 2016. They could've interviewed Page as the FBI had done several times since 2013 . Page had been approached by Moscow before and he had cooperated with the Feds . BTW ,the Ruskies considered Page an 'idiot ' and there was zero chance he would be involved serving their interests

They could've done the same for Manafort and his partner Gates who were already in conversation with the Feds about representing Ukrainian interests . They could've been upfront with Trump about their concerns about these members of Trump's campaign instead of conducting counter-intelligence against their political opponent in an election campaign.

Instead, the emperor and his minions decided to use its counterintelligence powers to spy on the Trump campaign, using at least one spy , electronic monitoring of communications without probable cause proven , and other intelligence-gathering tactics (like the attempted sting of Papadopoulos ). It ignored the long time norm against deploying such tactics against political opponents, not based on any evidence of a Trump-Russia criminal conspiracy, but on speculation about the Trump campaign’s Russia contacts and Russia sympathies. Speculation btw by an administration, and a Democrat nominee with their own sordid histories of Russia contacts and Russia sympathies.(Evita's reset ;the emperor kow-towing to Russia to get their cooperation in the Iran sell out deal ;the emperor ushering in Russia's membership in the WTO . His one sided START treaty .the emperor mocking Romney when he called Russia our greatest strategic threat ;the emperor being heard on open mike telling Medvedev that he will have more flexibility after the 2012 elections to make deals favorable to Russia ,supporting the Kremlin’s agenda of hamstringing America;Evita's role in Uranium One ,the fact that the Kremlin paid Bubba $145 million for a short speech . ) It is simply not credible that the Obots believe that they had to use spies and FISA surveillance against the Trump campaign due to suspicion that Trump might embrace and empower Moscow. They did just that for 8 years . No ,the emperor deployed the intelligence and investigative arms of the US government for politically motivated reasons that they still can't back up with credible facts .

For the record Halper's encounter with Page occurred prior to July 31, 2016 (the date the FBI has said the investigation began) . They met mid-July at Cambridge and Page says the invitation was received in early June. Page says his attendance at the Cambridge event was paid for by the organizers . Sounds like another sting attempt to me .

as for Gowdy ,he is playing the same semantics game the left is playing . This doesn't surprise me too much . He resigned so he can go back into private practice . He expects to rake in the dough ,which means he probably needs Democrat clients . How did he come to that conclusion....with the information the FBI has refused to release to him and Nunes ?

A republican senator said,

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/rubio-asserts-evidence-fbi-spying-trump-campaign-presidents/story?id=55444997

and how did Trump treat Rubio during the campaign ? Seriously ? It should come as no surprise that there are many never -Trumpers from both parties in office . Rubio has seen even less evidence than Gowdy . Release all the documents and let us decide .

You ever heard of an investigator releasing his documents before he finished his investigation? Wouldn't that be insane? Even senile Rudy would never do that. Until then you have every right to believe a lying cheating Dufus and his sycophants and Alex Jones or all the right wing hollering you want. Don't expect such a bleeding heart liberal as myself to go along though, or give your theories any credence. I'll wait and see what happens next.

Just to note also that obviously not everyone is going to roll over and kiss Trumps ring. Sometimes people don't forget they hate his a$$ and may do things to undermine him. So Rubio is lying and has an agenda. So what? Why should he believe a proved liar loudmouth bully?

Have you heard from #1 butt boy Nunes? Even the FOX crew is calling spygate a bunch of BS.

Don't worry Tal Trump will issue a blanket pardon and the circus will leave town

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/law-prof-trump-can-pre-pardon-all-in-russia-probe-kill-muellers-inquest

Caputo and Roger Stone now remember Talking to the Russians after 2 years of not that I recall.

Former Trump Operative Roger Stone Met With Russian Who Offered Damaging Hillary Clinton Information for $2 Million | KTLA (http://ktla.com/2018/06/17/former-trump-operative-roger-stone-met-with-russian-who-offered-damaging-hillary-clinton-information-for-2-million/)

If you're keeping count that's 12 Trump cronies that had contact with Russians and FORGOT.

It seems to me that Trump counting the Russians is not news, as a business man in the hotel business he was looking to build in Russia

all you need to know .....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIVzua11qYc

I'm not sure I need to know any of it Tom

The one thing that Horowitz misses is that his agency at the senior level has always been political dating back to the Hoover days .

Anti-Trump FBI agent Peter Strzok was forcibly removed from the bureau Tuesday afternoon, with multiple sources saying he was “escorted” from his office after the Inspector General’s scathing report.

Politics is everywhere in this country so good luck separating it from policy and practice or LAW. So Strzok takes his leave as THAT process leaves the front page and the next events takes over. I know you would rather get the dirt on Mueller, while Mueller gets the dirt on The Dufus Gang, but you know how this works... whatever the latest BREAKING NEWS comes up is what we holler about.

Like the old story about lead poisoning that continues in Michigan. Or Wilbur Ross dumping stocks ahead of the trade wars. You know, political news that the Dufus rather you not talk about.

why is lead in the water in Michigan Trump's fault ?

why is lead in the water in Michigan Trump's fault ?

You mean to say you don't think he could remove it with a Presidential Order?

The STATE of Michigan declared water in Flint safe and ended the free bottled water give away earlier this month . The EPA gave $100 million to solved the problem.

The STATE of Michigan declared water in Flint safe and ended the free bottled water give away earlier this month . The EPA gave $100 million to solved the problem.
Would you drink it?

https://www.michigan.gov/flintwater


Will filters and water test kits continue to be available?


Yes. The state will continue to provide free water filters, replacement cartridges, and water testing kits until service line replacement is completed. Filters will continue to be available for residents who feel more comfortable using a filter until their confidence in the water quality can be re-established. Filters and residential sampling kits are available at City Hall or by contacting CORE at 810-238-6700.

QUOTE]
Would you drink it? [/QUOTE]




not without passing it through a charcoal filter .But that is how I deal with public water at home also .

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jul/3/senate-intel-backs-finding-russia-helped-trump/


Senate Intelligence committee backs finding that Russia tried to help Trump



Congress’ leading probe into the Russian meddling issue released a summary of its initial findings on Tuesday, which concluded that the “overall judgments” made by the country’s leading intelligence agencies in January 2017 “were well-supported and the tradecraft was strong.”The committee’s investigation also found “that the Russian cyber operations were more extensive than the hack of the Democratic National Committee and continued well through the 2016 election.”


Unlike the House investigation clown circus with it's republican sycophants for the president, Nunes, Jordan, and Gowdy, the Senate was a bipartisan investigation.

The Democrats were a short time ago skeptics of Intel assessments. Even when proof backed up the assertions they doubted the reliability of intel ;not just gathered by the hand picked investigators of political hack James Clapper ,but of the world's intel agencies evaluations . Here we have a case where there has been zero evidence submitted to the public ;yet we are asked to trust the assessment of the Intel agencies .


The report doesn't imply that the Russians influenced the outcome of the election -- only that they had ambitions to do so.
Now let's for argument sake grant that Russia's agitprop campaign was designed to undermine Evita and help Trump win . Where is the proof of "collusion " by the Trump campaign ? I'm sorry ,but
telling us that Clapper, Brennan and Comey said so does not convince .
One could also ask why the investigation into Russian meddling was put on "stand down " during the fall of 2018 ?



isch: "'We've been told to stand down.' … 'I was incredulous and in disbelief. It took me a moment to process.' … Is that an accurate description of what happened?"Daniel: "That is an accurate rendering of the conversation at the staff meeting."Daniel went on to say it was "not accurate to say all activities [related to the investigation] ceased at that point," but essentially he had been told by Susan Rice to stop investigating Russian meddling at its height – more than two months before the election.

https://www.onenewsnow.com/politics-govt/2018/06/26/was-stand-down-order-for-the-nations-benefit-or-obamas

Of the 2 candidates ,I can only think of one where there is proof of aiding Russia. That would be Evita's Uranium One deal with it's
$$$$ 145 Million to the Clinton Foundation
.
If one calls a few thousand spent on pathetic social media plugs interference then what would they call paying for a fake dossier to support using intel services to spy on a campaign via FISA warrants and implanting politically motivated FBI hacks into the oppositions campaign ?


BTW where did the Democrat's server go ? Convenient that it just went missing when the truth about the hacks are there for discovery.

It was fall 2016, and from your link source


Daniel
: "... We shifted our focus in that September and October time frame to focus heavily on better protecting and assisting the states in better protecting the electoral infrastructure and ensuring that we had the greatest visibility as possible into what the Russians were doing and developing essentially an incident response plan for election day."

You also forget that Slick Mitch and repub leaders refused to go along with the plan to make it public in a bipartisan way, preferring to make it a dem political stunt if Obama released the info anyway. Which is exactly what the Dufus claims now, and exactly why you are repeating his talking points yet again.



BTW where did the Democrat's server go ? Convenient that it just went missing when the truth about the hacks are there for discovery.

That was his answer to Bartiromo's question about bringing up Russian interference in the election.

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/fox-news-maria-bartiromo-is-getting-slammed-for-her-friendly-interview-with-trump/ar-AAzuYiL



The morning host later asked Trump if he would bring up Russian interference in the election during his upcoming summit with Russian President Vladimir Putin. Trump ignored the question, instead saying he would like to know "why the FBI didn't take the server from the DNC," apparently referring to the unsubstantiated claim that the Democratic National Committee refused to cooperate with federal law enforcement during its investigation of its hacked server during the 2016 election.

Of course we know his statement is just another LIE he feeds the gullibles and sycophants.

Did John Podesta deny CIA and FBI access to DNC server, as Donald Trump claims? | PolitiFact (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/jul/11/donald-trump/did-john-podesta-deny-cia-and-fbi-access-dnc-serve/)



The DNC says it cooperated with the FBI, providing information on the server through a third-party vendor.The FBI provided no comment, but then-FBI director Comey said it was an appropriate substitute.

I don't need your computer if I download YOUR hard drive to put it in simple terms for the technologically challenged.

Robert Mueller ,in a court filing Friday ,said that his prosecutors will not present evidence regarding Trump campaign collusion with Russia during the upcoming trial for Paul Manafort. That's because he's got nothing .

So show trial in the best leftist traditions