Compared to what ?

You can buy stuff on a secure server with a credit card but we can't vote on line? I registered to vote on line, bought my ID on line but can't vote online??

You talk fraud, I say it's a smoke screen to hide discrimination. A hunters license is good enough to vote with, but a student ID isn't? A utility bill isn't an acceptable form of ID? One voting station to service 6500 people but one in the city to service 40,000, isn't discrimination?

The real fraud is the tricks and traps to suppress votes of citizens. Doesn't matter which side does it.

You can buy stuff on a secure server with a credit card but we can't vote on line? I registered to vote on line, bought my ID on line but can't vote online??

You can get all your information hacked and stolen on line . How do you guarantee that your vote isn't being made by someone else... I already commented that registration without the requirement to prove eligibility creates a situation ripe for fraud. So no ,I don't think that online registration the way it is currently set up is sufficient to prevent fraud.



You talk fraud, I say it's a smoke screen to hide discrimination.

You can see what you want to see. That race card line of cr@p is always the left's argument of last resort .

Of course no one has heard of electronic signatures, like they don't make bank transactions on line

Rich guys can use a computer without worrying about fraud, why can't voters? You can get a banking app, but not a voting app?

Rich guys can use a computer without worrying about fraud, why can't voters? You can get a banking app, but not a voting app?
My bank just set up a system whereby I have to give answers to FIVE security questions in order to get into my account online

The real fraud is the tricks and traps to suppress votes of citizens. Doesn't matter which side does it.

Can I call 'em (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/3492904-post42.html) or what?

Rich guys can use a computer without worrying about fraud, why can't voters? You can get a banking app, but not a voting app?

Yeah right... there is a whole industry that has grown to combat computer fraud and theft .

My bank just set up a system whereby I have to give answers to FIVE security questions in order to get into my account online

And if applied to voting it would be considered suppression no doubt

and if applied to voting it would be considered suppression no doubt

Of course, that would be a burdensome barrier for blacks, poor and elderly or something.

and if applied to voting it would be considered suppression no doubt
I'm elderly and don't consider it suppression.

I'm elderly and don't consider it suppression.

How about being required to show an ID?

I'm elderly and don't consider it suppression.

Well when I see the reaction to the request for any form of proof that someone is eligible to vote and then think that someone would need to answer security questions before voting ;I predict that system won't fly.

If you could do it from home and not stand in the heat/cold/rain/snow I think its do able. One of the reasons the right justifies ID's was you need one to have a bank account.

If you could do it from home and not stand in the heat/cold/rain/snow I think its do able
Across the globe people die for the right to stand on that line.

Hello again, tom:


Across the globe people die for the right to stand on that line.Banks used to be that way too. If the only way to get my money was to wait in line, I'd DIE for the right to stand in that line.. But, it ain't that way anymore.

I'm CONVINCED that a country who can create secure online banking, can create secure online voting...

Excon

Like I said ;on line theft and fraud prevention and security is a big business and hardly 100% reliable .

Are you secretly Amish Tom?

Hello again,

Our right wing friends tell us voter ID is to prevent voter fraud. But, once in a while they tell us the truth.

Last year, Pennsylvania Republican House Leader Mike Turzai (R-PA) admitted that voter identification efforts were designed to suppress Democratic votes, telling a Republican Steering Committee meeting that Voter ID “is going to allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania, done.”

He was telling the truth.

Romney ended up losing the state, but Republicans still believe that they successfully kept Democrats from supporting President Obama. As Pennsylvania's GOP Chairman Rob Gleason told Pennsylvania Cable Network earlier this week, (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/07/17/2313571/top-pennsylvania-republican-admits-voter-id-helped-suppress-obama-voters/) the party “cut Obama by 5 percent” in 2012 and “probably Voter ID had helped a bit in that.”

He's telling the truth too. It's not for voter fraud. It's to give Republicans an unfair advantage.. I guess they think their IDEAS won't win 'em anything at the ballot box.. That's why they have to cheat..

excon

You're always asking the wrong questions on this. The question is why do Democrats get so many fraudulent votes?

If these people are so poor they can't afford to get an ID... how did they manage to apply for and get Welfare and food stamps without an ID?

Hello again, Steve:

The question is why do Democrats get so many fraudulent votes?Ok, let's talk. Look.. I want a clean election too. But, I HEAR about all these fraudulent votes, but I don't SEE any prosecutions. If we can COUNT these cheaters, why can't we CATCH them?? If they're REAL, and not just a figment of your imagination, point me to a website that DOCUMENTS the cheating... If it's happening, I REALLY, REALLY want to know about it.

Now, Steve... Don't come back with one guy and say, LOOKIE here...

Besides that, do you know anybody who would stand in line for 8 hours TWICE just to vote a second time??

Excon

You keep saying you want a clean election but you're against any ideas to get there. Just like you guys keep saying you want fewer abortions but have a stroke over any restriction, even at 5 months. I don't care if the fraud is on my side or yours, 1 or 10,000, someone who voted lawfully is disenfranchised.

What's a person supposed to think about the motives that move you to make certain laws when it's the guy's who make the laws telling us it was to skew the election and make their side win?

I'm mean GEEEEEEEEZ!!! They admitted it. Not once but TWICE!!! What more do you need?

As if your side's motives for amnesty and blocking voter ID laws are pure. Give me a break, Tal, we see right through you.

Hello again, Steve:

As if your side's motives for amnesty and blocking voter ID laws are pureI don't know. Once your guys, ADMIT that the purpose of voter ID is to CHEAT, it's pretty hard to say that being OPPOSED to cheating is impure. Yet, you did.

You ARE to be commended though. Like your friends in PA, you just ADMITTED that these laws are for the purpose of CHEATING.. You justify it by accusing the left of CHEATING for wanting to give amnesty to the 11 million illegals..

I don't quite get that.. One is cheating.. The other is politics..

Excon

Hello again, Steve:
I dunno. Once your guys, ADMIT that the purpose of voter ID is to CHEAT, it's pretty hard to say that being OPPOSED to cheating is impure. Yet, you did.

You ARE to be commended though. Like your friends in PA, you just ADMITTED that these laws are for the purpose of CHEATING.. You justify it by accusing the left of CHEATING for wanting to give amnesty to the 11 million illegals..

I don't quite get that.. One is cheating.. The other is politics..

excon

I admitted no such thing. I stand on what I've said all along, "I don't care if the fraud is on my side or yours, 1 or 10,000, someone who voted lawfully is disenfranchised." You're the one that keeps saying you want a clean election but refusing to support any standards to ensure one and this Tranter guy does not speak for me.

But until your side is ready to have an honest conversation about race, welfare and immigration you have no moral high ground from which to hammer us on voter ID, an idea both sides should support.

Where is your outrage that two of your own say they are going to cheat with the voting laws they want to implement?

Where is the outrage that the same rules a federal judge ruled discriminatory in Texas before are being reintroduced?

Where is your outrage that two of your own say they are going to cheat with the voting laws they want to implement?

I don't know who this Tranter guy is or really care, but it is not cheating to protect my vote from being negated and make sure every vote is legitimate.


Where is the outrage that the same rules a federal judge ruled discriminatory in Texas before are being reintroduced?

My prediction was spot on, there would be no instance in which you would accept voter ID in spite of all the yammering about how you guys would be for it if only... if only... if only...

I am for voter ID, ID's period. Biometric is better. What part of your implementation of a good idea sucks is it you have a problem understanding?

Late term abortions are horrific, a six week gynecologist visit is something I would pay for. The day after pill should be free. Two years to comply with upgrading women's health clinics to ambulatory standard is doable.

Making a 92 year old woman, who has voted for 50 years, get a birth certificate for an ID is stupid, and allowing a hunters license or conceal and carry permit to vote while a college ID can't, is discrimination.

BUT NOOOOOOO! The right doesn't think that way. And get mad when you take 'em to court over it. Keep hollerin' and throwin' rocks and trying to stick stuff up a woman's stuff without asking them first.

I am for voter ID, ID's period. Biometric is better. What part of your implementation of a good idea sucks is it you have a problem understanding?

Right, the first thing Americans are going to jump at the opportunity to do is open the door to more government intrusion.


Late term abortions are horrific, a six week gynecologist visit is something I would pay for. The day after pill should be free. Two years to comply with upgrading women's health clinics to ambulatory standard is doable.

Go for it, I don't want my tax dollars contributing to any abortion. I refuse to pay for infanticide.


Making a 92 year old woman, who has voted for 50 years, get a birth certificate for an ID is stupid, and allowing a hunters license or conceal and carry permit to vote while a college ID can't, is discrimination.

BUT NOOOOOOO! The right doesn't think that way. And get mad when you take 'em to court over it. Keep hollerin' and throwin' rocks and trying to stick stuff up a woman's stuff without asking them first.

I think I've asked before, how many eligible voters don't have ID? Let's have some numbers. And by the way, I'm all for providing assistance to get that ID and furnishing them free of charge if necessary.

Why Millions of Americans Have No Government ID : NPR (http://www.npr.org/2012/02/01/146204308/why-millions-of-americans-have-no-government-id)


And it turns out that more than three million Americans actually don't own a government-issued picture ID. That's according to a recent study by New York University's Brennan Center for Justice.

The ID Divide | Center for American Progress (http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/civil-liberties/news/2008/05/06/4450/the-id-divide/)


◾The legally blind or disabled to the point where it is difficult or impossible to drive
◾Older Americans who no longer drive
◾Teenagers who can't afford the cost of acquiring a driver's license
◾Poor families without the means to afford the costs associated with maintaining a driver's license
◾Millions of urban Americans living in cities with public mass transit systems who do not have driver's licenses

Communities of Color are also significantly less likely to have government-issued IDs. According to a 2006 survey by the Brennan Center, 25 percent of voting-age African Americans nationwide have no current government-issued photo ID, compared to eight percent of white voting-age citizens. In a Georgia study, Hispanics were twice as likely as whites not to have a government-issued photo ID.

Why Millions of Americans Have No Government ID : NPR (http://www.npr.org/2012/02/01/146204308/why-millions-of-americans-have-no-government-id)



The ID Divide | Center for American Progress (http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/civil-liberties/news/2008/05/06/4450/the-id-divide/)

First of all I said I'm all for assisting people in getting IDs and making them free if necessary. Second of all you're talking about less than 1 percent (0.96279%) of Americans that don't have an ID. It's time they did.

A whole 3 million ? Wow! There are reasonable ways to handle all the issues these people have. Do you know how many of them bother to vote now ? Nope .Presumably since less than half the eligible vote in elections except perhaps when the Presidency is contested what you are saying is that on average perhaps there are 30,000 per state that do not have id now (including teens that would not be eligible to vote anyway) . A very solvable problem if you ask me. This is just more proof that your side will throw out any BS to prevent a system that verifies and guarantees the integrity of the vote.

Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
I am for voter ID, ID's period. Biometric is better. What part of your implementation of a good idea sucks is it you have a problem understanding?

Did you even read any of the links I provided before you engaged in your partisan tirade? Interest groups have been registering and help many who will need ID's to vote get them if the states cannot. Even republicans are helping their constituents get ID's.

You screamers for integrity of the vote overblow the problem and are short on logistic support, and a reasonable timetable, and that's why you fail in court because the plan of implementation is always flawed.

I mean darn it, hollering voter fraud and proving it in a court of law is NOT a right wing strong point because for all the noise, you have no proof.

You know and I know that in the districts where voter fraud is likely to occur that the political machines have a vested interest in the status quo. Not only that ,but the US justice dept won't bother seriously investigating voter intimidation in Philly . So what's the chance of a serious investigation ? Besides they have to save their resources to combat efforts against legitimate verifiable voter id.

If Philly had a case, they would be in court, and we both know it.

If Philly had a case, they would be in court, and we both know it.

Ummm the Philly Dems were not going to take that case forward . You know that don't you ?

you know and I know that in the districts where voter fraud is likely to occur that the political machines have a vested interest in the status quo. Not only that ,but the US justice dept won't bother seriously investigating voter intimidation in Philly . So what's the chance of a serious investigation ? Besides they have to save their resources to combat efforts against legitimate verifiable voter id.

They're too busy recruiting snoops for their Zimmerman tip line.


If Philly had a case, they would be in court, and we both know it.

Holder dropped a case (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203550604574361071968458430.html) of voter intimation that was as clear cut as it gets.


The episode—which Bartle Bull, a former civil rights lawyer and publisher of the left-wing Village Voice, calls "the most blatant form of voter intimidation I've ever seen"

But no surprise, Holder is in solidarity with the NBP. (http://www.examiner.com/article/former-doj-attorney-zimmerman-prosecution-sparked-by-new-black-panthers).

http://www.qando.net/wp-content/uploads/RAMFNLclr-031512-fraud-IBD.jpg.cms_.jpg

Oh that is good

Hello again,

I see that COPS voting FRAUDULENTLY didn't get any traction on the other thread... So, I thought I would bring it up again..

What?? It's not important when the right wing does it??

excon

Your presumption that the cops are right wing has no basis in the facts . But to register fraudulently is a criminal offense . No doubt those cops will be charged . Few others will .

Hello again,

I see that COPS voting FRAUDULENTLY didn't get any traction on the other thread... So, I thought I would bring it up again..

What??? It's not important when the right wing does it???

excon

That's because one, the subject was the new left wing narrative of a mythical Internet gun loophole and two, it's a hell of an assumption to say all those cops are right wingers, and three, fraud is fraud and if that's fraud it needs to be dealt with no matter the political persuasion of the individual. How's that for fair?

Hello again,

Some Texas Republicans very open about disliking non-white voting

In May, Texas tea party leader Ken Emanuelson said this (http://www.burntorangereport.com/diary/13898/some-texas-republicans-very-open-about-disliking-nonwhite-voting) at a Dallas County Republican Party event:
I'm going to be real honest with you. The Republican Party doesn't want black people to vote if they are going to vote 9-to-1 for Democrats." In June, north Texas Rep. Kenny Marchant made a statement that went little noticed in the media. Explaining why he opposes immigration reform, he told the AP:
The proposed immigration overhaul "is very unpopular in my district," said Marchant, who represents suburbs west of Dallas. "The Republican primary voters, they're being pretty vocal with me on this subject." Besides, he said, "if you give the legal right to vote to 10 Hispanics in my district, seven to eight of them are going to vote Democrat."But, there's something shiny over here.. (Thank you Steve, for that quip)

Excon

OK, so. I'm not exactly sure how acknowledging the truth is a scandal. That would be akin to one of yours admitting they don't give a crap about women, minorities and illegals, they just want voters. And yet that's the truth.

Forget it Speech, I doubt you can divide and conquer to win over the very ones you oppress, blame, and continue to throw rocks at.

You guys will lose, with the stuff you use.

You guys will lose, with the stuff you use.
I wonder if there is a way for the Republicans to win them over.

I'd rather lose than be a part of the sham that is the Democratic Party. I don't have it in me to create a society of slaves and dependents while telling them I'm on their side.

I'd rather lose than be a part of the sham that is the Democratic Party. I don't have it in me to create a society of slaves and dependents while telling them I'm on their side.
But that's not what you'd have to do.

Hello again, Steve:

OK, so. I'm not exactly sure how acknowledging the truth is a scandal.It WOULDN'T be if you weren't DOING something about it. But, lo and hold, you ARE!!

Excon

Hello again, Steve:
It WOULDN'T be if you weren't DOING something about it. But, lo and hold, you ARE!!!

excon

Like what?

But that's not what you'd have to do.

But that's what they do.See Julia, and how badly they've failed black America with jobs, education and families, etc. etc.

But that's what they do.See Julia, and how badly they've failed black America with jobs, education and families, etc. etc.
No, let's not talk about what THEY do, but let's talk about what REPUBLICANS can do to improve the situation.

No, let's not talk about what THEY do, but let's talk about what REPUBLICANS can do to improve the situation.

The Republicans don't control the White house or the Senate... thats why we need to talk about the Democrats and what they aren't doing to change things for the better.


And to the topic... you can't even vote most countries without a legal government issued ID to prove you are elligible and who you claim.

You can't even file for welfare without an ID... so if they have welfare... they have an ID.. and thus have an ID to use to vote... Same with Food Stamps... you don't get any of those without an ID to prove who you are.

The Republicans don't control the White house or the Senate.....thats why we need to talk about the Democrats and what they aren't doing to change things for the better.
It has nothing to do with control. Talk is cheap. What are the Republicans in every village and city doing?

How does talking about them change anything? It doesn't. It just makes the Republicans look grumpy and ineffective, like a bunch of fishwives.

No, let's not talk about what THEY do, but let's talk about what REPUBLICANS can do to improve the situation.

Don't tell me what to talk about, please.

Don't tell me what to talk about, please.
I didn't.

Hello again, Steve:

Like what?If you are unaware of what your own state is doing to SUPPRESS the black vote, then I AIN'T going to tell you.

Ok, I'll mention this. Not two hours after SCOTUS struck down the Voting Rights Act, your state put into effect a redistricting plan that was RULED on by a federal court to be RACIST, and Unconstitutional. It clearly SUPPRESSES the vote...

You DID know about this, didn't you? You just don't want to discuss it. I don't know why. Whacha hiding? It's cause you know you're WRONG, don't you?

Excon

Hello again, Steve:
If you are unaware of what your own state is doing to SUPPRESS the black vote, then I AIN'T gonna tell ya.

Ok, I'll mention this. Not two hours after SCOTUS struck down the Voting Rights Act, your state put into effect a redistricting plan that was RULED on by a federal court to be RACIST, and Unconstitutional. It clearly SUPPRESSES the vote...

You DID know about this, didn't you? You just don't wanna discuss it. I dunno why. Whacha hiding? It's cause you know you're WRONG, don't you?

excon

Actually the next governor of the great state of Texas declared voter ID and redistricting that was already passed would take effect (http://www.kens5.com/news/Hours-after-SCOTUS-ruling-Abbott-declares-voter-ID-law-effective-immediately-212994191.html) and the state would start issuing free IDs.

Hello again, Steve:

I'm not saying you didn't pass it. I'm saying it's racist, it suppresses the vote, and it's unconstitutional. The federal court AGREES (http://www.maldef.org/news/releases/fedcourt_blocks_tx_redistricting/)with me too.

excon

QUOTE by smoothy;
The Republicans don't control the White house or the Senate... thats why we need to talk about the Democrats and what they aren't doing to change things for the better.

You weren't going to participate in anything anyway, just fillibuster your butts off over anything, even when you supported it before. The first four years were you guys negotiating and voting against EVERYTHING. Now its squeal and repeal. Another tactic to hide the lack of ideas by republicans. Hell when you did come out with your ideas in 2012 by Romney/Ryan, they were rejected.


And to the topic... you can't even vote most countries without a legal government issued ID to prove you are elligible and who you claim.

We do have those ID's to cash checks and get government benefits but that's not good enough for local republican. A gun license is though(?).


You can't even file for welfare without an ID... so if they have welfare... they have an ID.. and thus have an ID to use to vote... Same with Food Stamps... you don't get any of those without an ID to prove who you are.

Good enough for benefits, but not to vote(?). Who are you trying to fool? Suppression was the goal, is the goal, and always was the goal, and would be racist if not for the fact its really about power and influence.

If you want to assimilate and attract people stop screwing with them, and calling the names.

Hello again, Steve:

I'm not saying you didn't pass it. I'm saying it's racist, it suppresses the vote, and it's unconstitutional. The federal court AGREES (http://www.maldef.org/news/releases/fedcourt_blocks_tx_redistricting/)with me too.

excon

I'd say it was probably discriminatory, towards Democrats. Your side does it, too.

I'd say it was probably discriminatory, towards Democrats. Your side does it, too.

I don't think so.

You weren't going to participate in anything anyway, just fillibuster your butts off over anything, even when you supported it before. The first four years were you guys negotiating and voting against EVERYTHING. Now its squeal and repeal. Another tactic to hide the lack of ideas by republicans. Hell when you did come out with your ideas in 2012 by Romney/Ryan, they were rejected.



We do have those ID's to cash checks and get government benefits but that's not good enough for local republican. A gun license is though(?).



Good enough for benefits, but not to vote(?). Who are you trying to fool? Suppression was the goal, is the goal, and always was the goal, and would be racist if not for the fact its really about power and influence.

If you want to assimilate and attract people stop screwing with them, and calling the names.

Face the fact... YOUR people are getting nothing done even though you have both the Presidency AND the Senate...

You USED to have all three... and what did you accomplish... oh right... Obamacare that almost 70% of the people don't want...

I don't think so.

You don't gerrymander? Bwa ha ha ha!! I remember when after the '90 census your guys split Amarillo and put me in a Democratic district with Bill Sarpalius.

I can tell you that I'm in my 3rd congressional district since the 2000 census. Ben Gilman ,a lion of the House had his district completely erased . Then I was moved to Eliot Engel's district even though he represents the Bronx and districts on the East side of the Hudson River. I live in a county on the west side of the river .So they ran his district lines 20 miles up the river and then west to divide our county into 2 districts with Engel getting the portion I live in ,and the rest of my county to a congressional district to a county west of us.
Then after the 2010 census my neighborhood was again carved out and given to that libtard Nita Lowey .
So ,if redistricting is a form of voter suppression then consider my vote suppressed .

What can I tell you Tom shiite happens. The electorate I'm in is the base of a conservative representative but when its boundries were further west this town was squarely in the Labor camp. I can remember when the boundary split the town in two. Why do the boundries move around, because of population growth. I am denied a candidate of the party of my choosing because of deals between the coalition partners and thereby my vote is suppressed. Do I whine and winge about this, no it gives me the opportunity to demonstrate loyalty to the conservative cause as well as creating a little mayhem with preferences

Why do the boundries move around, because of population growth. I am denied a candidate of the party of my choosing because of deals between the coalition partners and thereby my vote is suppressed.
So what is it ? Population growth ,or because of deals between the pols ? NY lost rep because sane people are leaving the state (my time will come too because my property taxes alone represent a rent I pay the state equal to my mortgage for the right to "own" my house ) . Meanwhile states like Texas are increasing their population because they understand what it takes to attract business . But instead of dividing the districts equitably they do carve outs designed to create a permanent majority . When a district snakes up 20 miles of river with no population to carve up a few neighborhoods ,that's a good indicator that there was no logic to the district lines but raw politics.

So what is it ? population growth ,or because of deals between the pols ? NY lost rep because sane people are leaving the state (my time will come too because my property taxes alone represent a rent I pay the state equal to my mortgage for the right to "own" my house ) . Meanwhile states like Texas are increasing their population because they understand what it takes to attract business . But instead of dividing the districts equitably they do carve outs designed to create a permanent majority . When a district snakes up 20 miles of river with no population to carve up a few neighborhoods ,that's a good indicator that there was no logic to the district lines but raw politics.

Population growth is the reason the boundaries move. We have an electoral commission which doesn't take political considerations into account and can create a marginal electorate with the stroke of a pen. Usually boundries follow natural barriers. Political deals is why the party of choice doesn't field a candidate in this electorate. I know multi-party politics is a stretch for you but we have lots of parties contesting elections even though few of them have much chance. This electorate was for a long time held by an independent, so the parties are much more circumspect about splitting the vote

Texas redistricting plan ruled illegal - San Antonio Express-News (http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/Judges-throw-out-Texas-redistricting-maps-3821662.php)

Politics aside Texas is an energy state and has a plan for long term infrastructure funding that allows for massive expansion, and growth leveraged by the stimulus that you guys say didn't work. Its always raw politics anywhere in America. But Texas has no cities with 8 million people in it anywhere.

Seems like you have problems with Abbotts over there too, Tal. Always someone who doesn't like the umpires decision. This sort of thing is why the process of deciding boundaries was long ago given to a federal agency that administers all elections, but then you can't do that, you have states rights.

I can't image what impact the size of the city has but it must make things extremely difficult for those who want the electorates to be roughly the same population, just like Tom's twenty miles of shoreline and yet representative of the population. It produces some illogical results, like electorates that comprise half the state (our states are bigger than yours, even bigger than Texas) and lines that are drawn down urban streets

Texas redistricting plan ruled illegal - San Antonio Express-News (http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/Judges-throw-out-Texas-redistricting-maps-3821662.php)

Politics aside Texas is an energy state and has a plan for long term infrastructure funding that allows for massive expansion, and growth leveraged by the stimulus that you guys say didn't work. Its always raw politics anywhere in America. But Texas has no cities with 8 million people in it anywhere.

Lol, you seriously expect us to believe that Texas has thrived because of the stimulus? Bwa Ha ha!!

P. S. Nice try with your shiny thing to distract us from the fact that you guys suppress the vote with your gerrymandering but good to know you agree it isn't racism, it's just politics.

I have given you the Texas government websites already so its not me saying it, its Texas saying it. Believe whatever you want.

I have given you the Texas government websites already so its not me saying it, its Texas saying it. Believe whatever you want.

Dude, we never slowed down here, construction has been through the roof and none of it was from Porkulus. In fact the only sign of Porkulus here is one company has been building solar canopies in the parking lot of the VA hospital for three years. Texas has thrived in spite of Obamanomics.

Time for the Lone Star to become a republic again

Time for the Lone Star to become a republic again

Lots of crazies talk that rhetoric, but it's not an option.


Dude, we never slowed down here, construction has been through the roof and none of it was from Porkulus. In fact the only sign of Porkulus here is one company has been building solar canopies in the parking lot of the VA hospital for three years. Texas has thrived in spite of Obamanomics.

Haven't looked it up for yourself yet huh? Okay I'll wait.

Haven't looked it up for yourself yet huh? Okay I'll wait.

a) I'm not searching for some link you provided God knows when, that's up to you if you want to lean on that narrative.

b) Good luck linking that as the reason Texas has thrived.

Time for the Lone Star to become a republic again

Nope.. the US fought the Mexicans for Texas fair and square .

Population growth is the reason the boundaries move. We have an electoral commision which doesn't take political considerations into account and can create a marginal electorate with the stroke of a pen. Usually boundries follow natural barriers. Political deals is why the party of choice doesn't field a candidate in this electorate. I know multi-party politics is a stretch for you but we have lots of parties contesting elections even though few of them have much chance. This electorate was for a long time held by an independent, so the parties are much more circumspect about splitting the vote

Not here... this is what the Dems did to my district after the 2000 census. Note that the majority of the population in the district is in the Bronx... then they ran the district up the Hudson river to disenfranchise our suburban community .
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0f/New_York_District_17_109th_US_Congress.png

You want discriminatory maps, we got plenty here in Texas.

See you guys call it discriminatory when the Repubics do it ;but it isn't when your side does the same thing.

You want discriminatory maps, we got plenty here in Texas.

Payback for the jigsaw puzzle you carved out after the 1990 census. It's just politics like you said.

Yup!!

Yes sir, our most noble AG is suing Texas again (http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2013/August/13-ag-952.html) over our Voter ID law. "We don't need no stinkin' checks and balances!" must be the unofficial Obama admin motto.


“Today’s action marks another step forward in the Justice Department’s continuing effort to protect the voting rights of all eligible Americans,” said Attorney General Eric Holder. “We will not allow the Supreme Court’s recent decision to be interpreted as open season for states to pursue measures that suppress voting rights. The Department will take action against jurisdictions that attempt to hinder access to the ballot box, no matter where it occurs. We will keep fighting aggressively to prevent voter disenfranchisement. We are determined to use all available authorities, including remaining sections of the Voting Rights Act, to guard against discrimination and, where appropriate, to ask federal courts to require preclearance of new voting changes. This represents the Department’s latest action to protect voting rights, but it will not be our last.”

In the voter ID lawsuit, the United States’ complaint contends that SB 14 was adopted with the purpose, and will have the result, of denying or abridging the right to vote on account of race, color, or membership in a language minority group. The complaint asks the court to prohibit Texas from enforcing the requirements of its law, and also requests that the court order bail-in relief under Section 3 of the Voting Rights Act. If granted, this would subject Texas to a new preclearance requirement.

I just have to ask, why is it so many blacks and Latinos allegedly don't have an ID?

OK, let the wailing and gnashing of teeth begin.

They do just not the ones the right insists on.

Eric Holder needs to go to jail... The Mafia is more respectable and reputable than he is.

He apparently has absolutely no use for the law... and is one of the biggest racists of this era.

They do just not the ones the right insists on.

Like a driver's license, birth certificate, military ID or most anything else needed to function?

THis is the kind of things approved of under Obama...


A Department of Homeland Security employee who works on, among other things, the procurement of guns and ammunition for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, spends his nights and weekends preparing for a coming race war and advocating for anti-gay causes, according to a new report from the Southern Poverty Law Center[/b]."

This guy works for the DHS ?
This Homeland Security Employee Is Preparing for a Coming Race War - Abby Ohlheiser - The Atlantic Wire (http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/08/homeland-security-employee-moonlights-race-warrior/68600/)

" The content of Kimathi's advocacy demands some clarification. In some (white, conservative) circles, the term "black supremacist" is applied with a very wide brush. Black supremacy was the implication of Maine Governor Paul LePage's reported comments that President Obama "hates white people," for instance. Kimathi's site is not in this vein of this imagined threat — on the contrary, War on the Horizon calls Obama a "a treasonous mulatto scum dweller," and lists him among the movement's enemies (also on the list? Oprah Winfrey, Whoopi Goldberg, and Condoleezza Rice, among others) Instead, the DHS employee advocates for:

The mass murder of white people. His site says, "warfare is eminent, and in order for Black people to survive the 21st century, we are going to have to kill a lot of whites – more than our christian hearts can possibly count."

How's this for voter suppression, the Senate ballot paper is five feet long, what voter can make sense of this nonsense. I guess I'll just have to put 1 above the line and let the rest go to hell, what a waste of a vote

It's come to this... Bill Clinton wagged his finger at the MLK celebration to day and said this:


“But a great democracy does not make it harder to vote than to buy an assault weapon,” he declared.

As katie Pavlich (https://twitter.com/KatiePavlich) said, "Not only do you have to show ID to buy an 'assault rifle' @billclinton, you have to go through a background check too"

So, should we add a background check to voting?

You can verify any voter registration you want, so why do republican governors purge the voter rolls before they verify the validity of the voter? Why do voters have to prove they aren't lying about who they are? Why isn't a state issued student ID not good enough?

Why do republicans lose in court when they come up with these shenanigans in the name of voter integrity? How come republicans can find no voter fraud?

How come republicans are paranoid about every damn thing and have nothing good to say about anything? Today is a great day, how come you can't enjoy it, relax, have a beer, take your shoes off.

How come Democrats can't keep from spewing ridiculous nonsense like that?

Why do Democrats feel they have some right to vote early and vote often... when they are legally entitled to only ONE vote... and then only IF they qualify.

Great exaggeration but a lousy excuse to be a sourpuss.

I'd like to know how these legions of so called "poor" people supposedly too poor to get an ID manage to apply for, collect.. and cash benefits... without any ID whatsoever.

Great exaggeration but a lousy excuse to be a sourpuss.

Exactly what Clinton did.

I'd like to know how these legions of so called "poor" people supposedly too poor to get an ID manage to apply for, collect..and cash benefits...without any ID whatsoever.

Hey do you realise you just found a plan to fix the budget deficit, just insist on photo ID and you have solved two problems for the price of one, how is it you didn't think of this? I know, specialisation of labour, your depatments don't talk to each other or is it your politicians don't talk to each other

Go apply for welfare as an expose, you know, like the dufus did with acorn? See if you get food stamps and a Cadillac, and come back and tell us about it.

Thanks ,but I don't need welfare, and I don't need a Cadillac, a Kia will do

Sorry.That was aimed at Smoothy and Speech, Clete.

Sorry.That was aimed at Smoothy and Speech, Clete.

That's OK Tal but the remarks still stand, I was really pointing out in a backhand way that I doubt any of us need welfare so we should seek comments from someone who does

Nobody comes here but us.

Exactly, and sometimes I wonder, don't we have something else to do... oh that reminds me

Hey do you realise you just found a plan to fix the budget deficit, just insist on photo ID and you have solved two problems for the price of one, how is it you didn't think of this? I know, specialisation of labour, your depatments don't talk to each other or is it your politicians don't talk to each other
I thinks it both actually.

Go apply for welfare as an expose, you know, like the dufus did with acorn? See if you get food stamps and a Cadillac, and come back and tell us about it.

That guy was no dufus... he was a lot smarter than the idiots at ACORN were.

Nobody comes here but us.

That's because the welfare rats are out breeding... we taxpayers will pay for their offspring after all...

Perhaps they are not so much out breeding as in breeding, what you need is a breeding licence, no job no breeding

Perhaps they are not so much out breeding as in breeding, what you need is a breeding licence, no job no breeding

DO that and you solve the worlds overpopulation problems as well.

Maybe, like it didn't work for China

If you stop handing food to people so they can continue to breed... the ones who don't work or can't feed what they've got and still have more... the problem will self correct in relatively short order..

People are a lot like rats and cockroaches... give them enough food and they will breed themselves until they are piled on top of each other... make them get their own food... and they self regulate.

Whaddya know?


Despite voter ID law, minority turnout up in Georgia (http://www.ajc.com/news/news/despite-voter-id-law-minority-turnout-up-in-georgi/nR2bx/)

When Georgia became one of the first states in the nation to demand a photo ID at the ballot box, both sides served up dire predictions. Opponents labeled it a Jim Crow-era tactic that would suppress the minority vote. Supporters insisted it was needed to combat fraud that imperiled the integrity of the elections process.

But both claims were overblown, according to a review of by The Atlanta Journal-Constitution of statewide voting patterns in the five years since the law took effect.

Turnout among black and Hispanic voters increased from 2006 to 2010, dramatically outpacing population growth for those groups over the same period.

On the other hand, Georgia’s top elections official could not point to a single case of ballot fraud the voter ID law had prevented.

“I think the rhetoric on both sides has been overstated,” said Edward Foley, executive director of an election law center at The Ohio State University’s Moritz College of Law.

“It hasn’t had the voter-suppressing effect that some people feared,” Foley said. Conversely, he said, rhetoric about voter fraud has largely proven to be a “scare tactic” with little basis in fact.

Still, the law has had real and measurable effect for some voters: Since November 2008, the ballots of 1,586 Georgians didn’t count because of the law. (They arrived at the polls without a photo ID, cast provisional ballots, and did not return later with the required ID.) Overall, 13.6 million votes were cast in the state during the same period.

Oddly enough, "elections official could not point to a single case of ballot fraud the voter ID law had prevented." Could that have been some of those 1,586 rejected votes from folks who did not return with the required ID?

In a nutshell, minority turnout up, fraud down after voter ID. Sounds like a win-win.

Well I guess you can leap to a conclusion fraud is down because some provisional voters didn't come back.

Well I guess you can leap to a conclusion fraud is down because some provisional voters didn't come back.

At least as much as the author can leap to the conclusion that there was no fraud prevented. Fact is, no fraud and minority vote up, what's not to love?

Hello again,

This is as good a place for this garbage as any.

Jesse Helms was an unapologetic RACIST till he died. Ted Cruz, Republican Senator from Texas, thinks (http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/scarce/praise-jesse-helms-ted-cruz)we need 100 more like him in the senate.

Wouldn't that make Ted Cruz a Racist too?

excon

Obamas a racist... read the books he wrote.

Hello again, smoothy:

I notice you don't defend Cruz. You only attack Obama. Therefore, you AGREE that Cruz IS a racist.

excon

Hello again,

This is as good a place for this garbage as any.

Jesse Helms was an unapologetic RACIST till he died. Ted Cruz, Republican Senator from Texas, thinks (http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/scarce/praise-jesse-helms-ted-cruz)we need 100 more like him in the senate.

Wouldn't that make Ted Cruz a Racist too?

excon

I guess that made John Wayne a racist, too, just like Zero hanging out with Bill Ayers makes him a terrorist.

I guess that made John Wayne a racist, too, just like Zero hanging out with Bill Ayers makes him a terrorist.
He didn't hang out with him.

Hello again, Steve:

I guess you could say that attending a dinner that Ayers attended, and calling for 100 Bill Ayers to be in the US Senate IS the same thing, if you were batsh!t crazy.

excon

Hello again, smoothy:

I notice you don't defend Cruz. You only attack Obama. Therefore, you AGREE that Cruz IS a racist.

exconObama compared to Cruz is like compairing the Imperial Dragon of the KKK to the Pope.

Hello again, Smoothy:

I agree. But Pope is a little strong for Obama, don't you think?

excon

Hello again, Smoothy:

I agree. But Pope is a little strong for Obama, don't you think?

excon

I didn't say WHICH pope... you could take your pick of current or previous ones.

Cruz at least hasn't written two books laced with racist comments and inuendo.

Autobographies are like that... your words and thoughts in print... can't deny what you wrote yourself.

I don't plan to ever write one...

Hello again, smoothy:

written two books laced with racist comments and inuendo.Could you possibly link me to some of that racist stuff?

Excon

Hello again, Steve:

I guess you could say that attending a dinner that Ayers attended, and calling for 100 Bill Ayers to be in the US Senate IS the same thing, if you were batsh!t crazy.

excon

If that were what I had said, OK. Personally I think it batsh!t crazy to label Cruz a racist, but even racists can have admirable characteristics. I recall much lavish praise bestowed on "Sheets" Byrd over the years by his Dem colleagues and the media and yet every time he's mentioned here we get nothing but the crickets chirping. Cruz was admiring Helms having a spine, something that's sorely lacking in in Congress - most of them must have attended those "group spine removal procedures" like the White House hosts.

Hello again, smoothy:
Could you possibly link me to some of that racist stuff?

excon

Articles: Powered by Hate: Racist Content from Dreams from My Father (http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/06/powered_by_hate_racist_content_from_dreams_from_my _father.html#)!

Articles: Powered by Hate: Racist Content from Dreams from My Father (http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/06/powered_by_hate_racist_content_from_dreams_from_my _father.html#)!
And how did you live your life in college, and who did you hang out with -- and why?

You do know what college is for most of us, right?

***ADDED*** Let's say you are half white and half black. You grow up surrounded by whites. You talk white, you think white, you eat white food, you sleep between white sheets. Then you get into college, look in the mirror, and see a black face. Who are you, really? Are you white? Are you black? And when in your late teens and early twenties, you hang out with various groups and associates to find out.

And how did you live your life in college, and who did you hang out with -- and why?

You do know what college is for most of us, right?

I'm not a public official... and I'm not the president, and it can safely be assumed I won't ever be. I'm 52 and have zero desire to run for any elected office.

I however didn't hang out with terrorists or anyone who would be called radicals... and while I do know someone that's doing life in prison... its because it was a small school district... not because were were ever friends or ever once hung out together.

I'm not a public official.......and I'm not the president.
He wasn't then (in college) either.

The book was published in July 1995 as Obama was preparing to launch his political career in a campaign for an Illinois office. (He wasn't president when he wrote it or got it published.)

He wasn't then (in college) either.

The book was published in July 1995 as Obama was preparing to launch his political career in a campaign for an Illinois office. (He wasn't president when he wrote it or got it published.)

It was PUBLISHED then... but he himself stated he hung out with Weather Undergroud Terrorists and other things while in college. Again... his words... therefore it can be assumed he actually did what he said.

Funny how things can come back to haunt you... when you write an autobiography.

It was PUBLISHED then....but he himself stated he hung out with Weather Undergroud Terrorists and other things while in college. Again...his words....therefore it can be assumed he actually did what he said.

Funny how things can come back to haunt you.....when you write an autobiography.
And whom did YOU hang out with in college?

College is time to experiment. I (Lutheran minister's daughter) hung out with atheists and agnostics -- my parents would have disowned me had they known. I also skipped chapel every Wednesday and slept in on Sunday mornings. My mom's still alive. Don't tell her. (And that's all I'm going to reveal about my college life except that I almost got kicked out after my first semester for failing classes -- after graduating at the top of my class in high school.)

And whom did YOU hang out with in college?

College is time to experiment. I (Lutheran minister's daughter) hung out with atheists and agnostics -- my parents would have disowned me had they known. I also skipped chapel every Wednesday and slept in on Sunday mornings. My mom's still alive. Don't tell her. (And that's all I'm going to reveal about my college life except that I almost got kicked out after my first semester for failing classes -- after graduating at the top of my class in high school.)

Nobody I've ever seen on the news... and quite honeslty... There are only 4 who's names I can remember. They were all roomates at one time or other before I went overseas (we worked at the same employer). None of them ever got more than a speeding ticket.

Nobody I've ever seen on the news
You must not have gone to Harvard. (Neither did I -- although I could have hung out with Pete Seeger when he performed at my college.)

You must not have gone to Harvard. (Neither did I -- although I could have hung out with Pete Seeger when he performed at my college.)

Nope... didn't go to any of the big schools... I was the wrong racial background to get a free ride under affirmative action and the CETA program.. that Obama got .

Poor white people didn't qualify back then so I did what I was able with what I could scrape together.

Yes we both started college at roughly the same time. Being we are only 2 months apart in age.

get a free ride under affirmative action and the CETA program..that Obama got .
You can document that?

You can document that?

Google it... any Black person that applied for it then got it... full tuition and even got paid to sit in class...

I know what it entailed because I tried to get it... and was flat out turned down for it because I wasn't a minority or a welfare recipient. Yes htats the reason they gave.


THis is first hand direct personal experience. Not a handed down story. Do I still have the letters... probibly not... I might but I wouldn't know where it is if it hasn't been lost or burned since 1979. I've only moved over a dozen times since then. Things disappear during moves. Your memories don't.

Google it....any Black person that applied for it then got it.....full tuition and even got paid to sit in class....
In other words, you can't. My Googling tells me he did graduate with a debt of at least $40,000.

In other words, you can't. My Googling tells me he did graduate with a debt of at least $40,000.

Only $40,000 bwahahah... so who paid the rest of it? He claimed to be poor.

He went to Columbia AND harvard... neither of them were inexpensive schools... that wouldn't have got you anywhere near 4 years at either of them even back then. Without even counting living expenses OR textbooks.

Only $40,000 bwahahah.....so who paid the rest of it? He claimed to be poor.

He went to Columbia AND harvard...neither of them were inexpensive schools....that wouldn't have got you anywhere near 4 years at either of them even back then. Without even counting living expenses OR textbooks.
He may have gotten scholarships and grants. I did at my college.

What was the cost for a year at Harvard back then when he attended?

He may have gotten scholarships and grants. I did at my college.

What was the cost for a year at Harvard back then when he attended?

I know what it was for Penn State at in-state rates for the program I took at the scholls I went to back then... and Harvard was far more expensive than that.. Its always been.

You would have easily been over $40K on a 4 year program before books... supplies other fees and room and board instate rates at Penn State.


Which far exceeded the Maximum you could borrow on student loans back then. Because the cap was about 1/2 that... so he didn't owe that in regualr student loans. They wouldn't let you go that far in the hole back then even if you could afford the 8.5% interest..

I know what it was for Penn State at in-state rates...and Harvard was far more expensive than that..
Undergrad tuition and R/B at Harvard from 1989-1991 was about $16,000 a year. He was in the J.D. (grad) program during those years, so probably not much more. (http://vpf-web.harvard.edu/budget/factbook/00-01/page23.html) I was in a grad program at a private school those same years and paid out $25,000.

Now Harvard tuition plus R&B is out of sight.

Undergrad tuition and R/B at Harvard from 1989-1991 was about $16,000 a year. He was in the J.D. (grad) program during those years, so probably not much more. (Undergraduate Tuition Over Time (http://vpf-web.harvard.edu/budget/factbook/00-01/page23.html)) I was in a grad program at a private school those same years and paid out $25,000.

Now Harvard tuition plus R&B is out of sight.

Funny how all his college records are still the greatest national secrets we have... and the only proof we have he ever attended is his word.

Undergrad tuition and R/B at Harvard from 1989-1991 was about $16,000 a year. He was in the J.D. (grad) program during those years, so probably not much more. (Undergraduate Tuition Over Time (http://vpf-web.harvard.edu/budget/factbook/00-01/page23.html)) I was in a grad program at a private school those same years and paid out $25,000.

Now Harvard tuition plus R&B is out of sight.And who paid for that and where did he borrow it because the Federal Student loan program capped out at $10,000 back then, total, not per year. That kept me out of Penn State.

And who paid for that and where did he borrow it because the Federal Student loan program capped out at $10,000 back then, total, not per year. That kept me out of Penn State.
$10,000 total or per year? He would have had to fill out an FAFSA, so the actual "family contribution" (tuition, etc.) would have been less than the full amount. He may have gotten scholarships or grants. He had jobs too.

$10,000 total or per year? He would have had to fill out an FAFSA, so the actual "family contribution" (tuition, etc.) would have been less than the full amount. He may have gotten scholarships or grants. He had jobs too.

Not per year... total... over multiple years. I remember it being $5,000 per callender year... with a $10,000 total limit. That's the student loan part. If it exceded that... you had to get it elsewhere. My parents were working part time jobs because my father... like 30% of the reviously employed working people where I grew up... were laid off in Jimmy Carters wonderful economy. And had been for a number of years.


But as a white person... that was enough to disqualify us for any aid. Even though we had to eat pasta 3 - 4 times a week to be able to pay the mortgage and bills.

Yes... affirmative action was very racist and very unfairly pushed around in the beinning (based on quotas... not merit)... and it never really got a lot better. And Financial aid followed many of the same guidelines then too.


You were a bit older... and were through this before it hit when I came of age... but it was so bad there is a lot of bitterness from those of us screwed during that era.

Not per year.....total....over multiple years. I remember it being $5,000 per callender year...with a $10,000 total limit. THats the student loan part. If it exceded that...you had to get it elsewhere.
And that might be undergrad only. Harvard for him was a grad program, and there is no federal help or loose money to pay tuition, etc. (I tried like heck to find money to borrow but couldn't/didn't when I went to grad school.)

And that might be undergrad only. Harvard for him was a grad program, and there is no federal help or loose money to pay tuition, etc. (I tried like heck to find money to borrow but couldn't/didn't when I went to grad school.)

Probibly... how much I could borrow basically dictated where I could attend... but that was definitely undergrad... meant to help people get to college... but not pay for everything... it definitely expanded in the years since.

Minorities could have everything paid under CETA if they wanted to go during that period... and not have to pay back a dime...

Yes I knew people that took advantage of it... a couple people in my College classes were in it.

Most of the grants back then were geared to who you knew... if you didn't have the right people vouching for you... you got nothing. I have no idea if it's the same way now or not.

And the high school guidance office was less than worthless.

Most of the grants back then were geared to who you knew.....if you didn't have the right people vouching for you....you got nothing. I have no idea if its the saem way now or not.
There are rumors all over the internet that this sheik or that lawyer MAY HAVE paid for Obama undergrad and grad programs. The next time he's in town, I will give him a call and ask how he paid for his schooling. (And I would too, if I could.)

My son's freshman year in 1993 cost us about $19,000 (minus the FAFSA reductions). By senior year, his college costs were in the mid twenties. Now it's over $47,000 at that college for a year. There's something rotten in Denmark...

There are rumors all over the internet that this sheik or that lawyer MAY HAVE paid for Obama undergrad and grad programs. The next time he's in town, I will give him a call and ask how he paid for his schooling. (And I would too, if I could.)

My son's freshman year in 1993 cost us about $19,000 (minus the FAFSA reductions). By senior year, his college costs were in the mid twenties. Now it's over $47,000 at that college for a year. There's something rotten in Denmark....

I haven't heard any of those...

But yeah... stupid expensive. $47K sounds like GW University... but maybe they are over $50K now a year

I haven't heard any of those.....

But yeah...stupid expensive. $47K sounds like GW University.....but maybe they are over $50K now a year
And my son's college is just some small-town private college in the middle of nowhere (think Illinois cornfields) -- but it got a name for itself during the Lincoln-Douglas debates and because of Obama's speechifying there (twice now).

Obamas a racist...read the books he wrote.

I haven't read them. Does he talk about 'blood types' and percentages?

I haven't read them. Does he talk about 'blood types' and percentages?

I provided a link earlier for someone that went into each of them.

I provided a link earlier for someone that went into each of them.


I read the link. Apparently he doesn't. In colloquial terms I guess we can say that,
"He don't, but you do"

I read the link. Apparently he doesn't. In colloquial terms I guess we can say that,
"He don't, but you do"

How you can come to that conclusion after reading that is beyond understanding.

He flat out said it.. he wasn't being cutesy with the English language... so what was written was written at face value.

Though many Democrats view it like one... it wasn't written in parables like the Bible.

How you can come to that conclusion after reading that is beyond understanding.

He flat out said it..he wasn't being cutesy with the English language...so what was written was written at face value.

Though many Democrats view it like one...it wasn't written in parables like the Bible.

I didn't come to that conclusion. The question I asked you originally was in relation to blood types and percentages. The conclusion I drew was that he doesn't talk about those things. Based on your previous postings, you do talk about those things.

I didn't come to that conclusion. The question I asked you originally was in relation to blood types and percentages. The conclusion I drew was that he doesn't talk about those things. Based on your previous postings, you do talk about those things.
I don't remember actually commenting on that specific question. Nor do I remember if he did or not in either autobiography.

Its been a long day and I'm tired. And my wife is in one of those moods where certain middle eastern customs might start to sound reasonable at the moment.

In spite of the recent SCOTUS ruling Holder is going after NC now (http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2013/09/29/4353568/us-justice-department-suit-aims.html#.Ukl8in_b2nO). Instead of moving on like most of us Holder wants to keep the race war going... in spite of evidence that minority turnout increased (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/voter-id-suppression-678733-112.html#post3543277) after voter ID enacted in Georgia.


The federal government will charge that the state was “willfully discriminatory” when it passed the law. Part of that charge is a 2013 analysis by the N.C. Board of Elections, which said that more than 300,000 registered voters did not have a DMV-issued ID.

In addition to asking that the Voter ID law be struck down, the Justice Department is seeking to have North Carolina put back on the “preclearance” list that requires the federal government to approve changes to voter laws.

I personally think this whole objection to voter ID is just as irrational as the preclearance rule SCOTUS struck down. I'm sure those of with an interest prolonging a racial divide will tell me how discriminatory it is because blacks for some reason can't seem to come up with an ID like most everyone else.

North Carolina NAACP held a protest in Raleigh NC yesterday to protest among other things ,voter photo id laws.
Multitude at 'Moral March' protest NC GOP policies - News-Record.com: News (http://www.news-record.com/news/article_f9395b16-90f4-11e3-92ce-0017a43b2370.html)
Before the protest ,they published a list of Do's and Don'ts for the rally . Most are practical suggestions designed to keep the rally safe and peaceful . However ,there is one ironic suggestion in the "Do's " list .... scroll down to suggestion 9
http://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/naacpnc/pages/190/attachments/original/1390857331/Dos_and_Donts_for_Marchers.pdf?1390857331

You just can't make this stuff up.

Hello again, wrongwingers:

Because I DON'T think being required to show an ID in order to VOTE is legal or fair, means that I think carrying an ID anywhere is stupid..

To THINK, that's what we THINK, is STUPID, STUPID, STUPID.. I'm not making THAT up.

excon

And here I thought asking someone to carry a photo id was racist . Organized objections to showing ID at the polls are madesolely to enable vote fraud. You know it and I know it .

Sorry, but I think failing to protect the integrity of the election is STUPID, STUPID, STUPID, which is odd coming from people that still think Bush stole the 2000 election and suggest, or require as Dems do for their events, ID.

Hello again,


Sorry, but I think failing to protect the integrity of the election is STUPID, STUPID, STUPID,If you could only SHOW me wide spread fraud, or even a LITTLE fraud, I'd agree. But, to make a law that protects us from a crime that ISN'T HAPPENING, is STUPID, STUPID, and even STUPIDER than that.

Plus, BUSH won the election in the COURTS - NOT because right wingers voted twice. How do you NOT know that??

excon

Show me how requiring id is suppression. You guys require it for everything but voting, why is that?

What is the problem with voter identification? When I go to the polls I have to identify myself, no problem. It seems you have a high level of chicanery associated with elections but you have so many of them any problems should have been sorted by now. I think it is all an excuse to be racist

The Dems can't register illegals if they have to show id .

so, why should illegals vote? I thought voting is for citizens

Florida's latest voter purge bid draws criticism (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/01/14/florida-purge-voter-rolls/4470685/)


In 2012, at Scott's behest, the state attempted to purge non-U.S. citizens from voter rolls in an effort he said to address voter fraud. The state's list of potential non-citizens began with 182,000 names but later was reduced to as few as about 200. The effort was halted before the presidential election in the wake of opposition from Florida's elections supervisors and a flurry of lawsuits.

Ensuring integrity with shenanigans? Conservatives lose credibility about voter ID laws when the engage in many other tactics to suppress the vote, AND publicly admit its to WIN elections. Like those guys in PA did.

Top Pennsylvania Republican Admits Voter ID Helped Suppress Obama Voters | ThinkProgress (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/07/17/2313571/top-pennsylvania-republican-admits-voter-id-helped-suppress-obama-voters/)


Last year, Pennsylvania Republican House Leader Mike Turzai (R-PA) admitted (http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/06/25/505953/pennsylvania-republican-voter-id-laws-are-gonna-allow-governor-romney-to-win/) that voter identification efforts were designed to suppress Democratic votes, telling a Republican Steering Committee meeting that Voter ID “is gonna allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania, done.”Romney ended up losing the state, but Republicans still believe that they successfully kept Democrats from supporting President Obama. As Pennsylvania's GOP Chairman Rob Gleason told Pennsylvania Cable Network earlier this week, the party “cut Obama by 5 percent” in 2012 and “probably Voter ID had helped a bit in that (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XreSZvgdZwA&feature=youtu.be).” Watch it:


Integrity?? You be the judge.

Hello again,

You know what pisses me off??? Voters who can't read. Talk about voter INTEGRITY. How much integrity can there be when the person voting doesn't even know WHY he's voting??? I don't care if he has an ID or not, I wanna make sure he can read.

That's fair, isn't it? You don't want DUMMIES voting, do you?

excon

come on ex you know you are either voting for the Elephant in the room or making a Donkey vote, pictures are good enough for this. How many people could read when your nation was formed, it wasn't a requirement then, why should it be a requirement now? Just so you can exclude people from the polls, hell, maybe them red neck republicans can't read, but I expect you thought of that You claim a 99% literacy rate over there EX, that means people can read of course we don't really know what they were measuring do we? being as so many people can't comprehend what they read

Heaven forbid the dead lose their right to vote ( liberals think the right to vote doesn't end at death)... or the illegals, or people that aren't even legal residents of that state to vote.

If anyone cared about fair elections and reducing fraud... they would WANT to make sure everyone voting was entitled to vote.

And the sob stories about the poor... get real... they need id's to apply for handouts, fod stamps, welfare, SSI , to cash checks, do business with a bank, rent anything, and almost everythig else. They can cough up that same ID at the voting locations as well.

there is no comparison between voter id and literacy laws. Citizens are allowed to vote regardless of their literacy rate. There is no inherent hardship in being required to prove you are eligible to vote ,and voter Id is the most logical means to accomplish that .

literacy isn't an issue unless the US has been lying to the world about literacy levels, you alledge you have a 99% literacy rate, we can conduct free and fair elections with ID at a literacy rate of 96%, no, this issue is about electoral whorting

There is no fraud in purging non-citizens off the voter rolls, they don't have the right to vote.

Ex brought it up because in our past ,literacy tests were used to exclude Black voters. It is an irrelevent moot point now because literacy tests have been outlawed as a prerequisite . (Voting Rights Act of 1965)

seems all you guys do is rehash history

seems all you guys do is rehash history

Better than rewriting history.

oh I think you do a lot of that too

oh I think you do a lot of that too

Both sides do but the left specializes in it.

Both sides do but the left specializes in it.

45649

Well that was helpful. Now would you go troll someone else?

You don't know what a troll is old man LOL. Have a great day!

just trollin by the ol' mill stream

You don't know what a troll is old man LOL. Have a great day!7

Yet another personal insult, such a shallow mind you have.

yes he is trollin in shallow waters

Hello again,

According to our resident right wingers, voter ID is NOT voter suppression... I couldn't BELIEVE that they BELIEVED that, because - because...... Because it made NO sense on it's face. Just like I CAN'T believe THEY believe that trap laws are designed to PROTECT women instead of making war on them... But, I digress...

Here's ONE Republican (http://http://host.madison.com/news/local/writers/jack_craver/dale-schultz-i-am-not-willing-to-defend-them-anymore/article_7c3598f2-ae16-11e3-8097-0019bb2963f4.html#ixzz2wLaqzsKE)that understands. He believes the party should develop IDEAS that attract voters, instead of winning by SCREWING them over...

excon

can't open the link . But Rep Schultz was the ONLY Repubic to vote against the Walker tax cut plan . So we have a good idea where his true loyalties lie. Another RINO. Good riddance Schultz.

Hello again, tom:

Try here (http://http://host.madison.com/news/local/writers/jack_craver/dale-schultz-i-am-not-willing-to-defend-them-anymore/article_7c3598f2-ae16-11e3-8097-0019bb2963f4.html#ixzz2wLaqzsKE).

excon

still not working .. But I looked it up. Like I said , good riddance . The story in Wisconsin is not this malcontent . Dale Schultz is peeved because he got primaried. Now he's retiring . The story in Wisconsin is how Scott Walker has survived endless assaults by his opponents ;including a couple of recall efforts ...and effectively turned the state around to a point that it is running huge budget surpluses that he will now return to the taxpayers in the form of property and income tax cuts.
here is the link you are refering to...
Dale Schultz: 'I am not willing to defend them anymore' : Ct (http://host.madison.com/news/local/writers/jack_craver/dale-schultz-i-am-not-willing-to-defend-them-anymore/article_7c3598f2-ae16-11e3-8097-0019bb2963f4.html)

and here is the real news out of Wisconsin ...
Assembly approves tax cut plan, sends it to Scott Walker (http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/final-passage-expected-today-for-gov-scott-walker-tax-cut-proposal-b99227193z1-250770321.html)


GOP Sen. Dale Schultz of Richland Center joining all Democrats in voting against the proposal.


like I said ..RINO

Under Scott Walker, Wisconsin keeps increasing its long-term borrowing : Ct (http://host.madison.com/news/local/writers/mike_ivey/under-scott-walker-wisconsin-keeps-increasing-its-long-term-borrowing/article_17c3d58a-2d3a-11e3-90fe-001a4bcf887a.html)

Has Scott Walker Really Turned Around Wisconsin? | Newgeography.com (http://www.newgeography.com/content/004176-has-scott-walker-really-turned-around-wisconsin)

A balanced budget sounds nice but digging through his budget it's on the backs of its children and heavy borrowing. I know posting a link to his actual budget will go unread for the more favored ideological rhetoric, but here it is any way.

https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/2013/related/acts/20

Fact checking Gov. Scott Walker's budget address and Democratic attacks | PolitiFact Wisconsin (http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/article/2013/feb/22/fact-checking-gov-scott-walkers-budget-address-and/)


Walker's 2011-'13 budget is running a small surplus.

But his proposed 2013-'15 budget will be in the hole by $2.64 billion by the end of its second year, as page 33 of his budget summary (http://www.doa.state.wi.us/debf/pdf_files/bib1315.pdf) shows.

The projected deficit is based not on traditional governmental accounting, but on private-sector GAAP accounting, which Walker in his 2010 campaign had promised to use to truly balance the budget. We gave him a Promise Broken (http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/promises/walk-o-meter/promise/561/require-use-of-accepted-accounting-principles-to-b/) on the Walk-O-Meter for not doing so.

The Journal Sentinel reported that using more comprehensive accounting practices, the state GAAP deficit would grow to $2.64 billion from $2.06 billion, an increase of 29% over two years.

The GAAP (http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2012/jan/29/scott-walker/gov-scott-walker-says-he-eliminated-wisconsins-36-/) number is briefly mentioned in the budget book every year. The governor is under legal obligation to present a balanced budget according to the traditional accounting, and Walker has done that.

http://www.wisconsinbudgetproject.org/

Further I might add that he is hoping to enact new voter laws that will help him get re elected as governor. The Koch's are very grateful for their tax cuts.

Votor ID only suppresses the votes of those people who legally don't have the right to vote in the first place.

#1. The dead. They gave that up the day they died. If voting mattered they would have stayed alive.
#2. The Illegals. They aren't Citizens and as such never had the right to vote. And still don't.
#3.The People vote vote in multiple states or multiple times. Its illegal to vote in elections more than once... period... no right exists to vote as many times as you wish.. despite assertations from Democrats that you do..

Since you have no evidence of any of your assertions making this a problem, its suppression.

I think your type of response to what I said is evidence I was completely correct... because the democrats think all of those three groups SHOULD be allowed to vote as often as they want.

Otherwise there would be no objections... because no legal votors would be suppressed.

because the democrats think all of those three groups SHOULD be allowed to vote as often as they want.How do you know what 125 million people think?

How do you know what 125 million people think?
It doesn't matter what dead people and the illegals think... or anyone else... the law is the law... Dead people don't vote.. illegals don't vote... and anyone else that's legally allowed to vote only get to vote once.

Otherwise they are all lawbreakers.

Canada doesn't alow you to cast as many votes as your want for every election. You get one..and only one.

We don't either.

Since you have no evidence of any of your assertions making this a problem, its suppression.


Lets see how this pans out. Who knows ?????


How Did Woman Who Died in 2008 Vote In 2010 Election? – Consumerist (http://consumerist.com/2014/03/11/how-did-woman-who-died-in-2008-vote-in-2010-election/)

Michigan woman's mummified body found in her car six years after her death | The Raw Story (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/03/07/michigan-womans-mummified-body-found-in-her-car-six-years-after-her-death/)

I hope this isn't evidence of the spread voter fraud that makes a need of targeted suppression.

It doesn't matter what dead people and the illegals think... or anyone else... the law is the law... Dead people don't vote.. illegals don't vote... and anyone else that's legally allowed to vote only get to vote once.

Otherwise they are all lawbreakers.

Canada doesn't alow you to cast as many votes as your want for every election. You get one..and only one.

We don't either.

what I don't get is how could the dead voting be in sufficient numbers to make a difference, is the zombie vote an important minority vote where you live?

on the lighter side we found someone who had voted 13 times in the last election, a seriel voter, who would have thought

Hello again,

Look. It's ok with me if you say you wanna suppress the vote because it gives you an advantage. That's because it DOES. It's OBVIOUS what it is. You CAN'T really believe it's to stop dead people from voting...

While I'm on the subject, it's ok with me if you say that trap laws close down abortion clinics, and THAT'S a DESIRED result. But, to BELIEVE that they're designed for the health of women, is UNBELIEVABLE...

So, I just wanna know if I'm dealing with REALISTS here, or people who drank kool aid by the gallons..

excon

what I don't get is how could the dead voting be in sufficient numbers to make a difference, is the zombie vote an important minority vote where you live? on the lighter side we found someone who had voted 13 times in the last election, a seriel voter, who would have thought THey are part of the Vote early, vote often crowd Babara Boxer and Nancy pelosi talked about... THe dead aren't actually voting.. its the living that's voting multiple times... and on their behalf... because they don't have to prove who they are at the polls some places. Vote Early, Vote Often: Shock Video Shows How Easy It Is to Vote Illegally, as Eric Holder - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bNUez-ZQA0) here is a video explaining how it works.

suppress the vote? for a moment I thought I was back on the IRS scandal op. Now that was wholesale vote suppression !

Don't know how it works where you are but we have an electoral role and you have to identify yourself against that, these roles are automatically maintained by the electoral office so registered deaths are automatically struck off, the parties are very active scouring the nursing homes to gain postal votes and actively promote postal voting, but then this is what is possible in a centralised system where there is no local interferrence. If you are to vote multiple times you are just being an idiot because you will be fined for electoral fraud and if you fail to vote you will also be fined so no incentive for someone to steal your vote.

Don't know how it works where you are but we have an electoral role and you have to identify yourself against that, these roles are automatically maintained by the electoral office so registered deaths are automatically struck off, the parties are very active scouring the nursing homes to gain postal votes and actively promote postal voting, but then this is what is possible in a centralised system where there is no local interferrence. If you are to vote multiple times you are just being an idiot because you will be fined for electoral fraud and if you fail to vote you will also be fined so no incentive for someone to steal your vote. And I think that is a GREAT idea... and would support it, as would most conservatives. The Liberals here however want nothing to do with anything like that... they don't even want people to be required to show a legal ID. The only excuse to do such.. is the desire to continue allowing wholesale voting fraud. Committed by their side. Thats how Al Frankin stole an election...and how Obama got voted in twice just to name two.

That's not entirely true smoothy since many forms of ID have been used for goods and service, but when you specify a different criteria for ID and what it takes to obtain them you put many into a trick bag to comply. I mean its kind of obvious when you allow a hunters license to suffice but not a state college ID, and cut early voting to create longer lines in some communities, and also close some DMV's in more populated areas, and move them to more rural ones, are just examples of targeting voter suppression by the republicans who make these laws.

I am for a national ID but not with the shenanigans, and agenda that goes with them. Especially when republican party leaders have stated the goal was to help republicans win elections. Now you can ignore all of that, but you cannot ignore the ruling of many court across the nation that have already struck down these laws as being prejudicial, and unconstitutional.

Not that you guys won't stop trying.

And I think that is a GREAT idea... and would support it, as would most conservatives. The Liberals here however want nothing to do with anything like that... they don't even want people to be required to show a legal ID. The only excuse to do such.. is the desire to continue allowing wholesale voting fraud. Committed by their side. Thats how Al Frankin stole an election...and how Obama got voted in twice just to name two.

the liberals here are fine with it, they don't have to pressure voters to turnout and can focus on the issues

I actually like the concept of everyone voting Clete, but I have always pointed out that the size of your population as compared to ours means you have less logistical nightmares than we do. We also have 50 independent jurisdictions to contend with and some are more proficient than others in the fair department.

But we have had voting rights issues since the founding, and still haven't gotten it right.

the liberals here are fine with it, they don't have to pressure voters to turnout and can focus on the issuesTHey might forcus on the issues In Australia... out our way they follow the school of "if you can't dazzle them with brilliance, then baffle them with BS". The democrats stopped trying to dazzle people a long time ago... they go straight to the baffle them with BS part these days.

That was a kind of partisan assessment smoothy, seeing as how no new ideas come from your side, but plenty of BS has been produced. In truth neither side has addressed the real issues as elections are always looming on the horizon, so more BS is expected from all the ruling class elites.

We have lots of new ideas... the partisan hacks that jokingly call themselves journalists refuse to bring them to common public knowledge.

And proof what I said is not partisan... just look at EVERYTHING that has come out of the Obama administration... there has not been a more partisan administration in the history of this country.

Its foolish to expect a liberal to act in the way a conservative, and equally foolish to think conservatives will act in a liberal way, but the real issue is no compromise position can be attained and that's the way its supposed to work.

Even the Voter ID laws can be reconciled if you would recognize the suppression of particular targeted groups. One of the reasons you get sued is the narrow minded focus of winning an election and justifying it with integrity of the vote. The rhetoric doesn't match the facts, and the courts rule against your version of cause and effects and the outcomes you want being DEVIOUS, and prejudicial.

You have never answered the effects of moving DMV's from heavier mostly minority enclaves to rural setting. Nor have you disclosed that all those free ID's require money and the ability to travel outside the dwellings of most city bound public transportation centers to buy those documents to get a free ID. The most egregious, and most devious tactic is the time table is always just before the next election.

Expect more lawsuits.

THis fictitious suppressed group?

THe Illegals? THe Dead people? Or the group that feels they are entitled to more than one vote per person? Other than those there is no group anyone is trying to suppress. And none of those three groups are entitled to do what they want anyway.

What about non driving poor working people. Of course you ignore those groups which are predominately minorities and democratic voters.

Really... exactly how do poor people apply for or collect benefits of any type.. without an ID? Oh... thats why.. we are talking the illegals... and those poor working dead folk... who are upset they won't be allowed to vote as often as they want. Not US citizens. Who actually have a heartbeat.

You don't get food stamps, welfare, subsidized housing or any other handout without having an ID when you apply for them. You have to have one when you apply for a job because the employer is legally required to verify a lot of things. THe poor working folk you talk of all have ID's.

It's the dead people that can't get their renewed... and the Illegals that aren't entitled to one... and local jurisdictions frown upon people having more than one.

Just admit it... opposing votor ID is all about supporting voter fraud.

Hello again,

Allegations of widespread voter fraud often prove greatly exaggerated. It is easy to grab headlines with a lurid claim (That's how Franken and Obama WON!). Yet on closer examination, many of the claims of voter fraud amount to a great deal of smoke without much fire. They simply do not pan out. (http://www.brennancenter.org/publication/truth-about-voter-fraud)

The link is to a REPORT by the Brennan Center for Justice at the New York University School of Law.

Here's a portion:

Allegations of election-related fraud make for enticing press. Many Americans remember vivid stories of
voting improprieties in Chicagoland, or the suspiciously sudden appearance of LBJ's alphabetized ballot box
in Texas, or Governor Earl Long's quip: “When I die, I want to be buried in Louisiana, so I can stay active
in politics.” Voter fraud, in particular, has the feel of a bank heist caper: roundly condemned but technically
fascinating, and sufficiently lurid to grab and hold headlines.

Perhaps because these stories are dramatic, voter fraud makes a popular scapegoat. In the aftermath of a close
election, losing candidates are often quick to blame voter fraud for the results. Legislators cite voter fraud as
justification for various new restrictions on the exercise of the franchise. And pundits trot out the same few
anecdotes time and again as proof that a wave of fraud is imminent.


It may be a little much for our non reality based community.. You know, a study from an actual university, and all.

excon

yeah no reason to be suspicious when absentee ballots mysteriously appear in trunks of cars during recounts.

Typical Democrat stratagy... misdirect or try to change the subject.

#1. Dead people aren't allowed to vote.
#2. Illegals aren't allowed to vote.
#3 The remaining people who actually do have the right to vote... are only allowed to vote once... not as many times as they can each election.

Nobody is trying to deny THEM the right to vote... Showing proof of who you are only ensures they have the right to vote.

The so-called poor manage to find ID's when it comes time to get free stuff or apply for free stuff. They can break out that same ID when its time to vote.

Hello again,

It is more likely that a person will get struck by lightning, than it is for him to impersonate another voter The above from a study (http://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/legacy/The%20Truth%20About%20Voter%20Fraud.pdf) by the Brennan Center For Justice at New York University School of Law.

It's, you know, a REAL STUDY. I thought I'd mention it again lest it be ignored.

excon

votes cast exceed the number of registered voters in some precincts in Philly ... nothing there ...move on.

The Dems even steal elections from each other .
Troubling actions by Board of Elex members  - NY Daily News (http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/troubling-actions-board-elex-members-article-1.1108812)

Hello again,

I can HEAR you. You KNOW I'm in the room, don't you? I guess I have to post MORE of the, uhhh STUDY, from a REAL University. You seem to be IGNORING it. Guess what? I ain't gonna let ya.


These inflated claims are not harmless. Crying “wolf ” when the allegations are unsubstantiated distracts attention from real problems that need real solutions. If we can move beyond the fixation on voter fraud, we will be able to focus on the real changes our elections need, from universal registration all the way down to sufficient parking at the poll site.

Moreover, these claims of voter fraud are frequently used to justify policies that do not solve the alleged
wrongs, but that could well disenfranchise legitimate voters. Overly restrictive identification requirements for voters at the polls — which address a sort of voter fraud more rare than death by lightning — is only the
most prominent example.


Over to you, wingers..

excon

Okay keep ignoring what the judges have said case, after case, where your headlines and hollering have LOST as legal arguments over, and over, and over again.

NOW explain THAT!

you won't get my ear arguing that if a judge says it ,it must be so. I don't see their power as absolute as you do.

The Brennan Center is Wrong: Voter Fraud is a Real Threat to Every Citizen's Constitutional Rights (http://www.nationalcenter.org/NPA642.html)

got a bit of a problem with judicial integrity do we

Well heck Tom, you can call the judge wrong, but you have to appeal it. That's just the law, and the process. I mean you guys are arguing you're right AFTER being JUDGED wrong, AGAIN, AND AGAIN, AND AGAIN.

Oh, your link is from 2012, after the judge said you guy were WRONG!!

Yes Tom likes to rely older thoughts

Shock News!!!! That Voter Fraud Which Has Never Been Proven Has Happened Again!!! | suyts space (http://suyts.wordpress.com/2014/03/19/shock-news-that-voter-fraud-which-has-never-been-proven-has-happened-again/) Its been proven to be real over and over again... its only the democrats that have everything to lose that keep denying it. THis was only ONE district that was looked closely at...and it was by an NBC affiliate. NBC is a left wing network.

Hello again, tom:

Here's the deal.. I quoted a real study, done by people who have NO stake in the outcome... Why it's real, is because the facts and it's conclusions can be VERIFIED. I'm NOT surprised that you can't tell the difference between scholarly work, and opinion by a partisan hack.

excon

Hello again, tom:

Here's the deal.. I quoted a real study, done by people who have NO stake in the outcome... Why it's real, is because the facts and it's conclusions can be VERIFIED. I'm NOT surprised that you can't tell the difference between scholarly work, and opinion by a partisan hack.

excon

The "partisan hack " referenced The Pew Research center as his source:


Pew Research Center is a nonpartisan fact tank that informs the public about the issues, attitudes and trends shaping America and the world. It conducts public opinion polling, demographic research, media content analysis and other empirical social science research. Pew Research does not take policy positions.
About the Pew Research Center | Pew Research Center (http://www.pewresearch.org/about/)
Among their findings according to the "non-partisan " NY Slimes is that

One in eight active registrations is invalid or inaccurate. At the same time, one in four people who are eligible to vote — at least 51 million potential voters — are not registered. The report found that there are about 1.8 million dead people listed as active voters. Some 2.8 million people have active registrations in more than one state. And 12 million registrations have errors serious enough to make it unlikely that mailings based on them will reach voters.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/14/us/politics/us-voter-registration-rolls-are-in-disarray-pew-report-finds.html?_r=0
There is a way to fix this ,but the Dems resist it because they rely on the game being rigged.

There is a way to fix this
How?

Shock News!!!! That Voter Fraud Which Has Never Been Proven Has Happened Again!!! | suyts space (http://suyts.wordpress.com/2014/03/19/shock-news-that-voter-fraud-which-has-never-been-proven-has-happened-again/) Its been proven to be real over and over again... its only the democrats that have everything to lose that keep denying it. THis was only ONE district that was looked closely at...and it was by an NBC affiliate. NBC is a left wing network.

So the solution is another purge?

Florida's latest voter purge bid draws criticism (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/01/14/florida-purge-voter-rolls/4470685/)


In 2012, at Scott's behest, the state attempted to purge non-U.S. citizens from voter rolls in an effort he said to address voter fraud. The state's list of potential non-citizens began with 182,000 names but later was reduced to as few as about 200. The effort was halted before the presidential election in the wake of opposition from Florida's elections supervisors and a flurry of lawsuits.

Now you find 94(?).

How many will you purge from certain zip codes this time?

now the Brennan Center also describes itself as 'nonpartisan ' . Then further on they say .....

A singular institution — part think tank, part public interest law firm, part advocacy group, part communications hub — the Brennan Center seeks meaningful, measurable change in the systems by which our nation is governed.

http://www.brennancenter.org/about
Indeed . It's named after one of the most liberal judges to ever serve in SCOTUS ,Justice William J. Brennan, Jr. and the biggest proponent of the so called 'Living Constitution'.

So you may think that the study was just some academic research ... But now you know better . The authors had a point of view and looked for "facts " to support it. Oh ;one more thing ....The price tag for the report? George Soros's Open Society Foundations gave the Brennan Center $7,466,000 from 2000 to 2010. New York University also received $2,819,540 during this same time period. That's a total of $10, 285,540.

So the solution is another purge? Florida's latest voter purge bid draws criticism (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/01/14/florida-purge-voter-rolls/4470685/) Now you find 94(?). How many will you purge from certain zip codes this time? Solution is arresting the people who illegally registered to vote... toss them in jail for a few months followed by immediate deportation upon their release for those who were illegals... for those voting numerous times as citizens... a bit longer in jail followed by a permanent loss of voting privledges. And a lengthy prison sentence if they get caught a second time. THe story I quoted they found far more than 94 and it was in a single voting district...and there is zero reason to expect it is unique to just that one. Extrapolated percentage wize according to population...it could easily be over 600K illegal votes....near all of which were democrat votes. Al Frankan should not be in office ...and never should have...nor should Obama and quite a few other democrats. Because the fraud ammounts far exceede the margins they won by.

Hello smoothy:

Solution is arresting the people who illegally registered to vote..

I'm gonna throw some real common sense at you, and you're STILL gonna deny what I say is true..

Obama is deporting illegal aliens at TWICE the rate of George W. Bush. I don't like it, but so far, he's sent 2 MILLION of 'em packing.. Now, just pretend you're ONE of them.. If you were, you really don't want ANY confrontations with local authorities. You stay AWAY from situations like that. You don't want to put yourself into a position of getting caught and sent back...

So, if you're THIS person, would you walk into a state registrars office and show whatever ID you have and demand to be registered???? No. Of COURSE, you wouldn't. Nobody would.

But, you're gonna tell me that illegals DO, and they do it in numbers that matter. Ummm, umm, ummm..

excon

Now I get it. Cut fraud and make it hard for legal American's who are minorities, and young people to vote, and you guys can take your country back. Brilliant plan but we knew that was the plan. See you in court again.

That's what he claims... He also claims the economy is doing great and unemployment is lower than it was under Bush. All of which are also lies. https://www.numbersusa.com/content/news/february-12-2013/how-obama-administration-inflates-deportation-statistics.html Sorry... but this administration hasn't been honest about anything. I can't give the benefit of the doubt to any administration as deceptive and crooked as this one has been. And before you say it....I don't blindly take any politicians word for anything. Incidently....those lies were uncovered by no less than the Washington comPost, one to the two largest lefty newpapers in the USA. Most of its employees either get wood or leave snail trails at the sound of Obamas voice or picture.

time to buy a fresh box of grapes those ones you have are a little sour

Hardly sour... what the Democrats are doing is trying to force feed Koolaid to the rest of us. Despite their own people discrediting "The Messiahs" outlandish lies.

your press must be a little rabid over there, comes from being too close to the centres of power

Now you find 94(?).

How many will you purge from certain zip codes this time?

Heh, nice false choice to offer. 94 from a small sampling from a local news reporter. But, I guess if you're not for ensuring the integrity of our democratic process, you have to believe that's the only place in the US that's happening... except for the many other examples found in Ohio, NY, Texas, and anywhere one can look.

So, my question, to those who don't think this is a problem is how many fraudulent votes are acceptable to you? How many times should one be allowed to vote in the same election, like the lady in Ohio? Or, how many people can have their names fraudulently registered and voted for, as they did in NY? And, how many illegals are okay to vote and you believe we still have a proper democratic process?

For those ignorant of what happened in Florida, voter rolls were purged because of the absence of a voter ID law, which would make a purge mostly unnecessary, but wouldn't protect us from people like the lady from Virginia who voted there and then in Florida, as well, in the last presidential election. I'm sure it's a coincidence, but, of the examples I cited, all were Dem voters... the same who bitterly oppose voter ID laws... odd, isn't it?

For those who wish for the people of the US to have faith in our democratic process, the easiest way to get a voter ID law passed is to start emulating Dems. I advocate that Repubs start registering everyone in all graveyards.

As to the original post, yes, I would fully expect more Repub success if dead people, illegals, and multi-voters were prohibited from corrupting our representative democracy, as would any rational person.

As to the original post, yes, I would fully expect more Repub success if dead people, illegals, and multi-voters were prohibited from corrupting our representative democracy, as would any rational person.

so your hypothesis is that only democracts are corrupt and attempt to corrupt the electoral process? is this just rhetoric(B/S) or can you give us some statistics proving that there were no illegal votes lodged for republicans?

Clete regardless of who corrupts the process ,if there is fraud, the process is corrupted. There is nothing more important that the integrity of the vote. That's what's supposed to separate us from the ballot in Crimea. Voter photo id is a good start until some future date when biometric id replaces it.

Yes sure use the drivers licence, passport or whatever other photo id might be about but don't add another tier of regulation. I know some people might not have photo id, like they may need some other form of id to establish bona fides but the process shouldn't be made difficult, and simple photo and stat. declaration if no other means can be established The right to vote must be upheld over the need to regulate

agreed . However ,even those common sense provisions are opposed by the Dems. The only conclusion I can draw is that they prefer to overlook voter fraud . Could it be because they benefit when voting districts report over 100% participation ;or when trunk loads of absentee ballots suddenly appear during close election recounts ?

your press must be a little rabid over there, comes from being too close to the centres of power

I'd call it a lot more more than being a little bit rabid... its more like being just a little bit dead... or a little bit pregnant.

In fact I don't know how they have the guts to call themselves journalists its so bad.

yesterday it was revealed that before the emperor's press sec ,Jay Carney answers questions ,journalists submit the questions in writing .... Sometimes the WH prints his responses for them before the Q&A sessions begin. They are poodles . They so fear retaliation from this adm that they willingly distort the news ,slanting it in favor of the emperor ;or just not reporting it at all.

How else can the 1st Lady (the new Evita ) take her rainbow tour to China ,and not have ANY US PRESS accompany her ? Don't give me the bs that this is a vacation. She is going to meet with her counterpart ;and the US taxpayer is paying for the trip.

trunk loads of absentee ballots

we are getting a little emotive here Tom arn't we. what I think you are saying is the counting process isn't properly supervised

we are getting a little emotive here Tom arn't we. what I think you are saying is the counting process isn't properly supervised
Actually he's not kidding... it happened when Al Frankan was losing his recount... when Surprise a trunkload of ballots from a Democrat officials car is found? No control what so ever of ballots after they are cast apparently... and absolutely no questioning when they "turn up " just when needed and as needed.

Happened in lots of other places too.

Same people sell Oceanfront Property in Kansas too.

let's be clear a truckload does not fit in a car so we are saying a significant quantity as I was saying the process is not properly supervised. You see, living in a place with a sophisticated electoral system, I cannot comprehend the level of corruption apparently associated with your electoral system. If you have a system where votes can be withheld or introduced into the count then you can never be certain of anything

what I meant was that absentee ballots fortuitously were found in a Dem poll worker's car trunk and helped Franken win a Senate seat. and yes I wrote "trunk load " not 'truck load'.

what I meant was that absentee ballots fortuitously were found in a Dem poll worker's car trunk and helped Franken win a Senate seat. and yes I wrote "trunk load " not 'truck load'.
What if those ballots had helped the Repub candidate win?

What if those ballots had helped the Repub candidate win?

Then you would have read about it every day in every newspaper in the country for the rest of the term.