The web site will be the tip of the iceberg once people start seeing their premiums.

Hello again,

Yeah, the website sucks.. But, it's gonna get fixed.. Then what are you gonna snivel about?

Yaaaaaawn.

excon

I'm still interested in your response to this (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/3573399-post498.html) post. You know buddy, it doesn't reflect to well on you to be in denial of what everyone else sees, and I for one could not have ever imagined you being OK with this regime's total lack of transparency, incompetence and blatant dishonesty.

Meanwhile, Jon Stewart isn't in denial (http://www.mediaite.com/tv/stewart-delivers-blistering-takedown-of-obamacare-rollout-dems-cant-spin-this-turd/)... most websites are designed so that it's “nearly impossible to not sign up for something,” there is no way to "spin this turd’.

But don't worry, the tech surge will be releasing an upgrade soon you can install by following the prompts on 35 floppy disks (http://www.theonion.com/articles/new-improved-obamacare-program-released-on-35-flop,34294/).

Bwa ha ha ha!

Salon.com Exposes Hannity's Lies about Obamacare - Christian Forums (http://www.christianforums.com/t7781488/)


Originally Posted by jazzflower92 View Post
Oh, Salon.com they shill anyone who leans left and basically kiss any left wing idea with no hesitation.
Maybe, but the article is pretty well referenced. You can verify the numbers for yourself, if you like. Also, it highlights the interesting trend of Obamacare detractors who haven't really looked into the issue but just decided beforehand they didn't like it, presumably because it's Obama.

10 biggest lies spewed by Sean Hannity - Salon.com (http://www.salon.com/2013/02/28/10_biggest_lies_spewed_by_sean_hannity/)

Inside the Fox News lie machine: I fact-checked Sean Hannity on Obamacare - Salon.com (http://www.salon.com/2013/10/18/inside_the_fox_news_lie_machine_i_fact_checked_sea n_hannity_on_obamacare/)


I don't doubt that these six individuals believe that Obamacare is a disaster; but none of them had even visited the insurance exchange. And some of them appear to have taken actions (Paul Cox, for example) based on a general pessimistic belief about Obamacare. He's certainly entitled to do so, but Hannity is not entitled to point to Paul's behavior as an “Obamacare train wreck story” and maintain any credibility that he might have as a journalist.

Strangely, the recent shutdown was based almost entirely on a small percentage of Congress's belief that Obamacare, as Ted Cruz puts it, “is destroying America.” Cruz has rarely given us an example of what he's talking about. That's because the best he can do is what Hannity did—exploit people's ignorance and falsely point to imaginary boogeymen.

Update: To check the plans I used this useful calculator from the Kaiser Family Foundation.

I suppose you actually believe every word that Obama says as well. You do have a permanent purple stain from the koolaid.

But don't worry, the tech surge will be releasing an upgrade soon you can install by following the prompts on 35 floppy disks.

Bwa ha ha ha!
The emperor has the "best and the brightest " on the case . For the unititated ,the first time the term "best and brightest " was used in contemporary jargon was the book by David Halberstam about the foreign policy of JFK that led to US involvement in Vietnam. The basic theme of the book is 'smart people too can do stupid things'.

The emperor has the "best and the brightest " on the case . For the unititated ,the first time the term "best and brightest " was used in contemporary jargon was the book by David Halberstam about the foreign policy of JFK that led to US involvement in Vietnam. The basic theme of the book is 'smart people too can do stupid things'.

Also... why wasn't the "Best and the Brightest" used to write this in the first place instead of giving more than half a billion dollars to some Canadian Company... who by very definition must be dimwits to begin with if "the Best and the brightest" are going to be called in to fix it.

The Goracle invented the internet.. Maybe he can solve it .

I'm still interested in your response to this post.
Hey ,the emperor can make the seas recede . Making insufficient software work should be as simple as a jump shot.

Since te Messiah is a master of all things (the lefties claimed over and over how he is the smartest man to ever be president)... he should be able to fix it himself in no time.

Salon.com Exposes Hannity's Lies about Obamacare - Christian Forums (http://www.christianforums.com/t7781488/)



10 biggest lies spewed by Sean Hannity - Salon.com (http://www.salon.com/2013/02/28/10_biggest_lies_spewed_by_sean_hannity/)

Inside the Fox News lie machine: I fact-checked Sean Hannity on Obamacare - Salon.com (http://www.salon.com/2013/10/18/inside_the_fox_news_lie_machine_i_fact_checked_sea n_hannity_on_obamacare/)

Hannity isn't running Obamacare and if you had any sense you'd be concerned about the lies and secrecy from the regime, not a talk show host.

Little differences between you wingers and Hannity, except he intentionally undermines the truth, and while you talk of websites that aren't working you ignore the ones that do. Such selective cherry picking of facts undermines your own credibility to offer solutions.

Thus we have you hollering from the position of ignorance and pure laziness and shroud it in principles while denigrating any other possibility. Your resolutions lack substance or policy and the strategy of implementation is worse than the presidents website rollout but somehow you seem to think his deficiencies will hide your own inadequacy.

No it doesn't. Fact is even though some states are far better than others, in short order we will have state data by which to see the rate of participation even if the feds won't be the initial source. I mean simple logic would tell you that if the state exchanges are working, why would you even be waiting for a government website in the first place? Makes no sense to focus on a website and spread false hoods and not acknowledge that in Kentucky for example, they are signing up folks at a 1000 a day.

That's not a train wreck, that's a growing success.

Hello again, Steve:
You know buddy, it doesn't reflect to well on you to be in denial of what everyone else sees, and I for one could not have ever imagined you being OK with this regime's total lack of transparency, incompetence and blatant dishonesty. I think I said the website sucks. Do YOU see something different? Oh, I know that Breitbart, and the Daily Caller, and Hannity TOLD you something different, but that's it. But, those are just more right wingers flapping their gums..

The only thing you SEE is a broken website.. So do I. Pretty soon, it'll be FIXED, and we'll both see that too.

NONE of that translates into the right wing garbage you're spewing.

excon

I hope you guys buy something that doesn't work 99% of the time... then are told if you give them more money they can fix it for you.


Since this is exactly what the rest of us are being told by the administration.

I hope you guys buy something that doesn't work 99% of the time.
I won't have to buy anything. I'm already insured and am keeping what I have.

I won't have to buy anything. I'm already insured and am keeping what I have.

Just wait until they take it away and you have to get a Obamacare policy with a $6,000 or higher annual deductible.

Just wait until they take it away and you have to get a Obamacare policy with a $6,000 or higher annual deductible.
It won't work that way.

It won't work that way.

Do you really believe that? There are a LOT of employers that have already done exactly that.. and many more that will be doing it soon.

Not even retirees retirement medical plans are untouchable.

45 states will see significant cost increases...only 5 will see a decrease.

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2013/10/enrollment-in-obamacare-exchanges-how-will-your-health-insurance-fare

Smoothy my friend, I love you, but you are either unintentionally lying, or are a loony. I find no evidence that anything you have posted is based in fact. That goes for the rest of my right wing friends also, who post here.

More over I had no problem setting up an account at the federal website and getting 60 quotes.

What needs to be recognised is that everything changes, nothing remains the same and I expect this will be your experience with the ACA. Existing policies and costs will change, new policies and costs will change and the only thing you can be certain of is; everything will change

Clete when you cannot control the changes you have to make a few adjustments, and keep thriving, and surviving..

Smoothy my friend, I love you, but you are either unintentionally lying, or are a loony. I find no evidence that anything you have posted is based in fact. That goes for the rest of my right wing friends also, who post here.

More over I had no problem setting up an account at the federal website and getting 60 quotes.

Well then... you are one of the very few who could... because not even the lefty Media is claiming its working. In fact even the lefty media is claiming few peope were able to register.. and of the people who were able to register, less than 1% of those were able to even get insurance. And most of them are going to find there really don't because of the wrong information that's being passed on to the insurance companies.

So Tal... who is lying here... Obama... the Lefty media... Me and almost everyone else... you you? Because not even Obama is claiming people are having no problem...

Clete when you cannot control the changes you have to make a few adjustments, and keep thriving, and surviving..

Exactly, the world isn't as we would want it and the compromise that is politics can only produce a camel, which as you remember, is a horse designed by a committee

Hello tal:

So Tal... who is lying here... Obama... the Lefty media... Me and almost everyone else... you you?
Arguing with smoothy is like wrestling with a pig. You end up getting covered in mud and the pig enjoys it.

excon

Was that mud? Ex

Hello tal:

Arguing with smoothy is like wrestling with a pig. You end up getting covered in mud and the pig enjoys it.

excon

You guys really love your koolaid... don't you.

Well then... you are one of the very few who could... because not even the lefty Media is claiming its working. In fact even the lefty media is claiming few peope were able to register.. and of the people who were able to register, less than 1% of those were able to even get insurance. And most of them are going to find there really don't because of the wrong information that's being passed on to the insurance companies.

So Tal... who is lying here... Obama... the Lefty media... Me and almost everyone else... you you? Because not even Obama is claiming people are having no problem...

Since I know I'm not lying, and if you believe what you are saying, (which I don't doubt at all) then you are either crazy, or don't know what your talking about. I will let YOU figure that out, but the evidence is mounting that you will soon lose the health care website as a hollering point.

Now I fully expect you to keep hollering about something else, you guys never stop, but I am use to it, and dedicated to continuing to drag your screaming, and kicking, loud right wing a$$ forward into the future. It's a labor of love and compassion, and not an easy job, but somebody has to do it.

Now excuse me while I wash some of that mud off, and let you enjoy your own slop.

Since I know I'm not lying, and if you believe what you are saying, (which I don't doubt at all) then you are either crazy, or don't know what your talking about. I will let YOU figure that out, but the evidence is mounting that you will soon lose the health care website as a hollering point.

Now I fully expect you to keep hollering about something else, you guys never stop, but I am use to it, and dedicated to continuing to drag your screaming, and kicking, loud right wing a$$ forward into the future. It's a labor of love and compassion, and not an easy job, but somebody has to do it.

Now excuse me while I wash some of that mud off, and let you enjoy your own slop.
How about the option you haven't yet explored... that you are crazy or YOU don't know what you are talking about... because You and EX have bought the propaganda hook line and sinker... and OBAMA himself doesn't even believe its working like you both are claiming... and nobody else does either... and there has been ample proof of it...

I guess you think J_9 who unlike you both has actually gotten training and knows this better than you both combined is telling lies too?

How about the option you haven't yet explored... that you are crazy or YOU don't know what you are talking about... because You and EX have bought the propaganda hook line and sinker... and OBAMA himself doesn't even believe its working like you both are claiming... and nobody else does either... and there has been ample proof of it...

I guess you think J_9 who unlike you both has actually gotten training and knows this better than you both combined is telling lies too?
J_9 lives in one of the states where the governor has opted out of Medicaid expansion that will help those under a certain income level be able to afford health insurance. Those in other states will pay a certain percentage and Medicaid will pay a certain percentage, depending on income.

Have you tried to get into the site, smoothy? I tried and got in just fine.

J_9 lives in one of the states where the governor has opted out of Medicaid expansion that will help those under a certain income level be able to afford health insurance. Those in other states will pay a certain percentage and Medicaid will pay a certain percentage, depending on income.

Have you tried to get into the site, smoothy? I tried and got in just fine.

You all are aware that just getting into the site and registering is only the first part of it.

After you put all your personal info up for the hackers of the world to have access to... they will forward all the wrong information for the insurance companies to base their rates off... and since most cases so far have passed incorrect information.. people are going to find they don't have what they thought they would have.

And in most of the so-called successes the lefties have claimed... research has shown all these people did was register... then never actually applied for or got the insurance which is the second part of the process.

Well then... you are one of the very few who could... because not even the lefty Media is claiming its working. In fact even the lefty media is claiming few peope were able to register.. and of the people who were able to register, less than 1% of those were able to even get insurance. And most of them are going to find there really don't because of the wrong information that's being passed on to the insurance companies.

So Tal... who is lying here... Obama... the Lefty media... Me and almost everyone else... you you? Because not even Obama is claiming people are having no problem...

Tal should email the White House so he can be the poster person for Obamacare . The Dem op who they use doesn't have credibility .
Daniel's Covered. You Can Be Covered Too! - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_jnE3OdxNw)
Meet Dan McNaughton . He signed up and got a great deal... at least he claims that . He has served as the webmaster of his local Democratic party, as the chairman of the Young Democrats of Lee County and as a delegate to the 2012 Democratic National Convention.
"Getting coverage this good at this price, I'm thrilled."
Indeed he should be thrilled . He got a $200 a month subsidy from taxpayers on a $270 insurance plan. But isn't he one of them young and healthy invincibles who's mandatory participation was going to pay for the geezers with medical conditions not sever enough to deny coverage to ?

Meet Debbie . She found the web site easy to use too .
Deborah's Covered. You Can Be Covered Too! - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpLct6WJOSE)

She is self employed from a N.E. State so perhaps she does get a considerable savings because states like mine ,NY , have mucked up private insurance so badly on their own, with mandates and community rating and such ,that it's possible she was quoted a big savings . But easy to use ?
Well let's examine that claim.
Her actual time to enroll was 3 working days ;and ,in a converation with Sterling Beard of NRO ,she ”only as far as creating an account before the federal Web site stopped working.”
Enrollee Featured in Healthcare.gov Video Spent Three Days Trying to Enroll | National Review Online (http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/361887/enrollee-featured-healthcaregov-video-spent-three-days-trying-enroll-sterling-beard#)!
N.H. plays catch-up on 'Obamacare' | SeacoastOnline.com (http://www.seacoastonline.com/articles/20131002-NEWS-310020374)
Again ,if she indeed is getting better rates ,lower deductables ,better coverage ,then who is paying for it ?

Well we KNOW who pays when people get sick and use the emergency room instead of making a doctors appointment.

For many years and decades all we have heard from republicans is personal responsibility. Now they have flip flopped and abandoned the personal responsibility and ask who pays. Simple answer, responsible people pay for the not so responsible.

And it won't be the kids who's participation the regime claims is crucial to control a death spiral of price increases because of the expanded coverage for everyone... That I can guarantee.. That's the big lie in this whole scam. As you see from the examples I posted .They will be subsidized . So the young irresponsible will be subsidized ,and the geezers will be subsidized
So who will pay ? The ones like us who have had health care coverage for 30 years + while denying ourselves many other extras because we knew it was important for our families.
That's socialism in a nutshell .Screw the responsible and give to the irresponsible . Take from the makers and give to the takers. Until you run out of other people's money.

So who will pay ? The ones like us who have had health care coverage for 30 years + while denying ourselves many other extras because we knew it was important for our families.
That's socialism in a nutshell .Screw the responsible and give to the irresponsible . Take from the makers and give to the takers. Until you run out of other people's money.

Absolutely, libs need to find another way to assuage their guilt than screw responsible people.

And it won't be the kids who's participation the regime claims is crucial to control a death spiral of price increases because of the expanded coverage for everyone... That I can guarantee.. That's the big lie in this whole scam. As you see from the examples I posted .They will be subsidized . So the young irresponsible will be subsidized ,and the geezers will be subsidized
So who will pay ? The ones like us who have had health care coverage for 30 years + while denying ourselves many other extras because we knew it was important for our families.
That's socialism in a nutshell .Screw the responsible and give to the irresponsible . Take from the makers and give to the takers. Until you run out of other people's money.


Absolutely, libs need to find another way to assuage their guilt than screw responsible people.

I love it when you wingers rail on the solutions others propose when you have no ideas of your own. At least you have dropped the hypocrisy of replace, and are honest about just destroy and go back to the old way of increase and gouge we have suffered through.

To bad you think your abstract generalities are a solution or fix for a REAL problem. Actually the young and the poor will be subsidized until they get old and need expensive care. Obviously its cheaper and more cost effective to raise the minimum standard for every one to at least SLOW the rate of increase of costs, and that's already happening.

Why is it you wingers only know how to call names and throw rocks, and holler? That's no substitute for simple MATH. Its been proved that your claims have no basis in fact, and as the days move along people will see that for themselves, and look at you like you are crazy.

Hello again, Steve:

Absolutely, libs need to find another way to assuage their guilt than screw responsible people.So, the Republican plan to cover uninsured people is NONEXISTENT, huh? I think we already KNEW that.

excon

I love it when you wingers rail on the solutions others propose when you have no ideas of your own. .

That's just another line out of the playbook, you have no intention of ever even considering our ideas.

Hello again, Steve:
So, the Republican plan to cover uninsured people is NONEXISTENT, huh? I think we already KNEW that.

excon

See my last post.

TRY ME! Stop hollering and calling names and articulate your ideas.

That's just another line out of the playbook, you have no intention of ever even considering our ideas.

Mitt and Paul had an alternative, they lost. It was considered and rejected.

TRY ME! Stop hollering and calling names and articulate your ideas.

What was the last conservative idea you considered?

Hello again, Steve:

What was the last conservative idea you considered?I considered the right wing idea of letting people buy insurance across state lines...

But, then, I started wondering WHY some insurance companies only register in SOME states and not, say in MINE. After a bit of poking around, I found out that they COULDN'T register their product in MY state because MY state has an insurance commissioner who thinks his job is protecting the consumers of insurance, instead of protecting the purveyors of insurance...

Consequently, the policies offered in THOSE states wouldn't BE something that you, or ANYBODY should buy.

Therefore, having given GREAT consideration to a Republican idea, I soundly REJECT it, for the reasons stated.

excon

I guess your commish must be OK with the crap sandwiches (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/3568838-post1168.html) being offered now.


Adam Weldzius, a nurse practitioner, considers himself better informed than most when it comes to the inner workings of health insurance. But even he wasn’t prepared for the pocketbook hit he’ll face next year under President Barack Obama’s health care overhaul.

If the 33-year-old single father wants the same level of coverage next year as what he has now with the same insurer and the same network of doctors and hospitals, his monthly premium of 3 will more than double. If he wants to keep his monthly payments in check, the Carpentersville resident is looking at an annual deductible for himself and his 7-year-old daughter of ,700, a more than threefold increase from ,500 today.

“I believe everybody should be able to have health insurance, but at the same time, I’m being penalized. And for what?” said Weldzius, who is not offered insurance through his employer. “For someone who’s always had insurance, who’s always taken care of myself, now I have to change my plan?”

What was the last conservative idea you considered?

The idea of a mandate for buying health insurance first proposed by the Heritage Foundation.

How the Heritage Foundation, a Conservative Think Tank, Promoted the Individual Mandate - Forbes (http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2011/10/20/how-a-conservative-think-tank-invented-the-individual-mandate/)


Heritage did put forward the idea of an individual mandate, though it predated HillaryCare by several years. We know this because we were there: In 1988-90, we were employed at Heritage as a public relations associate (a junior writer and editor), and we wrote at least one press release for a publication touting Heritage’s plan for comprehensive legislation to provide universal “quality, affordable health care.”

You can run from the facts and deny this conservative idea, but it has been ruled constitutional by SCOTUS, with Obama fighting for YOUR guys idea.

Got more good ideas?

https://data.healthcare.gov/dataset/QHP-Individual-Medical-Landscape/ba45-xusy?utm_source=buffer&utm_campaign=Buffer&utm_content=bufferc0771&utm_medium=twitter
Above is the pre-subsidy pricing on all the plans available on the Obamacare web site. You are not supposed to know this info until after all your personal information is recorded and confirmed according to Francis Rose of Federal News Radio
https://twitter.com/FRoseDC

The idea of a mandate for buying health insurance first proposed by the Heritage Foundation.

How the Heritage Foundation, a Conservative Think Tank, Promoted the Individual Mandate - Forbes (http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2011/10/20/how-a-conservative-think-tank-invented-the-individual-mandate/)



You can run from the facts and deny this conservative idea, but it has been ruled constitutional by SCOTUS, with Obama fighting for YOUR guys idea.

Got more good ideas?

Yeah, get rid of liberalism. It's killing us.

Hello again, tom:

Yeah, the website's busted... What else is new?

Yaaaawn.

excon

https://data.healthcare.gov/dataset/QHP-Individual-Medical-Landscape/ba45-xusy?utm_source=buffer&utm_campaign=Buffer&utm_content=bufferc0771&utm_medium=twitter
Above is the pre-subsidy pricing on all the plans available on the Obamacare web site. You are not supposed to know this info until after all your personal information is recorded and confirmed according to Francis Rose of Federal News Radio
https://twitter.com/FRoseDC

Healthcare,gov is now misleading us on prices (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505269_162-57608843/healthcare.gov-feature-often-lists-wrong-prices-for-coverage/).


(CBS News) CBS News has uncovered a serious pricing problem with HealthCare.gov. It stems from the Obama administration's efforts to improve its health care website. A new online feature can dramatically underestimate the cost of insurance.

The administration announced it would provide a new "shop and browse" feature Sunday, but it's not giving consumers the real picture. In some cases, people could end up paying double of what they see on the website, CBS News' Jan Crawford reported Wednesday on "CBS This Morning."

As President Obama promises to fix HealthCare.gov, his administration is touting what it calls "improvements" in design, specifically a feature that allows you to "See Plans Now." White House press secretary Jay Carney has said, "Americans across the country can type in their zip code and shop and browse."


But CBS News has learned the new "shop and browse" feature often comes with the wrong price tags.

(Watch at left Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius' recent comments on the website's problems)
Industry analysts, such as Jonathan Wu, point to how the website lumps people only into two broad categories: "49 or under" and "50 or older."

Wu said it's "incredibly misleading for people that are trying to get a sense of what they're paying."

Prices for everyone in the 49-or-under group are based on what a 27-year-old would pay. In the 50-or-older group, prices are based on what a 50-year-old would pay.

CBS News ran the numbers for a 48-year-old in Charlotte, N.C., ineligible for subsidies. According to HealthCare.gov, she would pay 1 a month, but the actual plan on Blue Cross and Blue Shield of North Carolina's website costs 0, more than 50 percent higher. The difference: Blue Cross and Blue Shield requests your birthday before providing more accurate estimates.

The numbers for older Americans are even more striking. A 62-year-old in Charlotte looking for the same basic plan would get a price estimate on the government website of 4. The actual price is 4.

Hello again, tom:

Yeah, the website's busted... What else is new?

Yaaaawn.

excon

Thought you might be interested in price shopping the real prices.
Never mind .

Hello again, tom:

Thought you might be interested in price shopping the real prices.
Never mind .Nahhh.. I'll just wait till the website's fixed.

Yaaawnnnn.

excon

Have you noticed the glitches on this website (AMHD) that change dollar values to zero, and one?


she would pay 1 a month, but the actual plan on Blue Cross and Blue Shield of North Carolina's website costs 0, more than 50 percent higher

Should we shut it down as a failure as they have had almost 9 years to fix it. Some of the links don't work, and the spell checker is annoying. Administration is working on it but its been a week, and still ain't fixed. :(

Should we shut it down as a failure as they have had almost 9 years to fix it. Some of the links don't work, and the spell checker is annoying. Administration is working on it but its been a week, and still ain't fixed. :(
Yeah, the owner has even called in IT help, but no final fix yet. And he has posted he wants to roll out something new next year. I wonder if we will be able to handle all that -- or just be our usual patient selves?

The TParty better not find out. Patience is not their strong point. As to my post, my sarcasm font failed to engage.

Have you noticed the glitches on this website (AMHD) that change dollar values to zero, and one?



Should we shut it down as a failure as they have had almost 9 years to fix it. Some of the links don't work, and the spell checker is annoying. Administration is working on it but its been a week, and still ain't fixed. :(

I may not like some of the changes but I can still do what I want here with no trouble. It doesn't take me 4 1/2 hours, online chat and hours on the phone with no success.

I may not like some of the changes but I can still do what I want here with no trouble. It doesn't take me 4 1/2 hours, online chat and hours on the phone with no success.
I got onto the ACA site last night with no problem. Sounds like your computer is the problem.

It took me 25 minutes on line to navigate the system. You can try again later, or give up. Your choice.

My point is there is no quick fixes, or instant success. We muddle through and make adjustments. That's human.

Hello again, tom:
Nahhh.. I'll just wait till the website's fixed.

Yaaawnnnn.

excon

Bottom line is that it won't be fixed in time . People losing their coverage now because of Obamacare need to sign up by December 14 to be covered by insurance on Jan 1 . So a plan that was designed because apx 15 % of the population did not have coverage will most likely see a greater percentage without coverage on Jan. 1 . Good Job !

Have you noticed the glitches on this website (AMHD) that change dollar values to zero, and one?



Should we shut it down as a failure as they have had almost 9 years to fix it. Some of the links don't work, and the spell checker is annoying. Administration is working on it but its been a week, and still ain't fixed. :(

Now that's what I call a great endorsement for Obamacare... a Q&A site with many less participants has minor glitches that don't affect the lives of the people involved as opposed to the disastrous launching of a major web site designed to fundamentally change the relationship between individuals ,their health care providers ,and the government .
You crack me up. Then you say the gang that can't shoot straight should apply that same expertise to a singles payer government control socialized plan ? Pulleeeeze !

http://www.investors.com/image/RAMclr-102313-glitch-IBD-COLOR-FINALllllllllllllllllllll.gif.cms

Hello again, tom:

Bottom line is that it won't be fixed in time .What? You don't believe in surges? I thought you LIKED surges.

Oh.. Right... That was when the OTHER guy did 'em.

excon

I got onto the ACA site last night with no problem. Sounds like your computer is the problem.

I personally have no need to visit the site, but I I'm also not averse to the reality that it's not fixed and won't be for some time.

Tom - your cartoon is in bad taste in my opinion. It demeans the memories of the astronauts.

Hello again, Steve:

I'm also not averse to the reality that it's not fixed and won't be for some time.But, it IS "gonna" get fixed, ain't it?

Then "what're ya gonna" squeal about?

excon

PS> I put quotes around those words, NOT because I'm quoting anything - but to DEFEAT the program that wants to change the way I write.

Eventually it may get fixed, but that doesn't increase my confidence in the regime that screwed it up from the get go. Your devotion is inexplicable.

Tom - your cartoon is in bad taste in my opinion. It demeans the memories of the astronauts.

You know what's in bad taste ?
This
Thousands Of Consumers Get Insurance Cancellation Notices Due To Health Law Changes - Kaiser Health News (http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Stories/2013/October/21/cancellation-notices-health-insurance.aspx)
These buffoons are screwing with the lives and health of millions of Americans ,and they haven't got the slightest idea about what they are doing .

That issue and the one I referred to are not related. You chose to use that cartoon.

And I'd use it again regardless of what you think of it.

Suck it up and deal with it... that cartoon is NOTHING compared to the cartoons we were bombarded with when Bush was in office.

The liberals are the Kings of being tasteless in their demogogery.

And I'd use it again regardless of what you think of it.I guess I have a little more respect for the memories of the astronauts.

It doesn't demean the memory of the astronauts, it demonstrates the regime's aversion to acknowledging a monumental disaster.

We have different views I guess. That's no surprise. I guess in your world anything can be used as canon fodder.

I guess I have a little more respect for the memories of the astronauts.

You mean like when Obama ordered the caskets of fallen service members to be paraded around for photo ops by the antiwar lefties that voted for him?

Hello again, Steve:

Your devotion is inexplicable.Let's review, shall we? There's NO devotion in knowing the thing is "gonna" get fixed.

However, I'll cop to being devoted to supplying affordable health care to people who never had it before. I'm also not too torn about about the costs... They'll even out.. After all, it's only just being implemented.

But, if you ask me whether I like what the insurance companies are doing, I don't. I don't like 'em at all.

excon

You know what's in bad taste ?
This
Thousands Of Consumers Get Insurance Cancellation Notices Due To Health Law Changes - Kaiser Health News (http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Stories/2013/October/21/cancellation-notices-health-insurance.aspx)
These buffoons are screwing with the lives and health of millions of Americans ,and they haven't got the slightest idea about what they are doing .

Even the small percentage of the population that loses what they have will have options that work for them. If they choose to beech rather than see what those options are then that's their choice too. And the governor of your state and elected representatives. Indeed evidence shows that the states can make the government website a NON factor.

It's no coincidence that co operating already has yielded better results than those that don't.

Hello again, Steve:
Let's review, shall we? There's NO devotion in knowing the thing is "gonna" get fixed.

However, I'll cop to being devoted to supplying affordable health care to people who never had it before. I'm also not too torn about about the costs... They'll even out.. After all, it's only just being implemented.

But, if you ask me whether I like what the insurance companies are doing, I don't. I don't like 'em at all.

excon

The Ford Pinto couldn't be fixed. The Yugo couldn't be fixed...

Poverty hasn't been fixed yet through handouts after how many decades and generations? And after how much money was thrown away?

The 85% of the population liked what they had . So the whole system had to be broken to accommodate 15% (many of whom still don't want it and will pay a fine... ooops I mean tax instead ) . This is the type of fix we can expect from the left .

The 85% of the population liked what they had . So the whole system had to be broken to accommodate 15% (many of whom still don't want it and will pay a fine... ooops I mean tax instead ) . This is the type of fix we can expect from the left .

That and not even congress or the White house wants it... that says everything.

If it was so wonderful why did they go as far as exempting themselves from being subjected to it?

Hello again, tom:

This is the type of fix we can expect from the left .Nahhh.. The left wanted single payer. Rip, zap - SIMPLE. Obama tried to get Republicans to join him by leaving the insurance companies in the mix...

Bwa, ha ha ha ha ha... Crazy, huh? Bwa, ha ha ha ha.

excon

I guess I have a little more respect for the memories of the astronauts.

I have plenty of respect for the memory of the astronauts . They died because of the hubris of NASA . All the after incident investigations led to that conclusion. The same is true with the launch of this abomination call AHCA . It's the pure hubris of progressive rule , and the hubris of the emperor that led to the Obamacare disaster .The prevailing thought behind it is that if the people don’t like what the progressives offer, they will nevertheless have to learn to like it for their own good.
We know there won't be a quick fix ,and it would be fitting if the death spiral of this disastrous law would take him the rest of his term to address... except for the pain he's already causing on the population and the nation.

Hello again, Steve:
Let's review, shall we? There's NO devotion in knowing the thing is "gonna" get fixed.

However, I'll cop to being devoted to supplying affordable health care to people who never had it before. I'm also not too torn about about the costs... They'll even out.. After all, it's only just being implemented.

But, if you ask me whether I like what the insurance companies are doing, I don't. I don't like 'em at all.

excon

I refer to your devotion to trusting an incompetent regime to make it work. What have they done so far to gain such trust?

Hello again, tom:
Nahhh.. The left wanted single payer. Rip, zap - SIMPLE. Obama tried to get Republicans to join him by leaving the insurance companies in the mix...

Bwa, ha ha ha ha ha... Crazy, huh? Bwa, ha ha ha ha.

excon

They can't handle this interface. You think they can handle running the whole health care industry... Bwaaahaaahaa . Delusion !

They made requirements and regulations and should have required the Insurance companies to build and maintain the website.

He should have went with the left wingers and cut the middleman out from the get go.

Unbelievable! Even when the insurance companies have nothing to do with the issues related to the launch you still blame them. Incredible denial ! Show me any aspect of the government that they have run better .They have mucked up everything they've touched .

They made requirements and regulations and should have required the Insurance companies to build and maintain the website.

He should have went with the left wingers and cut the middleman out from the get go.

Really... which ones would do what part and which contributes how much since there are small companies and there are HUGE companies?

I really hope some prominent left wingers are the first to die because they have needed treatments refused... that previously would have been done without question.

But we know most of them already have illegal exemptions and illegal defferals by Obama.

Mike Lee: Man of the people actually isn't one (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2013/10/23/mike-lee-man-of-the-people-actually-isnt-one/)

Booman Tribune ~ A Progressive Community (http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2013/10/23/83736/969)

'Show horse' Lee facing GOP backlash in Utah (http://www.standard.net/stories/2013/10/23/showhorse-lee-facing-gop-backlash-utah)

He should have followed his daddy back to Texas.

Always quoting the DNC proaganda outlets...


Yes the Washington Post and New York Times are part of the DNC Propaganda apparatus.

THey were convinced Obama and the Dems had a mandate ......the 2010 elections proved that wrong.

THe polls that have Obama well withing the margin of error at exactly where Bush was the same time in his second term....

Hell...Obama doesn't even have the majority of the people that voted for him behind him on this. Ony the lunatic fringe of the lunatic fringe buy his cock and bull stories.

They made requirements and regulations and should have required the Insurance companies to build and maintain the website.

He should have went with the left wingers and cut the middleman out from the get go.

How is it possible that you and other diehards can't seem to find anyone to blame who actually has some responsibility for this fiasco?

I laid no blame, just gave my opinion of what I thought my president should have done. What are you even talking about?

You shifted blame away from those responsible in my opinion.

Blame? Its only been two/three weeks. I have said the ACA will work, even if the website ain't ready for prime time. Well in some places with or without any help from YOU guys.

Now if you want to switch subjects I am hardly alone in blaming YOU guys for shutting the government down over the ACA. Americans didn't like or appreciate that strategy. YOU Americans did, but WE didn't like it worth a damn. That's just a FACT!

In addition...

Obamacare Popularity Rises in Gallup Poll Despite Technical Difficulties With ACA Website (http://global.christianpost.com/news/obamacare-popularity-rises-in-gallup-poll-despite-technical-difficulties-with-aca-website-107305/)


45 percent of those polled in the mid-October survey stated they approved of the law compared to 50 percent who said they currently disapprove, according to the survey.

"This suggests that the poor performance of the health exchange sites may not at this point be negatively affecting Americans' views of the ACA overall," Gallup researchers said of the survey, which questioned people just days after the partial government shutdown ended.

In contrast back in August, 41 percent expressed support for the ACA while 49 percent did not. As expected, the results of the survey where decidedly spilt among Democrats and Republicans as well as exhibiting a generational divide among young and old.

Who should I blame for this small but significant rise in popularity?

About the source of this article.

Christian news, Christian Post (http://www.christianpost.com/aboutus/aboutus.html)

Blame? Its only been two/three weeks. I have said the ACA will work, even if the website ain't ready for prime time. Well in some places with or without any help from YOU guys.

Now if you want to switch subjects I am hardly alone in blaming YOU guys for shutting the government down over the ACA. Americans didn't like or appreciate that strategy. YOU Americans did, but WE didn't like it worth a damn. That's just a FACT!

In addition...

Obamacare Popularity Rises in Gallup Poll Despite Technical Difficulties With ACA Website (http://global.christianpost.com/news/obamacare-popularity-rises-in-gallup-poll-despite-technical-difficulties-with-aca-website-107305/)



Who should I blame for this small but significant rise in popularity?

About the source of this article.

Christian news, Christian Post (http://www.christianpost.com/aboutus/aboutus.html)

So what's affordable about a guy's premiums and deductibles doubling or tripling? And if it's so great why do they have to sell it? I may not like Obamacare, but I'll have to live with it. What I don't like and I've said it from the start is the way they went about it, we didn't want it, it was totally partisan and they've lied to us about it from day one. I don't appreciate the outright lies and total lack of transparency, do you? Why should we be happy about that?

So what's affordable about a guy's premiums and deductibles doubling or tripling?
Have yours?

Have yours?

I've answered that many times. I personally don't pay a premium (yet) but my wife does and it remains to be seen what will happen. Too many others have and that's a real issue for working people, and it would seem those who push this fiasco should show as much concern about those affected in this way as I have and would demand some transparency and accountability.

Too many others have
Who?

Who?

Read through the threads, I'm not doing the work again.

Read through the threads, I'm not doing the work again.
Oh, those spurious ones. Yeah, I remember.

If anyone got their premiums raised, that's the fault of the insurance companies, probably in the states where the governors refuse to allow Medicaid expansion.

Oh, those spurious ones. Yeah, I remember.

If anyone got their premiums raised, that's the fault of the insurance companies, probably in the states where the governors refuse to allow Medicaid expansion.

Spurious? Get real, I wasn't citing Freepers, one of them was your own Tribune (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/unaffordable-health-care-act-769112-34.html#post3570086).

Spurious? Get real, I wasn't citing Freepers, one of them was your own Tribune (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/unaffordable-health-care-act-769112-34.html#post3570086).
Tsk, tsk. Thought you weren't going to "share" again.

Sit tight. Things will all shake out. You will be happy again someday. Maybe Hillary will fix things.

If you thought Wall St was OOC, hang on it's going to be a bumpy ride in the Health Care Dept. The AHC is affordable for very low income persons and for those who don't get sick or need serious medical attention. Everyone else will find themselves heavily charged for dr appts, hospital care and for not purchasing overpriced health coverage. All those who have a plan from their employer will see the cost of those plans continue to go up without any added benefits. Why? Because the representatives in Washington don't have a clue what life is like for the one income working poor. I am a lifelong Democrat and I am sick of being over taxed under paid and forced to bear the burden of poorly designed bills passed by Congress. If our representatives had to use the services and follow the laws they pass, they would think twice before voting for bills like AHC.

Tsk, tsk. Thought you weren't going to "share" again.

Sit tight. Things will all shake out. You will be happy again someday. Maybe Hillary will fix things.

I said I'm not doing the work, searching for one isn't work.

P.S. as much as the left wishes we would sit down, shut up and trust this regime we refuse. What has the most transparent administration ever done to earn our trust? Also, is the author of this thread giving us a spurious account?

Oh, those spurious ones. Yeah, I remember.

If anyone got their premiums raised, that's the fault of the insurance companies, probably in the states where the governors refuse to allow Medicaid expansion.

Actually that isn't true at all. Many had it raised because of Obamacare and its mandates that are contained in it. And yes I have seen a rise in the plan my company provides and a rise to the direct out of pocket expenses that I will have to pay. There is a wake up call coming soon to many and they don't even realize that it is coming. Many States that have covered those that were denied are now going to kick those people off the State rolls and into the system. No longer will everything be free or close to it and the deductables are going to put many in financial ruin.

We already documented that most states premiums are higher compared to what was previously available before the exchanges. And all those young invincibles ? Well the ones that can are staying on their parent's plans .The ones that aren't are going to get subsidies on the exchanges ,or will pay the nominal fine (ooops I mean tax) .
I see the unavoidable death spiral in our future.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_spiral_(insurance)

Amazing how the forecasters of gloom and doom didn't see this coming 30 years ago and do something about it then.

Amazing how the forecasters of gloom and doom didn't see this coming 30 years ago and do something about it then.
The Goracle forgot to mention it when he was inventing the internet and global warming.

The Goracle forgot to mention it when he was inventing the internet and global warming.

He didn't invent global warming, Maggie Thatcher did, but he should have seen this coming a classic J curve if ever we saw one, as a result all the ice in North America will melt, Oh! Sorry, that has already happened, Oh, I know, the conveyor will shut down and we will have another ice age. It's all about the hot air in North America really, it is rising leave the continent to freeze. Well, this is a good a theory as any...

The Goracle forgot to mention it when he was inventing the internet and global warming.Why do people keep repeating this myth?

Inventing the Internet - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnFJ8cHAlco)

Funny how computer professionals can be so clueless about things, and the claims their own people have made for a very long time, like AL Gores... funny how many people believed him just because he said so... 1 minute on Google would have proven otherwise.

I was playing comuter games across the internet (true they were text based D&D type games at the time (forget the exact name) and this was on Digital Equipment Corporation VAX computers. I also got my first email account in 1981. Over 15 years before most people ever heard of the Internet. And many, many years after it was already in use. Despite Al Goes claims to have invented it when he would have been 11 if he had in fact had any part of it.

And as far as thje planet warming....odd how its doing that during a decade when planetary average mean tempratures have been falling.

That was for the funding for Arpanet.

Yesterday I kept hearing the term 'septic ' code by IT people speaking about the Obamacare web site failure/ Not quite sure all that it means ,but it appears that the assumption that there is an easy fix is a rosey scenario.


The client contracts with the manufacturer to develop and install a system. The project starts. The completion date slips. It keeps slipping. Each time the adjusted delivery date approaches, the project slips yet again. At some point, one of three things happens: the manufacturer/vendor abandons the project; the client cancels the project; or the manufacturer delivers a system that the client terms wholly inadequate and unacceptable. In some cases, the effort has gone on for years, with millions of dollars spent and little to show for it.

http://brucefwebster.com/BFWA-SystemsFailure.pdf


The comments and leaks coming out from a hundred sources make it pretty clear that this project was going to face a disastrous launch, particularly with the insistence on an October 1 go-live date. Furthermore, it is also becoming clear that the problems with the architecture, design, implementation and testing of Healthcare.gov are so fundamental and deep that the current system many never work satisfactorily — that it may, in fact, be infected with “septic” code, design, etc. I believe this was known by many inside the project, and yet it went live on October 1st anyway — truly wishful, or if you will, magic, thinking.

Magic thinking is, of course, a very common phenomenon of the Left, for all their claims of being more “rational” and “scientific” and “objective” than the Right. You can see it in their beliefs that the passage of Obamacare and their own good intentions and righteous cause would somehow negate the laws of economics, psychology, biology, medicine, and unintended consequences. What is happening with Healthcare.gov is that same magic thinking phenomenon in a very public, mechanistic, and immediately testable environment. Even the media is losing its ability and desire to cover for the spectacular failure going on.
Obamacare, IT, and magic thinking : And Still I Persist… (http://andstillipersist.com/2013/10/obamacare-it-and-magic-thinking/)
FUBAR

That was for the funding for Arpanet.

That was all in place and in use long before Al Gore knew what was different between boys and girls.

Funny how computer professionals can be so clueless about things, and the claims their own people have made for a very long time, like AL Gores... funny how many people believed him just because he said so... 1 minute on Google would have proven otherwise.

I was playing comuter games across the internet (true they were text based D&D type games at the time (forget the exact name) and this was on Digital Equipment Corporation VAX computers. I also got my first email account in 1981. Over 15 years before most people ever heard of the Internet. And many, many years after it was already in use. Despite Al Goes claims to have invented it when he would have been 11 if he had in fact had any part of it.

And as far as thje planet warming....odd how its doing that during a decade when planetary average mean tempratures have been falling.

There are many myths, Smoothy, and some of us have been involved in technology longer than we care to remember. I brought the first micro computers into this country, I was remotely accessing computers in the 1980's and Mr Gore can kiss my... well no he can't actually. If he invented anything it is the myth of the J curve

There are many myths, Smoothy, and some of us have been involved in technology longer than we care to remember. I brought the first micro computers into this country, I was remotely accessing computers in the 1980's and Mr Gore can kiss my... well no he can't actually. If he invented anything it is the myth of the J curve

I learned programing in in college 1980, on a Comadore CBM (part of my Electronic Engineering Degree)... I bought my first computer in 1981... a Ohio Scientific Superboard (about the time the very first IBM PC was released, which ran on basica in rom, not MS/DOS yet)... in the mid 1980's I was on the very small team that invented and got the IEEE 802.3 standard established for Ethernet. I also worked for a stretch on Government PDP/11 and VAX 11/785 mini-mainframes back in the day before they became museum pieces. So my background goes further back than some...not as far as others.

Never worked with CP/M for example...but did with VMS and every flavor and variety of Microsoft operating systems...(except Windows 8.1 I haven't messed with yet.)

How many people here have messed around with or even knoew about WIndows 286? It was the predecessor of Windows 3.0.

Yep..messed around with OS/2 for a while as well as GEM.....before they fell by the wayside.

Hello again,

My d**k is bigger than yours. Bill Gates and I are friends.

excon

Hello again,

My d**k is bigger than yours. Bill Gates and I are friends.

excon

Good for you... ask him for some money... he's got lots more than he needs.

I could use a boxfull of it too while you are at it.

Hello again,

My d**k is bigger than yours. Bill Gates and I are friends.

excon

Well Ex I never doubted that, in your dreams of course.

Where have I heard this before?


In a press briefing where reporters asked about no other topic, Pelosi acknowledged that the problems dogging users trying to enroll in insurance plans on the HealthCare.gov website are "beyond glitches." But the trouble, she quickly added, "does not take away from the fact that we're on a path" toward installing the many benefits under the law.

"The situation right now is unacceptable; it's unfortunate," she said at a news conference in the Capitol. "But we did not work very hard and … dedicate our public service to a website. It was to an initiative for affordable, quality healthcare for all Americans.

"Just fix it, so we can go forward," she added. "Fix the technology, and let's not get too bogged down in what happens if they're not able to fix it."


Read more: Pelosi on ObamaCare: 'Just fix it' (Video) - The Hill's Video (http://thehill.com/video/in-the-news/330145-pelosi-on-obamacare-woes-just-fix-it#ixzz2ieC7yE6o)
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This is beyond surreal now.

If what I'm hearing is true then it may not be fixable without a complete overhaul .
Ask Me Help Desk - View Single Post - Unaffordable Health Care Act (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/3574550-post609.html)

If what I'm hearing is true then it may not be fixable without a complete overhaul .
Ask Me Help Desk - View Single Post - Unaffordable Health Care Act (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/3574550-post609.html)

Yup. $400 million down the drain and we're just supposed to cross our fingers and hope for the best.

Hello again, Steve:

Yup. $400 million down the drain and we're just supposed to cross our fingers and hope for the best.Yup. $24 BILLION is what the Republican shutdown of government cost us. The Dems are pikers compared to YOU.

excon

Hello again, Steve:
Yup. BILLION is what the Republican shutdown of government cost us. The Dems are pikers compared to YOU.

excon

So why didn't Dems come to the table and talk?

Hello again, Steve:

So why didn't Dems come to the table and talk?Why should they when they WON by NOT talking? The right wing invitation to negotiate was a TRAP that Obama and Reid didn't fall into.

So, you fringe type wrong wingers CLOSED down the government and cost us taxpayers $24 BILLION DOLLARS. I know you have an aversion to the truth, but I don't. That's what happened, and you know it.

excon

Hello again, Steve:
Yup. BILLION is what the Republican shutdown of government cost us. The Dems are pikers compared to YOU.

excon

And yet today we hear the Dems speak of delaying the individual mandate . Ummm... when did we hear that before ?

So why didn't Dems come to the table and talk?

There was nothing to talk about, you shut the government down over BS, you open it back up. What's to talk about?

Hello again, Steve:
Why should they when they WON by NOT talking?

Good to know it was all about your side winning.

And yet another "spurious" story.

Health Care Law Fails to Lower Prices for Rural Areas (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/24/business/health-law-fails-to-keep-prices-low-in-rural-areas.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&smid=tw-nytimes&_r=0)

Hello again, Steve:

Good to know it was all about your side winning.What? Your side didn't want to win? You guys are all patriotic and wonderful, and only wanted what's good for the country? Bwa, ha ha ha ha...

You are either demonstrating an UNBELIEVABLE degree of naievete, or you're lying.. Furthermore, WHY would you think I'd BUY that crap?

excon

Hello again, Steve:
What? Your side didn't want to win? You guys are all patriotic and wonderful, and only wanted what's good for the country? Bwa, ha ha ha ha...

You are either demonstrating an UNBELIEVABLE degree of naievete, or you're lying.. Furthermore, WHY would you think I'd BUY that crap?

excon

All I have to say to that is "hope and change."

The White House has now officially delayed the deadline for signing up for health insurance by six weeks.

Gee, didn't the emperor just force a 16 day government shutdown when some Republicans suggested he delay the mandate?

Note that this is only the first delay. Before they are done I predict they will do exactly what those terrorist Republicans suggested: delay the mandate for one year. Which will essentially prove that the Republicans were right in the first place.

Hello again, Steve:
What? Your side didn't want to win? You guys are all patriotic and wonderful, and only wanted what's good for the country? Bwa, ha ha ha ha...

You are either demonstrating an UNBELIEVABLE degree of naievete, or you're lying.. Furthermore, WHY would you think I'd BUY that crap?

excon

Any rational thinking person can say the same about anyone who is exhibiting such fanatical devotion to Obamacare when all they know about it is the propaganda pushed down our throats by the very same people that exempted themselves from ever having to have it themselves.


At least we have facts on our side... not a religious devotion to a pathological liar who never worked an honest job in his life... yet has somehow ammassed over 90 million dollars in personal wealth in the last five years while on the government payrol that pays a tiny fraction of that.

Which will essentially prove that the Republicans were right in the first place.
Wow! Sounds like the Republicans really know what they are talking about. Guess they'll be taking over by 2016.

yet has somehow ammassed over 90 million dollars in personal wealth in the last five years while on the government payrol that pays a tiny fraction of that.
He wrote a few bestsellers along the way.

He wrote a few bestsellers along the way.

Exactly WHAT books has he written in the last 5 years? How about the last 20? Care to present any evidence there were enough of those sold to account for 90 million dollars in royalties? he would only see a small fraction of the selling price.

Not even Steven King has managed to pull that one off... and OWEbamas couple books are only a best seller among the lunatic left.

The U.S. individual health insurance market currently totals about 19 million people. Because the Obama administration's regulations on grandfathering existing plans were so stringent about 85% of those, 16 million, are not grandfathered and must comply with Obamacare at their next renewal. The rules are very complex. For example, if you had an individual plan in March of 2010 when the law was passed and you only increased the deductible from ,000 to ,500 in the years since, your plan has lost its grandfather status and it will no longer be available to you when it would have renewed in 2014.

These 16 million people are now receiving letters from their carriers saying they are losing their current coverage and must re-enroll in order to avoid a break in coverage and comply with the new health law's benefit mandates––the vast majority by January 1. Most of these will be seeing some pretty big rate increases.
But unless they live in Washington state, Nevada, Colorado, and Kentucky, they can't now get on an exchange site to see their plan options, new prices, and provider directories so they can make an informed decision before they lose their coverage
Health Care Policy and Marketplace Review: Week Two of the Obamacare Federal Health Insurance Exchange Rollout––No Improvement (http://healthpolicyandmarket.blogspot.com/2013/10/week-two-of-obamacare-federal-health.html#more)

Exactly WHAT books has he written in the last 5 years? Care to present any evidence there were enough of those sold to account for 90 million dollars in royalties?

Not even Steven King has managed to pull that one off... and OWEbamas couple books are only a best seller among the lunatic left.
Where do you get $90M? Wikipedia says, "As per his 2012 financial disclosure, Obama may be worth as much as $10 million." Forbes say $6M (http://www.forbes.com/sites/erincarlyle/2012/05/16/obamas-worth-nearly-6-million-see-why-hes-down-since-last-year/).

I made a pretty penny on the four books I wrote and got traditionally published, and I'm nobody. Obama's were also made into e-books and were translated into foreign languages and are still being purchased. Many public libraries in the U.S. have copies of them. (I'll check WorldCat, if you wish.)

As for legitimate work, he taught at the University of Chicago Law School for twelve years—as a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996, and as a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004 (constitutional law). In 1993, he joined Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland (civil rights litigation and neighborhood economic development) as an associate for three years from 1993 to 1996, then as counsel from 1996 to 2004.

I made a pretty penny on the four books I wrote and got traditionally published, and I'm nobody. Obama's were also made into e-books and were translated into foreign languages and are still being purchased. Many public libraries in the U.S. have copies of them. (I'll check WorldCat, if you wish.)

As for legitimate work, he taught at the University of Chicago Law School for twelve years—as a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996, and as a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004 (constitutional law). In 1993, he joined Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland (civil rights litigation and neighborhood economic development) as an associate for three years from 1993 to 1996, then as counsel from 1996 to 2004.

Funny how those are the claims... but nobody seems to ever remember him ever doing any of that. Except the unpaid community organizer stuff. (meaning there are no unsealed public records that back any of this up)

Even even if he had....the 90 million dollars that fell out of the sky the last five years he didn't have even after all the years of doing that.
So you have in effect proven nothing.

His income over the last 5 years has been $400,000 a year.
that accounts for $2,000,000 of that 90 million in the last 5 years.

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/thepresidentandcabinet/a/presidentialpay.htm

Did his fairy godmother bring him the rest...or was it George SOros?

Incidently, he authored only THREE books....

The Audacity of Hope


Dreams from My Father


Of Thee I Sing

Since these sell for an average of $6.00 and even a good roaly rate of 10% he'd have to sell a book to have the planets population...yet almost nobodyu I know ever bought one.....and the few I know who read them got pirated copies of the internet he gets ZERO royalties from.

Since these sell for an average of .00 and even a good roaly rate of 10% he'd have to sell a book to have the planets population...yet almost nobodyu I know ever bought one.....and the few I know who read them got pirated copies of the internet he gets ZERO royalties from.
I went to WorldCat to see how many copies of all formats are owned worldwide, but got tired of copying down totals. (You can go to a public library and ask a librarian to show you.) There are millions of books of his in many formats (hardcover, paperback, large print, CD, e-book, in Spanish, in other languages, etc.) just in public libraries, and that doesn't count personal purchases. The average cost for a new hardcover book is around $30. CDs can be that or even more, paperbacks less. The library I worked at has at least 10 copies of various titles, and the library director is a Republican serving a Republican community.

I went to WorldCat to see how many copies of all formats are owned worldwide, but got tired of copying down totals. (You can go to a public library and ask a librarian to show you.) There are millions of books of his in many formats (hardcover, paperback, large print, CD, e-book, in Spanish, in other languages, etc.) just in public libraries, and that doesn't count personal purchases. The average cost for a new hardcover book is around . CDs can be that or even more, paperbacks less. The library I worked at has at least 10 copies of various titles, and the library director is a Republican serving a Republican community.

Most books are sold on Amazon these days or other online outlets at far below bookstore prices as most book stores are out of business... and his books were on sale for like $5.99 at Amazon.

Paperback royalties are as a low as 1% and as high as 10%. Hardcovers averaged around 10% and those are based on the sellig price. Being he was a young pompous unknown blohard when he wrote them and any contracts were signed...they would have likely been on the low end of the range.

Most books are sold on Amazon these days
When his books were new titles and werd hot, they garnered at least $30 a pop (hardcover). The Washington Times says, "The president earned between $1 million and $5 million in royalties in 2010 from the book, Dreams from My Father, according to a financial disclosure form released by the White House Monday.

He also pulled in between $100,000 and $1,000,000 from Audacity of Hope.”

Where did you get the $90M figure?

When his books were new titles and were hot, they garnered at least a pop (hardcover). The Washington Times says, "The president earned between million and million in royalties in 2010 from the book, Dreams from My Father, according to a financial disclosure form released by the White House Monday.

He also pulled in between $100,000 and $1,000,000 from Audacity of Hope.”

Where did you get the $90M figure?

You really don't want to know where he pulled that from.

HINT: Its where all his facts come from.

Here's an inconvenient truth. There are 15million Americans who purchase their insurance in the private market. Many of them have already been informed that their plans are being eliminated because they don't comply with the pile on of coverages that the Dems ,the emperor ,and HHS has written into the mandates. When offered alternatives at all ,the plans are cost prohibitive with premiums double or triple their current rates. Even if they manage to gain access to the tax subsidies offered in the ObamaCare exchanges, many will pay far more for insurance.
(remember the big lie... "if you like your plan you can keep it")
As of now ,those millions of formerly insured Americans will not be insured Jan.1 .
The Slimes is reporting that people in rural areas are being hit especially hard . Not because there are no state exchanges.. these are plans being offered in the Federal exchange.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/24/business/health-law-fails-to-keep-prices-low-in-rural-areas.html?_r=0


While competition is intense in many populous regions, rural areas and small towns have far fewer carriers offering plans in the law's online exchanges. Those places, many of them poor, are being asked to choose from some of the highest-priced plans in the 34 states where the federal government is running the health insurance marketplaces, a review by The New York Times has found.

Of the roughly 2,500 counties served by the federal exchanges, more than half, or 58 percent, have plans offered by just one or two insurance carriers, according to an analysis by The Times of county-level data provided by the Department of Health and Human Services. In about 530 counties, only a single insurer is participating.

The analysis suggests that the ambitions of the Affordable Care Act to increase competition have unfolded unevenly, at least in the early going, and have not addressed many of the factors that contribute to high prices. Insurance companies are reluctant to enter challenging new markets, experts say, because medical costs are high, dominant insurers are difficult to unseat, and powerful hospital systems resist efforts to lower rates.

Hello again, tom:

Here's an inconvenient truth. There are 15million Americans who purchase their insurance in the private market. Yeah.. It was a MISTAKE to include insurance companies... OF COURSE, they're raping people.. That's what they do.

Single payer is looking better than ever. You agree, don't you?

excon

Nope . Competition by purchasing across state lines would've been the solution. Not having the nanny state deciding ridiculous minimum coverage would've been the solution . Making insurance portable would've been a solution. There are many better answers than no option government run industry .

This 'aint' the insurance company's fault . It's the madated coverage in the law that is cause this woman and many others to have LESS choice .


"I was completely happy with the insurance I had before," Willes said.


So she was surprised when she tried to renew her policy. What did she find out?


"That my insurance was going to be completely different, and they were going to be replaced with 10 new plans that were going to fall under the regulations of the Affordable Care Act," she said.


Her insurer, Kaiser Permanente, is terminating policies for 160,000 people in California and presenting them with new plans that comply with the healthcare law.


"Before I had a plan that I had a $1,500 deductible," she said. "I paid $199 dollars a month. The most similar plan that I would have available to me would be $278 a month. My deductible would be $6,500 dollars, and all of my care after that point would only be covered 70 percent."
Arrival of Obamacare forcing insurers to drop customers with low coverage - CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57609224/arrival-of-obamacare-forcing-insurers-to-drop-customers-with-low-coverage/)
(And that 'aint' FOX reporting it)

Hello again, tom:

Competition by purchasing across state lines would've been the solution.I'm glad we're "gonna" discuss that..

First off, can you tell me WHY insurance companies that offer these CHEAP plans you speak of, DON'T register in MY state to sell them? Particularly, WHICH states do they register in, and WHY do they do that?

excon

Hello again, tom:
I'm glad we're "gonna" discuss that..

First off, can you tell me WHY insurance companies that offer these CHEAP plans you speak of, DON'T register in MY state to sell them? Particularly, WHICH states do they register in, and WHY do they do that?

excon

Of course the new rates are affected by Obamacare mandates . I've already documented where my state's premiums were artificially high before Obamacare because of state mandates like community rating and the state minimum coverage requirements that were introduced under Mario Cuomo's reign . There were many states where rates were cheaper.
The prices for individual coverage ranged, from a high of $437 in Massachusetts (where Romneycare individual mandates failed to reduce prices ) ,to a low of $136 in Alabama.
Allowing buying across state lines would have increased competition amongst the insurance companies... and that would've reduced coverage costs across the country.

"You're paying more for a better product and for more protection -- and you won't understand the value of that until you need it," he said.


But many can't get past the sticker shock.

Obviously she has never used her insurance, so maybe she just liked the low price and sticker shock is understandable but everybody will pay the same thing no matter what. Its telling that all those people who thought they were happy are finding out that the coverage they had in the first place is inadequate if they had to use it.

We are actually seeing how many people the insurance companies have been gouging for years. They are saying most of the new customers have been thrown off insurance before, and couldn't get any more because they had health issues, but clearly its obvious we are all seeing what the true cost of health care is really all about.

We have all been paying too much for an inferior product and for those who had NO insurance. And you dare to holler we should be happy with what we have without looking?

No excuse we have been so dumb for decades. And your solution is to keep being dumb!

Obviously she has never used her insurance, so maybe she just liked the low price and sticker shock is understandable but everybody will pay the same thing no matter what. Its telling that all those people who thought they were happy are finding out that the coverage they had in the first place is inadequate if they had to use it.

We are actually seeing how many people the insurance companies have been gouging for years. They are saying most of the new customers have been thrown off insurance before, and couldn't get any more because they had health issues, but clearly its obvious we are all seeing what the true cost of health care is really all about.

We have all been paying too much for an inferior product and for those who had NO insurance. And you dare to holler we should be happy with what we have without looking?

No excuse we have been so dumb for decades. And your solution is to keep being dumb!

Explain that to the people who are now getting their premiums doubles and tripled . Prepare to duck

Hello again, tom:
I'm glad we're "gonna" discuss that..

First off, can you tell me WHY insurance companies that offer these CHEAP plans you speak of, DON'T register in MY state to sell them? Particularly, WHICH states do they register in, and WHY do they do that?

excon

We've already read that answer, and if you're referring to junk plans I'd agree they shouldn't be allowed. But as I pointed out (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/3568838-post1168.html) we now have government mandated junk plans that cost more. A $12,700 deductible for 2 people is still a back breaker, why aren't you throwing a fit about that?

No excuse we have been so dumb for decades. And your solution is to keep being dumb!

LOL, what tom said. You apparently think we have stupid stamped on our foreheads.

When his books were new titles and werd hot, they garnered at least $30 a pop (hardcover). The Washington Times says, "The president earned between $1 million and $5 million in royalties in 2010 from the book, Dreams from My Father, according to a financial disclosure form released by the White House Monday.

He also pulled in between $100,000 and $1,000,000 from Audacity of Hope.”

Where did you get the $90M figure?

Current estimates of his current assets from sources the Messiah hasn't managed to keep secret from even Snowden.

You lefties need to stop thinking Owebama was voted "king". He was NOT given a "mandate" from the citizens. The citizens voted for divided government, you liberal Dems LOST the House-which controls spending, because of obamacare.
Liberals-Reid/Obama CLOSED the government by-for the first time in history,refusing to negotiate over the budget/debt.

The Tea Party tried to get a delay-now many Dems are doing the same thing,for the individual mandate (just like the administration has done for business and over 1200 of its supporters),the Tea Party was right,Obamacare is disaster !

Those that can't "Keep your insurance if you like it" now far outnumber those that have enrolled !

http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/24/health...rollment-rates/

Hundreds of thousands of Americans who purchase their own health insurance have received cancellation notices since August because the plans do not meet Obamacare's requirements.

The number of cancellation notices greatly exceed the number of Obamacare enrollees.

Insurance carrier Florida Blue sent out 300,000 cancellation notices, or 80 percent of the entire state's individual coverage policies, Kaiser Health News reports. California's Kaiser Permanente canceled 160,000 plans — half of its insurance plans in the state — while Blue Shield of California sent 119,000 notices in mid-September alone.

More bad news from CBS (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505267_162-57609254/medicaid-enrollment-spike-a-threat-to-obamacare-structure/):


CBS News has confirmed that in Washington, of the more than 35,000 people newly enrolled, 87 percent signed up for Medicaid. In Kentucky, out of 26,000 new enrollments, 82 percent are in Medicaid. And in New York, of 37,000 enrollments, Medicaid accounts for 64 percent. And there are similar stories across the country in nearly half of the states that run their own exchanges.

Medicaid experts say they're not sure why they're seeing the lopsided enrollment numbers, but point out it's easier to enroll in Medicaid than private insurance.

An administration spokeswoman says coverage provided by the new law offers "a range of options so consumers can pick a plan that best meets their needs ... and their budget."

But Gail Wilensky, a former Medicaid director, said the numbers are causing concern in the insurance industry, which needs healthy adults to buy private insurance in large numbers for the system to work.

"Either the private insurance enrollments come up somewhere around the expected amount or there's going to be a problem. ... You need a volume and you need a mix of people that are healthy as well as high users in private insurance, in order to have it be sustainable," she said.

The Obama administration says they expected these high enrollment numbers in Medicaid because the law expands the number of low-income people who can get Medicaid, CBS News' Jan Crawford reported on "CBS This Morning." Supporters say this shows demand. But industry sources say that if we do not see some real turnaround soon, there could be big problems for the entire system.

Of course if they had a website that worked I'm sure oodles of young, healthy people would be eager to sign up.

Speaking of glitchapalooza, someone finally got fired for it.

Obamacare Operator Fired After Taking Call From Hannity; Hannity To Give Her A Year's Salary (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/10/24/obamacare_operator_fired_after_taking_call_from_ha nnity_hannity_to_give_her_a_years_salary.html)

No surprise there, this regime never holds anyone accountable for screwing things up, they always throw people under the bus for being honest and making them look bad.

As of yesterday only 34 people have signed up in Mississippi.

Why are you mad about people finding out that their insurance doesn't meet a minimum standard? You should be mad about the fact that the price is different in every state even if its from the same company.

As of yesterday only 34 people have signed up in Mississippi.

No Medicaid expansion may be a reason despite a large population of poor people in a poor state. All the southern states are having there own issues mainly because they have not gotten on board like the blue states.

Winger states.

Why are you mad about people finding out that their insurance doesn't meet a minimum standard? You should be mad about the fact that the price is different in every state even if its from the same company.

That's rather Orwellian spin, we're not stupid (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/3575081-post643.html) Tal.


"Before I had a plan that I had a $1,500 deductible," she said. "I paid $199 dollars a month. The most similar plan that I would have available to me would be $278 a month. My deductible would be $6,500 dollars, and all of my care after that point would only be covered 70 percent."

Which plan would YOU want, and why the heck don't you get people are pi$$ed off that they liked their insurance, were promised over and over they could keep their insurance and now they have to pay through the nose for a crap sandwich?

And no access to the internet, no transportation to a public library, etc. So, these people are going to be held accountable for something that they could not avoid?

Who's definition of a minimum standard ?You guys even managed to throw in mandates that violate religious liberty .

You wingers don't site those reasons when you demand voter ID's, but the old fashion phone calls and talking to a representative is also an option.

You know old fashion paper and pencil and people. More jobs right?

You wingers don't site those reasons when you demand voter ID's, but the old fashion phone calls and talking to a representative is also an option.

You know old fashion paper and pencil and people. More jobs right?

I'm having great difficulty believing you even buy your own spin any more.

Who's definition of a minimum standard ?You guys even managed to throw in mandates that violate religious liberty .

A church that violates a workers rights because of religious beliefs? A church has a right to get between a doctor and patient?

Single payer solves that problem. On board yet?

No Medicaid expansion may be a reason despite a large population of poor people in a poor state. All the southern states are having there own issues mainly because they have not gotten on board like the blue states.

Winger states.

Medicaid was breaking the bank of NY before the expansion .And that wasn't just NY . Nationally Medicaid spending has been the second largest component in state budgets (20.7%)... exceeded only slightly by K-12 education (20.9%).Some states Medicaid spending is already off the board. 39% in Ohio, 27% in Massachusetts, 25% in Michigan, Rhode Island and Pennsylvania. Again with the theme of the stupid label... you think the national government giving temporary fund transfers to the states to seduce them into the expansion is a good plan. MOST governors see through the Obamacaid scam.

A church that violates a workers rights because of religious beliefs? A church has a right to get between a doctor and patient?

It would be a waste of time to rehash the many objections to this constitutional violation by the state .

Medicaid was breaking the bank of NY before the expansion .And that wasn't just NY . Nationally Medicaid spending has been the second largest component in state budgets (20.7%)... exceeded only slightly by K-12 education (20.9%).Some states Medicaid spending is already off the board. 39% in Ohio, 27% in Massachusetts, 25% in Michigan, Rhode Island and Pennsylvania. Again with the theme of the stupid label... you think the national government giving temporary fund transfers to the states to seduce them into the expansion is a good plan. MOST governors see through the Obamacaid scam.

You mean the winger governors? Say it because those are the governors who see through getting help for their poor constituents, and easing state budgets for more things.

LOL 21 governors is NOT MOST. And in time they will learn to count. And who said the expansion of Medicaid is temporary?

You mean the winger governors? Say it because those are the governors who see through getting help for their poor constituents, and easing state budgets for more things.

LOL 21 governors is NOT MOST. And in time they will learn to count. And who said the expansion of Medicaid is temporary?

Not the expansion of Medicaid... the Federal Govt subsidy to the states for expansion is temporary .Then we'll see which governors regret the choice they made.

Well of course it follows the less poor people who need it the less money you spend on it.

Nope ,it's a classic bait and switch . Get the Governors to set up the expanded coverage in their state and then pull the rug out of funding . The Federal government seduces states with that window dressing scam all the time. All it really is ,is a huge and costly expansion of a failed government health insurance system . Then any future reform of the program in the state has to be filtered and approved by the Federal Government . Yet the federal funds will dry up shortly after implimentation(Jan 2017)... and the state will be taken to task for any reductions attempted to save their state budgets.

So even under your bait and switch theory the states have 4 years to find some money. How is that bad if they are broke already?

Because it's a trap they can't get out of . I've seen that often when local governments get grants from states and Feds to do some infrastructure project suggested to them from state and national governments . The funding drys up long before the projects complete and the local governments end up footing the rest through bonding that they eventually have to pay back . It sets them back for years . Some never recover.
I saw Chris Christie abandon a tunnel project because without the Fed money it was cost prohibitive . Eventually all the costs are filtered back to the taxpayer . You have to stop thinking in terms of government freebees . They don't exist.

Yeah most projects are beset by over runs and obstacles, like the F-22. Humans aren't the best planners and costs on EVERYTHING has been going up. Or haven't you noticed?

But doing nothing gains what exactly?

Sure... keep throwing money at something nobody wants... and in effect doesn't work at all that is already many times its orginial contract price overbudget.

Maybe by the time there is no money left it will still be broke.


If they hired the best and brightest... why did they do a no bid contract with a foreign company in the first place?

I'm betting they did it to hide the fact they link it in with a database of registered Democrat voters to give them a special discount... and links to another database of registered Republicans to jack up their rates.

An American company would have programers with access to the code that would catch them pulling their usual tricks.

Which they have a track record for doing to punish anyone who doesn't lick the dog crap off Owebamas shoes on command.

Expanding a failed program is not spending other people's money well.

Obamacare Operator Fired for Talking to Hannity on Radio (http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/obamacare-operator-fired-sean-hannity/2013/10/24/id/532978?ns_mail_uid=37003908&ns_mail_job=1543175_10252013&promo_code=154AC-1)

Typical Owebama thug tactics... why should ANYONE trust or believe an administration where retaliation like this happens every day.



Obamacare Operator Fired for Talking to Hannity on Radio




Thursday, 24 Oct 2013 07:03 PM

By Cathy Burke

An Obamacare operator was fired after she blurted out that no one liked the new health insurance program during a live interview with conservative radio host Sean Hannity, it was reported Thursday.

"'We can't have this type of stuff going on here, so we have to release you,'" Erling Davis of Panama City, Fla. quoted one human resources official telling her the morning after her Monday interview with Hannity, according to Real Clear Politics, which posted a partial transcript.

“They said that no contact with the media. No type of media whatsoever. We're not allowed to do that at that company.”

But Davis told Hannity she'd never heard that directive during her training for the job, which started Sept. 23.

“I did not hear anything about that,” she said. “There were so many of us in a big group, you can only talk so loud.”

Still, Davis said she felt bad about the exchange with Hannity afterward.

“I'm just out here tryin' to help everybody,” she said, according to the transcript. “[S]ome people are like, 'Oh, you knew you shouldn't have said that!' And I'm just like, OK … I kind of felt bad about it. My gosh, I got fired.”

Hannity – who offered to pick up her $26,000 annual salary and help her find a new job – praised Davis for her calm under fire during the initial live interview.

“I was really impressed, and I said that to you on Monday,” he said. “You are patient, you are kind, you answered all our questions. You were totally honest... It's not your fault I called.”

Hannity then apologized for the entire situation and told her, “I don't want you to have to pay a price just for taking our call … So I want to help you out here,” The Blaze reported.

After talking to his accountant, Hannity discovered he can “legally gift” Davis a tax-free sum — $13,000 for her and $13,000 for one of her kids. The gift covers what would have been her full-time annual salary.

“I want to try and get you a new job,” Hannity continued. “I'm sure you want to get back to a normal routine.”

On Monday, Hannity dialed a toll-free number for Obamacare signups live on his show, and asked Davis if she'd spoken with anyone who liked the new health insurance program.

“Um, not really,” she replied, as Hannity chortled.

She also told Hannity that though she'd gotten three weeks of training for her operator job, she “couldn't really do anything” for one of the training weeks — and advised Hannity he wouldn't be able to sign up for a health insurance exchange for 42 hours because the website was down.

Who else got fired? How do you know people get fired everyday? You're lucky you don't get fired for goofing off on the internet when you're at work. See if Hannity gives true winger like yourself a job.

Who else got fired? How do you know people get fired everyday? You're lucky you don't get fired for goofing off on the internet when you're at work. See if Hannity gives true winger like yourself a job.

Open your eyes TAL... its obvious WHY she got fired... particularly if you had actually listened to the liberal ranting her supervisor was going off about that you could hear while on that call. Yes I did hear that call live. I wanted to go kick that arrogant SOB supervisors behind for what did come across over the air... and you can imagine what didn't.

https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/s851x315/1394110_10151782081898752_359885431_n.png

Good one Tom!

Call centerfor Obamacare. The Hannity call:

Sean Hannity Calls Obamacare Hotline, Grills Operator and Makes Awkward Small Talk with Her - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aF9LxlmJTU)

https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/s851x315/1394110_10151782081898752_359885431_n.png

Now that should be THE obamacare ad.

Hello smoothy:

Obamacare Operator Fired for Talking to Hannity on Radio

An Obamacare operator was fired after she blurted out that no one liked the new health insurance program during a live interview with conservative radio host Sean Hannity, it was reported Thursday.You get most things wrong, and this is no different. She got fired for her editorial comments..

How come you don't understand stuff?

excon

Hello smoothy:
You get most things wrong, and this is no different. She got fired for her editorial comments..

How come you don't understand stuff?

excon

So you aren't a fan of the first amendment. My mail carrier makes editorial comments all the time, should I rat him out?

White House Thrilled With Record Number Of People Who Thought They Signed Up For Healthcare | Video | The Onion - America's Finest News Source (http://www.theonion.com/video/white-house-thrilled-with-record-number-of-people,34343/)

Hello again, Steve:

So you aren't a fan of the first amendment.Well, there ya go... That's the trouble with you right wingers.. You don't understand the Constitution of this fair land.

Telemarketers in the workplace DON'T have First Amendment rights. In fact, NOBODY in the workplace has 'em. If your boss doesn't like what you say, or the color of your shirt, he can FIRE you. How do you not know that??? Do you think you have 1st Amendment rights HERE on this website??? You probably DO think that.

Bwa, ha ha ha ha.

excon

So you believe peons have to surrender their rights as a condition of public employment. Odd how fluid your view of the constitution has become.

Go tell the boss you have rights and let me know how that works out for ya. He doesn't care about your rights. Its his company, and he can fire you if you don't do as you are directed to do.

You may not like it, but that's the way it is. What are you going to do if you hate unions, or there is no union to beetch too?

Go tell the boss you have rights and let me know how that works out for ya. He doesn't care about your rights. Its his company, and he can fire you if you don't do as you are directed to do.

You may not like it, but that's the way it is. What are you going to do if you hate unions, or there is no union to beetch too?

I don't pretend that I have unfettered rights working for a private company. The right to be a total a$$ is reserved for unions, tenured teachers and Democrat politicians. Public employees work for the people. Regardless, firing this lady was a mean, petty thing to do and you know it. Your side used to be on her side.

Funny how the tables have turned and you're perfectly willing to throw her under the bus but not the people responsible for putting her in that awkward position. Must be more of that famous liberal compassion.

Hello again, Steve:

So you believe peons have to surrender their rights Lemme explain the law.. You CAN'T surrender a right you DON'T have. The freedom we enjoy is against the government stifling our speech - NOT your boss.

Whether you're a peon or a CEO, you don't have a right to free speech at work.. Limbaugh doesn't. I don't. You don't. NOBODY does.

This isn't difficult... But, it's becoming clearer and CLEARER that you wingers haven't a CLUE about your own country..

excon

Funny how the tables have turned and you're perfectly willing to throw her under the bus
When she was told the call was being aired, she should have hung up after saying "Not interested."

I don't pretend that I have unfettered rights working for a private company. The right to be a total a$$ is reserved for unions, tenured teachers and Democrat politicians. Public employees work for the people. Regardless, firing this lady was a mean, petty thing to do and you know it. Your side used to be on her side.

Funny how the tables have turned and you're perfectly willing to throw her under the bus but not the people responsible for putting her in that awkward position. Must be more of that famous liberal compassion.

Can we call a truce to the rock throwing today and just stick with the facts?

I really don't have enough facts to do anything but say Hannity's conduct cost a person their job. I have no clue as to why her boss fired her, or what the instructions she violated were, but firing a new person for any damn thing is all too prevalent in all businesses and governments and reflect a total lack of tolerance by bosses and the relationship with their "peon" employees.

It may border on mistreatment, or may just be her boss covering her own a$$. I don't know.

When she was told the call was being aired, she should have hung up after saying "Not interested."

I would have turned to a supervisor and said its for you. That's how I would have covered my own a$$.

That's the rule CYA.

I would have turned to a supervisor and said its for you. That's how I would have covered my own a$$.

That's the rule CYA.
Good move. My supers (local government, Libraryland) would tell us to hand over any irate or weird or demanding or questionable patron to them.

Hello smoothy:
You get most things wrong, and this is no different. She got fired for her editorial comments..

How come you don't understand stuff?

excon

And apparently you got another one wrong... was you listening to the call that day? I highly doubt it... I in fact was... and I heard EVERYTHING she said... and she didn't say anything she didn't have the right to say. But I guess she was a slave and didn't have first amendment rights... she was in the USA, Florida to be precise... and not Mumbai India.

Hello again, smoothy:

But I guess she was a slave and didn't have first amendment rights... In so many words, you're right.. In fact, I'll bet if you were answering somebody on the legal boards who got fired for speaking their mind, you'd tell them that they have NO 1st Amendment rights at work. And, you'd be right.

I'm not gonna go through my legal treatise here, but look a page back and see the discussion Steve and I had.

By the way, IF you're gonna answer questions on the legal board, you SHOULD familiarize yourself with the law, doncha think?

excon

Hello again, smoothy:
In so many words, you're right.. In fact, I'll bet if you were answering somebody on the legal boards who got fired for speaking their mind, you'd tell them that they have NO 1st Amendment rights at work. And, you'd be right.

I'm not gonna go through my legal treatise here, but look a page back and see the discussion Steve and I had.

By the way, IF you're gonna answer questions on the legal board, you SHOULD familiarize yourself with the law, doncha think?

excon
Its obvious you never even heard the call that was being talked about did you? And what she actually said... and wasn't saying? But you still intend on arguing about it anyway.

Incidentally...when did you pass the BAR anyway?

Hello again, smoothy:

Its obvious you never even heard the call that was being talked about did you? And what she actually said... and wasn't saying?In this great country of ours, absent a contract, the employee/employer relationship is "at will". That's a legal term meaning that your employer can fire you for ANY reason, or NO reason at all.

Therefore, if they simply didn't like that she talked to Hannity, or if they didn't like the color of her hair, they have the RIGHT to fire her. If you DIDN'T know that, I'd stay OFF the legal boards. The flower boards could use some help.

excon

PS> Thanks. I DO know law better than most lawyers.

Yes that right an employer can fire anyone for any reason or no reason at all. I did not know of the specifics until today. Evidently the call center company hired by the Obots fired the girl for violating a policy that they had not told her about... perfectly within their right , But you know and I know that sucks anyway.

Hello again, tom:

I wasn't asked about the fairness of it. But, she DID offer her opinion, which was clearly AGAINST the interest of her employer. I don't think there's anything unfair about firing an employee like that... I DEMAND adherence to MY rules in MY workplace. As a right winger, you can understand that.

excon

As your employee I would fully follow all the rules you actually told me about . But if I broke a rule that I had no idea existed ,and was fired because of the infraction ,I would feel wronged by such harsh and unfair treatment . You would too .

As your employee I would fully follow all the rules you actually told me about . But if I broke a rule that I had no idea existed ,and was fired because of the infraction ,I would feel wronged by such harsh and unfair treatment . You would too .
I betcha she knew deep in her heart of hearts as she was talking with Hannity that she was slamming her boss and company. If she didn't, she was an immature, brainless idiot.

Maybe... the relevant question is did she know talking to him was against policy ?

Maybe... the relevant question is did she know talking to him was against policy ?
The library I worked at for 25 years had all sorts of policies the employees didn't know about. (And the policies keep changing and getting updated.) Yeah, the employees were told about them at hiring, but who remembers? Even if the policies are noted in a pretty little booklet, who reads that and keeps it around?

Do you know all your company's policies as pertains to its employees?

And isn't it common sense? You don't badmouth your employer to a third party who also happens to be a stranger (and is on the air no less).

I'm curious if ANYONE that's defending that employer... actually heard the entire conversation that aired?

Because I've heard it....and every person I've ever worked with at any job I've ever had in the last 30+ years has said far worse things about their employer....or boss or whatever.....and not one of them was ever fired for it.

Michelle Obama's Princeton classmate was Obamacare website builder | The Daily Caller (http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/25/michelle-obamas-princeton-classmate-is-executive-at-company-that-built-obamacare-website/)


Michelle Obama’s Princeton classmate is executive at company that built Obamacare website






First Lady Michelle Obama’s Princeton classmate is a top executive at the company that earned the contract to build the failed Obamacare website.

Toni Townes-Whitley, Princeton class of ’85, is senior vice president at CGI Federal, which earned the no-bid contract to build the $678 million Obamacare enrollment website at Healthcare.gov. CGI Federal is the U.S. arm of a Canadian company.

Townes-Whitley and her Princeton classmate Michelle Obama are both members of the Association of Black Princeton Alumni.

Toni Townes ’85 is a onetime policy analyst with the General Accounting Office and previously served in the Peace Corps in Gabon, West Africa. Her decision to return to work, as an African-American woman, after six years of raising kids was applauded by a Princeton alumni publication in 1998

George Schindler, the president for U.S. and Canada of the Canadian-based CGI Group, CGI Federal’s parent company, became an Obama 2012 campaign donor after his company gained the Obamacare website contract.

As reported by the Washington Examiner in early October, the Department of Health and Human Services reviewed only CGI’s bid for the Obamacare account. CGI was one of 16 companies qualified under the Bush administration to provide certain tech services to the federal government. A senior vice president for the company testified this week before The House Committee on Energy and Commerce that four companies submitted bids, but did not name those companies or explain why only CGI’s bid was considered.

On the government end, construction of the disastrous Healthcare.gov website was overseen by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS), a division of longtime failed website-builder Kathleen Sebelius’ Department of Health and Human Services.

Update: The Daily Caller repeatedly contacted CGI Federal for comment. After publication of this article, the company responded that there would be “nothing coming out of CGI for the record or otherwise today.” The company did however insist that The Daily Caller include a reference to vice president Cheryl Campbell’s House testimony. This has been included as a courtesy to the company.

Because I've heard it....and every person I've ever worked with at any job I've ever had in the last 30+ years has said far worse things about their employer....or boss or whatever.....and not one of them was ever fired for it.
Public comments that millions heard?

Public comments that millions heard?

It was broadcast live... Everyone that was listening to his show that afternoon heard every word of it. So his entire audience heard it... I was one of them, so was my wife. (we were driving home from work).

It was broadcast live... Everyone that was listening to his show that afternoon heard every word of it. So his entire audience heard it... I was one of them, so was my wife. (we were driving home from work).
But not everyone gets their negative comments about their company or boss broadcast live on the radio. You had said, "...every person I've ever worked with at any job I've ever had in the last 30+ years has said far worse things about their employer....or boss or whatever.....and not one of them was ever fired for it."

But not everyone gets their negative comments about their company or boss broadcast live on the radio. You had said, "...every person I've ever worked with at any job I've ever had in the last 30+ years has said far worse things about their employer....or boss or whatever.....and not one of them was ever fired for it."

Did you hear what these so called "negative comments" actually were? And the context they were made?

Because I didn't hear her bashing anyone when she spoke.

Because I didn't hear her bashing anyone when she spoke.
Her comments were positive for the AC and the computer program?

Did you hear what these so called "negative comments" actually were? And the context they were made?

Because I didn't hear her bashing anyone when she spoke.

Frequently comments by many people are taken out of context, however whether you are being specifically critical or making remarks that can be taken as critical, it is better not to big note yourself and yield to media traps. If you are not authorised to be a spokesperson you should keep your thoughts to yourself

Her comments were positive for the AC and the computer program?

That call center wasn't the DNC... she's got legal grounds for a serious lawsuit if she was fired for her political affiliation.

And appropriately enough... it was a sweatshop (not paying a "living wage") pawning a ponzi scheme nobody wants... very typical of liberals...

Nothing she said was anything like its being made out to be... obviously since like most other things... those people weren't there and didn't here it themselves....they are talking and ranting about something they don't have any of the facts about.

In a nutshell what she said was the people she's been talking to weren't very happy about Obama-care...

But we all know the ACLU would have jumped to her defense if she made a comment supporting ,... say for arguments sake, baby murder (abortion)

Frequently comments by many people are taken out of context, however whether you are being specifically critical or making remarks that can be taken as critical, it is better not to big note yourself and yield to media traps. If you are not authorised to be a spokesperson you should keep your thoughts to yourself

Well, we know you didn't hear it because I don't believe that show is broadcast in your part of the world. And its unlikely you would have been listening to the streaming version of it (assuming its not blocked outside the USA.)

Because she wasn't doing that in any way shape or form.

Well, we know you didn't hear it because I don't believe that show is broadcast in your part of the world. And its unlikely you would have been listening to the streaming version of it (assuming its not blocked outside the USA.)

Because she wasn't doing that in any way shape or form.

I read the transcript, you have to ask, why was she in that situation

Well, we know you didn't hear it because I don't believe that show is broadcast in your part of the world. And its unlikely you would have been listening to the streaming version of it (assuming its not blocked outside the USA.)

Because she wasn't doing that in any way shape or form.

Yes she was, I heard it live and she was being interviewed and interrogated and prompted by Hannity to get responses which she did instead of notifying her supervisor immediately. She knew she had no authority to even comment on things outside her area of expertise and should hve thought about it before she allowed herself to even be in this position. No doubt even you would have more sense than that.

That was an unprofessional thing to do. Don't try to spin it in her defense just because you hate liberals and always take the negative view.

Yes she was, I heard it live and she was being interviewed and interrogated and prompted by Hannity to get responses which she did instead of notifying her supervisor immediately. She knew she had no authority to even comment on things outside her area of expertise and should hve thought about it before she allowed herself to even be in this position. No doubt even you would have more sense than that.

That was an unprofessional thing to do. Don't try to spin it in her defense just because you hate liberals and always take the negative view.

Well Tal her firing might have been a bit arbitrary, considering she was very low in the organisation, surely she could have been reassigned

She knew she had no authority to even comment lol I love the left's sense of fairness . The truth is that she had no instructions to not speak to the press. Her bosses must've known that there was a possibility that the press would try to contact given that the emperor had that very day made a very public promo about the 800 # being a viable alternative to the web site .

This is my guess... had Rachel Madcow or anyone else in the MSDNC called and put her on live ,she'd still be working there today.

Why would the left even see a reason to grill a call center worker? They would have asked Kathleen Sebelius to appear on their show. See the difference? Of course you don't Hannity was pulling a stunt. And he didn't quit when he was told the website was down.

Why would the left even see a reason to grill a call center worker? They would have asked Kathleen Sebelius to appear on their show. See the difference? Of course you don't Hannity was pulling a stunt. And he didn't quit when he was told the website was down.

We see these sorts of stunts all the time from shock jocks, it is the way they make their day

Shock jock. An interesting term for Hannity because he is not a serious journalist.

He never claimed to be a journalist... unlike some of the' gate keepers of the truth ' on NBC ,CBS,CNN ,ABC et al. On both TV and radio he is an advocate for a view point . He makes no attempt to hide his position under the banner of objective journalism. He's also not very entertaining... but that is a different issue than the one at hand... that they fired the women for violating policy they did not tell her about . My opinion is that they were being petty because no one dare question the emperor.
It's an attitude you see. The same attitude that would make Sebelius think she works exclusively for the emperor as opposed for the American people . The same attitude that makes her think it's OK to ignore a request to testify before Congress. The moment a public servant tells you they do not work for you is the moment they cross the line from public servant to ruler.

lol I love the left's sense of fairness . The truth is that she had no instructions to not speak to the press. Her bosses must've known that there was a possibility that the press would try to contact given that the emperor had that very day made a very public promo about the 800 # being a viable alternative to the web site .

This is my guess... had Rachel Madcow or anyone else in the MSDNC called and put her on live ,she'd still be working there today.

Right, their sense of fairness, compassion and tolerance is entirely agenda driven. If it doesn't fit the agenda too bad for you.

Hello again,

Yeah, Sebillius is in for a rough ride with Issa. Of course, we KNOW he's not an investigator. He just wants to make political points, and it's gonna be a circus.. Of course, I'll be watching...

Meanwhile, the website WILL be fixed, and you'll have nothing to squeal about anymore. Yaaaaawwn!!

The GOOD news is that 30 million people who've NEVER had health insurance are gonna GET it. You wingers LIKE insurance, don't you?? You UNDERSTAND why you have it, don't you? Why would you deny others the security of having, what you yourself enjoy???

Doncha think that's rather SELFISH of you? I do.

excon

Me too

The GOOD news is that 30 million people who've NEVER had health insurance are gonna GET it. excon

Maybe ,but so far it looks like millions are being kicked off the insurance they formerly had ;even though the emperor insisted that if you like your plan you can keep it.

Maybe ,but so far it looks like millions are being kicked off the insurance they formerly had ;even though the emperor insisted that if you like your plan you can keep it.
So far so good at my house.

Oh, and Medicare and, much more recently, Medicare D were a disaster at first too, but everyone loved them once they got straightened out.

Hello again, tom:

it looks like millions are being kicked off the insurance they formerly had ;even though the emperor insisted that if you like your plan you can keep it.What's happening, is that Obamacare REQUIRES a certain level of coverage that existing policies don't cover.. Given that the requirements are GOOD for the consumer and NOT especially good for the companies, they're BETTER off buying their health care through the exchanges. It's BOUND to be better insurance at LESS cost.

You'll never hear that from FOX News.

excon

Hello again, tom:
What's happening, is that Obamacare REQUIRES a certain level of coverage that existing policies don't cover.. Given that the requirements are GOOD for the consumer and NOT especially good for the companies, they're BETTER off buying their health care through the exchanges. It's BOUND to be better insurance at LESS cost.

You'll never hear that from FOX News.

excon

Because it aint true . People actually had the coverage they wanted . Adding needless coverage is not better coverage . Also they are being forced to purchase insurance at higher costs . They exchanges are going to implode because the only people signing up on the exchanges are Medicaid eligible so the cost death spiral will bring down the insurance companies... which of course was the whole not so secret agenda of the plan.

Hello again, tom:

which of course was the whole not so secret agenda of the plan.So, you think Obama built FAILURE into his plan, because, of course, the country WOULD let him try again...

Bwa, ha ha ha ha ha.. Snicker, snicker...

excon

Hello again, tom:
What's happening, is that Obamacare REQUIRES a certain level of coverage that existing policies don't cover.. Given that the requirements are GOOD for the consumer and NOT especially good for the companies, they're BETTER off buying their health care through the exchanges. It's BOUND to be better insurance at LESS cost.

You'll never hear that from FOX News.

excon

Actuallt its not going to be better nor at less cost. That is already shown to be proven fact. Those that are getting kicked off of State rolls are going to have high deductables and copays that they never had before. Many will lay destitute because they can't afford the coverage that they are going to get. Not due to premium costs but the cost of the policy requirements.

A 40/60 plan is not what I would call the panacea that your calling it after many of these people have been getting mostly free care.

Mostly free care? What is that? What kind of care did they get that was mostly free?

many of these people have been getting mostly free care.
What free care?

Mostly free care? What is that? What kind of care did they get that was mostly free?

Some odd thinking here, there is no free care under an insurance plan, what it is is prepaid care

Mostly free care? What is that? What kind of care did they get that was mostly free?

Doctors vists and hospital visits were paid for but there was a drug copay of very little like $5. That is about the only thing some paid for in some states.

Doctors vists and hospital visits were paid for but there was a drug copay of very little like $5. That is about the only thing some paid for in some states.
And what paid the rest of the costs?

And what paid the rest of the costs?

The State medical insurance program.

The State medical insurance program.
Your and my tax dollars. Medicaid.

Don't shoot me, I'm just posting more 'spurious' reports.



Some health insurance gets pricier as Obamacare rolls out - latimes.com (http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-health-sticker-shock-20131027,0,2756077.story?page=1&sc=7859703240972132157#axzz2iwhWLCTT)

“This is when the actual sticker shock comes into play for people,” said Gerald Kominski, director of the UCLA Center for Health Policy Research. “There are winners and losers under the Affordable Care Act.”

Fullerton resident Jennifer Harris thought she had a great deal, paying $98 a month for an individual plan through Health Net Inc.She got a rude surprise this month when the company said it would cancel her policy at the end of this year. Her current plan does not conform with the new federal rules, which require more generous levels of coverage.

Now Harris, a self-employed lawyer, must shop for replacement insurance. The cheapest plan she has found will cost her $238 a month. She and her husband don’t qualify for federal premium subsidies because they earn too much money, about $80,000 a year combined.

“It doesn’t seem right to make the middle class pay so much more in order to give health insurance to everybody else,” said Harris, who is three months pregnant. “This increase is simply not affordable.”

Except if the overriding goal of the Obots is wealth redistribution. Then it makes perfect sense.

Except if the overriding goal of the Obots is wealth redistribution. Then it makes perfect sense.

That's what taxation is for Tom

They should redustribute their own wealth.

That's what taxation is for Tom

Besides the taxing power enumerated in the Constitution ,that is correct.

The trouble with these anecdotes and stories is we never find out why their old cheap policies don't meet the requirements of the new laws. It's one thing to balk at a higher rate, but not knowing what they like besides the cheap price is important in any judgment of the new law.

Nobody else is curious what kind of coverages those cheap insurances have? If we don't know then its about sticker shock and NOT services. You cannot compare what they had to what they will get without that huge tidbit of information that's mysteriously never divulged.

The trouble with these anecdotes and stories is we never find out why their old cheap policies don't meet the requirements of the new laws. It's one thing to balk at a higher rate, but not knowing what they like besides the cheap price is important in any judgment of the new law.

Nobody else is curious what kind of coverages those cheap insurances have? If we don't know then its about sticker shock and NOT services. You cannot compare what they had to what they will get without that huge tidbit of information that's mysteriously never divulged.

No, the trouble is they liked their insurance, they could afford their insurance, were promised they could keep their insurance, and Obama had forced them to lose their insurance and buy something they didn't want and can't afford.

it's what the customer wanted... it's called 'choice' .

Hello again, tom:

it's what the customer wanted... it's called 'choice' .I don't have a choice whether I want to buy car insurance.. As a right winger, I'm SURE you support my decision to cancel my polity.

excon

Hello again, tom:
I don't have a choice whether I want to buy car insurance.. As a right winger, I'm SURE you support my decision to cancel my polity.

excon

You have a choice to drive or not, this is just another way you lefties punish us for existing.

No, the trouble is they liked their insurance, they could afford their insurance, were promised they could keep their insurance, and Obama had forced them to lose their insurance and buy something they didn't want and can't afford.

My question was what did they like besides the price? Just curious as to what coverages they get for their cheap insurance. Aren't you?

I mean you can like the price, but never know what you are paying for. Conversely you can hate the price, but need the coverage.


it's what the customer wanted... it's called 'choice' .

Ever hear of you get what you pay for? So educate me and tell me what do you get from cheap insurance besides a cut rate price? I will note the unhappy lawyers in the last anecdote are pregnant and should expect extra costs in not just insurance but in many other areas of costs, like diapers formulae and baby doctors.

That's not wealth redistribution by government. it's the cost of the joy of a life changing event and a choice they made to start a family. It's what they wanted.

Hello again, tom:
I don't have a choice whether I want to buy car insurance.. As a right winger, I'm SURE you support my decision to cancel my polity.

excon

You have a choice about owning a car... also the insurance for autos is to cover damage you do to others . The comprehensive insurance for yourself is voluntary and you do have a choice of the coverage you desire.

My question was what did they like besides the price? Just curious as to what coverages they get for their cheap insurance. Aren't you?

I mean you can like the price, but never know what you are paying for. Conversely you can hate the price, but need the coverage.



Ever hear of you get what you pay for? So educate me and tell me what do you get from cheap insurance besides a cut rate price? I will note the unhappy lawyers in the last anecdote are pregnant and should expect extra costs in not just insurance but in many other areas of costs, like diapers formulae and baby doctors.

That's not wealth redistribution by government. it's the cost of the joy of a life changing event and a choice they made to start a family. It's what they wanted.

There's lots of BS in the new mandated coverage that I don't want .

Hello again, wingers:

You have a choice to drive or not,So, if I don't wanna drive, I don't HAVE to buy insurance... Got it.

But, I DON'T have a choice about living. Therefore, given your argument, that means I SHOULD be REQUIRED to buy insurance??? Yes??? No???? I can't figure you guys out.

excon

Hello again, wingers:
So, if I don't wanna drive, I don't HAVE to buy insurance... Got it.

But, I DON'T have a choice about living. Therefore, given your argument, that means I SHOULD be REQUIRED to buy insurance??? Yes??? No???? I can't figure you guys out.

excon

Again ,the mandatory insurance for autos if for damage you do to someone else's property or person. The insurance for personal coverage is completely a matter of choice.