come on man ! Your diversion is that Whitaker served on the advisory board of a company under FBI investigation ? A position he was paid
$9,375 for his service ? What did he do ;lick the stamps ? Actually I know what his service was . He appeared in some promotional videos .Ok so he will have to recuse himself from any part of any criminal investigation into
World Patent Marketing Inc.

I suppose you're right Tom, you can replace the top cop in the land with anybody as long as he is a loyal sycophant.

He is an acting AG. If Trump elects to appoint him then he will have to go through the Senate confirmation process. I'm sure the Dems have their bag of Bork/Kavanaugh tricks up their sleeves for that contingency .

Late Night Funny #2 (https://www.arcamax.com/jokes/s-2145143?ezine=1)


Believe it or not, the company (Matthew Whitaker) was promoting turned out to be a scam and was forced to pay millions of dollars in damages after being shut down by the F.T.C. But ‘only the best people.’We’ve got a Jacuzzi salesman as attorney general. He should ‘jacuz’ himself from the Mueller probe.

Jimmy Kimmel (http://abc.go.com/shows/jimmy-kimmel-live)

HAR HAR!

Tal things are what they are, Mueller hasn't indicted anyone recently, want to know why? It's because his investigation has run out of whatever it needs to proceed. Evidence is thin on the ground, but maybe he should investigate why Putin gave Donald a thumps up the other day, got to be evidence of something, or maybe he could investigate why Marcon gave Donald a crushing handshake, evidence of something there. Wait, closer to home, why was Putin standing next to the Aussie head of state, now there is real evidence Putin is influencing US allies and with elections coming up we can expect he will do something

Your sarcasm font was missing but I hear you! Don't buy any Russian planes though even if Putin promises you free tours to the White House. Mueller will be back in the news once all the election ballots are counted and the voting fraud court cases are over.

yeah it will take time to count all the ballots from people who could not prove they were eligible to vote.

here is some poetic justice...…

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46217085

Your sarcasm font was missing but I hear you! Don't buy any Russian planes though even if Putin promises you free tours to the White House. Mueller will be back in the news once all the election ballots are counted and the voting fraud court cases are over.

More sarcasm, I fail to see the relevance of that, whether the Demorats have the House or not should not influence Meuller who after all, is non political


yeah it will take time to count all the ballots from people who could not prove they were eligible to vote.

here is some poetic justice...…

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46217085

Do you have to prove eligibility, what is the world coming too, with a 34% turnout you need those votes

I don't think politics or media influences Mueller at all, he just keeps his head down and mouth shut and lets everybody else speculate. However its an unspoken agreement to NOT do anything that may or may not influence and election so we have a lull in the action so to speak during the election season. That was the mistake of the FBI investigation of the Clinton emails during 2016 election cycle, but nobody even knew of the investigation into the Dufus at the time. Maybe it would have made no difference at the time but PERCEPTION is everything in politics here.

To weigh in on the eligibility of voters here though, there is a lot more voter suppression than fraud by a huge amount. Repubs use eligibility rules to justify purges of the roles and Jim Crow tactics to intimidate and discourage voters from casting ballots. However when a judge, and law enforcement can see no evidence of ANY fraud then you can easily see that those that holler fraud are LYING and distracting you from the real issue of lawfully counting all the votes.

Repubs had to see the day coming that voters would catch on to the tricks they pull to influence an election, and the dufus and his sycophants fattening his base up didn't help at all. LOL, the minute the dufus stops his regular feeding of the sycophants, they will turn on him like animals, and devour him and repubs.

Just ask JL why he is still holding his nose two years after the dufus won.

Just ask JL why he is still holding his nose two years after the dufus won.

Putting this on context you think Trump's win was rigged. It was the only game in town for Republicans and they voted for him, Hilliary, of course, thought she was cheated even though Trump had a massive electoral college advantage. What you need is some electoral reform and it all taken out of the hands of local officials

Just ask JL why he is still holding his nose two years after the dufus won.

Same reason as the time you asked. He was a mediocre candidate, but not nearly so much as the most inept, unqualified, and thoroughly dishonest candidate to run in my lifetime, and that of course was the "hero of Benghazi", the queen of emails, Ms. Hillary Clinton.

But it is still good to hear from you, Tal. We retired folks do have to stick together.

I guess it's the Dufus's turn in the barrel.

What a big deal, Donald the Dump answering questions, I hear you have the much used fifth amendment

I don't think it's just the Dufus. There is a sword hanging over the heads of his family as well. Mueller got Manafort caught up in a money paper trail, and a president who pleads the 5th... I don't know if he gets away with that. Justice Dept has a lot of leverage even though the dufus has a snitch and sycophant embedded, and a Kavanaughed Supreme Court. Let's not forget he lost his sycophants in the House, and is still losing more as votes are certified, and the opposition grows and who knows what other rat jumps ship, or walks the planks in the coming weeks.

I might not have time for Netflix for a while.





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yup keep counting until you get the results you want . Very convenient
Palm Beach Co commish Susan Bucher delaying handing in the machine recount past the deadline triggering a mandated hand count .I don't recall Trump pleading the 5th .This is more strawman building.

You object to the counting of all the votes cast Tom? It would probably go faster with some updated reliable counting equipment rather than some old outdated stuff whose maker no longer exists, and less voter suppression tactics by repubs in the first place. Repubs have had 8 years to fix the system and they clearly have failed. The whole notion of not counting all votes is as absurd as the claims of fraud that repubs have spewed for decades now.



What a big deal, Donald the Dump answering questions, I hear you have the much used fifth amendment


Clete never said the dufus has pleaded the 5th, but he does have a right as Mueller's investigation continues and he ties Stone, Assange, and the dufus together.

Clete never said the dufus has pleaded the 5th, but he does have a right as Mueller's investigation continues and he ties Stone, Assange, and the dufus together.

You see it is easy to get verballed here, and just as easy for Trump I suspect, there are two question, what did he know, and what didn't he know and any answer he gives will be misinterpreted, so the fifth is the better option

That's just what the dufus gets for running his big mouth without engaging his brain or EARS first. He's been told to shut up and stay off twitter, but still he persists.

Oh well. Another one bites the dust! Nelson concedes.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bill-nelson-concedes-florida-senate-race-to-rick-scott-after-manual-recount

You object to the counting of all the votes cast Tom? Yes I do because provisional ballots were never verified that the people casting those ballots were eligible to vote .

Trump never plead the 5th . He has written responses to Mueller's inquiry and will submit them this week. No doubt Inspector Clouseau will try to build a perjury charge based on Trump's responses . The one thing that is clear is that the original cause for investigation Russia-gate has no merit .

Those provisional ballots were probably voters purged by repubs suppressing the vote.

Trump never plead the 5th . He has written responses to Mueller's inquiry and will submit them this week. No doubt Inspector Clouseau will try to build a perjury charge based on Trump's responses . The one thing that is clear is that the original cause for investigation Russia-gate has no merit .

Exactly correct, especially the part about Russia-gate.

Drink more Kool aid if you're going to let the dufus feed you that rotted meat!

Drink more Kool aid if you're going to let the dufus feed you that rotted meat!

Says the man who believed every word out of the mouth of Obama and Clinton.

Those provisional ballots were people who could not prove they were eligible to vote in that district ......period .

Or didn't know they had been purged. I think they have a time limit to prove they should be counted, but of course by then it would be too late. Nice plan to suppress the vote by repubs, a craft they have perfected over the years. They should enjoy it while it lasts as that pendulum seems to be swing back the other way.

Or didn't know they had been purged. I think they have a time limit to prove they should be counted, but of course by then it would be too late. Nice plan to suppress the vote by repubs, a craft they have perfected over the years.

You seem to believe that everyone too disinterested or lazy (or whatever) to keep track of their eligibility to vote must certainly have been a sure-fire democrat vote.

Repubs think they are and that's what counts. They drew the maps up so likely they know who lives where.

Why would Republicans suppress Republican votes?

Nice plan to suppress the vote by repubs, a craft they have perfected over the years.


60 million people voted Democrat IN A MIDTERM. Republicans are the worst vote suppressors EVER.


The 1993 National Voter Registration Act mandates that state and local elections officers keep voter registration lists accurate by removing the names of people who die, move or fail in successive elections to vote. Voters who’ve been convicted of a felony, ruled mentally incompetent or found to be noncitizens also can be removed.(1993 both Houses of Congress were Democrat and the President was Bubba).

Repubs think they are and that's what counts.

The primary thing to me is that YOU think they are. So you're saying that democrat voters are the ones most likely to be too stupid, lazy, indifferent, or whatever to keep up with their eligibility to vote. Interesting.

A false premise based on faulty data. Why do you seem to ignore voter suppression, and Jim Crow tactics? Maybe it's a NORMAL thing in your state.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_suppression_in_the_United_States

AND

https://www.sunherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article220534340.html

Or maybe your great at holding your nose and will keep doing so in your OWN state election run off for the US senate?

I simply pointed out the logical conclusion from your own statement: "Or didn't know they had been purged. I think they have a time limit to prove they should be counted, but of course by then it would be too late. Nice plan to suppress the vote by repubs, a craft they have perfected over the years."

You are plainly implying that most of the voters who "didn't know they had been purged" would have voted democrat. That's not exactly a flattering statement about democrat voters. I have no sympathy for anyone who doesn't pay enough attention to keep up with their voter eligibility, especially in democratic strongholds where you can have been dead for years and yet still have your vote counted.

As for my state of Mississippi, we have more elected black individuals in government, including the mayors of most of our larger cities, than any other state. That would hardly be the consequence of "Jim Crow tactics". So if you are going to make a statement about it, at least try to make an informed one.

You are plainly implying that most of the voters who "didn't know they had been purged" would have voted democrat.
Those voters were purged BECAUSE they had voted Democrat in the past.

Those voters were purged BECAUSE they had voted Democrat in the past.

If there was any proof of that, then they would all be in court by this afternoon.

BTW, how would you, or anyone else, have known how those people voted on a secret ballot?

Oh come on dude, I plainly SPECIFIED your stateWIDE races, which is a nuanced difference between the locals that give the state election officials a great database to target certain zip codes. You seem rather oblivious to those nuanced targeted tactics of your own state officials.

Now would be a great time to let your nose go and achieve a broader view of a BIGGER picture than just your own narrow perspective. Take no offense as there is none intended, as conservative repubs and dems alike tend to not want any kind of sweeping changes that improve the lots of the collective being comfortable with what the world is to them. I place no blame or fault for that position as what human happy with the way it is considers those that are not, or even listen and acknowledge there may be an issue.

Such transitions of the human condition are never smooth, or popular, though changes and adjustments are inevitable for evolution and survival. In Mississippi specifically, if you can hold your nose and vote for Hyde Smith after she joked about lynching and suppressing votes of the others...go for it.

Would shock me at all!

I plainly SPECIFIED your stateWIDE races,

No, you did not. "Why do you seem to ignore voter suppression, and Jim Crow tactics? Maybe it's a NORMAL thing in your state."

As to the senate race, which is the ONLY specific reference you made, if the dems would run a Walter Williams, Thomas Sowell, or Dr. Ben Carson instead of the amazingly corrupt Mike Espy, they would probably be winning now. It is a matter of policy, not of race.


vote for Hyde Smith after she joked about lynching and suppressing votes of the others...go for it.

You need to start checking your facts. She has made no jokes at all about lynching. As to jokes about suppressing votes, I have never even heard the allegation made until you made it. Where are you getting that from?

Of course you are fine with Espy getting paid 400k for one month's work for an African dictator who is now on trial for crimes against humanity and afterwards lied about it. Yes, that is fine.

https://www.sunherald.com/news/politics-government/election/article221738685.html

If there was any proof of that, then they would all be in court by this afternoon.
No, because they are brown and black people who don't know what power they have.


BTW, how would you, or anyone else, have known how those people voted on a secret ballot?
Because gerrymandering in Illinois is a popular Republican sport. Have watched that sport for years. Suppressing votes and purging voters are popular pastimes.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/16/hyde-smith-joke-liberal-voting-995510

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/controversies-hamper-candidates-mississippi-senate-race/story?id=59256622

I guess it still silly season in Mississippi.

No, because they are brown and black people who don't know what power they have.

Yeah. I'm sure the democrat party would just stand around with their hands in their pockets and do nothing. You are living in the America of fifty years ago.


Because gerrymandering in Illinois is a popular Republican sport.


Uhm...Perhaps you can explain how the repubs are doing that when the dems are FIRMLY in control of both houses of the Illinois legislature.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/16/hyde-smith-joke-liberal-voting-995510

Did you bother to read this? It seems to support the contention that Hyde-Smith was taken out of context. Even the quote they provide doesn't support your allegation.

In the meantime, you are content with Espy's corruption, and considering you voted for Clinton, that is not surprising.

Yeah. I'm sure the democrat party would just stand around with their hands in their pockets and do nothing.
It was a sneak attack by Republicans.


Uhm...Perhaps you can explain how the repubs are doing that when the dems are FIRMLY in control of both houses of the Illinois legislature.
Republicans want back the control they lost.

I've reached the conclusion we all are screwed up. Some a lot more than others.

Republicans want back the control they lost.

So the republicans, who do not have control, have magically gerrymandered districts so the can regain control. Lunacy.

Looking at my reply an hour later, "Lunacy" is a mean-sounding response. My apologies. I do think your reasoning, however, is not as well thought out as it could be.


I've reached the conclusion we all are screwed up. Some a lot more than others.

Just about right.

Why do you seem to ignore voter suppression, and Jim Crow tactics? Maybe it's a NORMAL thing in your state.

Those voters were purged BECAUSE they had voted Democrat in the past.


The 1993 National Voter Registration Act mandates that state and local elections officers keep voter registration lists accurate by
removing the names of people who die, move or fail in successive elections to vote.
Voters who’ve been convicted of a felony, ruled mentally incompetent or found to be noncitizens also can be removed.(1993 both Houses of Congress were Democrat and the President was Bubba).



Because gerrymandering in Illinois is a popular Republican sport. Have watched that sport for years. Suppressing votes and purging voters are popular pastimes.
My rep was gerrymandered out of office years ago. My current rep is in a solid Dem district who ran unopposed and will now chair the very powerful House Appropriations Committee . But I am not represented in Congress at all. She lives in a different county on the other side of the Hudson river from my town. My vote was suppressed years ago.

So the republicans, who do not have control, have magically gerrymandered districts so the can regain control. Lunacy.
Yup. They redraw the boundaries.

So the republicans, who do not have control, have magically gerrymandered districts so the can regain control. Lunacy.

That's what all the lawsuits have been about. What? You haven't been keeping up? Maybe this will get you caught up and current

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/unpacked/2018/02/28/the-supreme-court-and-partisan-gerrymandering-cases/

https://www.brennancenter.org/issues/redistricting

@Tom

Provisional Ballots Protect Voting Rights — When They Are Counted (http://www.governing.com/topics/politics/sl-provisional-ballots-voting-rights-midterms.html)

In addition... https://www.justice.gov/crt/about-national-voter-registration-act



The Act also requires notification of all applicants of whether their voter registration applications were accepted or rejected. The Act requires States to keep voter registration lists accurate and current, such as identifying persons who have become ineligible due to having died or moved outside the jurisdiction. At the same time, the Act requires list maintenance programs to incorporate specific safeguards, e.g., that they be uniform, non-discriminatory, in compliance with the Voting Rights Act, and not be undertaken within 90 days of a federal election. The removal of voters for non-voting or for having moved can only be done after meeting certain requirements provided in the Act. The Act allows for removal of voters from registration lists when they have been convicted of a disqualifying crime or adjudged mentally incapacitated, where such removals are allowed by state law. The NVRA also provides additional safeguards under which registered voters would be able to vote notwithstanding a change in address in certain circumstances. For example, voters who move within a district or a precinct will retain the right to vote even if they have not re-registered at their new address. The NVRA became effective in most states on January 1, 1995. The Act applies to 44 states and the District of Columbia. Section 4(b) (https://www.justice.gov/crt/about/vot/42usc/subch_ih.php#anchor_1973gg-2)
of the Act provided that states were exempt from the Act if, as of August 1, 1994, they had no voter registration requirements or had election-day registration at polling places. These six states are Idaho, Minnesota, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Wisconsin, and Wyoming. In addition, the Act granted additional time to Arkansas, Vermont, and Virginia to comply because they needed to change their constitutions in order to comply with the Act and maintain a unitary registration system for federal and state elections.

That's what all the lawsuits have been about. What? You haven't been keeping up? Maybe this will get you caught up and current.

If you are going to put up links, at least take the time to read them and be sure they actually have something to do with Illinois. I'm not going to read your links anymore. It's just plain nonsense.


Yup. They redraw the boundaries.

Yes. The democrats in power redrew the boundaries so the repubs could gain power. That certainly makes a lot of sense.

If you are going to put up links, at least take the time to read them and be sure they actually have something to do with Illinois. I'm not going to read your links anymore. It's just plain nonsense.

LOL, of course its nonsense to you since you cannot relate federal law to state law nor comprehend the differences. You would actually have to look up the state you want to reference and being a Texan (Transplanted from right outside Chicago) at this stage of life why the heck would I argue what goes on in freakin Illinois? Heck you can barely keep up with YOUR state rules and regs, and tricks and traps.

Okay, Lets start you off real slow with the basics

https://www.bettergov.org/news/gerrymandering-in-illinois-new-numbers-challenge-conventional-wisdom

Yes. The democrats in power redrew the boundaries so the repubs could gain power. That certainly makes a lot of sense.

Repubs redraw boundaries -- Illinois, in Chicago, on Native American reservations, wherever there are large groups of people who tend to vote Dem.

LOL, of course its nonsense to you since you cannot relate federal law to state law nor comprehend the differences. You would actually have to look up the state you want to reference and being a Texan (Transplanted from right outside Chicago) at this stage of life why the heck would I argue what goes on in freakin Illinois? Heck you can barely keep up with YOUR state rules and regs, and tricks and traps.

Your arguments make no sense at all considering that the discussion was ABOUT Illinois. And I'm finished with your aimless links.


Repubs redraw boundaries -- Illinois, in Chicago, on Native American reservations, wherever there are large groups of people who tend to vote Dem.

Yes. I'm sure that's what happened. The democrat controlled state legislature redrew the district lines to benefit the republican minority. Of course. It all makes perfectly good sense. And then they all flew over to Never Never Land and visited with Peter Pan.

I've reached the conclusion we all are screwed up. Some a lot more than others.

Tal if you want to translate that as you are all screwed I would agree with you

Tal if you want to translate that as you are all screwed I would agree with you

I generally don't agree with Tal, but I admire his honesty and passion.

Repubs redraw boundaries -- Illinois, in Chicago, on Native American reservations, wherever there are large groups of people who tend to vote Dem. Yes we can agree that both parties gerrymander when they get the chance. The difference is that when Repubs do it they can find judge who will declare the Repub redistricting unconstitutional (ie PA)

A single district judge over ruled Trump's asylum decision . This is just a game of prevent defense because they know if the case went to SCOTUS it would be smacked down, .A district judge does not have the constitutional authority for national security that POTUS has.

He has the authority to stay the order pending oral arguments which he did. His job is to rule on the legality of the Dufus's proclamation, which he will, and the dufus can appeal to a higher court if it's struck down. That's how the process works. Meanwhile the dufus has submitted his answers to Mueller's question and thinks it's over, while the dufus kids have started scandals of their own over emails of all things, and we still have that spy guy for the dufus at Justice, so it's a very interesting holiday season coming up.

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Hard to believe that Ivanka Trump was that stupid. She is now on the level of HC, and that is far from a compliment. Her only plea is that, unlike HC, she did not erase half of the emails and then say, with a straight face, "Trust me. None of those emails had any useful information on them."

She should have no problem turning them over for scrutiny then. Trust but VERIFY. Yeah pretty stupid to be embroiled in this kind of thing after all the campaign rhetoric and chanting by daddy dufus and his sycophants. The dufus promised to prosecute HC over this, and still wants too. She may not be the only family member to get caught up in this either.

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prosecute HC over this

No, the problem with HC was the destruction of evidence in erasing the hard drive. IT has not done that. But it was still an amazingly dumb thing to do.

Totally agree with that. I also think she has withered unrelenting attacks from enemies and critics for decades, some deserved, some not so deserved,

Her policies though fit my ideas of how government and America should be run. No secret there.

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/

I can understand her protecting her privacy, and family, against hyper partisans.

I sometimes wonder what is the point of having a president if no one does what he says

The dufus ior any president is but a third of the government and if now that the feckless house sycophants have lost power maybe we can get some CONSENSUS going.

maybe we can get some CONSENSUS going.

Like the consensus that did NOT exist during Obama's first two years??

Hard to believe that Ivanka Trump was that stupid. She is now on the level of HC, and that is far from a compliment. Her only plea is that, unlike HC, she did not erase half of the emails and then say, with a straight face, "Trust me. None of those emails had any useful information on them." not quite .It has been established already that many government operatives have violated the ban on the use of private email . Combined they all pale to setting up an unsecured private server to conduct State Dept business. Whatever Ivanka emailed can be retrieved from the primary server . Evita's server was scrubbed ;and the only record of her emails are what can be found on recipient accounts (like Carlos Danger's )

not quite .It has been established already that many government operatives have violated the ban on the use of private email . Combined they all pale to setting up an unsecured private server to conduct State Dept business. Whatever Ivanka emailed can be retrieved from the primary server . Evita's server was scrubbed ;and the only record of her emails are what can be found on recipient accounts (like Carlos Danger's )

Well stated.

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Have you seen the garbage that Bill Maher has been saying about Stan Lee's passing ? Stan Lee's characters and stories will live on in American Mythology along with tales like Paul Bunyan ,John Henry ,and Johnny Apple Seed . He is right up there with Walt Disney in terms of cultural influence.

Bill Maher will be a sniveling snarky blip in our history . He will has already passed on to irrelevance .

https://www.arcamax.com/newspics/167/16791/1679185.gif Trump's reaction is disgusting . In the world of Realpolitik ,
transactional relations with rogues are something you do, and not talk/tweet about ;and you certainly don't pat yourself on back for it.

Bill Maher was right! Batman and Superman started in the 30's and are still around, as will The Marvel Universe, as a part of American folklore. I don't see Johnny blowing up the movie theaters.


Trump's reaction is disgusting . In the world of Realpolitik ,
transactional relations with rogues are something you do, and not talk/tweet about ;and you certainly don't pat yourself on back for it.


This gets worse as we still have a few years to go maybe more with the dufus circus.

This gets worse as we still have a few years to go maybe more with the dufus circus.

It cannot get worse, you know this. quack, quack, said the Duck, quack, quack

Bill Maher was right! wrong . If all he sees in comics is children's books then he is the shallow one.

Sorry Tom I misread your post, and obviously misunderstood Maher's closing monologue about Stan Lee.

wrong . If all he sees in comics is children's books then he is the shallow one.

Comics are for those who can't read without pictures, obviously Lee found that huge, untapped audience

I get it .You think mythology ended with the Yowie or maybe with the tales from Homer .Comic books are modern mythology. They show us a world ordinary and extraordinary.;natural and supernatural. Just as ancient man used stories of gods and monsters to explain the world, modern man uses stories of godlike heroes and monstrous villains to do the same.The illustrations are as complex or more so than the work of many artists revered . I read comics because I appreciate the art work and the story lines.

I get it .You think mythology ended with the Yowie or maybe with the tales from Homer .Comic books are modern mythology. They show us a world ordinary and extraordinary.;natural and supernatural. Just as ancient man used stories of gods and monsters to explain the world, modern man uses stories of godlike heroes and monstrous villains to do the same.The illustrations are as complex or more so than the work of many artists revered . I read comics because I appreciate the art work and the story lines.


Scripture tells us there is a time for putting aside childish things, but Stan Lee resurrected this world of myth. I have no need of modern day gods anymore than I had need of ancient ones, as for the yowie, that is a stone age myth

Continued would be a more accurate word than resurrected. Comic books and the spin offs from them have always been a popular genre of entertainment, and one can say informative and educational, as well as a reflection of the social contemporary commentary.

tal exactly This is from Capt America's debut . March 1941 . Over a year before the United States
entered WWII .https://static0.cbrimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/captainamerica1.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=738&dpr=1.5

Illustrated by Jack "The King" Kirby, the gold standard and inspiration of comic book artists. Co creator of Marvel with Stan "The Man" Lee.

Yeah that's a tear in my eyes folks!

My parents and grandparents read comics to me before my nap times. It was one of the ways I learned early how to read and learned about characters interacting with each other and their environment. Rabbit hunter Elmer Fudd hunting Bugs Bunny, Uncle Scrooge swimming in his wealth, cowboys and bad guys, and the good vs. evil in superhero comics. Lessons about life.

Illustrated by Jack "The King" Kirby, the gold standard and inspiration of comic book artists. Co creator of Marvel with Stan "The Man" Lee.

Yeah that's a tear in my eyes folks!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miOpmWYLp-k

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tell me which President hasn't sucked up to a ME tyrant ? Please ! The emperor was sending plane loads of cash to the 12ers in Tehran to appease them.

That's what conservatives and repubs like to say, but we all know it was there money frozen in US banks because of sanctions. It was returned after the nuclear deal. You know that Tom, so why join the right wing holler machine?

I would've diverted all the funds to the Green Movement . But the emperor turned his back on them in his quest to make Iran the regional hegemon and to "negotiate " a nuclear deal that the 12ers violated before the ink was dry . Don't deny it .

What is this obscession with Iran, OK they escaped the US hegemon and upset your regional foreign policy but you should get used to it because others will do the same. All nations should be free to pursue their national interests as long as it doesn't lead to war. The Chinese have thumbed their nose at you and will do what they want to despite your threats. Russia will do the same

Russia is boarding Ukrainian sea vessels

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/11/25/russia-fires-ukrainian-vessels-black-sea-2-wounded/2109989002/

Manafort violates plea deal.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/paul-manafort-lied-invalidating-his-plea-deal-with-mueller-report-2018-11-26?mod=hp_minor_pos19

Manafort violates plea deal.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/pa...hp_minor_po (https://www.marketwatch.com/story/paul-manafort-lied-invalidating-his-plea-deal-with-mueller-report-2018-11-26?mod=hp_minor_pos19) Manafort and Papadopoulos are small potatoes .

The Russian action is worrying but it is a local issue, what Manafort does is of little consequence, we should look upon Meuller as past tense now

Manafort is a career international criminal with deep ties to powerful Russians and mobsters. I would lie to Mueller too, if asked about anything to do with Russia since no place is safe from Vlad The Impaler, not even a secure prison!

About Vlad, his taking control of the seas is no surprise since he already controls the land, and its clearly an expansion of Russian authority.

We are now supposed to believe that Manafort went to see Julian Assange 3 times to coordinate the release of the hacked emails of the DNC ;and no one knew about it until now .

Vlad knew, he is the one who stole them... DUH!

Vlad certainly knew .Podesta's and Evita's emails were an open book for a novice hacker ;let alone Wikileaks . .
If Manafort went to see him it is easily verifiable and CNN would've reported about it months ago. I’m sure the deal is that Manafort has to lie and say the info came from the Russians, and then to Assange; and not from the DNC (ie Seth Rich...but as Evita says "dead men tell no tales "). If he does that, he gets a sweetheart deal on his sentence.
If he doesn’t, he spends the rest of his life in prison, is bankrupted, along with the rests of his family.That’s called Justice, in the Land of the swamp.
Trump must declassify everything before Mueller's final report .

Can't wait to read that FINAL report

Trump is not in any legal jeopardy . Mueller can and has run roghshod over his associates and may have his family in his radar . So far he got Flynn for a non-lie ; Papadopolus a goof ball who got played by a
western intel source;Joseph Mifsud who people still call “Russian.” He will spend a week or 2 in jail because he was low level and Mueller had no real use for him. Manafort and Gates got nailed for business practices that happened long before Manafort became the temporary Trump campaign chair. I think it lasted a month before Trump replaced him . He got Trump's lawyer on some taxi scheme in NY . Oh yeah and he indicted a bunch of Ruskie pajama boys who were bots on Facebook. It is laughable to say they had any influence in the course of the election. But I'm sure Mueller will come up with something he can give to the Dems in the House to begin impeachment proceedings if they are stupid enough to go down that road .

. But I'm sure Mueller will come up with something he can give to the Dems in the House to begin impeachment proceedings if they are stupid enough to go down that road .

Yes he has strung out his investigation long enough for the wind to change

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0O1W4eSMWk

Really fellas? You righties sure know how to make up stuff instead of waiting for the facts.

Really ? Like the dossier that was actually written in 2007 by Glen Simpson ?
https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB117674837248471543 All they did was add Trump's name to it to make it the dossier that was submitted as the primary evidence to the FISA court .

I'm glad I'm not in the position of having to try and defend Mueller, Comey, and the dems associated with the whole, smelly business. If there had been Russian collusion with Trump, I think Mueller would have brought that out prior to this last election.

What is really sick about this whole thing is the non-political actors like Peter Strzok ;Lisa Page ,Rod Rosenstein ;maybe even Jame Comey, will probably be in legal jeopardy over this while Pols like Evita ,the emperor ,Susan Rice will get off scott free even though they orchestrated the whole thing .

Really fellas? You righties sure know how to make up stuff instead of waiting for the facts.

I can wait for the dems to start poking around since we got rid of the repub sycophants who told us nothing to see here, and the dufus hollering lies everyday. Go ahead keep listening to a lying cheating dufus.

I do my own research . Trump did not direct me to the 2007 version of the dossier .

I can wait for the dems to start poking around since we got rid of the repub sycophants who told us nothing to see here, and the dufus hollering lies everyday.

Trump Derangement Syndrome. It's when a person sees the congress primarily as a means of revenge against Trump rather than working to benefit the country. Thankfully, in Mississippi we had the good sense to elect the 53rd repub senator yesterday, so Mr. Trump can continue to appoint high quality judges.

If your happy I'm happy. Keep hollering about the government taking your money and giving it to poor people, and saying nothing when the rich guy gets even more of it.

I want the rich guy to keep as much as possible, as well as you, me, and everyone else that earns their money honestly. I don't believe any American has an individual right to their money, their house, their car, their furniture, or anything else they have legally earned.

Given the human condition, specifically here in America, I think that's a tribal position. Plenty of room for all kinds of hanky, panky as well as evolving to make a more perfect union. Its proving to be a messy and contentious and SLOW process with seemingly no consequences for rich guy screw ups.

I want a rich guy to get his riches honestly, and keep them the same way, and leave enough for the rest of us who ain't so rich.

Given the human condition, specifically here in America, I think that's a tribal position.

It's a tribal position to hope that EVERYONE get to keep as much of their income as possible? What tribe is it, the Everyone tribe??

I guess we are back to what a living wage is. You never addressed my Walmart business model. I guess it makes sense for a full time worker to be on public assistance.

I still want to know what "tribe" you think I am trying to associate with in my earlier statement.


You never addressed my Walmart business model. I guess it makes sense for a full time worker to be on public assistance.

Well, I thought I did. If you want to assume that all business growth comes on the level of Walmart, then go for it, but that is far from true. When the economy grows, all sorts of jobs become available, and when unemployment gets below some place, and let's just say 4% for sake of argument, then the competition for quality employees will begin to drive up wages. I lived in Dallas in the early 80's to go to Bible college, and I worked a lot of part-time jobs to support myself. Minimum wage was somewhere around $3.50, but no one paid that. The least you would get was 5 dollars. That was because everyone was looking for someone who was really prepared to work honestly.

But the key thing for employees is to make yourself valuable. Don't be ordinary. Learn to do your job extremely well. Keep your big mouth shut. Get to work on time, don't miss work unless you are truly ill, and be willing to do what you are asked to do without griping. Get along with people. People like that are in high demand.

Walmart and MANY other companies get locked into huge tax breaks from local governments often using imminent domain to secure land, then pay cheap wages and even cheaper wages from overseas to make their products they sell here. What happens to those cities that GM is leaving? How many years will it take to rebound from such a loss? When companies leave for whatever reason, the whole town dies.

Even in the 80's $5 bucks an hour was not enough to support a family very well, but I remember my struggles from my own humble beginnings.

But the key thing for employees is to make yourself valuable. Don't be ordinary. Learn to do your job extremely well. Keep your big mouth shut. Get to work on time, don't miss work unless you are truly ill, and be willing to do what you are asked to do without griping. Get along with people. People like that are in high demand.

Right on !


Even in the 80's $5 bucks an hour was not enough to support a family very well, Is every job offered in the market supposed to support a family ? Come on ! I took many jobs that I knew would not support a family . They were entry level and not supposed to be a permanent career .

Takes time to move from entry level to a career, and conditions make it mighty hard to move up, or move around and none can be done without great disruptions. Look around, people are already still working more than one job, and the concept of the working poor is no joke. Now you can sit there in your old age and tell everybody of the hard work you did to get where you are now or you can get out and see the reality of now.

Plus JL is sick and tired of helping those low paid workers who aren't smart enough to get another job, or stop eating cheap bread. He doesn't mind helping the dufus fuel his planes, or GM build car plants in China, and close old plants here that no longer make money making products.

Minimum wages jobs are for kids, entry level jobs are for adults and should pay a living wage.

Plus JL is sick and tired of helping those low paid workers who aren't smart enough to get another job, or stop eating cheap bread. He doesn't mind helping the dufus fuel his planes, or GM build car plants in China, and close old plants here that no longer make money making products.

You have such an active imagination! I've never said any of those things, so you might try following the advice you give Trump and start telling the truth. And when you say they "aren't smart enough to get another job", you are really saying something pretty ugly about poor people. Of the two of us, you are the only one who believes that.

You mean I misunderstood you? Not me!

You mean I misunderstood you? Not me!

Misunderstand? No, I wish it had been that simple. You just made the whole thing up.

Is this made up?



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Or should we go into today's news about the Mueller Investigation

From this

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-michael-cohen-plea-deal-fraud-case-20180821-story.html

To this

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46390368

While the dufus dangles a pardon over Manafort's head!

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/418609-top-house-dem-trump-dangling-a-pardon-for-manafort-strengthening

Cohen "admits " to lying about the timing of the end of negotiations about a Trump real estate deal in Moscow. Now Trump trying to get a real estate deal in Moscow is completely legal. As I know you heard ;Trump says he was still conducting business while campaigning . He thought he was going to lose until about 9 PM election night .He was not going to suspend doing business while he was running . Only Cohen can tell you why he lied to Congress .The dealings were completely legal.

My best guess is that Mueller is still clinging to this hope that there is something there there in that meeting in Trump Tower with the Russian lawyer who promised to give them "dirt " on Evita ,but instead tried to get their support to end the Magnitsky act

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Cohen "admits " to lying about the timing of the end of negotiations about a Trump real estate deal in Moscow. Now Trump trying to get a real estate deal in Moscow is completely legal. As I know you heard ;Trump says he was still conducting business while campaigning . He thought he was going to lose until about 9 PM election night .He was not going to suspend doing business while he was running . Only Cohen can tell you why he lied to Congress .The dealings were completely legal.

My best guess is that Mueller is still clinging to this hope that there is something there there in that meeting in Trump Tower with the Russian lawyer who promised to give them "dirt " on Evita ,but instead tried to get their support to end the Magnitsky act


I don't think Mueller clings to anything, and knows more than he lets on. For one if the dufus is doing things so legally why does he and his sycophants have to lie in the first place and he did say during the campaign he had nothing to do with Russia, and had no projects there. They've been playing the clip all day. He lied! Another thing is this Manafort dude convicted felon still running to the dufus spilling his guts about what Mueller is doing. And why is the dufus even talking publicly about considering a pardon for this international criminal?

Probably doesn't matter much does it since his base could care less what he says an does...for now! That doesn't mean everybody else around him gets a free pass though.

That doesn't mean everybody else around him gets a free pass though.

and that is Mueller's real target. Ruin enough lives close to Trump and hoping Trump abdicates .

The dufus has nothing but connivers and shady characters around him any way. Look at his cabinet.

You know what is sad, that America should have needed a person like Trump to get involved in the political system to demonstrate what a sham it is

and that is Mueller's real target. Ruin enough lives close to Trump and hoping Trump abdicates .


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The dufus has nothing but connivers and shady characters around him any way. Look at his cabinet.

So he should have followed Mr. Obama's example of using really high character individuals such as email Clinton, lying Susan Rice, gun running Eric Holder, and Loretta "I met with Bill Clinton" Lynch?

Now Trump trying to get a real estate deal in Moscow is completely legal.

Hello tom:

Tis true.. But, why LIE about it? In fact, why would ALL his henchmen tell the same COORDINATED lie?? Before Cohen had his come to Jesus moment, HIS lie was coordinated too..


IF all was hunky dory, SOMBODY in that vast group of people would have told them that they don't HAVE to lie.. But, they did lie - ALL of 'em,. Something's hinky..

I'm thinking there IS a pee tape, and THAT'S what all the lying is about.. Here's the punch line, though.. What Trump doesn't know, is that even IF there IS a pee tape, his supporters would love him all the more..


Glad Mueller is on Americas side.


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I find it fascinating you and Tom can overlook the Dufus's conspiracy with Vlad to lie to the American people and cover it up, JL. What's more fascinating is after all this time repubs have had the congress no charges brought after all their investigations of ALLEGED wrongdoing by the Obama administration. Talking loud and saying NOTHING.

Mueller says NOTHING, but sends people to jail. The most fascinating thing about the dufus is you guys actually believe his lies. Funny how you can investigate the Clintons since the 90's, get nothing, but Mueller is taking to long.

Just fascinates me how so many liberals, silent during all the years of lying and corruption in the Obama admin, are now so sensitive to even the accusation of lying by Trump and his people. Where were you four years ago?

Just fascinates me how so many liberals, silent during all the years of lying and corruption in the Obama admin, are now so sensitive to even the accusation of lying by Trump and his people. Where were you four years ago?

Hello j:

Thing is, Obama was corruption FREE.. Oh, I know.. When you accused him of something, it became a scandal..

But, not really. You'd investigate, and investigate, and then investigate some more.. Whaddya get? BUPKUS! Irs? Nahh.. Fast and Furious? Nahh.. Benghazi? Nahh.. Tarmac meeting?? Nahh. Pizzagate? Nahh.. Uranium one? Nahh.. Clinton Foundation? Nahh.. Others?? Nahh.. Birtherism?? DUDE!!!

Look... This is EASY.. Your side FLAPS it's gums, while patriotic and righteous Americans PUT corrupt people in jail.. Mueller has indicted or jailed 32 people and three companies so far.. Don't forget about the dozens of sealed indictments Mueller filed with the DC court..

excon

A court of law requires EVIDENCE to prove allegations, or else there is no court proceedings. After all the allegations where is your EVIDENCE? You've had power since 2010 and that's 8 years to prove your allegations and prosecute wrong doing.

Now Mueller is gathering evidence and INDICTING folks in the court, and not hollering allegations in the media. When your side gets results, then I'll listen until then you should take notes as to how it's done.

That's where I've been, watching you guys talk loud and say NOTHING, and DO NOTHING, except lie, cheat, and steal.

Hello back to you, Ex.

Fast and Furious? Nahh Actually, it happened. No doubt about it. Was it criminal? Probably not, but still dumb beyond belief.

Benghazi? Nahh. I think the four dead Americans would disagree with you. There is no doubt at all that the Obama admin lied about it. Just ask Susan Rice about that, if you can get her to talk. Clinton's completely inept handling of the situation and Obama's total lack of timely response led directly to those deaths.

Tarmac meeting? Nahh. Again, it happened and there is no doubt about it. Lynch even admitted to it. Was it criminal, or at the very least highly unethical and suspicious, for the AG to meet with the husband of a high profile figure under FBI investigation? I'll let you answer that one.

Pizzagate? Nahh Not sure anyone took that too seriously to begin with.

Uranium one? Nahh. Again, there is no doubt but that the Russkies were allowed to purchase a significant amount of the uranium production in the U.S. Criminal. Probably not. Stupid beyond belief? Again, I'll let you answer that one

Clinton Foundation? Nahh. I don't think that can be pinned on the Obama admin.

Others? Nahh. You rather conveniently left out Clinton's email server. We are asked to believe that the 50% of the emails that disppeared at her command only contained info about her daughters high school prom. And of course that famous American of proven character, James Comey, assured us all that there was nothing there. Criminal? I think so. Dumb? No, Clinton is not that dumb. There was, I think, a motive behind all of that.

You also rather conveniently left out the Veteran's Admin scandal. Again, it happened, and there is no question about it. Not a single person was ever held accountable.

And then, of course, there was the IRS scandal of refusing to grant tax exempt status to conservative groups. I guess you failed to notice that one as well. No doubt about the fact that it happened, and that no one was ever held accountable.

Then there was the secret wiretapping of AP reporters and the massive data breach at the Office of Personnel Management that exposed the confidential records of over 10 million fed employees to hackers. But no, you would not have noticed that.

Man, I gotta tell you, you libs just amaze me. You look at all of this, and the best you can come up with is "Nahh". Criticize Trump if you want to, and I'll join with you on some of it. But this is really pathetic. This holier than thou stuff you guys like to parade around really gets old after a while. The willful, intentional ignoring of widespread and serious scandal in the Obama admin is a burden I am glad I don't have to bear.

I'm sure you will respond by asking who was ever held criminally liable for those events. I would answer by asking if you know how to think for yourself. Look at that load of garbage and tell me honestly if you will join the long line of Obama apologists who love to insist that their object of worship never had any scandal. Even the slightest little bit of honesty would be nice.

I don't envy that you must bear the burden of the dufus administration scandals. Your nose will be REALLY sore.

I don't envy that you must bear the burden of the dufus administration scandals. Your nose will be REALLY sore.

As an Obama supporter, you know exactly what the smell is like. But once again, there is this "we are the good guys" mentality that really gets old. Again, a little honesty on your part would be nice.

Honestly, all you have are right wing loony talking points, and conspiracy theories. You have no evidence. The dufus is a scandalous liar, cheater, and loud mouth bully and I do have plenty of EVIDENCE, backed by court records also. I also have evidence and court records his cronies, associates, and lapdogs are felons, and his cabinet appointments are incompetent self enriching boobs who resign in disgrace.

Sorry my friend that's the honest truth, and a matter of public record and I honestly don't know why conservative turn a blind eye to those facts, and the facts that are being revealed as we speak.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-labor-secretary-went-light-on-a-pedophile-he-must-be-fired-right-now

It just never stops with the dufus does it?

Sorry my friend that's the honest truth,

If you really read what I posted, and can then can refer to it as "right wing loony talking points", even when most of what happened has been admitted to, and even try to say the comment about "talking points" is the "honest truth", then you and Trump are two peas in a pod. You are exactly what you are accusing him of being. You can't bring yourself to admit to the most obvious truth on the planet. It might remain true that no one gets convicted of crimes because of all of that, but to suggest that it was not scandalous and unethical is enough to make a person's head spin. You might as well try to tell us that the sun rises in the west and sets in the east.

So it all just comes back to nauseating politics. Dems support dems and turn a blind eye to anything and everything, and repubs tend to do the same thing. Well OK, but don't get all wound up about Trump and then sing Obama's praises. They are the same in many ways as politicians. If we could come to agreement on that, it would be a miracle. You and I are also alike. We voted for imperfect people because of the issues they espoused.

Well said, which is why I told you from the start take nothing said here personally, my friend. I sure don't.

Well said, which is why I told you from the start take nothing said here personally, my friend. I sure don't.

As I've said before, I don't usually agree with you, but at least you come out and say what you think. I like that a great deal. I think that "friend" describes it very well for both of us.

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Kind of reminds me of some other people.

https://thepoliticalinsider.com/pleading-the-fifth-five-times-obama-officials-avoided-testifying-during-a-scandal/

It is a great pity everyone didn't do it

Pleading the 5th doesn't stop prosecution. Just cooperation. The onus is still on the prosecution to bring a case, and make it. That's where the rubber meets the road.

Yes so why help them?

Not saying the dufus sycophants should help Mueller. They have a right to remain silent, and should use it.

As I've said before, I don't usually agree with you, but at least you come out and say what you think.Hello j:

Here's what I think.. I watched Obama pretty carefully.. Did he lie? Once, he did.. He said if you like your doctor, you can keep him.. He also said there were 57 states, but you wouldn't call that a lie would you? Other than that, he ran a pretty tight ship.

And, I don't wanna get all strung out here, about each and every so called "scandal" you've listed... Let's just take the IRS.. You accuse Obama of PURPOSFULLY denying conservative organizations tax exemptions they were entitled to, simply BECAUSE they were right wing.. You believe that just as sure as you're reading this..

Of course, that's impossible because the politics of the organization applying for tax exempt status IS NOT DISCLOSED.. Did you know that?? Have you even investigated what Obama said about it?? I suspect not.. It's NOT news you'd like to hear.. Truth is, the bureaucrats at IRS wouldn't, in a million years, commit CRIMES for Obama. Some applications were returned because of errors in them, but I submit once again, that these career bureaucrats would NOT jeopardize their careers for Obama.. It's ridiculous on it's face..

But, you weren't having any of that.. It was Obama doing it to right wingers - plain and simple..

Benghazi??? In retrospect, men died. War is like that.. Did Hillary DO something to get those men killed? You think yes, but haven't said WHY she wasn't indicted.. Maybe, just maybe, there wasn't any evidence of wrong doing???

Ok, I don't think this is gonna help.. You believe what you believe..

Step away from the FOX News.. It's rotting your brain..

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Hello tom:

Tis true.. But, why LIE about it? In fact, why would ALL his henchmen tell the same COORDINATED lie?? Before Cohen had his come to Jesus moment, HIS lie was coordinated too..

IF all was hunky dory, SOMBODY in that vast group of people would have told them that they don't HAVE to lie.. But, they did lie - ALL of 'em,. Something's hinky..

I'm thinking there IS a pee tape, and THAT'S what all the lying is about.. Here's the punch line, though.. What Trump doesn't know, is that even IF there IS a pee tape, his supporters would love him all the more..

Glad Mueller is on Americas side.


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I don't know if there is a pee tape or not . All that would be is an embarrassment ;and maybe not even to Trump. It is certainly no more so than leaving a stain on an interns dress.

Unless Mueller can prove all there real estate deals are tied into some kind of money laundering scheme then there was nothing illegal in Trump managing his business while running . After all ;until about 9PM on election night ,Trump thought he was going to lose . So the allegations are as follows . Trump had a bunch of former Soviet oligarchs (through the Bayrock Group )looking to launder their plunder by getting involved in his real estate business .
The Bayrock group is headed by Felix Sater (person # 2 in the Cohen indictment ) Back in the day Sater got into a bar fight and stabbed someone with the stem of a champagne glass . He was sanctioned against doing business in finances after he was involved in some dirty Wall Street business . But he violated that . The Feds swooped down on him,and he was prosecuted by the FBI . Then he became an FBI informant from 1998 through 2015. It was at this time he was working with Trump as a sorta front man in setting up real estate deals ;some in Moscow. Oh and Mueller was the chief of the FBI at the time. Now if they had evidence of Trump wrong doing in those years Mueller would've had it in the NY Second District in a New York minute . Trump had stopped actually developing real estate at that time . Through the Bayrock group ,Trump instead was letting them use his name for royalty fees . Bayrock did the developing.
Sorry ,haven't seen any evidence that Trump was involved in any criminal activity ;nor any evidence that Trump's campaign and the Russians "colluded " to steal the election.If Trump was taking dirty money or engaged in criminal activity with Russians then he was doing it with Felix Sater through the Bayrock Group .Sater was under the control of the FBI. Sater was proposing deals and making contacts with Russian criminals overseas and this activity surely was known by the FBI. If there was any suspicion on the part of the FBI that Trump was taking bad money, they would have recorded such activity in detail and he would have been indicted.During Mueller’s term as FBI Chief (2001 thru 2013) the FBI did not make or bring a case of money laundering against Donald Trump. Yet, during this period, Sater, an FBI informant, was trying to cobble together real estate deals with Russians . Trump and his organization were not implicated in any of this activity in a way that led the FBI to seek an indictment against them.

And, I don't wanna get all strung out here, about each and every so called "scandal" you've listed... Let's just take the IRS.. You accuse Obama of PURPOSFULLY denying conservative organizations tax exemptions they were entitled to, simply BECAUSE they were right wing.. You believe that just as sure as you're reading this..

Of course, that's impossible because the politics of the organization applying for tax exempt status IS NOT DISCLOSED.. Did you know that?? Have you even investigated what Obama said about it?? I suspect not.. It's NOT news you'd like to hear.. Truth is, the bureaucrats at IRS wouldn't, in a million years, commit CRIMES for Obama. Some applications were returned because of errors in them, but I submit once again, that these career bureaucrats would NOT jeopardize their careers for Obama.. It's ridiculous on it's face..

First of all, I did not accuse Obama of denying tax exempt status to these groups. That was done by the IRS, and he never held anyone accountable. That it happened is unarguable. If you don't believe it, you are living in a liberal fantasy world.

"In late September 2017, an exhaustive report by the Treasury Department' (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_the_Treasury)s inspector general (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treasury_Inspector_General_for_Tax_Administration) found that from 2004 to 2013, the IRS used both conservative and liberal keywords to choose targets for further scrutiny.[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRS_targeting_controversy#cite_note-:0-2)[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRS_targeting_controversy#cite_note-:1-3)In October 2017, the Trump Administration agreed to settle a lawsuit filed on behalf of more than 400 conservative nonprofit groups who claimed that they had been discriminated against by the Internal Revenue Service. The settlement includes an apology from the IRS and a monetary portion characterized by an attorney for the plaintiffs as "very substantial."[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRS_targeting_controversy#cite_note-4)[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRS_targeting_controversy#cite_note-5)"

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Benghazi??? In retrospect, men died. War is like that.. Did Hillary DO something to get those men killed? You think yes, but haven't said WHY she wasn't indicted.. Maybe, just maybe, there wasn't any evidence of wrong doing???

First of all, there was no war going on in Libya involving the U.S., so no, you can't use the "war is like that" ridiculous excuse. It's not that HC DID something to get those men killed, The problem is that she did NOTHING to keep them secure, and then when the attack was underway, she and her boss did NOTHING to help them. Again, your liberal fantasy world could profit from a little knowledge.

Flynn sang like a bird and no telling what he told Mueller which I'm sure he verified before he gave him a pardon. While the dufus tells people don't testify or cooperate, and reminding everyone that he can pardon anybody. That's not witness tampering? Or flat out obstruction? I'll wait to see what Mueller has next.

Considering that the interviewers of Flynn determined he had not lied to them ;Mueller has a lot to answer for himself regarding his Gestapo tactics in this investigation . Heck even Comey didn't believe Flynn lied . I don't know what Flynn said . 99 % of Mueller's report on Flynn is redacted .

Even with the redactions Mueller laid out a strong case against Flynn, and alludes to at least one ongoing criminal investigation, and I must say ordinary citizens get these gestapo tactics laid on them everyday and nothing is said. So all of a sudden we should go soft on high level white collar crime? Really?

Moral of the story is this: Do not talk to the FBI. The practice now is evidently to examine everything you say in minute detail and if there is a single discrepancy, even a minor one, then you will be charged with lying to the FBI. Sad our country has come to this. It seems rather plain that Mueller's number one goal is to get Trump at any and all costs.

You and Tom amaze me in your support for white collar exploiters and influence peddlers enriching themselves by lying scheming and gaming the system. We both know the lies these men tell are not about small discrepancies, but huge whoppers to hide what they were REALLY doing.

The real moral of the story is lying about big stuff has consequences so should they take responsibility who ever they are, or can they get away with those lies because the are running with the big boys?

Why are they lying about BIG STUFF?

You and Tom amaze me in your support for white collar exploiters and influence peddlers enriching themselves by lying scheming and gaming the system. We both know the lies these men tell are not about small discrepancies, but huge whoppers to hide what they were REALLY doing.

What did they lie about, specifically?

They lied to congress about they're dealings with Russian government officials. In addition some were charged with criminal activities.

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The dufus has just been implicated in felonious activity with Michael Cohen over those payments to keep his affairs out of the public during the '16 presidential election.

They lied to congress about they're dealings with Russian government officials. In addition some were charged with criminal activities.

If you are talking about Flynn, he was charged with lying to the FBI, not the Congress. It has become clear that Mueller is leaning on these people to get them to give him any evidence he can use against Trump. It seems he came up empty with Cohen. Now Hillary Clinton did lie to congress when she claimed she had no classified material on her little amateur email server. Even Comey admitted that was true, but she was not indicted. So why the difference? Politics. Pure politics. That's what the FBI does these days. If you make the smallest misstep in your interview with them, they come back and want to indict you for lying to the FBI just so they can lean on you to implicate someone else. That's sickening.

So when you say "they" lied to congress, other than Hillary Clinton, who are you talking about? It wasn't Flynn, so who is it who lied to the congress?


The dufus has just been implicated in felonious activity with Michael Cohen over those payments to keep his affairs out of the public during the '16 presidential election.

I don't think you are correct on that one.

Of course I'm correct unless you have evidence that I am not. Here's my evidence. Notice this was from August, confirmed in the Mueller fillings.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-michael-cohen-plea-deal-fraud-case-20180821-story.html



Michael Cohen, President Donald Trump's former personal lawyer and fixer, pleaded guilty Tuesday to campaign-finance violations and other charges, saying Trump directed him to arrange the payment of hush money to porn star Stormy Daniels and a former Playboy model to fend off damage to his White House bid.Cohen's extraordinary account marks the first time that any Trump associate has gone into open court and implicated Trump himself in a crime, though whether — or when — a president can be prosecuted remains a matter of legal dispute.



Now if you think I will go one by one and tell you what each of the persons indicted by Mueller was charged with that's kind of lazy since the details are out there, and you asked a very broad question to begin with. Suffice it to say that just because a defendant copes to a lesser offense doesn't mean he is charged with just that offense. Had he pleaded not guilty and gone to trial there would no doubt be MANY charges to answer to and Manafort is a perfect example of that scenario. Convicted on 8 counts of criminal wrong doing in one trail and facing more charges in a second trial.

I'm not even going to comment on the "What about what Hillary did?" thing as that's always the conservative dodge when the dufus and his antics are discussed, but I must add your about to see if the dufus and his sycophants can survive the legal onslaught into his antics, as Clinton did for decades.

I doubt it, and I blame you right wingers and greedy repubs for holding your nose and giving us this real time political drama and corruption. LOL, you would have done better electing Hillary and make her a target and had a special counsel appointed to "LOCK HER UP!".

Elections truly do have consequences!

1. You said it "just" happened, and then you link to a newspaper article from August containing a story that has already been demonstrated to be a non-factor in any criminal accusation against Trump. So yes, you are wrong.
2. I don't blame you for non commenting about HC. She is without question the most plainly guilty person of the whole group. And as usual, your comment about holding noses must apply to yourself as well as the rest of us.
3. You don't provide details because you don't know any. I am not going to do your work for you. You make accusations. You back them up. If you can't, then don't make them.
4. Manafort's convictions have not been demonstrated to have any connection with Trump.

As I've said many times, it's all about politics.

Your post doesn't surprise me since you have a knack of letting things that don't meet your own sense of truth go over your head. No I didn't hold my nose and vote for Hillary, because I have watched the right wing noise machine spout all kinds of accusations with no evidence that ends up in court even after decades of investigations.

That's not politics, that's insanity by incompetents. Simply put, you've been ignoring the facts about the dufus and his antics for a long time and now they just keep coming back in the court of law, as sycophants go to jail. No amount of semantic parsing will alter that reality, nor can you dismiss them.

It's not over so keep defending those criminals the dufus brought with him. It's amusing to watch you right wingers head explode when you find out your insanity has bitten you in the arse once again.

One of my favorite columnists said this in today's Chicago Sun-Times:

https://chicago.suntimes.com/columnists/russia-investigation-probe-donald-trump-michael-cohen-vladimir-putin/

That's not politics, that's insanity by incompetents. Simply put, you've been ignoring the facts about the dufus and his antics for a long time and now they just keep coming back in the court of law, as sycophants go to jail. No amount of semantic parsing will alter that reality, nor can you dismiss them.

Trump hasn't been in a court of law. He has not even been charged with a crime. And you pretending that HC was a totally innocent individual is laughable. She was guilty of criminal activity. Even Comey said so, but then declined to prosecute her. So go on holding your nose and pretending otherwise, but you are not fooling anyone.

Again, it's all about politics.

Wondergirl, you need something better than an op-ed piece from the Chicago Sun Times. You need to work much harder.

For the record, if anyone actually comes up with a crime committed by Trump, I'll be all in for an investigation, but be sure to ask yourself if you felt the same way about Bill Clinton.

Wondergirl, you need something better than an op-ed piece from the Chicago Sun Times. You need to work much harder.

JL, you obviously didn't read the link I posted. You're still one of those running horses Gene Lyons talks about. :D

An excerpt: "Nobody knows exactly how the story’s going to end, but it’s surely significant that White House spokeswoman Sarah Huckabee Sanders has switched from saying there was no collusion with the Russian government during the 2016 campaign to emphasizing that the president wasn’t personally involved.

Big difference. And she’s said it several times, so it’s no accident."

Tell you what, JL -- I won't post any more op-ed pieces if you don't drag Hillary into any of these discussions.

JL, you obviously didn't read the link I posted. You're still one of those running horses Gene Lyons talks about. :D

I did read it.


An excerpt: "Nobody knows exactly how the story’s going to end, but it’s surely significant that White House spokeswoman Sarah Huckabee Sanders has switched from saying there was no collusion with the Russian government during the 2016 campaign to emphasizing that the president wasn’t personally involved.

Weak as water. I mean, the best they can come up with is "it's surely significant". Are you kidding? "I mean, I think it might possibly be perhaps significant." Could be summarized by saying, "We have no evidence." Trump Derangement Syndrome at work.

Link all the op eds you want. You won't get rid of HC that easily! I use her to point out that all of the "holier than thou" people who are up in arms about mere allegations against Trump were strangely quiet when it was clearly proven that HC broke the law. Why??? Politics. Pure politics.

I can't blame you for stubbornly sticking to your position, nor dismissing the position in others but when a guy who pleads guilty and says he was doing it at the bosses orders I call that some pretty good EVIDENCE, and expect a lot more.

who pleads guilty and says he was doing it at the bosses orders I call that some pretty good EVIDENCE, and expect a lot more.

And was told by the FBI, "Sing, and we'll be more lenient." Besides, if that's all there is, then it's just "he said, he said". Now you are free to expect more, but that's really questionable.

I expect a dem house to do a REAL investigation, starting in January, and Mueller to continue sending folks to jail. You have to figure that Mueller has evidence through documentation, and testimony to verify what he has learned and if not for the dufus being the prez, he would have been indicted as there is PLENTY of probable cause.


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I expect a dem house to do a REAL investigation, starting in January, and Mueller to continue sending folks to jail. You have to figure that Mueller has evidence through documentation, and testimony to verify what he has learned and if not for the dufus being the prez, he would have been indicted as there is PLENTY of probable cause.

We'll just have to wait and see. Their effort to have a kangaroo court failed, thankfully, with Kavanaugh, so we'll see how it goes.

I can wait as a real investigation winds its way though the legal process unlike the sham investigation repubs perpetrated on the country with the SCOTUS nomination.

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Sour grapes

Mueller isn't going to touch Trump. Not so sure I can say the same thing about Campaign Finance violations . Southern District NY seems determined to indict Trump. Campaign finance violations are usually not treated as felonious criminal violations just as the Foreign Agent Registration act isn't[. But in this case they appear to be treating them as heinous acts of crime. Prosecutors would have to establish criminal intent which is probably a bar too high to hurdle . Oh the irony . 20 years after Bubba got in legal jeopardy for trying to cover up an extra-marital affair ;Trump gets himself into the same trap.

Robert Khuzami, the Acting US Attorney in US 2nd District NY filed a sentencing memo claiming Trump organized illegal payments. Khuzami doesn’t know the law. Non-disclosure contracts are legal in every state. It’s not an illegal campaign contribution.

I feel a Supreme Court action coming on

No way does the repub senate impeach the dufus over campaign finance felonies. But I seriously doubt that's all Mueller has.

He doesn't have squat

Aw, come on Clete. Don't be such a sourpuss Aussie who doesn't give a fig about American politics. You can't know what Mueller has, nobody does, but you have to admit at least he has exposed and caught a few swamp critters in Washington, and that alone is a better job of it than the dufus who PROMISED to drain the swamp if elected.

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Even the rats are abandoning the ship, and the dufus can't find enough cheese to replace them... YET!

That is what comes of not having a political party behind you. You can make just so many enemies. We all have to give a fig about American politics because you haven't got it all together and you have elected a dangerous man to be president

That is what comes of not having a political party behind you. You can make just so many enemies. We all have to give a fig about American politics because you haven't got it all together and you have elected a dangerous man to be president

Repubs are fully behind our dufus whether from fear, anger, or both. They want what they want and that may be the conflict ultimately because dems want what they want to. That's just the natural course of things since we are a rather large ATIVELY engaged country, with a wide reach I admit. Expectations are globally mixed, and grant you events lately are quite challenging given the reputation we have built. That last statement you made is proving very true and not surprising, but just another challenge to face.

LOL, NONE of the nations have it ALL together Clete, and it's still a messy process trying to get it together.

Yes tal that is true

Under Oath here's how James Comey answered about important matters going on at the FBI while he was Director :
‘I don’t know’ 166 times
'I don’t remember' 71 times
'I don’t recall’ - 8 times

Meanwhile as Trump has a hissy fit on Twitter about Comey ;and the House Committees are wrapping up their investigations , Trump still refuses to declassify all the relevant documents for the public. He said he would ;then said he may hold them over the Dems head ;and then had the gall to say that maybe the public can't handle what the docs contain. Nonsense ! Only Trump has the power to release them . The Dems say if he does he would reveal methods and sources ..... more BS ! If he is worried about Brit and Aussie Intel assets being exposed ,too bad for them . They participated in a silent coup attempt . If he doesn't give us true transparency on this then we risk forever having the administration in power weaponizing the assets of the Intel and Federal Law enforcement agencies to attack political opponents . If he doesn't release them it only bolsters the suspicion he is hiding something . Open up the swamp and let the chips fall wherever .

Sounds like his firing was justified

Comey's firing is a non issue, as are the repub revisit of it, since they are OUT in a few weeks. Last chance to make hay? Yeah, but we head into the new year with dems salivating to get a sharp stick poked up the dufus arse and he may have a lot of trouble finding any help from it other than his big mouth.

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The American people were very smart to dump the dufus's house sycophants, and the senate will have some tough decisions to make.

Comey's firing is a non issue, as are the repub revisit of it, since they are OUT in a few weeks. Last chance to make hay? Yeah, but we head into the new year with dems salivating to get a sharp stick poked up the dufus arse.

Partisanship. One of the great problems we need to deal with. We face many problems such as 22 tril in debt and still running deficits, but the dems can't wait to "get even" with Trump. What a pathetic situation.

The solution to the problems we have start with poking a sharp stick up the Dufus's a$$. That's not partisanship, that's just common sense after two years of republican sycophantcy. The dufus and repubs had two years to fix stuff and all the have done was stel the money and lie!

Yes a sharp stick is appropriate for this hollering fool. Not like he doesn't have one and used it liberally.

Heard this yet?

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/alleged-russian-operative-maria-butina-plead-guilty-help-prosecutors-n946526

Another piece of the puzzle is sliding into place.

That's not partisanship, that's just common sense after two years of republican sycophantcy. The dufus and repubs had two years to fix stuff and all the have done was stel the money and lie!

Just following the example of eight years of the Obama Administration.

"Alleged Russian operative Maria Butina to plead guilty, help prosecutors. A plea agreement obtained by NBC News shows Butina will admit conspiring "to establish ... communication with Americans having power" for Russia's benefit."


Yeah. An "alleged Russian operative" is ready to admit she established communication with Americans having power to benefit Russia. What a shocker!! A foreigner trying to benefit her country through American contacts. Whoever heard of such a thing???

Who ever heard of a Russian gun lobby or free vacations to Russia by the NRA? Seems that relationship has been going on for years.

https://thinkprogress.org/new-documents-link-nra-and-russia-to-marsha-blackburn-ff68e923eb7e/



The fact that a key member of Blackburn’s campaign was also working closely with Russian officials raises new questions about designs Russian operatives may have had on recruiting allies among Republicans and social conservatives in the U.S. — as well as just how extensive this effort might have been.

https://www.gq.com/story/maria-butina-russia-nra



As BuzzFeed News notes, in an autocracy with strict gun laws, the very idea of a strong grassroots analogue to the NRA is kind of absurd. But what Butina and her colleagues deduced is that the American right's blind, dogmatic devotion to protecting the Second Amendment would allow them to set aside any nagging misgivings about joining forces with her, if such misgivings even occurred to them in the first place. Put differently: A hostile foreign government scrutinized every aspect of American life and concluded that guns were the perfect access point for them to slip in undetected.

https://medium.com/@SIIPCampaigns/the-nra-is-holding-the-smoking-gun-that-connects-trump-to-russia-bdf6d2e04e2d

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/07/nra-maria-butina-spying-charges-trump-campaign/



According to a report (https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article195231139.html)
earlier this year from McClatchy
, the FBI has been investigating whether Torshin illegally funneled money to the Trump campaign through the NRA. (The FBI would “neither confirm nor deny” the investigation to Mother Jones.
)

I just need to know why your wingers defend criminals and spies?

Who ever heard of a Russian gun lobby or free vacations to Russia by the NRA? Seems that relationship has been going on for years.

So?


I just need to know why your wingers defend criminals and spies?

I guess for the same reason you left wingers do. It's all about politics. Eric Holder ran a gun-running operation into Mexico. You left wingers yawned.

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Robert Mueller deletes thousands of texts on Peter Strzok’s phone.
Hillary Clinton deleted 33k emails and destroyed her devices.
Yet after all of this, Trump is the one under investigation?

Mueller and Comey must be proud that they entrapped Flynn (by Comey's own admission) and denied him Miranda protections . Don't be surprised if the judge throws the case out with a coerced guilty plea and a clear denial of Flynn's basic 4th and 5th amendment rights .

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Easy with the egg nog there Tom. It's turning you into Rudy Guliani






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Robert Mueller deletes thousands of texts on Peter Strzok’s phone.
Hillary Clinton deleted 33k emails and destroyed her devices.
Yet after all of this, Trump is the one under investigation?

Mueller and Comey must be proud that they entrapped Flynn (by Comey's own admission) and denied him Miranda protections . Don't be surprised if the judge throws the case out with a coerced guilty plea and a clear denial of Flynn's basic 4th and 5th amendment rights .




Flynn and his attorney before a judge just shot your theory down as his sentencing was delayed. Trump dissolves foundation amid allegations of self dealing.

Michael Flynn's sentencing was postponed until next year, but not before federal Judge Emmet Sullivan damaged his own reputation with an extraordinary public attack on the former national security adviser for a crime he’s not been charged with or admitted to.In fact Mueller's prosecutors had to step in and tell the judge his rant was out of line. Here I can only speculate . The judge is just begging Flynn to change his plea because he knows Flynn got hosed. But Flynn is so afraid to do that because Mueller is hanging Flynn's son's freedom on the deal . Flynn made some bad judgement in becoming an unregistered agent for Turkey (an ally) . But typically the most someone who fails to register as a foreign agent gets is a fine . Mueller bankrupted Flynn and threatens his son's freedom for a crime he has over looked with the Podesta brothers . That is why Mueller can feel safe in proceeding with the sentencing . If he did not have this hanging over Flynn then he would never allow it. Like Manafort he would keep him locked away until he needs him

Flynn screwed up. How bad, REAL bad and dragged his son down with him, so whatever he gets he gets. I think the message to Flynn by Sullivan was Flynn had not done enough so far to make up for his wrong doing, given his career and status. Now we can't see all that Mueller could have charged Flynn with, but the judge can, and what he saw pissed him off enough for his tirade, that made the right wing and Faux News head explode.

After Nunes gets the boot as chairman of the House Intell Committee more heads will roll and Mueller has already requested the official documents for Roger Stones testimony and has a sealed subpoena for a foreign owned corporations records. No doubt following the money. I think the days of protecting the dufus by repubs is coming to an end after the last election.

In other breaking news, the dufus has lifted the sanctions on a Russian oligarch's company!

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/19/us/politics/sanctions-oleg-deripaska-russia-trump.html

What's that about Tom?

Sullivan is a nut job first of all . Calling Flynn a traitor for acting as an agent for Turkey is insane . Flynn has a lifetime of dedicated service to this country . As I said ;there are 2 standards of justice being practiced here. The Podesta's acted as unregistered agents for a Russia friendly Ukraine regime .They have yet to face any charges . At the time of Flynn's contact ,Turkey was and still is a NATO ally. Mueller's team ambushed Flynn in his office and told him that having a lawyer present wasn't required . Evita had a team of lawyers present and her interview wasn't recorded . Any conviction of Flynn should be thrown out because the FBI violated his basic constitutional rights . Comey had to jump through hoops to find reasons for not charging Evita . Hey what goes around comes around . IF banana republic justice is the new norm I'm sure the Republicans will adapt.

tal The Slimes article you posted answered your question.



The lobbying effort had cast the sanctions as having unintended ripple effects on companies in the United States, Ireland, Sweden, Jamaica, Guinea and elsewhere, with potential job losses and other negative economic impacts.
The Slimes neglected these pertinent facts 1. The lobbying effort was from European nations ;not Moscow.

2 .Deripaska remains under sanction and the company is severing ties with him.

No Tom, the Times did present the "pertinent" side of the Russians legal arguments to lift those sanctions and also points out that ultimately it's the congress to scrutinize and go along with the Dufus's treasury department deal with them.



The lobbying effort had cast the sanctions as having unintended ripple effects on companies in the United States, Ireland, Sweden, Jamaica, Guinea and elsewhere, with potential job losses and other negative economic impacts.,,
Mr. Harrell said Mr. Deripaska was “playing the long game” and may ultimately recoup some of his short-term losses.“On the one hand, he has lost some cash as a result of these transactions, and he has to reduce his holdings in his companies,” Mr. Harrell said. “On the other hand, he gets to hold on to 45 percent of the companies, and he’ll be able to get good value for that stake and those dividends in three years or five years or whenever Deripaska is able to get off the sanctions list himself.”Mr. Deripaska’s representatives are planning to mount a push to get the sanctions lifted on him, according to people familiar with his plans

Replacing one Vlad sycophant with another changes NOTHING. Vlad still wins, and the dufus, the great negotiator gives Vlad that WIN!