Surely by now you've seen the Obama Super Pac ad (http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/08/priorities-ad-ties-romney-to-lost-health-insurance-131276.html) where the guy links Romney to his wife's death from stage IV cancer because Romney once headed Bain, which bought his employer and it eventually shut down and he lost his insurance.

It matters not that she actually did have her primary insurance from her job and she got sick and died something like 6 years after the guy lost his job after turning down their offer of a buyout.

The Obama campaign denies any knowledge of the man (http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/08/team-obama-says-they-dont-story-of-man-who-stars-of-131462.html). Obama Campaign Spokesperson Jen Psaki claimed, “we don’t have any knowledge of the story of the family” even though they featured him in their own ads - twice - and hosted a conference call with him.

Bill Burton of the Pac that ran the ad was on the new shows today amazingly enough denying they're trying to connect Romney to the steelworker's wife.

Even the usually Obama-compliant media isn't buying it (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a29n38-kauc&feature=player_embedded).


COOPER: You claim — you really claim — you really want people to believe you’re not trying to link in any way even just subtly or not subtly that there’s some linkage between Mitt Romney, Bain campaign, business decisions he made and her death.

BURTON: It would defy logic to do so. Today that community is completely worn down. The whole area, the factory is abandoned. People still don’t have jobs in some cases. Many folks still don’t have health insurance. People who do have jobs are being paid much less. And the point is that Mitt Romney’s business experience had a profound effect on the lives of thousands of people. That effect is still being felt, and that’s what this ad tells the story of. That’s what all our ads tell the story of.

COOPER: I don’t want to go back and forth on this, but this ad tells a specific story. More than half the ad is him talking very detailed about his wife.

BURTON: It’s a sad story.

COOPER: It is a sad story. but it truncates time in a way that makes it seem like he got fired, she didn’t have health insurance, which she did from her other job, her primary insurance, in fact –

BURTON: Not at the time when she died, though. She had health insurance for a short time.

COOPER: Because she lost her other job.

BURTON: But ultimately when Joe Soptic needed health insurance for his family, health insurance that had been promised to him by a contract that Mitt Romney helped to negotiate, he didn’t have that health insurance.

COOPER: Right. Because under bankruptcy protection, they were able to do away with the prom—

BURTON: Contract they made with workers. But they made plenty of money. All those workers got screwed.

COOPER: You can make an ad all about that. You’re implying — I think any rational or certainly nonpartisan observer looks at this and says you are linking this. otherwise we would not put this in an ad.

BURTON: I think just the opposite. I think the rational thing to take away here is that — how on earth could you possibly imply that? What we’re saying that at a moment of true anxiety.

COOPER: How can you say how can you imply that? It’s totally disingenuous, Bill.

I think disingenuous is putting it mildly. The ad itself crossed the line, the cover up is just plain pathetic in my opinion. And yours?

Wasn't that a Super PAC ad (independent of the Obama crowd)? So what's your beef? It was wrong, wrong, wrong for them to air it.

Wasn't that a Super PAC ad (independent of the Obama crowd)? So what's your beef? It was wrong, wrong, wrong for them to air it.

Independent? So you see nothing odd about the Obama campaign denying knowledge after having used him in two of the own ads and hosting a conference call with the man? I don't think you have have coordinated any better.

They aired it without any approval first.

I think disingenuous is putting it mildly. The ad itself crossed the line, the cover up is just plain pathetic in my opinion. And yours?Hello Steve:

I don't know... As long as you keep the "you didn't build that" LIE alive, I don't have a lot of sympathy for you.

Toughen up. Things is going to get WORSE!

excon

They aired it without any approval first.

So it wasn't independent.

Hello Steve:

I dunno... As long as you keep the "you didn't build that" LIE alive, I don't have a lot of sympathy for you.

Toughen up. Things is gonna get WORSE!

excon

Geez, we have Obama's words and him trying to walk it back. Now you have Team Obama lying through their teeth about the sleaziest, most dishonest political ad I think I've ever seen, and you think I'm the liar? Get real.

So it wasn't independent.

Yes, it was independent. The PAC aired it without approval and fact checking. That's the whole problem with PACs -- they don't need anyone's approval to air an ad. Then it forces the candidate to apologize for something he didn't do.

Aired it without who's approval?

Aired it without who's approval?
As any PAC can do, aired it without the candidate's approval.

If they need the candidate's approval then they're coordinating.

The point is not only is the PAC treating us like idiots by incredibly saying they aren't trying to make a connection to Romney about the death of a woman, but the Obama campaign is lying through their teeth about what they knew.

This is sleazeball at its worst on both parts, but I guess that's OK, huh? It's just politics, right?

If they need the candidate's approval then they're coordinating.
That's the whole point and the lovely fun of a PAC. They don't need the candidate's approval. They do anything they darn well please.

I get that, so maybe this will help you get the point. Up there where I mentioned an Obama campaign conference call and the campaign - not the PAC - denied any knowledge of the man's story? He told this story in the conference call to the same woman on Obama's campaign team that denied any knowledge of it, Stephanie Cutter.

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And by the way, Soptic is wearing the same shirt in both the PAC's ad and Obama's ad. All of this is purely coincidental, no collusion at all in blaming Romney for the death of Soptic's wife, right?

And by the way, Soptic is wearing the same shirt in both the PAC's ad and Obama's ad. All of this is purely coincidental, no collusion at all in blaming Romney for the death of Soptic's wife, right?
So you're saying the two ads were done within minutes of each other? Maybe that is his ad shirt, like someone else's church shoes.

So you're saying the two ads were done within minutes of each other? Maybe that is his ad shirt, like someone else's church shoes.

What I'm saying is Team Obama are liars about their involvement in a disgusting, sleazy, blatantly dishonest attack on Mitt Romney by a group that is trying to insult your intelligence by claiming they made no link to Romney being responsible for this woman's death.

Really Carol, the ad is indefensible and the collusion is beyond obvious.

What I'm saying is Team Obama are liars about their involvement in a disgusting, sleazy, blatantly dishonest attack on Mitt Romney by a group that is trying to insult your intelligence by claiming they made no link to Romney being responsible for this woman's death.
Who do you consider "Team Obama"? Are you saying President Obama is therefore at fault?

What I'm saying is Team Obama are liars about their involvement in a disgusting, sleazy, blatantly dishonest attack on Mitt Romney by a group that is trying to insult your intelligenceHello again, Steve:

All this outrage, and at the bottom of your signature is a disgusting, sleazy, blatantly dishonest attack on our president.

Plus, you're sending a despicable message by using his middle name.. It's a message. It's telling us that he's "other" than you and I. He's foreign. He's probably Muslim. No American has a middle name like that. He MIGHT not be eligible to be president...

Yeah, I know the code.. I'm sure you'll deny it, and insult my intelligence by doing so.

excon

What is this smear heard round the world? Is that the american world? Or the Earth world? Not a breath of it has reached here you are safe. Right now the only thing being heard around the world is the olympics, which I notice not a breath of it has reached this site. The Chinese team too much for you?

Who do you consider "Team Obama"? Are you saying President Obama is therefore at fault?

Why are you interested in trying to trap me instead of the sleazebags behind this ad?

Hello again, Steve:

All this outrage, and at the bottom of your signature is a disgusting, sleazy, blatantly dishonest attack on our president.

Plus, you're sending a despicable message by using his middle name.. It's a message. It's telling us that he's "other" than you and I. He's foreign. He's probably Muslim. No American has a middle name like that. He MIGHT not be eligible to be president...

Yeah, I know the code.. I'm sure you'll deny it, and insult my intelligence by doing so.

excon

Why am I not surprised that you find two quotes more outrageous than blaming someone unfairly for someone's death and the Obama campaign covering up their involvement?

Really ex? That's pathetic. I think you're just panicking that your guy might actually lose.

what is this smear heard round the world? is that the american world? or the Earth world? Not a breath of it has reached here you are safe.
Exactly! Not a word right next door here in Canada.
This is rather like their USA-only "World Series" LOL.
Hyperbole - the cornerstone of far-right politicking.

Exactly! Not a word right next door here in Canada.
This is rather like their USA-only "World Series" LOL.
Hyperbole - the cornerstone of far-right politicking.

It's just a phrase. Geez you people are hyper-sensitive. I guess that's normal when you're that insecure.

I guess that's normal when you're that insecure.

From: Troll (Internet) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29)

In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response

It's just a phrase. Geez you people are hyper-sensitive. I guess that's normal when you're that insecure.

What is there to be insecure about? We could worry you might export your economy I suppose

The irony just cracks me up, implying I'm a troll has the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response Mr. troll expert (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/search.php?searchid=18633004).

By the way, you took it out of context.


In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

The discussion went off-topic here (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/team-obama-covers-up-smear-heard-round-world-692139.html#post3229585) and here (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/team-obama-covers-up-smear-heard-round-world-692139-2.html#post3230325) and you joined in here (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/team-obama-covers-up-smear-heard-round-world-692139-3.html#post3230591). I'm sure ex and Clete will be glad to know you've just called them trolls.

I guess you're just a little insecure.

what is this smear heard round the world? is that the american world? or the Earth world? Not a breath of it has reached here you are safe. Right now the only thing being heard around the world is the olympics, which I notice not a breath of it has reached this site. the Chinese team too much for you?

Start your own thread.

P.S. Misty May and Kerry did a fine job with the Chinese and the medal count (http://sport.uk.msn.com/olympics-2012/medal-table.aspx) looks quite favorable at the moment. (Sorry NK, I couldn't scroll down to get Canada in the screen shot)

I guess you're just a little insecure.

I'm right, no need to be insecure.

Just because WG and I and Clete call you out on the misinformation that you post in no reason to attack us.

Really ex? That's pathetic. I think you're just panicking that your guy might actually lose.Hello again, Steve:

In the world of negative campaigning, I don't find one side more honorable than the other... But, when YOUR side points fingers and snivels about a negative ad used AGAINST you, I don't have a lot of sympathy.

Here's what I think.. Obama WAS vulnerable. ANY of the candidates who decided NOT to run could have beaten him. You know the list. And, I even thought Romney could have beaten him - not because Romney is better - but because Obama was SOOOO vulnerable...

But, Romney blew it. I don't know if it's because he won't release his taxes, or because he isn't interested in Ann's horse, or because he went negative. I really don't know, and I don't care... For WHATEVER reason, Obama is comfortably ahead, and unless something untoward happens, he's going to win.

AND, Hillary is going to win in '16.

excon

Just because WG and I and Clete call you out on the misinformation that you post in no reason to attack us.

I refer you again to your own definition.

Hello again, Steve:

In the world of negative campaigning, I don't find one side more honorable than the other... But, when YOUR side points fingers and snivels about a negative ad used AGAINST you, I don't have a lot of sympathy.

Here's what I think.. Obama WAS vulnerable. ANY of the candidates who decided NOT to run could have beaten him. You know the list. And, I even thought Romney could have beaten him - not because Romney is better - but because Obama was SOOOO vulnerable...

But, Romney blew it. I dunno if it's because he won't release his taxes, or because he isn't interested in Ann's horse, or because he went negative. I really don't know, and I don't care... For WHATEVER reason, Obama is comfortably ahead, and unless something untoward happens, he's gonna win.

AND, Hillary is gonna win in '16.

excon

So blaming Romney for Soptic's wife's death, even though he lied about her insurance and she died six years later is reasonable to you?

So blaming Romney for Soptic's wife's death, even though he lied about her insurance and she died six years later is reasonable to you?Hello again, Steve:

Maybe you didn't understand what I just said... You want me to judge which NEGATIVE ad is worse, and I'm not going to. I'm NOT a relativist..

But, as long as you're asking... How long are you going to continue to DENY that Romney LIED when he took "you didn't build that" out of context? Apparently, you STILL think it's the truth, because it's STILL part of your signature. So, as long as ONE of us is living in a dream world, we're not going to solve the LYING problem.

excon

I knew if I compromised and took the first quote out, dumped the middle name and left Obama's words verbatim to speak for themselves you'd still be pi$$ed off about the wrong thing.

I knew if I compromised and took the first quote out, dumped the middle name and left Obama's words verbatim to speak for themselves you'd still be pi$$ed off about the wrong thing.Hello again, Steve:

I didn't care about the first quote. Although the use of his middle name was troubling, it didn't take away from the lie. I think we've been round and round about this, but I ain't busy..

Nobody is saying Obama didn't utter those words. He did. They WERE, however, taken out of context to mean what you NOW proclaim them to mean, and that's NOT what the words meant when they were spoken...

THAT'S the lie. It isn't the wrong thing.

So, I say again.. As long as you think YOUR guy doesn't lie and mine does, we ain't going to get anywhere.

excon

So in other words when Obama says what he says he didn't really mean that. "somebody else made that happen" means something entirely different than "somebody else made that happen." Sounds exactly like Bill Burton's excuse for his own sleazy ad.

Obama made a stupid statement and now he has to live with it. Romney did not kill that woman, should he have to live with that?

So in other words when Obama says what he says he didn't really mean that. "somebody else made that happen" means something entirely different than "somebody else made that happen." Hello again, Steve:

I don't know how many different ways I can say this, but when you take words OUT of the context in which they were spoken you can MAKE them mean something else...

What is it about that, that you DO NOT get?? This isn't Martian we're speaking..

excon

Mitt Romney quotes:

"Corporations are people, my friend"

"I like being able to fire people who provide services to me."

"I'm not concerned about the very poor."

"I should tell my story. I'm also unemployed." —Mitt Romney, speaking in 2011 to unemployed people in Florida. Romney's net worth is over $200 million.

"[My wife] drives a couple of Cadillacs."


"We should double Guantanamo!"

"I'm happy to learn that after I speak you're going to hear from Ann Coulter. That's a good thing. I think it's important to get the views of moderates." --right before Coulter called John Edwards a "faggot"

The ultimate flip-flopper: Still Voting For 'Mitt Romney'? - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQwrB1vu74c)

Hello again, Steve:

I dunno how many different ways I can say this, but when you take words OUT of the context in which they were spoken you can MAKE them mean something else...

What is it about that, that you DO NOT get??? This isn't Martian we're speaking..

excon

Really? I did not know that. Just never mind, you obviously think it's OK to accuse a man of causing death but using a guy's own words against him is taboo. The quote stays.

“ If you've got a business—you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.” -Barack Obama, 2012

“ If you've got a business... you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.” -Barack Obama, 2012

At least quote it accurately.

Ditto that, there is nothing between 'business' and 'you' but a pause. I am accurate.

We now have two killers on the ticket - Romney who killed this guy's wife six years after the fact, and Paul Ryan who pushed granny over a cliff.

We now have two killers on the ticket - Romney who killed this guy's wife six years after the fact, and Paul Ryan who pushed granny over a cliff.

Very perceptive for a conservative. There is hope for you yet! I knew you didn't want to pay for Romney's tax cuts, or get a voucher for your social security.

Funny you would say "Very perseptive for a conservative" to a non-baseball guy that's running away with the league for the second year in a row. Shame you didn't perceive the sarcasm over what you guys will make this about to divide the country further instead of discussing real issues.

Funny you would say "Very perseptive for a conservative" to a non-baseball guy that's running away with the league for the second year in a row. Shame you didn't perceive the sarcasm over what you guys will make this about to divide the country further instead of discussing real issues.

It wouldn't be so divided if you would stop running as far to the right wing corner as you can and throw rocks at the rest of us. If you wanted to discuss real issues then you would be debating the Romney/Ryan plan, and telling us how great its going to work for all of us, and our kids, and grand kids.

If you wanted to discuss real issues then you would be debating the Romney/Ryan plan, and telling us how great its going to work for all of us, and our kids, and grand kids.That would a discussion based on positives; I only see him discussing negatives.

Hello again, Steve:

I don't want to interrupt your joy at the Paul Ryan pick, but I thought you'd like to know that the latest ad Romney is running about Obama getting RID of the work requirement in welfare, is a LIE, it's a LIE, and by the way, it's a blatant LIE...

You're not going to admit it though, and the lying will continue... But, you can STOP playing the outraged victim card.

excon

That would a discussion based on positives; I only see him discussing negatives.

You have very narrow vision.

Hello again, Steve:

I don't wanna interrupt your joy at the Paul Ryan pick, but I thought you'd like to know that the latest ad Romney is running about Obama getting RID of the work requirement in welfare, is a LIE, it's a LIE, and by the way, it's a blatant LIE...

You're not gonna admit it though, and the lying will continue... But, you can STOP playing the outraged victim card.

excon

Speaking of lies and staying on topic, here's the chief of the DNC Debbie Downer saying she doesn't know the political affiliation of Bill Burton, former White House Deputy Press Secretary and guy behind blaming Romney for the death of the steelworker's wife.

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Hello again, Steve:

Of course, it's a lie. She said it on FOX News, didn't she?

excon

Well there you have it, the source of lies on Fox News are Democrats.

Well that's where you guys go to spread many lies for the past 3 years, why can't we go there with ONE?

Oh that's right, when you guys lie, it's the truth. When we tell the truth, it's a lie. How convenient.

Let's say you're right hypothetically, one cable network versus the rest of the media... your liars have got us way outnumbered.

Flashback: Glenn Beck Interview With Paul Ryan From 2010 | Video | TheBlaze.com (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/flashback-glenn-beck-interview-with-paul-ryan-from-2010/)

Flashback: Glenn Beck Interview With Paul Ryan From 2010 | Video | TheBlaze.com (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/flashback-glenn-beck-interview-with-paul-ryan-from-2010/)Hello again, tal:

Careful, tal.. You'll give 'em a woody.

excon

The ad is despicable. Obama's approval (assuming he approved it, which he probably did) is despicable. People here defending the indefensible are not doing Obama any good.

After almost four years, the excitement generated by Obama has pretty much played out. The fact remains, however, that he was dealt an incredibly bad hand by the previous administration and his attempts to fix the financial crisis have been far superior to what the opposition has suggested - namely, let the whole thing collapse and allow the "market" to self-correct.

The incredible stupidity of such a solution is matched by the incredible arrogance of blaming Obama for what the previous administration caused.

Cut to the chase, what is in there that's supposed to be so troubling to you Tal?

I don't get troubled, I survived Nixon, Reagan and two Bushes, and thrived and survived. You guys pee in your pants at any threat to your highway. Which could stand some fixing!

Ok then, so what am I supposed to be ashamed of, embarrassed by, scared of, etc. That he talked to Beck?

P.S. The highways here are in fine shape. In fact, I don't recall having ever driven a bad Texas highway. I've never experienced a power outage of more than a few hours, our natural gas lines are always running, the water system works great and would be even better if New Mexico would stop hogging the Canadian River.