What if those ballots had helped the Repub candidate win?

Republican, Democrat, Human, whatever. Election fraud is election fraud. It happens all over. "True the Vote" is documenting new cases every week. True The Vote (http://www.truethevote.org/)

I can offer only one word; Integrity, if you cannot ensure that, you got nothing

I can offer only one word; Integrity, if you cannot ensure that, you got nothing

You said "integrity" when talking about politicians. BWAHAHAHaHahahahaha!

What if those ballots had helped the Repub candidate win?
What if ? I'd still be in favor of voter id laws.

What if ? I'd still be in favor of voter id laws.
I am too. Just don't demand them two weeks before an election.

You said "integrity" when talking about politicians. BWAHAHAHaHahahahaha!

No I said Integrity when talking about the electoral process, which isn't about politics. You see this is where our attitudes diverge. presenting your policies, etc to the people in order to be elected is politics, providing a secure electoral system so that votes can be recorded and counted is government. The two are different and must have seperate administrations. You don't allow don't allow the politicians to have control of the judicial process why would you allow them to have control of the electoral process, but allowing local officials to tamper with the electoral process is corrupt

It would take a constitutional amendment to remove the right of each of the 50 states to run their own states election rules. But SCOTUS or the federal court can rule them UNconstitutional.

So yeah state politicians run their election process.

I feel very sad for you, however a state running a process can still have integrity if properly administered but for the sake of order and good government they should align and uniformly apply the rules. However as you are over governed, even at a local level, not much chance of that. You see we long ago dealt with such problems and our electoral office even oversees Union elections. Once you understand that a process can be corrupted you have to act to correct it

as you are over governed,
where did I hear that before ? Oh yeah .I've been saying that.
Tal ,Clete's comment has nothing to do with the federalist system . You can have integrity in the process even when 50 states administer their own elections . You just have to want it . The Dems don't .

I won't agree with that as usual Tom, but when you affect the voting rights of so many while trying to prevent so few, I just think there is a better way. I have been saying for a while I am for a national ID program.

At least have a process that can pass the legal definition of FAIR. But that's not your real goal at all, and everybody knows it.

But that's not your real goal at all, and everybody knows it.

Spin a little harder and you get pretty colors from the pinwheel.

I'd sign up for a national id in a second. Now if we had that ;would you libs have objections to producing it at the polls ? I think you would . Our solution in lieu of a national id is a variety of options .The only requirement being that it is a photo id. Evidently that is allegedly too burdensome for people who use them routinely in their daily affairs....which of course is nonsense. The only conclusion I can come to is that you pay lip service to "fair " . In reality you are content with a flawed system that appears to be rigged to allow the ineligible to vote for their favorite Dem.

All ineligible voters are democrats? Amazing that's all you look for. Or all you find. Many links have been provided documenting in their own words about the agenda, and shenanigans of republicans election agendas.

But I guess its easier to ignore your own pimples and flaws and point out everyone else's. We do need to tighten up the ship, ALL OF US.

your Obamacare is going to create a quasi national identity program, it is a short step from there if you have the will to do it

All ineligible voters are democrats? Amazing that's all you look for. Or all you find. Many links have been provided documenting in their own words about the agenda, and shenanigans of republicans election agendas.

But I guess its easier to ignore your own pimples and flaws and point out everyone else's. We do need to tighten up the ship, ALL OF US.

I don't care who they vote for .If they are ineligible ,they shouldn't be voting ..period. If I give you the benefit of the doubt ,then I say your side not only defends the status quo ,but encourages such behavior with things like same day registration and with aggressively opposing any and ALL efforts to ensure the integrity of the franchise. ....going so far as accepting bribes to oppose voter id laws.
Kane shut down sting that snared Phila. officials - Philly.com (http://articles.philly.com/2014-03-17/news/48269239_1_investigation-kane-ali)

(yeah I know ... move on ...nothing there ....even though hundreds of hours of tape prove that the Dem officials took bribes ;the PA Att General will not press charges ...and we know Eric Holder won't lift a finger to do his job either )

look; if something illegal has been done; prosecute, you are the most litegious society on Earth, surely you can do that, if the law doesn't exist or it is inadequate; correct it. You might have to wait a few years, but do it anyway. Surely you can have one of those Senate witchhunts, even years later, and get the job done, but right now you have bigger fish to fry, you can't even find MH370, the chinese have beaten you to it, a portent of things to come. You have the technology and yet, what have you offered? I expect that your national security prevents you from sharing but it shouldn't stop you from correcting electoral problems.

Look I know it's against your nature, but centralise something

no need to centralize ... as for prosecutions .... Eric Holder refused to bring charges when the Black Panthers stood at polling places to intimidate voters. J. Christian Adams resigned from his post as a trial attorney for the voting section of the Department of Justice after he was told that the Justice Dept would not be bringing cases 'against black defendants on [behalf] of white victims'.

He was also told that he should ignore a subpoena from the Civil Rights Commission which still has an ongoing investigation. His charge was confirmed and corroborated by Christopher Coates; the former head of the voting section of the Department of Justice's Civil Rights Division who had led the original investigation .He compared the Black Panther case to an earlier case from 2006, in which Department of Justice attorneys expressed anger at having to investigate Ike Brown, a black democratic politician in Mississippi accused of discriminating against white voters. Coates testified that the Justice Department's administration's decision to drop the Black Panther Case "was intended to send a direct message to people inside and outside the civil rights division. That message is that the filing of voting cases like the Ike Brown and the NBPP cases would not continue in the Obama administration."
http://news.yahoo.com/black-panther-party-voter-intimidation-case-bombshell-obama.html

There it is, the "we don't need to change" argument, ok enforce all the laws you have, that should give you an instant economic recovery, oh wait a minute, that needs more taxes to support the growth in the public service or more debt, you won't do that either. How does it feel to be stuck in that cleft stick?. I do know the answer Tom repeal all those laws and start again that should get your polies of their arse

no need to centralize ... as for prosecutions .... Eric Holder refused to bring charges when the Black Panthers stood at polling places to intimidate voters. J. Christian Adams resigned from his post as a trial attorney for the voting section of the Department of Justice after he was told that the Justice Dept would not be bringing cases 'against black defendants on [behalf] of white victims'.

He was also told that he should ignore a subpoena from the Civil Rights Commission which still has an ongoing investigation. His charge was confirmed and corroborated by Christopher Coates; the former head of the voting section of the Department of Justice's Civil Rights Division who had led the original investigation .He compared the Black Panther case to an earlier case from 2006, in which Department of Justice attorneys expressed anger at having to investigate Ike Brown, a black democratic politician in Mississippi accused of discriminating against white voters. Coates testified that the Justice Department's administration's decision to drop the Black Panther Case "was intended to send a direct message to people inside and outside the civil rights division. That message is that the filing of voting cases like the Ike Brown and the NBPP cases would not continue in the Obama administration."
http://news.yahoo.com/black-panther-party-voter-intimidation-case-bombshell-obama.html


Yes, why would you need to centralize when you created a fourth arm of government? Namely, the office of the Emperor.

The possibilities are endless. Sounds like both parties will be able to make use of this office in the future. The politics of personhood appears to have grown another head.

it is the concern of creating imperial government that is the biggest reason to NOT centralize power.

You already have that form of government, you elect an emperor for a four year term, he has the ability to act without reference to the legislature as he has recently proven, therefore no change is needed, just drop some obsolete forms of government, makes life simplier

Power can shift every two years, at the peoples will, and of course at how much the small band of elites spend.

power shifting doesn't seem to stop one branch acting without the other

That's Unique to Obama... he is after all the Messiah... and the Messiah is above the laws of man.

When one side wants to do NOTHING but what they want, of course they holler when things get worked around them. They have no votes to dominate, but they can slow things down and blame others when nothing get done, doesn't work, or they don't like what does get done. Reasonable people can see beyond all that and that's why the right wing republicans are so low on the totem pole because they hae proven to be incompetent at doing anything, by choice.

Their agenda is to shrink and destroy government and make it dysfunctional. They are good at it. Too bad they will fail.

Yeah.. the Democrats were big losers in the last election... and they will be even bigger losers the next one... all those obstructionist, socialis and comunist power grabs are backfiring in a big way.

Your memory of the 2012 election has failed you once again.

It's always the fault of the muslims... or socialists.. or someone other than my political party.

Your memory of the 2012 election has failed you once again.
Really? I seem to remember there are other branches of the government than the resident Emporer.

And I seem to remember fewer seats in them being Democrat than were before the election.

Hello smoothy:
Really? I seem to remember there are other branches of the government than the resident Emporer. The reason IS, that Republicans CHEAT. (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/11/07/1159631/americans-voted-for-a-democratic-house-gerrymandering-the-supreme-court-gave-them-speaker-boehner/#)

Yes, the party who wants VOTER ID, is the vote CHEATING party.

excon

Hello smoothy:The reason IS, that Republicans CHEAT.
excon

Yet Elbridge Gerry, who started the whole process, was a Democrat.

We would have far fewer democrats in office if the Illegals weren't voting , the dead people weren't voting, and democrats that actually did have a right to vote were only voting once... in fact Obama would never have gotten into office either time without any of those forms of voter fraud running rampant. And the margins were small enough the fraud DID make a difference.

Hello again,

My thread has been invaded by the non reality based community... I'm not interested in discussing FANTASY.

One person says that since cheating was invented by Democrats, it's OK for them to CHEAT. Another person simply can't count.

I'm outta here

excon