Alarm! Alarm! This time it is the World Bank touting climate disaster

World Bank fears 4-degree warmer planet - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-11-19/world-bank-issues-global-warming-warning/4379634)

It seems every time someone wants to talk climate, AGW, etc we have the alarmists shouting disaster. We know why it is the World Bank, it is because other sources such as the UN Committee have demonstrated an ability to get it wrong.

Yes, something must be done, but reality check, it doesn't matter what we do, the targets set are not going to be reached, particularly while the chief emitters do little and even if they do more, temperature rise is going to happen because at the bottom of all of this is population, or over population to be precise. We worry about CO2 and yet fugative methane emissions from fracking undo whatever is achieved. The business of adjustment, of renewables is flawed

I don't think there will be a rise anything like a 4 deg. Temperature rise this century. The summers, on average will probably be cooler and by the same token the winters will be warmer. In other words, I am putting forward a theory season degradation.

Hey, I no climate scientist, but what do you think?

Tut

Tut I agree with you these predictions are alarmist, our temperatures here, predicted to rise in fact are stable, or even cooler than a decade ago. We keep hearing of these places where temperatures have risen but are they isolated. I doubt the veracity of many of these predictions which are based on computer modeling not observation. There is no doubt seasons are changing, and oceans warming in eastern Australia but temperature is not higher

temperature rise is going to happen because at the bottom of all of this is population, or over population to be precise

Climate Change happens . What makes you think human activity has anything to do with it at all. This weeks solar flare will have more of an impact than a generation of humans.

Hey, I no climate scientist, but what do you think?


Climate Scientist have no greater insight than you do. For what it's worth... I think warming is the natural state of the planet and the ice age the exception ;caused by natural disasters like asteroid hits and/or volcanic eruptions. I think we are still retreating from the last ice age.

Tom emissions are driving some part of climate change, I accept that that might be so, 25% due to human activity and increasing. What I don't accept is that anything short of suspending human activity will make any difference at all. I agree with you about the ice ages, they are a cycle we know little about, excepting that they might be due to asteroids or volcanic activity and there may be sufficient variability in the solar cycle to have great effect.

With the Earth in serious economic distress I see no point in adding pressure points to make things worse. Why I say population is a problem is that this whole thing has only become a problem since our population doubled in the twentieth century and as we are headed to another doubling we have to become realistic about the use of the resources of this planet and the impacts it might have

By now you will have realised that a new threat looms, the permafrost, hitherto ignored, will undo all the plans to hold temperature rise to 2 degrees C. As has been said before even if we stop all human activity today, the tipping point has already been reached, and there is nothing we can do to stop CO2 doubling and temperature continuing to rise, or is there. One option becomes apparent and it is within our grasp, the return of the Ice Age, which could be accomplished by using available nuclear weapons to create a nuclear winter. This would, of course, encase the Northern Hemisphere in ice, but, some sacrifices have to be made, OR, we could just plant large forests in the thoring permafrost to absorb the CO2

I've planted 13 trees on my property, I'm doing my part. Besides, it's not permafrost or anything like that, it's those rich Staten Islanders that dared to have a generator that are the problem (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/22/opinion/kristof-a-failed-experiment.html?_r=0).

Damn Americans, if they'd just send their kids to failed public schools, hang out in vagrant and drug-infested public parks and libraries and suck it up when the power goes out during a hurricane we could save the world.

Hello flat earthers:


Climate Scientist have no greater insight than you do.

Snicker, snicker...

Excon

Speech, while I love a good rant, we need the rich, we need them to plant the trees, after all they have more space on their property for trees than most of us do. We need them to pay the taxes the rest of us can't afford, and above all we need their leadership. Where would we be if not for the rich and their polluting industries, we would still be living in caves and cooking our food on fires. Wait a minute, isn't that what we are actually doing, admittedly, we built the caves, and the fires burn gas not wood.

Hello flat earther

I have found some conflicting statistics I just don't understand. It has been stated that ice sheet loss from Antartica and Greenland has contributed an 11 mm, i.e. half an inch, rise in sea levels a year, but sea levels have only risen 3 mm a year. Where has all the water gone? Even if I have it wrong and it was 11mm rise since whenever, where did the extra water come from?


Further to this, apparently at the current rate of ice sheet loss, it will take 7,000 to 10,000 years for these regions to become ice free. This should give us ample time to mitigate and move away from areas that might flood. Once again I just don't get the panic associated with AGW. If we stop all emissions, the atmosphere will continue to heat and the ice continue to melt, the only thing that can save us is a nuclear winter. If all this whoha is about trying to save Venice or Tuvalu, the boat has sailed and we are up the creek without a paddle, unless of course, these people can learn from the Dutch

Face it people, nothing stays the same

How does one measure half an inch of sea rise?

I expect they have instruments at sea level which record the average sea level or you could just make marks on a sea wall at low tide on the same day of the year. Remember greater minds than yours or mine are working on this very problem and they work in very small incruments. You could ask the people of Tuvalu why their front yards are flooded and what happened to that beach

Hello again, Steve:


How does one measure half an inch of sea rise?The same way they measure gravity - SCIENCE.

Excon

No Ex that's séance, we only know gravity exists because an apple dropped on the head of that great spiritualist Newton

That's novel, a spiritual scientist.

I expect they have instruments at sea level which record the average sea level or you could just make marks on a sea wall at low tide on the same day of the year. Remember greater minds than yours or mine are working on this very problem and they work in very small incruments. You could ask the people of Tuvalu why their front yards are flooded and what happened to that beach

So is the ocean rising or is Tuvalu sinking? You know all of this is variable, the sea rises in some areas and falls in others. Land sometimes rises and sometimes sinks and you can't ignore the effects of weather patterns such as El Niño and La Niña. Islands come, islands go. Climate change happens.

Climate change happens.Hello Flat Earther:

Excon

Around here we are sinking in red ink.

Hello again, tom:


around here we are sinking in red ink.Well, taxing the poor ain't going to fix it.

Excon

Hello Flat Earther:

excon

Nope, I've seen the pictures of earth from space. But if you're referring to the terrain where I live you would be right.

Love those mountains

We don't have any above ground mountains here, but we have a gorgeous canyon a few miles south.

http://palodurocanyon.com/images/hoodoo3.jpg

Spectacular

Speaking of the Talkfest in Qatar, it was announced there that "The amount of heat-trapping pollution the world spewed rose again last year by 3 percent (http://www.sfgate.com/news/science/article/Carbon-pollution-up-to-2-million-pounds-a-second-4085086.php#ixzz2E7r2CTEC)."

In spite of this emissions in the U.S. were down 2%, thanks largely to... hydraulic fracturing (http://www.freeenterprise.com/energy-environment/despite-benefits-hydraulic-fracturing-continues-be-target-federal-regulators).

Cheaper, cleaner, abundant, emissions lowering fuel which doesn't kill bald eagles or ruin a good view of Cape Cod in the process. What's not to love?

Fracking is destroying the environment as much as burning coal. It releases fugative methane emissions as well as poisoning the water table. Methane is many times more a problem than CO2 and is serious atmospheric pollution. You have traded emissions you can track for those you can't, a nice piece of slight of hand, and in any case you are cheating because China is now producing the pollution for you

What was achieved, NOTHING! Kyoto was extended but with some nations pulling out what is the point, and the greatest polluters of all were never part of it anyway

Here is an interesting summary
What Did Doha Do? » Counterpunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names (http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/12/14/what-did-doha-do/)


Meanwhile in Dubai , they did lay out the blueprint for a UN takeover of the internet.

Well of course they do, the UN is one world government after all, the goal of US presidents