Place your bets folks. Simple logic, why would he show anything about The Dufus in the Manafort trial? Manafort is NAILED as is.

Why do you indulge this BS

It's just a discussion what's your problem?

No problem, it is irrelevant

The next big news will come from what Michael Cohen does in the next few weeks as the noose tightens around him. Now that will be very relevant.

Speculation

Probable cause!

Manafort is being charged with unrelated business activity years before he was briefly part of the Trump campaign. btw Manafort is being held in solitary confinement 23 hrs a day . They don't treat serial killers that badly. Could it be they don't want him involved in preparing his defense ?

I agree Manafort was an international criminal long before The Dufus hired him. CHEAP! If the Dufus can imprison little kids and teens then isolating Manafort for his own safety shouldn't bother you.

I agree Manafort was an international criminal long before The Dufus hired him.

https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/item/27324-podesta-group-failed-to-register-as-agent-for-russian-company



If the Dufus can imprison little kids and teens then isolating Manafort for his own safety shouldn't bother you.

https://qz.com/1291470/photos-immigrant-children-detained-at-the-placement-center-in-2014/

So why is catching a criminal big news, are they hard to catch over there

White collar criminal types are hard to convict

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Ask Tom, he thinks jails are for poor people and rich guys should be above the law.

Ask Tom, he thinks jails are for poor people and rich guys should be above the law. pure nonsense ! I think jail is for the guilty ;not to pressure someone to testify against a different target like what happened to Judith Miller during the Plame leak investigation ..... or Manafort being confined to solitary confinement as if he is a threat to the prison population . Oh I think there are quite a few rich criminals that deserve frog marching in orange pant suits .... Evita comes to mind .

Maybe the prison population is a threat to Manafort, which makes it for his own good, and his boss being The Dufus sharing the cell comes to my mind.

pure nonsense ! I think jail is for the guilty ;not to pressure someone to testify against a different target ..... or Manafort being confined to solitary confinement as if he is a threat to the prison population .


Manafort is in jail for witness tampering - a very serious crime that goes to the heart of the justice system itself.

However, solitary confinement seems excessive.

During the Ken Starr investigation, the Clintoons set up a Joint Defense Team for all Clintoon people to be coached and represented by the Clintoon defense attorneys. They essentially rehearsed the witnesses ahead of time. As with everything else the Clintoons do, they got away with it.

During the Ken Starr investigation, the Clintoon defense attorneys essentially rehearsed the witnesses ahead of time. .


Rehearsing witnesses is perfectly legal. Tampering with witnesses - aka suborning perjury - is NOT legal. It is a felony.

Yep the witch hunter has got 12 more specific witches (Russians) tied to Putin for interfering in the 2016 election.

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2018/07/13/Mueller-probe-indicts-12-Russian-officers-in-DNC-hacking/3111531499393/

AND

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/rod-rosenstein-expected-to-announce-new-indictment-by-mueller/2018/07/13/bc565582-86a9-11e8-8553-a3ce89036c78_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.a28543a7ab38

Wonder if The Dufus will pimp slap Vlad if he lies about it when they meet Monday? The Dufus was briefed earlier this week on the indictments.

more indictments of people he will never bring to trial . This is the Friday news dump to counter the disaster Strzok Congressional testimony.


There was "no evidence" any tampering affected the vote count in any 2016 election, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein said at a news conference Friday. so I can't quite figure it out . Is Julian Assange and Wikileaks heroes or traitors this week ?

“if you have anything Hillary related we want it in the next tweo [sic] days prefable [sic] because the DNC [Democratic National Convention] is approaching and she will solidify bernie supporters behind her after,” referring to Clinton’s rival for the Democratic nomination, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.). WikiLeaks explained, “we think trump has only a 25% chance of winning against hillary . . . so conflict between bernie and hillary is interesting.”
So why didn't the FBI use FISA warrants and infiltrators to spy on the Sanders campaign ?

For a Friday news dump, it sure lays the predicate for an underlying crime very well.

https://www.justice.gov/file/1080281/download

From

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/07/clues-in-muellers-indictment-point-to-collusion



According to the indictment, a figure posing as Guccifer 2.0 communicated with “a person who was in regular contact with senior members of the presidential campaign.” In August 2016, the indictment (https://twitter.com/mmurraypolitics/status/1017813766325571585)
says, “Guccifer 2.0” wrote to this person, “Thank u for writing back . . . do u find anyt[h]ing interesting in the docs i posted?” Two days later, they said, “please tell me if i can help u anyhow . . . it would be a great pleasure to me.”

It's been floated that this hack into the election is retaliation for the Panama Papers.

All he is doing is giving Donald ammunition for his meeting with Vlad

To do what arrest him? Pimp slap him? What's the Dufus going to do to the guy who helped him get elected?

To do what arrest him? Pimp slap him? What's the Dufus going to do to the guy who helped him get elected?

Obviously he is going to shake his hand, where have you been lately, oh I know, gazing down upon us lesser beings from your fundamental orifice

I think he will say to Vlad thanks for your help but please don't do it again to which Vlad will reply do you think you could stay out of Ukraine. Ukraine is to Russia what Taiwan is to China

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/07/clues-in-muellers-indictment-point-to-collusion




According to the indictment, a figure posing as Guccifer 2.0 communicated with “a person who was in regular contact with senior members of the presidential campaign.” In August 2016,
the indictment (https://twitter.com/mmurraypolitics/status/1017813766325571585)
says, “Guccifer 2.0” wrote to this person, “Thank u for writing back . . . do u find anyt[h]ing interesting in the docs i posted?” Two days later, they said, “please tell me if i can help u anyhow . . . it would be a great pleasure to me.”





That would be Roger Stone ;and no Guccifer 2.0 was not Russian military . Stone admits his contact with Guccifer 2 .0 .Why is he not on the indictment ? We will never know of course because Mueller never intended to bring these Russians to trial . It is no secret in the real world that the hacks came from within the Democrat campaign .That's one of the reasons why the Dems took so much effort to scrubbing their servers by CrowdStrike and making them missing .

Why was it that the emperor hired
Steven Chabinsky, the general counsel and chief risk officer for CrowdStrike, to the 'Commission on Enhancing National Cybersecurity ' 2 months before the report that alleged Russian hacking ?

It was CrowdStrike that 1st alleged Russian hacking .

Why didn't the FBI examine the DNC Server themselves ? Why did they take the word of CrowdStrike without corroboration ? The DNC said the FBI never requested to see the server . Comey told the Senate there were multiple requests by the FBI that were ignored . Who's lying ? The FBI and Mueller is using on faith the narrative the DNC provided …. oh wait ,that's right ...the DNC handed over to the FBI a 'replica' of the server that was created by ….you guessed it..... CrowdStrike .

So what is CrowdStrike ? Well they are a cyber -security firm largely funded by Clintoon backing Google .Another funder of the company is Warburg Pincus ,a company run by former Clintoon staffer Timothy Geithner .

And of course this wasn't the 1st time Evita or her interests were involved in destroying forensic evidence . They did the same thing to Evita's private served .
This alone is enough cause to get Mueller's case tossed .


The timing of the announcement is suspicious ,with Strzok making an a$$ of himself in Congressional hearings and right before Trump and Putin's sit down .

The timing is perfect, just like Comey's announcements, How come he isn't investigating Comey for interference?

That was the best right wing loony mish moss I ever read. Alex Jones has nothing on you guys.

Hacking incidents under the emperor ...

DPRK launched Sony hack, December 2014
Home-brew server reveal, March 2015.
Shanghai launched OPM theft, June 2015.
GRU spearfishing start March 2016.

Question …. why did the emperor tell his cyber security expert to stand down when he started investigating allegations of Russian hacks of the DNC ? https://www.yahoo.com/news/obama-cyber-chief-confirms-stand-order-russian-cyberattacks-summer-2016-204935758.html

flashback .....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0IWe11RWOM



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ1Q_re8Xl4

Hillary conceded, Obama transferred power, and The Dufus is breaking the "CHINA"! LOL, Russia wasn't on peoples mind when Romney ran, though the man was correct given events of a few years later. Wonder why none of Dufus's underlings admitted to, nor REPORTED any contacts with Putin's flunkies AFTER being warned they would try? Wonder why Slick Mitch didn't want the American people to be warned of Russia's antics before the election and threatened to politicize the facts if it was revealed?

Have you forgotten that state and local officials discovered hacking from outside sources during the 2016 campaign? The Dufus has NEVER acknowledged any of this or done a darn thing about it since he became Prez! Explain that to me Tom?

Wonder why Slick Mitch didn't want the American people to be warned of Russia's antics before the election and threatened to politicize the facts if it was revealed?

Are you seriously accusing Yertle of a conspiracy to steal the election ? You'd have to wake him up first .

Kentucky Bourbon does you that way.

hacking began well before Trump made his throw away line in the debate or his tweets .
Cyber attacks that successfully penetrated the DNC computing system began in 2015.The indictment claims they began in March 2016. I know that Trump is a ham fisted type of guy ; but to believe that he would publicly request that Russia hack emails ,and they would comply stretched credibility to the level of a 'Mel Brooks 'Get Smart ' episode .

Have you forgotten that state and local officials discovered hacking from outside sources during the 2016 campaign? The Dufus has NEVER acknowledged any of this or done a darn thing about it since he became Prez! Explain that to me Tom?

I'll explain that when you can explain why Mueller's indictment doesn't mention the Comey revelation that the RNC was also the subject of a hack.

Even before then Tom just ask Sony, or Target to name a few. Wouldn't put it past Vlad to take the opportunity to make the Dufus seem like he is onboard with hacking the Clinton office. Is it his ego, or what that keeps him from publicly denying the foreign cyber capability and doing something about it?

I'll explain that when you can explain why Mueller's indictment doesn't mention the Comey revelation that the RNC was also the subject of a hack.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/james-comey-fbi-rnc-trump-not-hacked_us_587543a2e4b02b5f858baeac



While Russian hackers gained “limited penetration of old RNC” computer systems “that were no longer in use,” the FBI found no evidence that the Trump campaign or current RNC servers were hacked, Comey said.

Comey’s assertion comes after several months of confusion about whether the hackers who stole and leaked thousands of emails from the Democratic National Committee also targeted its Republican counterpart and Trump, who was then the Republican presidential nominee.



If this was what you meant then I can only submit what Rosenstein said about having evidence to actually indict someone, but that doesn't mean that they are not looking into that too, but we won't know that until they actually have something.

Your Turn!

https://i.redd.it/cfgogmazi0c01.jpg

Nice try,

https://thinkprogress.org/russian-bots-where-are-they-now-e2674c19017b/

That isn't evidence of anything

Just an article ON the evidence. Easy enough to verify yourself.

Why should I verify a witch hunt, it is plain to see Mueller released indictment of Russians to embarrass Trump. He is playing a political game. The way this should have been handled is Trump appraised of the evidence, used it in meeting with Putin, then an announcement, but no, Mueller wanted to cut the feet from under Trump. He should be fired immediately even if the probe continues.

There used to be definition of treason which was specific disloyalty to the leader, should apply today. Hold one of your congressional kangaroo courts and get rid of him

You should at least TRY to get FACTS before you repeat the words of blithering idiots, and be mistaken for one. We have NEVER had a law here about disloyalty to a leader being the basis of a charge of treason, so add that to the blithering since our foundation is free speech, among other freedoms. A fact you can verify for yourself should you choose.

it is plain to see Mueller released indictment of Russians to embarrass Trump. yes and Trump made it work .His presser with Puty was self serving , pathetic, and sad .


Reporter: Do you hold Russia accountable for anything?

Trump: We’re all to blame


​GROAN !!!

it is plain to see Mueller released indictment of Russians to embarrass Trump.

No, it was to give powerful information for Trump to confront Putin with. But no one believed Trump would turn out to be such a coward and flunkie for Putin as he proved to be in Monday's meeting.



The way this should have been handled is Trump appraised of the evidence, used it in meeting with Putin, then an announcement, but no,

Trump was apprised (not appraised) of the evidence beforehand but elected not to use it. Instead he agreed with Putin that the Russians did nothing wrong.


Mueller .... should be fired immediately even if the probe continues.

Get a grip. Your abject fear of Trump's right-supporting BS being shown to be lies and more lies terrifies you.


There used to be definition of treason which was specific disloyalty to the leader, should apply today.

Yeah, like Genghis Khan. I'm glad you post these absurdities. It helps the viewers to understand what a nutcase you are.

[QUOTE]
But no one believed Trump would turn out to be such a coward and flunkie for Putin as he proved to be in Monday's meeting.
[/QUOTE}

can't disagree . What happened is what I feared would happen. The stuff in England was a prelude to the looming disaster todays meeting turned out to be .In the words of John McCain "
The damage inflicted by President Trump’s naiveté, egotism, false equivalence, and sympathy for autocrats is difficult to calculate."

This what happens when you allow an unskilled person into a diplomatic arena where no one will cheer. You "might" be a big man at home but on the world stage he is a mouse

I am finally convinced there was no collusion. The Dufus is doing as he is told. Vlad is the MAN in this relationship.

When you loose empire it is hard to define your place for a while, stop kicking against the goad

So Tal will you get off his case. Trump has done no worse with Putin than anyone else. Trump met another person who has absolute power, that is three now, Xi, Kim and Putin and maybe he realises he doesn't. You wanted Putin to grovel like Kim but it was never going to happen

We have lost NOTHING. The lying cheating Dufus is giving it away. A disgusting performance even by YOUR standards. Maybe the Dufus is mad he doesn't have absolute power, and he never will whatever he does. However Kim did NOT grovel, Neither did Xi, and no one expected Putin to either so where you got that from is befuddling.

befuddling.

That says it all, you are befuddled Tal. When Trump called off the Kim meeting the press were saying the was grovelling for the meeting to be back on. Meeting with Xi didn't stop Trump later imposing tariffs and directly confronting China, a tactic that wouldn't work with Russia, but it might be time to undo the freeze with Vlad

Screw Vlad! At least do your homework and see what kind of fellow you are siding with. You obviously have no clue whatsoever!

When Trump called off the Kim meeting
Huh????

You remember the on, off, and on again Singapore meeting

You remember the on, off, and on again Singapore meeting
Just Googled it. You're right.

I wouldn't call it groveling seeing as how the Dufus agreed when Kim promised to denuclearize, which hasn't happened and is a LONG LONG way off don't you think?

Kim has weapons, but his ability to develop more is degraded for the time being. It is doubtful anything significant came from the meeting except a better understanding and a reduction of ridiculous rhetoric. I think the dialogue between NK and SK is the more important development

And of course you have verified his ability to make new weapons has degraded right? >SNICKER<

What I mean is test sites have been destroyed, which may be a ploy, but there haven't been more nuclear tests or rocket tests. Kim may be making more weapons or he has been told by Xi to cool it. The best outcome would be a peace treaty and an opening of trade between NK and SK. We can be sure Kim wants to participate in the China initiative and there would be a price for doing so. Small steps but positive ones are what we can hope for, and if they happen then step again. NK represents an untapped resource

An intapped source of what? Condos on the beach for rich tourists? I doubt he has destroyed anything but a cave entrance, but I do agree the rhetorical level has gone down considerably, as has the military display levels. A good backdrop for quiet talks among the N & SK's. Actually exposing Russia on the world stage is not a bad thing either, maybe a baby step that leads to other steps?

Talking about lifting sanctions is better than aiming Nukes, and conventional weapons, but in Kim's case we still are in the dark on his arms and sales(?), or Vlad's adventurism in the middle east and Baltics, and his cyber incursions into many nations. We will see what more is revealed into every ones motives, behavior, and actions, and the global reactions.

As events unfold more will be revealed and my personal opinion the lying cheating loudmouth bully will also be exposed in MANY very important areas, of which he may have to answer for, and his presidency may not survive the scandal. The only REAL adult in the room who has quietly done his job and let his actions be his words. In the last few days even The Dufus sycophants have been very careful about blasting him or the investigation.

Adult? Sycophant of a different order you mean. You have fallen for the bread and circuses act and wound up with the circus.

One who serves his nation is hardly a sycophant, as it's his job to follow the EVIDENCE, and get to the truth, where ever that leads. LOL, interesting you see him as just another sycophant for the Dufus or whomever you meant, since he is respected by both of our political parties even if the Dufus and HIS sycophants rally together to holler foul.

Maybe lumping people together under one blanket is a personal problem for you. I truly wish I could help you with that, but opening a closed mind may be beyond just my good intentions. I'll just stick with the facts as they present themselves and leave you with your own conclusions and opinions.

Recent revelations certainly have the Dufus and his sycophants scrambling about in amusing ways though, and that circus is entertaining to us so called lefties.

Mueller has given Tony Podesta immunity to testify against Paul Manafort. The fact that it is not the other way around is more evidence that this is a VERY partisan investigation.

That would make 6 witnesses given immunity to testify against Manafort.

Podesta also failed to register as a foreign agent . The defense is going to have a field day with this guy .

The defense will have a field day with all the witnesses that have immunity. You think that will get Manafort off?

Mueller is still trying to turn Manafort. I'm guessing the trial gets delayed ;just like Flynn's sentencing . All Mueller has to hear is "discovery " and he'll delay .

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Dealing With a Lawyer (https://www.arcamax.com/jokes/s-44336?ezine=1)
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Jimmy Kimmel (http://abc.go.com/shows/jimmy-kimmel-live)

Mueller is still trying to turn Manafort. I'm guessing the trial gets delayed ;just like Flynn's sentencing . All Mueller has to hear is "discovery " and he'll delay .

I think its too late for Manafort, but maybe that will work for her.

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yeah another one of these sophisticated spies that infiltrated the country and convinced millions of would-be Evita voters to pencil in the wrong block on the ballot .

No more ridicules than the sham Russians right to bear arms. Vlad is rolling over holding his sides from laughing so hard at the fools who fell for it.

What do you care whether the Russians have the right to bear arms? People knew what they saw and they knew that words weren't enough, fool me once, sham on me, fool me twice, not going to happen, you forgot the people in NEW YORK and CALIFORNIA don't rule the country

There you go blithering again. Have you had your coffee this morning, or is it tea with your crumpet?

No crumpet here, mate, just bacon, eggs and coffee and whole lot of cold. As I have said before global warming, what's that?

The proof that Mueller has found absolutely nothing on Trump is that he’s still running around trying to find old dirt on Manafort, Flynn and Cohen to try to terrorize them into giving him something on Trump.

That's the way CRIMNALS are prosecuted. Even if it's old dirt they got away with for YEARS... DECADES! The Dufus has enough lawsuits and charges to keep him and his lawyers busy until Mueller gets around to him. Surprised you defend these criminals who made their money with old dirt, and now they have to face a court of law. What you think they should NOT be prosecuted?

Wow, hope he has an indictment for Vlad by the time he gets here.

The proof that Mueller has found absolutely nothing on Trump is that he’s still running around trying to find old dirt on Manafort, Flynn and Cohen to try to terrorize them into giving him something on Trump.




It's more likely that Mueller wants to get as many of the crooks as he can before tackling Trump. Once he goes after Trump, all the crazies will come out of the woodwork - the lawyers, Giuliani, Kavanagh, etc., - and declare that Trump can't be touched since he's above the law. This will delay everything until Trump leaves office. The fact that this issue has been settled law for over a thousand years apparently means nothing to these guys.

Even Nixon was confused on this, declaring "If the president does it, it's not illegal". There is an argument to be made for that position in terms of immediate and vital national security, but never to protect suspected criminal behavior. Republican legal minds apparently were absent that day from law school.

Here is the FISA application on Carter Page . The FBI released it to the NY Times and
not to the House that subpoenaed,nor to the Senate that subpoenaed it .
What it reveals is that all of it was based on the Steele dossier (aka Source 1 ) .
We still don't know who his sources were ,or if they even exist . .The FBI application also cited a Yahoo! article by Michael Isikoff that relied on tips from Steele.So bottom line is that the FBI used the ,paid for by Democrats dossier ….(
hired the Perkins law firm. The Perkins law firm hired Fusion GPS. Fusion GPS hired Christopher Steele...& then they hired Nelly Ohr, the wife of Bruce Ohr, to get the fake dossier from a political environment to the intel. community)… to spy on an opposition's campaign. This pretty much confirms the Nunes document of Jan 2018.

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/95-carter-page-fisa-documents-foia-release/full/optimized.pdf



“Source #1” alleged that during a trip to Moscow in July 2016, Page met secretly with two sanctioned Kremlin insiders, Igor Sechin and Igor Diveykin. The dossier also alleged that Page worked with Manafort to exchange information with Russian operatives. Page has vehemently denied the dossier’s allegations, and says he has never spoken to Manafort. He also says he has never met Sechin and Diveykin while denying that he is a Russian agent. FBI officials told Congress that investigators had not corroborated the dossier’s allegations when it was cited in the FISA applications. In between all the redaction we learn that the FBI makes clear that it believes the information had not been gathered for anything other than political purposes.“The FBI speculates that the identified U.S. person was likely looking for information that could be used to discredit Candidate #1’s (Trump)campaign,” but the FISA application states, as the FBI acknowledged that ‘notwithstanding’ the reasons for why the research was conducted, “the FBI believes Source #1’s reporting herein to be credible.”
The FISA application includes a note that Page wrote a letter to then-FBI Director James Comey denying any wrongdoing, and labeling the stories, ‘completely false media reports.’ Page of course had previously been used by the FBI as an informant
n the prosecution and conviction of Russian Buryakov.But now the allegation is that he was working with the Russians .
This document makes it appear the standard of probable cause required to spy on American citizens is so low as to be nonexistent.

Here is the FISA application on Carter Page . The FBI released it to the NY Times and
not to the House that subpoenaed,nor to the Senate that subpoenaed it .



It was obtained by the NY Times as a result of the Times filing a Freedom of Information Act.


What it reveals is that all of it was based on the Steele dossier

It reveals nothing of the sort. It was based on a number of sources including the Steele dossier.


The FBI application also cited a Yahoo! article by Michael Isikoff

The Nunes memo initiated the use of the Yahoo article. The Democrats REBUTTED his citation.


bottom line is that the FBI used the ,paid for by Democrats dossier ….The Perkins law firm hired Fusion GPS. Fusion GPS hired Christopher Steele..

The bottom line is that the opposition research that began all this was started by a CONSERVATIVE group trying to get info AGAINST Trump. When Trump won the nomination, only then did they contact the Democrats.[/QUOTE]


...& then they hired Nelly Ohr, the wife of Bruce Ohr, to get the fake dossier.

Not fake. To date, the consensus among the intelligence communities is that nothing so far in the dossier has been DISPROVEN.



This pretty much confirms the Nunes document of Jan 2018.

This is the biggest fib of all. Most objective observers are saying Nunes should be fired for producing such a demonstrably false memo in January 2018.


Here's a link for those interested in further details. It contains all necessary links.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/21/us/politics/carter-page-fisa.html?hpw&rref=politics&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=well-region&region=bottom-well&WT.nav=bottom-well

It was obtained by the NY Times as a result of the Times filing a Freedom of Information Act

. Judicial Watch has scores of FISA requests that are being slow walked or ignored . I'd imagine an Congressional subpoena carries more weight than a FISA application.


It reveals nothing of the sort. It was based on a number of sources including the Steele dossier
Nothing of the sort. Every other source is an alleged source Steele cited except for the Yahoo news article that relied on Steele's leaks to the reporter .



The bottom line is that the opposition research that began all this was started by a CONSERVATIVE group trying to get info AGAINST Trump. When Trump won the nomination, only then did they contact the Democrats


It is true that the Washington Free Beacon initially hired Steele .BUT he did not begin the project that resulted in the dossier until after the Democrat campaign funded it .



Not fake. To date, the consensus among the intelligence communities is that nothing so far in the dossier has been DISPROVEN.
and there is the new standard of justice . Allegations made have to be disproved by the accused instead of the accuser proving the accusations .



This pretty much confirms the Nunes document of Jan 2018.


This is the biggest fib of all. Most objective observers are saying Nunes should be fired for producing such a demonstrably false memo in January 2018.


Here's a link for those interested in further details. It contains all necessary links.


https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/21/u...av=bottom-well (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/21/us/politics/carter-page-fisa.html?hpw&rref=politics&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=well-region&region=bottom-well&WT.nav=bottom-well)



The memo states, “The Carter Page FISA application also cited extensively a September 23, 2016 Yahoo News article by Michael Isikoff, which focuses on Page’s July 2016 trip to Moscow,” “This article does not corroborate the Steele dossier because it is derived from information leaked by Steele himself to Yahoo News.” That is totally true and confirmed with the release of the applications.

So you are saying that Carter Page is just an innocent citizen unfairly picked on by the Big Bad Government just because he talked to some Russians?

I think he is a useful idiot to Vlad and his boys that bears watching myself.

All these people indicted by Mueller and he hasn't gotten around to indicting the 1st person that they got a warrant to snoop on . Maybe Page was another FBI plant ? They had used him before in a major investigation against Russia.

Judicial Watch has scores of FISA requests that are being slow walked or ignored .

Judicial Watch is a right-wing activist group claiming, among other absurdities, that climate science is "false science", and it's no wonder "scores of its requests have been slow walked or ignored", since the vast majority of its requests have been outright dismissed!



I'd imagine an Congressional subpoena carries more weight than a FISA application.

The FISA court is comprised of four judges, EACH ONE appointed by Republican presidents.


Every other source is an alleged source Steele cited

Carter Page was known to be a Russian target in 2013 well BEFORE Steele entered the picture.



It is true that the Washington Free Beacon initially hired Steele .BUT he did not begin the project that resulted in the dossier until after the Democrat campaign funded it.

Equally true that the DNC, while funding it, was not aware of the details of Steele's investigation nor, I believe, Steele himself as they were working through a middle-man law firm.


and there is the new standard of justice . Allegations made have to be disproved by the accused instead of the accuser proving the accusations.

Not true. The justice system requires allegations and indictments to be proven in a court of law by the accuser.



The memo states, “The Carter Page FISA application also cited extensively a September 23, 2016 Yahoo News article by Michael Isikoff, which focuses on Page’s July 2016 trip to Moscow,” “This article does not corroborate the Steele dossier because it is derived from information leaked by Steele himself to Yahoo News.” That is totally true and confirmed with the release of the applications.

TOTALLY NOT TRUE! The FBI cited the article in a footnote only to show Page denied the allegations.

Carter Page was recruited by the FBI to be an undercover informant, who testified against 2 Russian spies, and helped get them convicted. Here is the survaillance you speak of .


In 2013, a Russian national working as an unregistered foreign agent at a Russian bank in Manhattan sought information from Page, a longtime energy consultant, related to U.S. efforts to develop alternative energy resources, according to court papers filed by the FBI. Although Page thought the man was a legitimate banker after meeting him at an energy symposium in New York City, he was a Russian agent under federal investigation. He was later caught on surveillance dismissing Page as an “idiot.” The FBI informed Page in 2013 that the Russians might be trying to recruit him.
A U.S. Naval Academy alumnus, Page cooperated as a witness in that case, which was coordinated with the bureau’s Counterespionage Section Chief Peter Strzok in Washington, and he helped the government convict the Russian spy. Evgeny Buryakov pleaded guilty to espionage-related charges on March 11, 2016. FBI agents, as well as federal prosecutors, huddled with Page around that time to tie up loose ends, he said. “It had absolutely nothing to do with the election interference story, which surfaced months later,” Page said. Court records appear to back him up. Buryakov was sentenced in May 2016 and deported to Russia early last year. Schiff maintains that Page "remained on the radar of Russian intelligence and the FBI” due to the prior case, which gave them grounds to spy on him “independent" of the dossier.
“In order to understand the context in which the FBI sought a FISA warrant for Carter Page, it is necessary to understand … what the FBI knew about Page prior to making application to the court — including Page’s previous interaction with Russian intelligence operatives,” the Schiff minority memo said.
The Democrat narrative, which hinges on the suggestion that the bureau interviewed Page because of his role in Trump's campaign, is also challenged by the fact that the meeting took place several days before Trump publicly named Page as an adviser, on March 21, 2016.
Records indicate the FBI never viewed him as a potential foreign intelligence agent for Moscow. Court documents also show that Page fully cooperated with the FBI as soon as he learned he had been duped by Russian agents. In his sworn 2015 complaint against Buryakov, FBI special agent Gregory Monaghan portrays Page — referring to him as "Male-1” -- as a guileless victim, and described how Buryakov and other Russian agents tried to take advantage of the American businessman, who was unaware he was dealing with foreign spies.
The FBI agent further attested that the Russians never told Page they were “connected to the Russian government,” and that Page was only “interested in business opportunities in Russia,” where he had worked for years for Merrill Lynch and as an independent energy consultant.
In the end, the Russians were unable to recruit Page and never received any state secrets from him. Monaghan did not recommend espionage or any other charges against Page, who by all accounts acted as a reliable and trusted witness in the case. Far from being a Russian spy, Page was characterized to the court as someone who helped the FBI catch Russian spies.
But the government’s attitude toward Page turned cold after Trump publicly announced his name along with other members of his foreign policy team. Only then was Page treated as a possible national security threat. Not long after Trump’s March 21, 2016, announcement, FBI Director James Comey and his deputy, Andrew McCabe, held a meeting with Attorney General Loretta Lynch to discuss the news of Page joining the Trump campaign and how he may be “compromised” by the Russians, according to a recently declassified memo.
Then, sometime in the “late spring” of 2016, Comey held an unusual briefing concerning Page, and the alleged risk he posed, with the Obama administration’s highest-ranking national-security officials, who, in addition to Lynch, included National Security Adviser Susan Rice, CIA Director John Brennan, and National Intelligence Director James Clapper.
By autumn, in the heat of the presidential election campaign, the FBI had Page under constant surveillance, vacuuming up all his text messages and emails and listening in on his phone calls, including communications with Trump officials. The surveillance was predicated chiefly on an unverified allegation in the dossier, quoting third-hand sources claiming that Page traveled to Moscow in July 2016 to hatch an election plot with Kremlin officials.
Page has denied under oath ever meeting with the two Kremlin officials named in the dossier, and says he was in Moscow at the time to give a commencement address at a university, the New Economic School, where President Obama had previously spoken. The charge, attributed to anonymous sources, was written in the dossier by ex-British intelligence officer Steele, who was paid $168,000 by the Clinton camp to gather derogatory information on Trump from Russian sources.

After the still-unsubstantiated rumor was leaked to the press in September 2016, along with reports the FBI was taking it seriously, Page wrote a letter to Comey complaining he was the subject of a “witch hunt” and demanding he “look into this matter.”
He also volunteered to meet with FBI agents to put the rumors to rest.
“Although I have not been contacted by any member of your team in recent months, I would eagerly await their call to discuss any final questions they might possibly have in the interest of helping them put these outrageous allegations to rest,” Page wrote. Comey never responded to his Sept. 25, 2016, letter.
“I didn’t hear from the FBI again until over five months later, in March 2017 — after the FISA warrant application and first renewal had already been submitted,” he said. He said the “dodgy dossier was the foundation of their questions.” Page noted that the FBI agents who contacted him then were not the same ones he worked with earlier on the Buryakov case.
In April 2017, as the Justice Department was renewing its FISA warrant on Page for a second time, it publicly identified Page as the anonymous witness in the 2013-2015 Russian case involving Buryakov.
“On April 3, 2017,” Page said, “reporters at ABC News and BuzzFeed requested to meet in order to inform me that U.S. government operatives had unlawfully disclosed my identity as Male-1 in this 2015 case.”
The media leak came just weeks after Bharara, an Obama appointee, was fired by Attorney General Jeff Sessions. Bharara, who formerly served as Democratic Sen. Chuck Schumer’s aide, could not be reached for comment.
As surveillance warrants on Page continued to be renewed, the FBI also shadowed him using a confidential human source. The informant, Stefan Halper – who reportedly reached out to other Trump campaign figures including George Papadopoulos and Sam Clovis -- befriended Page. They struck up a relationship that lasted, Page said, until September 2017 -- the same month the fourth and final FISA spy warrant against the former Trump aide expired.
In their rebuttal, Democrats stated that the FBI and Justice Department “cited multiple sources to support the case for surveilling Page.” It’s not immediately clear if Halper is named in any of the four FISA warrant applications submitted on Page. The documents remain classified.
Page disagrees. “There was no basis for their FISA warrants,” he asserted, adding that the Obama Justice Department “abused” its authority to obtain such warrants, which are the most intrusive means of collecting information on U.S. citizens.
Schiff’s office said it would have no comment beyond the House minority memo defending the monitoring of Page.
Some former federal prosecutors and FBI investigators who have worked counterintelligence cases say Page has a valid grievance. They argue that the FISA warrants lacked the requisite "probable cause" to spy on an American citizen like Page, which requires the Justice Department to not only show the citizen is knowingly engaging in clandestine activities on behalf of a foreign power, but it must also demonstrate probable cause that such activities involve a violation of federal criminal law.
Page filed a Freedom of Information Act request with the Justice Department on May 21, 2017 seeking the FISA applications and "all information gathered pursuant to the warrants” authorizing his electronic surveillance issued by the FISA court, as well as the warrants themselves. He also seeks all communications between Justice Department officials and employees of the Clinton campaign related to him.
He says he has received no relevant documents in the year since he sent the FOIA request by certified mail.
Page can only speculate about how political forces seem to have transformed him from a cooperating witness into a possible Russian spy. But he says he is firmly convinced that “until DOJ discloses full information about the dodgy dossier, amends their court filings that led to extensive abuse of process, and discloses details on the other sources of their lies, it will be impossible for Americans to fully trust them again."




https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2018/06/07/carter_page_russian_spy__or_fbi_honor_scout.html

Carter Page obviously has gone well beyond being OUR useful idiot and wanted to capitalize on being a Russian useful idiot.

seriously ? He was the 1st one they were watching and no charges yet .



https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/fisa-warrant-application-supports-nunes-memo

Why do you take any of this seriously

Why do you take any of this seriously


Because we love our country and the ideals she stands for.

there are plenty of serious issues here ;and some over the top rhetoric like using the word (s) treason or treasonous .

Because we love our country and the ideals she stands for.

What ideals are those? Not the ideals that it stood for in WWII, no, those ideals are old fashioned in the era of self first, now the ideal is America first, whatever it takes to make America great again, and how can we beggar our neighbours today

What ideals are those? Not the ideals that it stood for in WWII, no, those ideals are old fashioned in the era of self first, now the ideal is America first, whatever it takes to make America great again, and how can we beggar our neighbours today

The ideals you quoted are not the ideals of America - never have been. They are the ideals of a man who idolizes money and power - an aberration in the Land of Lincoln and Washington. America's greatness is in its future - always will be. As Great Powers go, America has been a good friend. Far better than any other historical Great Power.

Why do you take any of this seriously

We are watching history and many landmarks are being made now, so commentary is a natural thing either for or against because the rule of law is being defended in the courts where it should be. One could ask what your problem is as you attempt to sling mud from your freaking island way over there. Like you The Dufus cares not for the land or the people that made him PHAT.



seriously ? He was the 1st one they were watching and no charges yet .



https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/fisa-warrant-application-supports-nunes-memo


The keyword is YET! I highly suggest you read the documents for yourself and know what that loony right winger has left out.

https://www.scribd.com/document/384413862/Carter-Page-Fisa

A word about Manafort here. Among his charges after he left the Dufus campaign. 2016-2017 defrauding a bank in Chicago for 16 million bucks.

We are watching history and many landmarks are being made now,

Landmarks? The only landmark from this era will be a great big wall, that is if it is built. Trump has spent his time tearing down, not building up. Trump is about destruction and I wonder what he will destroy next. We are fortunate that so far he hasn't started a war, call that a landmark if you will, but he has time yet

here is some odd behavior from a President in Putin's pocket .

https://www.mediaite.com/online/mike-pompeo-says-u-s-will-not-recognize-russias-annexation-of-crimea/

Nah, just more of the same, speak out of one side of the mouth then the other

yeah that's the problem ;I wait to see what he does ;not what he says .

Worry about a false flag incident with Iran, this is where his focus is now, he is looking for another excuse to use his cruise missiles, he may get a surprise if he does

oh the irony .

https://www.facebook.com/ukr.embassy.usa/photos/a.437547496288488.96187.211311782245395/558208114222425/?type=3&theater

I don't Facebook so what's the irony?

The irony is that Mueller pursued the same path he accuses others of

Somebody please explain...

Read the Facebook article and you will know what you didn't know about the grand inquisitor

Did you mean this?

https://conservativedailypost.com/new-photo-show-manafort-mueller-worked-with-former-ukraine-president/



Many Americans are reasonably questioning how Mueller can charge Manafort for business dealings in Ukraine and Russia when Mueller appeared to be doing the exact same thing (https://conservativedailypost.com/doj-hands-down-11-counts-bribery-fraud-money-laundering-in-clinton-backed-uranium-one-scheme/)
.

You do know Manafort isn't charged with doing business in Ukraine or Russia don't you? He's charged with BANK FRAUD AND MONEY LAUNDRYING, AND TAX EVASION. It's all laid out here;

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/10/30/us/politics/document-paul-manafort-rick-gates-indictment.html

If I got the wrong right wing loony crap then please correct me.

Did you mean this?

https://conservativedailypost.com/new-photo-show-manafort-mueller-worked-with-former-ukraine-president/



You do know Manafort isn't charged with doing business in Ukraine or Russia don't you? He's charged with BANK FRAUD AND MONEY LAUNDRYING, AND TAX EVASION. It's all laid out here;

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/10/30/us/politics/document-paul-manafort-rick-gates-indictment.html

If I got the wrong right wing loony crap then please correct me.

I think the point is Tal that Mueller should recuse himself from this one

Why, because right wing loony FAKE news site says so? What are the FACTS you have?

You have seen the facts in this thread

You guys seldom have FACTS at least not legit ones.

Then why the hush hush about his meeting with Yanukovych while he was Manafort's client ,and at a time when the emperor was critical of Yanukovych, accusing him of being pro-Russian ? You can talk all you want about Manafort's business activities being the root of the trial. But you know and I know that the real reason for this is to put the squeeze on Manafort to turn him on Trump (for what crime is still unclear). If that wasn't the truth then why has the judge spent half the trial so far admonishing the prosecution to stop straying from the specifics of the charges ? Also why does the left constantly point out Republican politicians who visited Moscow pre-election and neglects to point out the Mueller also visited Russia prior to his visit to Kiev ? Coincidence ? I don't think so Mueller was there to represent the emperor at the same time that Manafort and the Podesta group were lobbying Congress on behalf of Yanukovych.

Mueller is allegedly investigating Russian Collusion with the 2016 Trump campaign.

Manafort worked for Trump for just 5 months in 2016
but was charged with crimes between 2004-10 when he worked for Ukraine.

I think the operative word is allegedly

That's what I mean about FACTS. Manafort is charged with crimes he committed in 2015-2017. In the US, not in Ukraine. ALLEGEDLY!

That's what I mean about FACTS. Manafort is charged with crimes he committed in 2015-2017. In the US, not in Ukraine. ALLEGEDLY!

It all seems like a storm in a teacup, the "he said it might have been" type of thing

They have bank records, emails, and a bunch of witnesses. Tip of the iceberg for corruption by The Dufus cronies.

Yes, his cronies are corrupt, no news there. The media love this sort of thing, sensation this, sensation that.

Hard not to report his daily scandals and distractions since some seem to be designed to hide other more important bad news from The Dufus.

Dossier author Christopher Steele was working for Putin crony oligarch Oleg Deripaska at the exact same time he was telling Evita and the press that Trump’s alleged ties to Russia were treason. The timeline is developing . Steele in a series of emails plead on behalf of
Deripaska to Ohr .Deripaska had his visa to US revoked due to ties to Russian organized crime.
Former emperor's DOJ official Bruce Ohr helped Chris Steele make the dossier.
Ohr worked directly for Deputy Director Sally Yates, who signed off on the Page FISA warrant.
Emails show Steele and Ohr were in frequent contact, that they intermingled talk about Steele's research and
Deripask's affairs, and that Glenn Simpson, head of Fusion GPS that hired Steele to compile the dossier, was also part of the ongoing conversation. So not only did the Evita campaign conspire with the Russians to compile the salacious and unverified dossier ;but so did various officials of the emperor's justice dept. Ohr's wife Nellie was hired by Fusion GPS specifically to investigate Trump.


http://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/400810-opinion-how-a-senior-justice-official-helped-dems-on-trump-russia-case

https://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/255290/christopher-steele-putin-oleg-deripaska

Another furrfy

the irony is that one of the alleged reasons for the investigation was Manafort's relationship with
Oleg Deripaska .

The reasons for the investigation no longer matter since his criminal charges have ended up in court. It's like being pulled over for a busted tail light and taken to jail for an open bottle of booze or finding outstanding warrants from past offenses. So you guys make a lot about Steele being the catalyst for an investigation, instead of being the one who dropped a dime on POSSIBLE criminal activity.

Just think if The Dufus, his son, and his cronies had come clean on their contacts we wouldn't have this mess, nor the investigation into possible conspiracy since we know what the Russians did, and are doing. The REAL question is what is The Dufus doing about it besides slow walking bipartisan congressional sanctions, and blasting his own appointed law enforcers?

Sorry Tom but no way do I take the word of a lying cheating Dufus without verifying his word. Why do you? Why does Nunes and the house? Did it ever occur to you that others didn't lie about their contacts or reasons for them and a few even reported them to the FBI like you are supposed too.

Cohen PLEADS GUILTY to 8 counts.


Manafort found GUILTY on 8 counts in first trial.


All the presidents men are guilty.

Cohen PLEADS GUILTY to 8 counts.


Manafort found GUILTY on 8 counts in first trial.


All the presidents men are guilty.

Well rally 'round the flag, boys. Never mind, Teflon Trump is in the clear

all this legal activity today . Still see nothing about Russians. Do I believe Trump paid off a porn star to keep quite about an affair ? Yes . Do I believe Manafort did not disclose all his income years ago ? Yes .
Manafort’s trial on bank and tax fraud charges, stemming from political consulting in Ukraine that predates his stint with Trump’s 2016 campaign, Allegations of Manafort being connected to Trump on behalf of Trump was a mistrial. But mission accomplished by Mueller . He can really put the squeeze on Manafort now to try to turn him.

If Cohen pleads guilty to a campaign violation in the porn star payoff to win an election, why wouldn't The Dufus be indicted too? Or is Mueller going to get Don Jr. for conspiracy, and could Daddy be behind that too? On a side note The Dufus is at a rally and has them chanting "Lock her up!', and "Drain the swamp!".

What will repubs do about the Trumps offering Omarosa $180K of donor money to keep quiet? Can the repubs keep holding their nose forever?

you believe
Omarosa ?

You believe Cohen and Manafort don't you. Yes or no? Don lives in the fan department and has that sticky stuff all over him

I don't have to believe her, but the tapes she has released thus far is compelling to say the least. Dufus Jr is certainly screwed. The pardon countdown has already started if the Dufus can stay in office long enough.

I believe Manafort tried to hide income while doing work as a representative of foreigners . I believe Cohen paid off the women he claims to have paid off .I even believe Trump "directed " him to do so . The only issue is if this is in some way a campaign financing violation. The FEC flags hundreds of them every election cycle and the candidate's campaign gets fined . Do I think Trump is a complete sleeze ? Yes . Does that disqualify him ...... ?? seriously ?

Tal she is completely discredited . What video ? That Cohen boarded the Trump campaign plane ?

Tom don't worry, your President is a sleeze, he is following a tradition long established

I believe Manafort tried to hide income while doing work as a representative of foreigners . I believe Cohen paid off the women he claims to have paid off .I even believe Trump "directed " him to do so . The only issue is if this is in some way a campaign financing violation. The FEC flags hundreds of them every election cycle and the candidate's campaign gets fined . Do I think Trump is a complete sleeze ? Yes . Does that disqualify him ...... ?? seriously ?

Tal she is completely discredited . What video ? That Cohen boarded the Trump campaign plane ?

Lara Trump offering Omarosa a paid for nothing campaign position for 3 years that was RECORDED sounds like hush money to me, and exhibits that donors are funding a slush fund. Did the Dufus put her up to it? No proof, but no doubts in my mind either, at least for now. Are her claims of more tapes credible? We'll see. I've NEVER been a fan of Omarosa, but if she can back up her claims with REAL evidence, then it would be hard to ignore wouldn't it.

The Dufus is a sleaze all right and the behavior of his appointments, and public behavior so far, are enough for me to disqualify him from anything else to do with government and as we keep getting more, well that's just icing on the cake I think. Without his repub sycophants in congress, and his constant tweets and TV barrages, he would have been toast already, but as the wheels of justice slowly turn I think he will get what he deserves.

Lost in all of this are repub Dufus sycophants who are under investigation and indictment that hold those safe seats in the midterm re elections this fall. Come on Tom, you were there during Watergate, can you say this is much worse? I CAN!

The " Situation Room " is a Sensitive Compartment-ed Information Facility, or SCIF. Recording conversations there is a criminal offense. If she was offered a no show job (which describes half of Washington) then she was being given a favor . Her book is tanking so clearly she miscalculated on that too. I feel sorry for current and future WH staffers because I'm sure Trump and future Presidents will take steps that security is tightened and secret recordings will never happens again.

You aren't really saying that being a sleaze is a dis qualifier for the office . It would take me too long to post all the examples from history where the President did not achieve sainthood ;even the ones the Dems anoint as such . "Trump used the "N " word " oh really ? and LBJ bragged about how the (n.....s) would vote Democrat for 200 years after civil rights legislation was passed . The stories of his blatant racism is notorious . The difference is that he was in a time before social media and 24 hr advocacy journalism. So the stories were covered up until the 1980s . As far as womanizing ;JFK has Trump beat by miles ;and yes ,his womanizing made him possibly compromised as he had affairs with mafia daughters and Russian spies .

No this is no where's close to Watergate where a President actively led a cover up ,and obstructed justice . Besides his loud mouth and tweets ,Trump has done nothing to impead this investigation .And 2 years later all that has happened is the conviction of a short time campaign manager for crimes unrelated to his work in the campaign..

Minimizing the pile of stinking dung will not make it go away. Unfortunately somebody will eventually have to clean it up, and the dems are pretty use to it. The problem repubs have is a lot of small funky stuff adding up rather fast. Yes it has been two years has it? Seems longer, but The Dufus wasted no time screwing things up.

Now Tal be generous and allow trump to self distruct

I know you're right Clete, and I'm trying to sit back and enjoy the show, but it's FUN blasting on the Dufus at every turn, and his sycophants, and some of my stubborn friends who are still holding their nose as they turn blue around the gills.

The Dufus LIED!

Trumps accountant and tabloid exec. given immunity in the Cohen case. (https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/23/national-enquirer-david-pecker-told-prosecutors-trump-knew-of-cohen-payments-report.html)

And Manafort tried.

One juror held out in Manafort conviction (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-08-23/manafort-juror-says-1-holdout-prevented-18-count-conviction)s (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-08-23/manafort-juror-says-1-holdout-prevented-18-count-conviction)

I think the moron Cohen plead guilty to a crime that he did not commit .
Alan Dershowitz argues that Trump paying for the women to be silent breaks no campaign finance laws IF he used his own contributions to his campaign. IF Cohen used his money then he was subject to limits to the amt he contributed .Trump had $480,000 retainer with Cohen. So it should've been clear that Cohen used Trump funds for the payout .If he didn't then he is as stupid as he looks . And evidently he is because the 8th count was about excessive campaign contributions .

His statements when he pleaded implicated The Dufus, NY is looking into The Trump Foundation for money laundering, boy you NY'ers can certainly cause a stir when you get out of the city. Just in... The Dufus said on Faux News that if he is impeached, the US will sink into the sea, and disappear, or some nonsense to that effect.

You think Vlad can save his bacon, or Pence can save America?

His statement is meaningless. All the left's talk of "unindicted co-conspirator" is a whole bunch of nonsense not based on law. If the prosecutor named him then it would have meaning . Cohen's ramblings have no weight ;and his case was so unimportant to Mueller that he handed it off.

Yes I know the locals here are looking into the Trump Foundation . If there is corruption and law violations there ;they are still pikers to the Clintoon Foundation; which a number of local law enforcement agencies have deliberately over-looked .

Cohen has delusions of grandeur .He believes he is some important cog in the Trump world . Trump retains many lawyers from prestigious agencies . Cohen was his grunt on the ground gofer . Trump gave him a retainers to do things like settle with porn stars . Do you really think he would've been entrusted with anything substantial ?

What is a campaign fund violation ? Is it paying your own campaign to give hush money to porn stars ? Is it $2 million in violations that the emperor only paid a fine for ? Is it Evita not reporting an expenditure that she hid using 2 intermediaries (Fusion GPS and Perkins Coie ) to pay a foreign national to work with other foreign nationals to gather information that would help her in the campaign ?

A campaign fund violation is an expenditure that is falsely labeled to hide another purpose. The Dufus and his sycophants have more than a few and how serious they are is a matter of investigation. Is Clintons piggy backing off the never trumpers efforts the same? Go ahead, investigate that also, but the priority should be the antics of the sitting exec in the White House. Or expand the Justice departments budget and resources since they are under a court ordered search for kids and reuniting them with their families.

I can wait for whatever the long time Dufus organization accountant has to say since he has been granted immunity. Congressional repubs have returned from vacation and their focus is on the Clinton emails... AGAIN. Maybe we should investigate them and drilldown on what they have to show from holding the congress since 2010. We can include the emails and Benghazi investigations in that too.

Meanwhile Lanny Davis ,a Clintonista is Cohen's att. And Mueller who asked Trump for a job When Trump won ;and had a big dispute with Trump 2011 where he ended up terminating his membership to one of Trump's courses is the lead prosecutor .

So how is any of that relevant, or is it even accurate? Was Mueller really asking for a job?

you're kidding right ? Mueller interviewed for Director of FBI before he was appointed by Rosenstein . That is a fact .His name was removed from consideration after the appointment .

I got more questions .How did the Ruskies get Donna Brazille to give Evita debate questions in advance of a debate she moderated ? How did the Ruskies get Wasserman Schultz and the DNC to rig the primaries in favor of Evita over Bernie ?

you're kidding right ? Mueller interviewed for Director of FBI before he was appointed by Rosenstein . That is a fact .His name was removed from consideration after the appointment .

I got more questions .How did the Ruskies get Donna Brazille to give Evita debate questions in advance of a debate she moderated ? How did the Ruskies get Wasserman Schultz and the DNC to rig the primaries in favor of Evita over Bernie ?

I don't question that fact, but you assert Mueller was seeking out The Dufus for a job. I don't get that, and the rest of your questions you have asked before and the loonies were pushing, though I have no doubt of the political chicanery that goes on from both parties as repubs are experts at purging and suppressing minority and democratic votes while they both funnel dark money to where they want it.

A pox on both parties and an end to taxation through misrepresentation. Purge SCOTUS or impose term limits.

Where is Mueller’s re­fer­ral of a case against Evita for Amer­ica? Fed­eral law requires cam­paigns to dis­close the re­cip­i­ent and pur­pose of any pay­ments. The Clin­ton cam­paign paid Fu­sion GPS to com­pile a dossier against Mr. Trump.


Lanny Davis registered as foreign agent to represent Ukrainian businessman and organized crime associate Dmytro Firtash, who also dealt with Paul Manafort and is fighting extradition to US.

And you know the Clinton campaign didn't file the proper documents how?

We are calling Dump Mr. are we? What has he done to earn your respect? Consorted with porn stars and call girls? Cheated with failed businesses? Drained the swamp? Started trade wars? Built a wall? Dismantled Obamacare? Won a war?

This is indisputable fact .Their disclosure reports do not list any payments from Evita's campaign or the D.N.C. to Fusion GPS. They do list a total of $12.4 million in payments to Perkins Coie, but that’ was for legal consulting.
The money was not for “legal consulting,” and to describe it as having been paid to Perkins Coie for legal services is intentionally misleading. The firm was a 3rd party conduit between Fusion and the campaign and DNC. In other words, money that went to the firm was ultimately paid to Fusion. And Fusion provided no legal services to anyone.

https://campaignlegal.org/sites/default/files/10-25-17%20CLC%20DNC%20Clinton%20%28Filed%29.pdf

Perkins Coie's partner Graham M. Wilson all but admits this deception claiming that the "research work" was to support the provision of legal services. That claim is patently false . Their funneling money to Fusion GPS had nothing to do with legal services .It had everything to do with funding Steele's work compiling the dossier.

Looks like you will have to wait for a determination before you can lock her up, as meanwhile The Dufus is getting even more pressure, which sets up the question who gets blasted first and best. Campaign finances are a broken tail light unless it's full scale money laundering or fraud, tax evasion and we have 3 different jurisdictions looking into The Dufus stuff.

I doubt you get that far with an FEC finding, but you never know, since the right wing will never stop it's decades old witch hunt. Of course no telling what Mueller has up his sleeve because unlike The Dufus he keeps his mouth shut until he files charges.

I doubt you get that far with an FEC finding correct . Normally a fine and pay backs except when there is a politically motive to use the issue to squeeze someone into turning state's witness. Then suddenly that person is facing jail time unless there is cooperation .Who's offices got raided ? Not Perkins Coie ..not Fusion GPS ...not the DNC or Evita's offices . So far Flynn ,Manafort ,and Cohen all got the full FBI with their guns drawn treatment .Meanwhile the FBI never asked Evita's aides for their computers . Meanwhile the FBI offered to destroy the evidence in Evita's aides computers . FBI agreed to destroy laptops of Clinton aides with immunity deal, lawmaker says | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/03/fbi-agreed-to-destroy-immunized-clinton-aides-laptops-sources-say.html)

If you don't see a serious double standard here then your vision is worse than Stevie Wonder's . Flynn charged with lying when even the FBI interrogator said he didn't . But have they gone after McCabe after the DOJ inspector General said he lied at least 4 times ? Was Comey charged after his blatant falsehood when he told Congress he had not written his conclusion about Evita before she was interviewed ? Clapper and Brennan both lied under oath and haven't been charged . Cheryl Mills and Huma Weiner both lied when they said they did not know Evita had a private server . Comey said he predicated the Evita investigation on the assumption that she would win the Presidency . He changed his draft from 'gross negligence ' when it was pointed out to him that is a violation of the law . Comey confessed that he passed on confidential FBI notes to a friend for the purpose of leaking them . The DOJ is working under the assumption that there is no att/client privilege when dealing with Cohen . But Mills was given complete protection to a point that she was allowed to sit in on the Evita interview and certainly knew about Evita's attempts to cover up her private server being used as a conduit to pass on classified docs .

You have alleged a lot and maybe when Sessions and the DOJ/FBI finish with The Dufus Gang, they can get the Clintons right and proper.

It's all politics. Clinton supporters want Trump fried, but are fine with Clinton riding off into the sunset. Trump supporters want Clinton brought to justice. The truth is, we had a pretty poor choice of candidates this last time around. I preferred holding my nose and voting for Trump to handing the country over to a dishonest, inept individual who would never have been nominated had she not been female.

allegations ????????????????????????????

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZB52NEPJxUs



https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2018/08/22/despite_comey_assurance_vast_bulk_of_weiner_laptop _emails_never_examined.html

clete fair point

All allegations until proven in a court Tom

While the right wing continues it's decades old onslaught, REAL investigators are getting closer to shutting The Dufus's big mouth.

While the right wing continues it's decades old onslaught, REAL investigators are getting closer to shutting The Dufus's big mouth.




Hardly a non-partisan comment, but I have to admit that it wouldn't be a bad idea for him to shut his mouth about 80% of the time.

As we lose a TRUE American hero, we are left with a lying, cheating, loudmouth bully, who built his support on derision and racism who feeds the desperate and afraid Americans with enough red meat often enough to keep them engorged in the hate to stay behind him, no matter his long standing dubious past, and the people he has surrounded himself with, and the continuing scandals that Mueller brings to light. He will never shut up until someone shuts him up.

RIP John McCain, a REAL American

a lying, cheating, loudmouth bully, who built his support on derision and racism

A little over the top (to say the least). Anyone who supported Obama or Clinton has very little room to be critical of Trump. I lump them all in the same basket. At least Trump is getting some results.

I did not always agree with Senator McCain, but I had great respect for his service in Vietnam.

A little over the top (to say the least). Anyone who supported Obama or Clinton has very little room to be critical of Trump. I lump them all in the same basket. At least Trump is getting some results.

As usual we disagree, no surprise there, but should I lump YOU in the same racist basket that I have placed your leader the great Dufus? Just asking. I can see holding your nose but that will never shield you from the stench of his character, nor the bad taste he leaves ordinary citizens of good conscious. No surprise either that I stand by my comments.


I did not always agree with Senator McCain, but I had great respect for his service in Vietnam.

I have even greater respect for his service after Vietnam. I didn't always agree with him either, but he always represented the best of America, through our worst times, as recently as this last dark year.

As usual we disagree, no surprise there, but should I lump YOU in the same racist basket that I have placed your leader the great Dufus?

That would be as foolish as me trying to lump you in the basket of being a liar because of your support of Hillary Clinton. But perhaps we are just different in that way. I'm not going to resort to the ultra low level of name calling just because we don't agree, especially when there is no evidence at all to back up my name calling. So no, I don't consider you to be a liar. Now you'll have to decide where you stand on that practice.

I see a lot of tributes for McCain from the same people who unmercifully trashed him in 2008 calling him unhinged and questioning his mental facilities . Back then they did criticize his military record ,tying his shoot down with an incident on the deck of the USS Forestall that he was involved in .Mostly their praise for him today stems from their reaction of how Trump trashed him . They forget their words were not much better .

I see a lot of tributes for McCain from the same people who unmercifully trashed him in 2008 calling him unhinged and questioning his mental facilities . Back then they did criticize his military record ,tying his shoot down with an incident on the deck of the USS Forestall that he was involved in .Mostly their praise for him today stems from their reaction of how Trump trashed him . They forget their words were not much better .

Pretty accurate. Again, politics, politics, politics.

Always check snopes. And Trump & Co. were after him until he took his dying breath.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-mccain-fire-uss-forrestal/

Always check snopes. And Trump & Co. were after him until he took his dying breath.

Trump's comments about McCain were terrible. Again, learning to shut the pie hole is a skill he needs to acquire.

That would be as foolish as me trying to lump you in the basket of being a liar because of your support of Hillary Clinton. But perhaps we are just different in that way. I'm not going to resort to the ultra low level of name calling just because we don't agree, especially when there is no evidence at all to back up my name calling. So no, I don't consider you to be a liar. Now you'll have to decide where you stand on that practice.

Just asking to see if you are still holding your nose at the Dufus's antics and behavior as you did when you voted for him. I don't count it as name calling if it's accurate, and a lying, cheating, loudmouth, bully, racist, dufus is as accurate as one can get. Just sayin'.

Ah Tal I wonder why you keep talking about Obama

Just asking to see if you are still holding your nose at the Dufus's antics and behavior as you did when you voted for him. I don't count it as name calling if it's accurate, and a lying, cheating, loudmouth, bully, racist, dufus is as accurate as one can get. Just sayin'.

Nah. That's not what you were doing. "Should I lump YOU in the same racist basket that I have placed your leader the great Dufus?" You were suggesting I might be a racist. Just go ahead and own it. Pitiful.

I just don't understand this holier than thou attitude you have. I'm actually OK with much of your criticism of Trump, but anyone who supported Clinton has no room to criticize anyone. She's as big a "distorter of the truth" as I know of.

Nah. That's not what you were doing. "Should I lump YOU in the same racist basket that I have placed your leader the great Dufus?" You were suggesting I might be a racist. Just go ahead and own it. Pitiful.

I just don't understand this holier than thou attitude you have. I'm actually OK with much of your criticism of Trump, but anyone who supported Clinton has no room to criticize anyone. She's as big a "distorter of the truth" as I know of.

I suggested nothing! I asked my question directly. I own my own decisions and words. I take you at your word.

Should I lump YOU in the same racist basket that I have placed your leader the great Dufus?


I own my own...words


My point exactly.

Moving on along.

Nice sidestep, but in your own words PITIFUL. You agree with my criticism of The Dufus MOSTLY, but not about his racists statements, or insults? You resort to hiding behind Hillary's flaws, but she isn't the leader of the free world now is she? No you staunch righties love to sidestep the issue by bringing in the flaws of others not even a part of the conversation or question. You have no problem blasting females with many baby daddys, or able bodied low wage workers getting public assistance, while you balk at raising the minimum wage but approve of rich guy tax cuts, but the simple question of approving of the racist statements of the guy you voted for goes unanswered.

Actually I expected you to simply say that there is but one race, the human race, but don't let me put words in your mouth, and take my apology for presenting such a pitiful question that elicited your pitiful response. You cannot even be a racist, though you held your nose and voted for one, unless you can affect the life of the one you hate because of his differences adversely. I might even be wrong about the Dufus on closer reflection, because he seems to hate EVERYBODY, and puts himself above all. Maybe the case is he talks his racial crap to make the TRUE racist think he is one of them to bring them to the polls and get their vote.

Hmmmm! Pandering to a crowd is certainly a part of his MO, but before he pandered for votes he did some blatantly racist things in his business and personal life. Still holding your NOSE? I don't blame you. His stench is overpowering in ALL areas.

Wow. Did someone got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning? Well, as I said, you own your own words. You voted for a liar. Does that make you a liar? I don't think so. And I am not a staunch righty, nor have I blasted anyone. At any rate, moving on.

I have stated many times that given the sad choices we had in 2016, I voted for Trump and would do so again. I will never vote for a person who stood by and did nothing while 4 brave Americans died in Benghazi and then repeatedly lied about it. You voted for her. That was your choice and that's your privilege, but you might as well get off your high horse and come down here in the real world with the rest of us. You did not vote for a saint.

Unemployment for black Americans is now the lowest in history. Pretty good work for a supposed racist. The truth is, Trump has economically done more in 18 months for all Americans than Obama did in 8 years.

I don't think there are just a lot of people out there convinced that Trump is a racist. An adulterer? True. Arrogant? Seems to be the case. Colluded with Russia? No evidence for that. Cannot control his mouth? Guilty as charged. Would have stood by and done nothing during the Benghazi incident? Not a chance.

I have four priorities for a president. 1. Appoint federal judges who believe in the rule of law/the Constitution. 2. Revive the economy. 3. Balance the federal budget. 4. Stand up for and defend the rights of the unborn. Trump is doing well on the first two, lousy on the third, and shows promise for the fourth. Obama was one half for 4 and Clinton would have been 0 for 4.

There is a lot to be critical of Trump. Being a racist is not a legitimate charge .EVERYONE acknowledged that before he ran. Jesse Jackson's Rainbow Push gave Trump a lifetime achievement award for his work in bringing African Americans into the corporate world . Jackson called Trump a“friend” who embraced “the under-served communities.” Trump only sees one color .....green .

Tomder, I've thought the same thing. I don't really know of any racist comments by Trump other than the stupid remark he made about Mexico only sending us rapists and thieves (or whatever it was).

That being said ;Trumps antics with the flag today are morally unjustified ,petty ,insipid ,and well beneath the office of the Presidency . It is also dumb politics . He may be able to hold his base with childish antics ;and maybe that is enough for him. He has a rare moment to unite the country and his vindictiveness is getting in the way. So any unity that comes from this will be the majority uniting against him .

He has a rare moment to unite the country and his vindictiveness is getting in the way.

I think you are right with that, but don't try running that by most of the hardcore Trump supporters. They are absolutely convinced that the fake news services are Trump's biggest problem. If Trump would closely study Reagan, he would learn how to be pleasant and still be strong.

I don't really know of any racist comments by Trump other than the stupid remark he made about Mexico only sending us rapists and thieves (or whatever it was). They ginned up his comments(alleged by Sen Durbin) about some countries being sh*tholes . Then you have this woman who he had brought with him from his television shows into the White House claiming he used the N word repeatedly. But this was her in 2016 .

https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2016/03/18/omarosa-manigault-supports-donald-trump-sot-blitzer-tsr.cnn

Tomder, I've thought the same thing. I don't really know of any racist comments by Trump other than the stupid remark he made about Mexico only sending us rapists and thieves (or whatever it was).

Google is your friend. "Trumps discrimination suits"

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/29/donald-trump-blacks-lawsuit_n_855553.html

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/donald-trump-university-judge-gonzalo-curiel-223684

My personal favorite Dufus racist story, blasting black athletes who take a knee during the national anthem protesting police killings of blacks, by casting them as unpatriotic.

Common, you can't plead ignorant to his patterns of racism, nor his soft touch to the racists that make up his voting base.



That being said ;Trumps antics with the flag today are morally unjustified ,petty ,insipid ,and well beneath the office of the Presidency . It is also dumb politics . He may be able to hold his base with childish antics ;and maybe that is enough for him. He has a rare moment to unite the country and his vindictiveness is getting in the way. So any unity that comes from this will be the majority uniting against him .

Like I said, he is a self serving Dufus. He just announced the end of NAFTA with a trade agreement with Mexico which the outgoing president said was an understanding to improve NAFTA.

Well he did promise to shake things up. At that he is good at, lies and all.

My personal favorite Dufus racist story, blasting black athletes who take a knee during the national anthem protesting police killings of blacks, by casting them as unpatriotic.

I think a reasonable person might interpret that as being much more about patriotism rather than race. In fact the President didn't mention race. You are the one who brought that up. I never cease to be amazed at how those who lean liberal are so obsessed with race that they cannot see that the rest of us don't think that much about it.

My personal objection to the knee takers is that they are pushing a false narrative of widespread racial prejudice amongst police. The data does not support that at all. And I don't much care what the players do. It's been years since I have wasted much time watching the NFL.

his soft touch to the racists that make up his voting base.
that comment of course is a steaming pile of cow dung. Trump got almost 63 million votes . What percentage of that vote would you consider his 'racist base' ? It is attitudes like that by the Dems that will blow up in their faces in 2020 . You have learned absolutely nothing from the election. amazing !

the racists that make up his voting base.

Yep. When you run out of facts, then resort to baseless name calling. And then you have the 8% of blacks and 29% of Hispanics who voted for Trump, and are undoubtedly a bunch of racists as well. Racists, racists, racists! The woods are full of them!

that comment of course is a steaming pile of cow dung. Trump got almost 63 million votes . What percentage of that vote would you consider his 'racist base' ? It is attitudes like that by the Dems that will blow up in their faces in 2020 . You have learned absolutely nothing from the election. amazing !

He has a good chance of re election considering so many can ignore his glaring flaws and vote for him. Desperate? Hated Hillary that much? Just wanted a warm body to sign the papers for the repub agenda? If Mueller doesn't get him first. How many are racist you ask? My estimate is 10-20% easy. I would say we didn't learn anything from the last election. We learned that the repub party is desperate for it's agenda to be moved that the would accept anything and anybody to further that end.


Yep. When you run out of facts, then resort to baseless name calling. And then you have the 8% of blacks and 29% of Hispanics who voted for Trump, and are undoubtedly a bunch of racists as well. Racists, racists, racists! The woods are full of them!

Obviously more than you would admit to, since you don't think its any and why listen to people hollering foul, when you don't see a problem yourself. Either do your homework or walk a mile in a black guys shoes. Maybe a few blocks would open up your mind. For a guy with such great sympathy for those families of the slain Americans in Benghazi, you dismiss the families of those slain by police here rather easily.

Either do your homework or walk a mile in my shoes. Maybe a few blocks would open up your mind.

No doubt true. Still, it's interesting to me that when I talk with conservatives, the conversation scarcely ever goes to race. I know a lot of people who supported Trump, and I can't think of a one that I would call a racist. The vast majority of them would happily agree with Dr. King's call to value people not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.

By no means JL do I mean to infer that all conservatives or white people in general are racists far from it but they are a part of Trumps base, and obvious it's more than a few repubs who can put the content of his character aside for a chance at running their agenda. If that's what it takes then that's what it takes I suppose.

So you are saying being objectionable is acceptable to advance your political agenda, must be the reason we see so many dills in politics

it's more than a few repubs who can put the content of his character aside for a chance at running their agenda.

Sadly, that seems to be the course of politics. Dems did the same thing with Hillary. It's always about issues. Carter was elected at least in part because it was thought he had good character, and that turned into disaster. Not too sure what I propose we do about it.

The solution is obvious, only elect cads but then you already do that

The solution is obvious, only elect cads but then you already do that.

Definition of cad:

an ill-bred man, especially one who behaves in a dishonorable or irresponsible way toward women.

Bill Clinton???

The Dufus is but part of the problem. The congress has as much responsibility for this divisive malaise as the Dufus does. The ultimate responsibility lies with the people who elect these idiots. We reap what we sow. Nobody can be happy with what we have sown lately. It's a crap sandwich. Possible course correct opportunity coming in a few short months.



Trump got almost 63 million votes .

A decidedly clear minority. Could that be the problem?







Definition of cad:

an ill-bred man, especially one who behaves in a dishonorable or irresponsible way toward women.

Bill Clinton???




Clinton has nothing on The Dufus. We will see what Mueller has.

Definition of cad:

an ill-bred man, especially one who behaves in a dishonorable or irresponsible way toward women.

Bill Clinton???




Donald Trump

Donald Trump

And my point is, you could put Clinton or Trump either one in the category of "cad". All the holier than thou crowd that is so down on Trump all voted for Clinton with a smile on their face and joy in their hearts. That's what I find to be annoying, how anyone who supported Bill or Hillary could find the audacity to point the finger at Trump and act like they would have never voted for anyone with moral and character issues. If they want to criticize his stands on issues, then that is fine, but they might as well stop acting like a bunch of saints occupying the moral high ground. The stench around the democrats is, if anything, at least as great as the stench around the republicans. Now maybe we could all begin to insist, dems and repubs alike, that politicians live an honorable life, but good luck with that one.


Possible course correct opportunity coming in a few short months.

If you think that putting Nancy Pelosi and Elizabeth Warren in charge of things is the answer, then you need a couple of strong cups of coffee.

You would rather have feckless men, than strong accomplished females do the peoples work? That might work for you but hasn't gotten the job done. Or maybe you missed the disgusting display of YOUR guy announcing a deal he doesn't have yet with Mexico. Much like the deal he had with Kim, or the still disgusting display he put on with Vlad. His policies, and methods are DISGUSTING. Coffee doesn't cure that.

strong accomplished females

Make that THREE cups of coffee. I am all for genuinely accomplished females, but Pelosi, Warren, and Clinton combined have accomplished nothing worth talking about. It reminds me of the time Bill O'Reilly asked two dems what HC's greatest accomplishment was, and they literally could not come up with a single thing.

Trump got almost 63 million votes .



A decidedly clear minority. Could that be the problem?


lol it was not the majority but it is a huge stretch to say it was a decidedly clear minority .It was a little over 2% difference ;but in our electoral system it was a landslide .

Yes there are plenty women I could vote for . In fact I wish Condi Rice would throw her hat in the ring.


BTW the suppressed news of the week is the degree that Lanny Davis lied about what Cohen knows .

An FBI Special Agent Jonathan Moffa told Congress in testimony that the bureau has used leaked news stories as justifications to obtain surveillance warrants against American citizens.Moffa told congressional investigators that the FBI and Justice Department have leaked stories to the press ,and then used the reporting in the press to obtain FISA warrants . Rep Mark Meadows tweeted about it :


We've learned NEW information suggesting our suspicions are true: FBI/DOJ have previously leaked info to the press, and then used those same press stories as a separate source to justify FISA's

Unreal. Tomorrow's Bruce Ohr interview is even more critical. Did he ever do this?
https://twitter.com/RepMarkMeadows/status/1034264442786246656?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1034264442786246656&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fdailycaller.com%2F2018%2F08%2 F27%2Fsource-fbi-congress-leaked-stories-spy-warrants%2F

Moffa worked closely on the Evita email investigation with Peter Strzok.Strzok and Moffa both took part in the July 2, 2016 kids gloves interview with Evita about her use of a private email server to exchange classified emails.

Yes there are plenty women I could vote for . In fact I wish Condi Rice would throw her hat in the ring.

Isn't it amazing? Of the two former female Secretaries of State, Clinton is the one who runs. Bummer.

An FBI Special Agent Jonathan Moffa told Congress in testimony that the bureau has used leaked news stories as justifications to obtain surveillance warrants against American citizens.Moffa told congressional investigators that the FBI and Justice Department have leaked stories to the press ,and then used the reporting in the press to obtain FISA warrants . Rep Mark Meadows tweeted about it :


https://twitter.com/RepMarkMeadows/status/1034264442786246656?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1034264442786246656&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fdailycaller.com%2F2018%2F08%2 F27%2Fsource-fbi-congress-leaked-stories-spy-warrants%2F

Moffa worked closely on the Evita email investigation with Peter Strzok.Strzok and Moffa both took part in the July 2, 2016 kids gloves interview with Evita about her use of a private email server to exchange classified emails.

The only thing worse than listening to a lying, cheating dufus, is listening to a lying, cheating dufus sycophant.

The only thing worse than listening to a lying, cheating dufus, is listening to a lying, cheating dufus sycophant.





Yeah, I don't like listening to Hillary either. (Sorry...couldn't resist.)

lying, cheating dufus sycophant.
yeah but I already told you about Lanny Davis .

Attorney Lanny Davis says he was an anonymous source in a July CNN story that reported his client, Michael Cohen, had privately claimed that President Trump had advance knowledge of the infamous Trump Tower meeting between his son and Russians — contradicting Davis's own words on CNN's air last week. In the story, Cohen was reported to claim he had personally witnessed Donald Trump Jr. informing then-candidate Trump about the June 2016 meeting. Such a claim from Cohen would directly contradict Trump’s statements about his knowledge of the meeting, where Russians were set to offer dirt on Hillary Clinton. CNN’s July 26 story has come under fresh scrutiny in recent days after Davis acknowledged he had served as an anonymous source for multiple news outlets who were seeking to confirm the CNN article in the hours after it published. Davis has backed away from the story in recent days, telling the Washington Post that he is not certain if the claim is accurate, and that he could not independently corroborate it.



"I should have been more clear - including with you - that I could not independently confirm what happened," Davis said, adding: "I regret my error."

"I should have been more clear - including with you - that I could not independently confirm what happened," Davis said, adding: "I regret my error."...…
CNN's story broke exactly one month ago, on July 27 - Davis only began reining it in last week. Why wait that long if it was erroneous? Did Cohen not notice he was being put forward as the guy who might be able to prove Trump's collusion with Russia - a claim that, if true, could end an American presidency?



I have to admit ;this doesn't make sense to me . If he was knowingly lying to CNN then why would he admit it and hand CNN out to dry ? Maybe Cohen punked him . He deserves it . Why would the Clintoon family
consigliere represent Cohen one wonders ? Maybe because he got Cohen to plead guilty to something that isn't a crime ? Hmmm maybe he is colluding with Mueller ?

Cohen paraphrase from a classic scene from 'Godfather II' :
"Oh, Donald Trump, No. I never heard of it. I never heard of nothing like that. I was in the real estate business with his him a long time ago. That's all. The FBI guys promised me a deal. So I made up a lot of stuff about Donald Trump and his kids. Because then, that's what they wanted. But it was all lies. Everything. They said Donald Trump did this, Donald Trump did that. So I said, "Yeah, sure."



​https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FeMvQR-0VA

Any new arguments today

The Dufus is still wanting to get rid of his attorney general Jeff Sessions because he cannot lawfully control or stop the Mueller investigations as it gets closer to his inner circle. Takes gall and desperation to obstruct justice in public by wanting his AG to do something illegal. I'm no Sessions fan after he gutted the civil right division of the justice department and implemented the inhuman zero tolerance policy and even further back to his senate days, but he is yet another Dufus sycophant that has fallen from favor of the maniacal desperate DUFUS, and gets abused for not doing as the boss says!

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-wants-to-fire-sessions-republican-response-2018-8

BREAKING NEWS... Another one bites the dust!

Don McGahn white house counsel is leaving this fall.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-mcgahn/white-house-counsel-mcgahn-to-leave-post-in-the-fall-trump-idUSKCN1LE1TT

like it is so unusual to have turnover in the White House .

What would be illegal if Sessions or Trump for that matter were to fire Mueller ? Answer ;nothing .

like it is so unusual to have turnover in the White House .

What would be illegal if Sessions or Trump for that matter were to fire Mueller ? Answer ;nothing .

If he has intent to stop a lawful investigation it surely is obstruction, as well as dangling pardons, and praising his criminal cohorts to not cooperate with law enforcement. That's what he does in public, and no telling what goes on behind the scene.

Go ahead, fire Mueller, then worry about NY, and Stormy. I mean geez Tom, he wants Google investigated for rigging the search engine against him. He's out of his friggin' mind I tell you, get him out of here and move in Pence so he can do this repub agenda quietly, until we get Biden or Bernie, or both in 2020.

I'm running out of movies and popcorn for crissake!

And thus we see the problem that the dems have, when there are no other names to mention other than Biden or Bernie Sanders.

Obama put us an additional 10 tril in debt, and Trump shows no signs of balancing a budget, so the day of reckoning is probably fast approaching anyway.

I was throwing out names, but I don't know who will emerge in 2020. Maybe The Dufus flips and starts throwing rocks for us!

If he has intent to stop a lawful investigation it surely is obstruction
wrong again . POTUS can legally and constitutionally direct Sessions to fire Mueller any time he wants ;or do it himself. The Constitution in Art 2 clause 1 is unambiguously clear that

"The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America."



Under the Constitution, it is beyond the power of Congress to limit or impose conditions on any president’s authority to remove a political appointee within the Justice Department or any other department in the executive branch.



Any idea of "obstruction " would be a political consideration for Congress to determine.

Yeah that's what Nixon said and that started a chain of events that bit him in his butt. Hmm Nixon had his buddies behind him too until they stared at the smoking gun... TAPES! Maybe we should stay tuned, because Slick Mitch ain't going to jail for nobody and the senate is quiet even if the House is lining up to kiss butt! Well the Freedom cause part anyway.

What you think repub rats won't jump ship to save their own arses?

Yeah, but first you need a smoking gun and at present there is not one. No smoke, no gun, no nothing. Just a bunch of sore losers. Now it might come out in the future, but so far, nada.

Even if we cannot find collusion with a foreign party yet (That's a big yet), we already have his business practices under scrutiny, and charges may be pending, as his cohort go to jail, and hopefully you were holding your nose still when he give himself such high praise AGAIN for his response to Americans in dire need already, but a disaster after being hit by TWO hurricanes with 3000 dead. I mean you holler about 4 Americans killed in a foreign land, but ignore THOUSANDS that died in our own territory? Oh yeah there has been plenty of smoke around this Dufus's words AND behavior to know there is a fire burning somewhere, just listen to him when his head explodes like a volcano every time someone gets close to him with a bucket of water.

Sooner or later JL you will realize your nose is hurting from always holding it, and you can't breath and instead of blaming the lying, cheating, dufus you voted for, you will only holler Hillary, with a bit of Obama thrown in for variety. I think you would be happier being able to breath through your nose and can close your mouth for a while so The Dufus can't keep shoveling crap down your throat for you to swallow and regurgitate on his command.

But I guess as long as you get your judges and a few bucks you're happy with the way things are going, but I expect more from the country that supposed to be so great. I want more than just the words, but the deeds and actions, and all the action the dufus has shown is selfish and stupid at best, and criminal no doubt, more lies than truth for sure.

You'll see.

the King added in an offended tone, and everybody laughed, 'Let the jury consider their verdict,' the King said, for about the twentieth time that day. 'No, no!' said the Queen. 'Sentence first — verdict afterwards.' 'Stuff and nonsense!' said Alice loudly

Sooner or later JL you will realize your nose is hurting from always holding it, and you can't breath and instead of blaming the lying, cheating, dufus you voted for, you will only holler Hillary, with a bit of Obama thrown in for variety.

You would sound a lot more genuine if you conceded that the candidate you voted for required just as much nose holding as the one I voted for. This is the posture of liberals, to try and convince everyone else of their moral superiority when in fact they have but little morality. The people who yawned and went back to sleep after Benghazi and the lying that accompanied it for months afterward have no room for claiming the moral high ground. You really should try to clean the dirt from your own shoes before taking care of everyone else's.

the candidate you voted for required just as much nose holding as the one I voted for.Unfortunately, Trump offends in some way something or someone every day.

the King added in an offended tone, and everybody laughed, 'Let the jury consider their verdict,' the King said, for about the twentieth time that day. 'No, no!' said the Queen. 'Sentence first — verdict afterwards.' 'Stuff and nonsense!' said Alice loudly


Fantasy doesn't apply to the reality of the events. As cohorts of the Dufus are charged and sentenced, Mueller AND others are bring charges, and building cases against The Trump Empire in a court of law. Hey maybe he gets off with a fine or NOTHING, that remains to be seen, maybe nobody else goes to JAIL, but it's hardly nonsense, and wasn't before when he paid fines and was ordered restitution.

Was that stuff and nonsense?


You would sound a lot more genuine if you conceded that the candidate you voted for required just as much nose holding as the one I voted for. This is the posture of liberals, to try and convince everyone else of their moral superiority when in fact they have but little morality. The people who yawned and went back to sleep after Benghazi and the lying that accompanied it for months afterward have no room for claiming the moral high ground. You really should try to clean the dirt from your own shoes before taking care of everyone else's.

If I had to hold my nose I wouldn't have voted for Hillary. Let's understand though I'm not trying to convince you of anything, that's a waste of time and a lesson I learned many years ago. Case in point, while you are stuck on Benghazi, thousands of Americans have died and thousands more still suffer while the Dufus pats himself on the back and lies about how great he did.

You're entitled to your selective outrage I suppose, and how you keep your shoes. You are not entitled to your own facts however, and your right wing loony conspiracy theories are old and debunked by official investigations. You loonies never concede you're wrong. That's sad, but I have little sympathy for it. Nothing personal just FACTS!

If I had to hold my nose I wouldn't have voted for Hillary.

You need to see a nose doctor at the earliest possible moment. She smelled to the high heavens.

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/statements/byruling/false/


thousands of Americans have died and thousands more still suffer while the Dufus pats himself on the back

You can be sure that if that was a true statement, the left wing press would be all over it. I was referring to 4 REAL Americans as opposed to your fantasy.

DUDE, Puerto Ricans ARE Americans! Their dilemma has been all over the news.

DUDE, I know this is going to be a shock to you, but President Trump was not responsible for Hurricane Georges.

Besides, that report of several thousand Puerto Ricans being dead from the hurricane is a prime example of modern math. The way they arrived at the number is questionable in the extreme.

they remember how much hay they made blaming Bush for Katrina .

Whether 4 people died in Puerto Rico or 3,000 the real fact is the response was inadequate. The president may not be responsible for the deaths but he is responsible for the response. You can argue all day about mortality statistics and it helps no one

I just hope you said the same thing about Benghazi, which was really cut and dried and 100% the responsibility of Obama and Clinton, but I suspect you didn't. It's only wrong when it happens with Trump. That's my primary source of disagreement with you.

Now it might be that the response could have been significantly better, though I don't think anyone can be sure of that, but even that would not have helped much with the death toll. It would not have stopped the winds and destruction.

It would probably help if you guys would stop taking victory laps after your photo shoots and declaring mission accomplished, or "we done a good job".

It would probably help if you guys would stop taking victory laps after your photo shoots and declaring mission accomplished, or "we done a good job".

It will be easy for me to stop since I never started.

Tell that to the guy you held your nose and voted for.

I just hope you said the same thing about Benghazi, which was really cut and dried and 100% the responsibility of Obama and Clinton, but I suspect you didn't. It's only wrong when it happens with Trump. That's my primary source of disagreement with you.

Now it might be that the response could have been significantly better, though I don't think anyone can be sure of that, but even that would not have helped much with the death toll. It would not have stopped the winds and destruction.


Benghazi was not a natural disaster, it was an Obama/HC stuff up so we should not be discussing these Events as equal. Benghazi cost a few lives which may have been preventable. When you talk about incompetence you should separate lack of compassion from racism

Benghazi was not a natural disaster... we should not be discussing these Events as equal...Benghazi cost a few lives which may have been preventable.

Exactly. The events are not equal at all, since unlike a natural disaster, Benghazi was completely preventable, and liberals sat on their content rear ends and said nothing because that was politically expedient.

You might have grounds to challenge his competence, but the racism comment is just another baseless charge from liberals who can think of nothing else to say. When you throw that charge out just because you feel like it, it loses its meaning and just becomes another tired and worn out expression, much like the boy who cried wolf. Sooner or later you need to find a real racist to complain about.

"Benghazi cost a few lives." So says the person who was not amongst the dead.

"Tell that to the guy you held your nose and voted for."



Next time he calls I'll be sure to bring it up.

Exactly. The events are not equal at all, since unlike a natural disaster, Benghazi was completely preventable, and liberals sat on their content rear ends and said nothing because that was politically expedient.

EVERYBODY was just as horrified as you with the loss of life at Benghazi, and to suggest otherwise is total ignorance.


You might have grounds to challenge his competence, but the racism comment is just another baseless charge from liberals who can think of nothing else to say. When you throw that charge out just because you feel like it, it loses its meaning and just becomes another tired and worn out expression, much like the boy who cried wolf. Sooner or later you need to find a real racist to complain about.

So racism doesn't exist, The Dufus never was a racist and isn't one now! That's your position? The Dufus is a real racist we complain about among other dastardly traits that may take a court of law to deal with. Not unlike his past brushes in court that found he willfully discriminated in his leasing practices, or bilked people out of their life savings.


"Benghazi cost a few lives." So says the person who was not amongst the dead.

Neither were you, but you have been obsessing over one event for 6 years, ignoring the many investigations findings, even the one Trey Gowdy held for years, until he came up with nothing new. You're stuck if that's ALWAYS your fallback reason for EVERYTHING.




"Tell that to the guy you held your nose and voted for."


Next time he calls I'll be sure to bring it up.




Don't hold your breath... I sure ain't!

Exactly. The events are not equal at all, since unlike a natural disaster, Benghazi was completely preventable, and liberals sat on their content rear ends and said nothing because that was politically expedient.

You might have grounds to challenge his competence, but the racism comment is just another baseless charge from liberals who can think of nothing else to say. When you throw that charge out just because you feel like it, it loses its meaning and just becomes another tired and worn out expression, much like the boy who cried wolf. Sooner or later you need to find a real racist to complain about.

"Benghazi cost a few lives." So says the person who was not amongst the dead.

Don't take my words out of context. What HC did at Benghazi was inexcusable, but then what Trump did at Peurto Rico was also inexcusable.. No I wasn't at Benghazi, I'm not given to acts of adventurism, and someone needs to speak for the dead, which I don't see you doing, you are just being opportunist

Trump is racist or at least his acts are.

I'm not given to acts of adventurism, and someone needs to speak for the dead, which I don't see you doing, you are just being opportunist

When you speak of the dead, you are a noble person. When I speak of the dead, I'm an opportunist. How convenient for you.

Trump did not kill anyone in Puerto Rico. A hurricane did that.

What racist acts are you referring to?

EVERYBODY was just as horrified as you with the loss of life at Benghazi, and to suggest otherwise is total ignorance.

The deaths were indeed horrific, but that's not the point, and you should know it. We were horrified by the utter lack of preparation by HC, by her total inaction during the event, and by her steadfast lying (aided and abetted by Mr. Obama) for months afterwards as to the cause. You are perfectly fine with all of that, since you said you voted for her without holding your nose, and that is sad.

So we are still back to the old double standard. I'm just waiting for you to say that HC completely bungled the whole thing and, as a result, people died that should not have died. That's the accusation you are making about Trump and PR. Maybe that's true, but you can't have it both ways. So I'll continue to bring it up until we can treat HC and Trump in an equal fashion.

They were equals during the campaign, that is no longer the case as The Dufus will be judged as the CIC NOW, and as such will bear greater scrutiny, than a SOS ever could. Since you obviously cannot grasp the complexity and nuance of my position, you would do well to stick with what you know best and that's chunking rocks for the sake of throwing rocks at the ghosts of the past while ignoring the reality of today, but I respect your honest hate of liberals, no biggie to me.

I get you have intense feelings.

Since you obviously cannot grasp the complexity and nuance of my position,

Your position is the essence of simplicity. One standard for republicans, and a far easier and more lenient one for democrats. That's the difficulty of this, that you cannot bring yourself to admit it, evidently not even to yourself. I hate no one, and certainly not liberals. You will note that you are the user of the derisive word "dufus", not me. But I do despise double standards. No doubt, being human, I employ them sometimes myself, but even then it is a despicable practice.

Bruce Ohr ,in testimony to Congress this week told them that he warned the FBI that Christopher Steele was an unreliable source .He was ignored ,and the FBI used the dossier as evidence to obtain FISA Warrants . He made clear that these conversations included all the heavyweights in the FBI investigation,Peter Strzok, ,Lisa Page, and Andrew McCabe. So senior people were very aware of Steele's role, information and conflict of interest (Ohr told Congressional investigators that Steele had a hatred of Trump that made his work suspect) . All these events came AFTER the FBI terminated their relationship with Steele due to him being unreliable .The FBI made no mention of Ohr's warning in the application, instead characterizing Steele as a “reliable” source. Nor does the application note that Ohr's wife was contributing to the dossier and benefiting financially from the dossier .

Breaking News,

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/31/us/politics/patten-fara-manafort.html


WASHINGTON — An American lobbyist on Friday admitted brokering access to President Trump’s inauguration for a pro-Russian Ukrainian oligarch in a scheme that highlighted the rush by foreign interests to influence the new administration.As part of a plea agreement under which he pledged to cooperate with federal prosecutors, the lobbyist, Sam Patten, pleaded guilty to failing to register as a foreign agent for a Russia-aligned Ukrainian political party, and to helping the Ukrainian oligarch who had funded that party illegally purchase four tickets to Mr. Trump’s inauguration.

helping the Ukrainian oligarch who had funded that party illegally purchase four tickets to Mr. Trump’s inauguration.

Well, if that's the best you've got, then you basically have nothing.

failing to register as a foreign agent for a Russia-aligned Ukrainian political party are they talking about the Podesta Group again ?

No, I'm referencing the current crew of dastards the Mueller Crew and his associates are bringing to court and exposing the Russian Connection which beats me how you can deny. Nobody knows where he will end up, but he is doing the job he is tasked with, investigating Russian campaign interference, and getting the rats along the way.

Will you get your wish and the dems and Clintons get caught in his net? We'll see.

helping the Ukrainian oligarch who had funded that party illegally purchase four tickets to Mr. Trump’s inauguration.




BTW, and I ask this sincerely, why would that have been illegal? I would think anyone who wanted to could go to the inaugural so long as they had a ticket.

Might add that I was so hoping that Trump would have stepped forward and said, "There will be no inaugural balls. There is too much work to do, and we don't need to waste that kind of money." Sadly, he did just like Mr. Obama and others before him.

From what I gleaned:


Sam Patten, pleaded guilty to failing to register as a foreign agent for a Russia-aligned Ukrainian political party, and to helping the Ukrainian oligarch who had funded that party illegally purchase four tickets to Mr. Trump’s inauguration.

That makes any actions he took on behalf of that foreign government illegal. I honestly don't know if had he registered if his actions would have been lawful. Still looking.

"Patten’s plea agreement also included the suggestion that the Trump Inaugural Committee improperly accepted funds from a foreigner. Patten admitted that he illegally helped a Ukrainian oligarch buy a ticket to Trump’s swearing-in through a straw-man donor, though as part of his cooperation agreement he wasn’t charged."

So someone goes to the Trump campaign and buys a ticket to the swearing in ceremony, and then sells the ticket to a foreign government official. Well, that is about as small potatoes as it can get. Hopefully someone in our government could have enough sense to see that this is really not worth getting upset about. Even if he bought fifty tickets to resell, that would still be on him and not on the Trump campaign unless they knowingly cooperated. And even then, it's still garbage. It just shows how ridiculous our system of laws has become. I would think any reasonable person (not a Trump-hating democrat) would agree that this is just plain silly. Give someone a 500 dollar fine and move on to something that might actually be important. If it wasn't for the political content, we wouldn't even know about it.

Meanwhile, hundreds continued to be murdered in Chicago every year. The great error of our country seems to be that we cannot figure out what is really important.

What you so easily dismiss as a small thing may be just the tip of the iceberg to money laundering, and influence peddling, and you do know the inauguration committee is under investigation to account for the money raised and spent don't you? Of course you don't. Guys like Patten, Manafort, and Cohen spend their lives funneling money from the clients to other places for their own enrichment. If it was that small the culprits would pay the fine and keep wheeling and dealing and not plead guilty and cooperate with the law for a better sentence now wouldn't they?

Russians messing with your country, and it's government isn't important to you?

Haven't you ever heard the old saying if you see one roach, there may be a lot more you don't see?

What you so easily dismiss as a small thing may be just the tip of the iceberg to money laundering, and influence peddling, and you do know the inauguration committee is under investigation to account for the money raised and spent don't you? Of course you don't. Guys like Patten, Manafort, and Cohen spend their lives funneling money from the clients to other places for their own enrichment. If it was that small the culprits would pay the fine and keep wheeling and dealing and not plead guilty and cooperate with the law for a better sentence now wouldn't they?

Thank goodness the democrats never do any of those things. At any rate, right now it is a maybe they possibly might have perhaps done something of a completely unspecified nature wrong. Other than, of course, buying a ticket to the swearing in.


Russians messing with your country, and it's government isn't important to you?
Ukraine


Haven't you ever heard the old saying if you see one roach, there may be a lot more you don't see? Says the man who admits, with no hint of discomfort, that the Clintons have been under investigation for 30 years. They without question broke the law on more than one occasion. Again...politics. It's kind of sad to see how liberals are so lusting for blood with Trump. Man, talk about hate. They display it openly and proudly. You want to identify the hate speech crowd in America? Look at the left. Now Trump, with his big mouth and ultra sensitive nature doesn't help matters, but he's outnumbered about 10 million to one.

Thank goodness the democrats never do any of those things. At any rate, right now it is a maybe they possibly might have perhaps done something of a completely unspecified nature wrong. Other than, of course, buying a ticket to the swearing in.

No maybe to it for some of these guys since they pleaded guilty. I mean DUH!


Ukraine

Lots of Russians in Ukraine trying to get control back... DUH!


Says the man who admits, with no hint of discomfort, that the Clintons have been under investigation for 30 years. They without question broke the law on more than one occasion. Again...politics. It's kind of sad to see how liberals are so lusting for blood with Trump. Man, talk about hate. They display it openly and proudly. You want to identify the hate speech crowd in America? Look at the left. Now Trump, with his big mouth and ultra sensitive nature doesn't help matters, but he's outnumbered about 10 million to one.


Geez JL, 30 years of allegations, investigations, rumors and conspiracy theories and you guys have ZIP! Nada! Look whose been crying wolf for 30 years and all of a sudden expect to be believed. That in my book make you crazy or incompetent and you better hope Mueller saves YOUR arses, but it may cost the dufus his.

Hope you don't mind if I dismiss most of your covering the Dufus's butt and his sensitive heart and all as loony talk. Unless I missed the sarcasm font,

No maybe to it for some of these guys since they pleaded guilty. I mean DUH!

"No maybe to it for some" What?? At any rate, nothing involving the Trump campaign. (Started to say "DUH", but decided I don't want to sink to your level.)


Lots of Russians in Ukraine trying to get control back... DUH!


Again, nothing to do with the Trump campaign. (same as above)


Geez JL, 30 years of allegations, investigations, rumors and conspiracy theories and you guys have ZIP! Nada! Look whose been crying wolf for 30 years and all of a sudden expect to be believed. That in my book make you crazy or incompetent and you better hope Mueller saves YOUR arses, but it may cost the dufus his.

I really don't care if you believe this or not. Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton were both convicted of the same number of crimes as Trump, which is ZERO. The difference is, Bill lied in grand jury testimony and that is widely admitted. HC was investigated by the FBI, found guilty of misconduct, and then a now widely discredited FBI director chose not to prosecute. Now in the case of Trump, the evidence clearly shows he did... beat the socks off HC in the election! And you just can't get over it. But no evidence of criminal activity is there. Now it might show up. If it does, maybe Trump can get a softie in the FBI to let him off the hook like HC did.

And none of that included the 3 women (Kathleen Willey, Juanita Broaddrick, and Paula Jones) who accused Clinton of everything from sexual harassment to rape. But of course liberals only believe women when they accuse conservatives. How about you? You believe those 3 women?

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The got him ! Papadopoulos ;14 days in the slammer !! What did he do again ? Jay walk ?

This is a joke . To refresh your memory . The regulations under which Rosenstein made the appointment require (a) a factual basis for believing that a federal crime worthy of investigation or prosecution has been committed; (b) a conflict of interest so significant that the Justice Department is unable to investigate this suspected crime in the normal course; and (c) an articulation of the factual basis for a criminal investigation i.e., the investigation of specified federal crimes.

Mueller was appointed May 17.2017 by Rod Rosenstein, and we STILL do not have any explanation of the crime being investigated . Discovering an alleged crime AFTER the Special Council is appointed is like Alice in Wonderland's Queen of Hearts announcing the verdict before the charges . There is ONLY one thing that would justify the appointment of a special counsel: concrete evidence that Donald Trump committed a crime in connection with Russia’s election interference. IF there is that evidence ,it has never been revealed to the public. Instead the investigation nibbles around the edges putting a Trump operative in jail who was so insignificant to the campaign that no one in the inner circle knew who he was .

The got him ! Papadopoulos ;14 days in the slammer !! What did he do again ? Jay walk ?

He lied to the FBI, pleaded guilty, but you knew that already. No need to refresh my memory, but to refresh YOURS, we have Flynn and Gates pleading guilty, and Manafort convicted of all kinds of white collar crimes and facing more charges in another trial. Not to mention the Russians he indicted, though Vlad will never give them up.

and still no underlying crime to justify the appointment of a Special Council .

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Must I remind you that this is Current Events not Old News Forum?

I love that pic! So true, and everyone admits she did it other than one sycophant on this board. Sad! Sorry. Just had to make the sycophant remark...somewhat in jest.

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Nothing Gates hasn't already told Mueller . Manafort worked for maybe a month for Trump and Mueller had to dig deep into Manafort's past to find wrong doing.
Manafort pled guilty to crimes associated with his lobbying business with Ukraine before he joined the Trump Campaign and witness tampering after he left the Trump Campaign If I was facing 80 years at his age I'd tell Mueller anything he wants to hear .

Hey did you read today about JFKerry colluding with the Iranians in direct violation of the Logan Act ?

Why doesn't he just play ring around the rosey

Nothing Gates hasn't already told Mueller . Manafort worked for maybe a month for Trump and Mueller had to dig deep into Manafort's past to find wrong doing.
Manafort pled guilty to crimes associated with his lobbying business with Ukraine before he joined the Trump Campaign and witness tampering after he left the Trump Campaign
If I was facing 80 years at his age I'd tell Mueller anything he wants to hear .

Hey did you read today about JFKerry colluding with the Iranians in direct violation of the Logan Act ?

We don't know what Mueller knows, but we do know that the savvy Manafort had Russians he was reporting to and getting paid by while he worked for the Dufus, and was indebt to them. That alone bears greater scrutiny don't you think? For fact he pleaded guilty to past actions and current ones as well as when he was the Dufus campaign manager, as charged in the indictment. He gets a pass for any other wrongdoing that comes with his cooperation into anything Mueller asks him about.

Would YOU want to be someone who had ever done business with this person? I bet those that ever did are shaking in their boots.