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Unknown008
Jun 7, 2009, 04:00 AM
LOL, I know, even if her gets on my nerves sometimes! :p

shazamataz
Jun 7, 2009, 04:17 AM
Just a little something...

88sunflower
Jun 7, 2009, 04:27 AM
Thanks Alty for the update.

Shaz that was so beautiful. I am sure that goes for every last one of us that has read this thread.

Catsmine
Jun 7, 2009, 04:27 AM
Thanks Alty for the update.

Shaz that was so beautiful. I am sure that goes for every last one of us that has read this thread.

Ditto

Unknown008
Jun 7, 2009, 04:30 AM
Tritto! :p (lol, does that exist?)

liz28
Jun 7, 2009, 06:14 AM
I ditto everyone ditto. That was pretty Shazzy. Unknown, I guess you made up a new word.

shazamataz
Jun 7, 2009, 07:49 AM
Thanks guys... I like that word! We can have tritto, qauditto, septitto lol

Stringer
Jun 7, 2009, 08:31 AM
Just a little something...

Very sweet Shaz, she will smile when she sees this.

Stringer

Alty
Jun 7, 2009, 08:43 AM
Very nice Stringer and Shaz, everyone. :)

Stringer, I know how you feel. A part of me thinks this can't be, that there has to be a way for her to get through this, come back to us. I'm still hoping for a miracle.

Stringer
Jun 7, 2009, 09:01 AM
Very nice Stringer and Shaz, everyone. :)

Stringer, I know how you feel. A part of me thinks this can't be, that there has to be a way for her to get through this, come back to us. I'm still hoping for a miracle.

Yes. That would make me very happy.

startover22
Jun 7, 2009, 09:08 AM
Very nice Stringer and Shaz, everyone. :)

Stringer, I know how you feel. A part of me thinks this can't be, that there has to be a way for her to get through this, come back to us. I'm still hoping for a miracle.

And yes!

Agreed Stringer... I only posted that song to tell her thank you... not to say good bye;)

Alty
Jun 7, 2009, 09:12 AM
It's so hard isn't it? Especially because we can't see her, can't talk to her, it makes it difficult to accept that she's dying.

I dread the email or phone call telling me it's over, but I expect it every day. Even though I do, I still think, no, she'll pull through somehow. It's a roller coaster ride.

I just wish I could be there, hold her hand, hug her, tell her I love her in person.

I wish I could tell her how much she means to all of us. I'm sure she knows though. Her Aunt is such a wonderful person and she's been telling Starby that we're all thinking of her, praying for her, that we love her.

I just want our ducky back. Stinger and I still have to find the ultimate duck trap, we're not done yet!

startover22
Jun 7, 2009, 09:20 AM
It's so hard isn't it? Especially because we can't see her, can't talk to her, it makes it difficult to accept that she's dying.

I dread the email or phone call telling me it's over, but I expect it every day. Even though I do, I still think, no, she'll pull through somehow. It's a roller coaster ride.

I just wish I could be there, hold her hand, hug her, tell her I love her in person.

I wish I could tell her how much she means to all of us. I'm sure she knows though. Her Aunt is such a wonderful person and she's been telling Starby that we're all thinking of her, praying for her, that we love her.

I just want our ducky back. Stinger and I still have to find the ultimate duck trap, we're not done yet!

Exactly! It ain't over till it's over! ;)

Unknown008
Jun 7, 2009, 09:37 AM
Just made one... Hope you'll feel better Starby!

startover22
Jun 7, 2009, 09:41 AM
Beautiful Unky... just beautiful

Unknown008
Jun 7, 2009, 09:42 AM
Just edited the pic... I've missed a word :o

Stringer
Jun 7, 2009, 09:56 AM
And yes!

Agreed Stringer....I only posted that song to tell her thank you...not to say good bye;)

I know hon, all this is so emotional and confusing to me... when you get older you start to think about things in a different way, you are deeply aware that you are not immortal and you succumb to many realities that you didn't even entertain before. This is a natural and expected progression... BUT when someone may be taken away (for whatever reason) so young... it tears me up inside.

It gets to me on different levels.

About 20 some years ago my son was diagnosed with testicular cancer. This cancer is so dangerous, it spreads quickly and it 'jumps' to different parts of the body, especially the lymph nodes. Bryan was about twenty four, married for two years, one daughter. After four hours on the table the surgeon came out to the waiting area. My daughter in law jumped and started toward him... the look on his face told her everything and she fell at his feet crying.

He told her that at first they thought that they got all of it... but... testing proved different. It had spread to many parts of his body. His wife Marsha was going hysterical. They were going to go back in and do their best to remove most of his lymph nodes. We all had to be strong for him and Marsha. But I finally found time to go outside around the building where no one was and fell to my knees, I couldn't breathe. Why... why was God being so cruel? A father is not to loose his son in such a pointless way. I begged him to PLEASE take me instead... and I was serious, I would truly give my life, I love my son so much. Two hours later, he returned to tell us that they believe they got it all.

My son has an ugly raised scar from his breast bone down, under his arms and inside his legs, the most beautiful scars that I have ever seen, he is 43 now and very much alive. Many others that I love aren't.

I am sorry for going into so much detail, but I hate death, it robs, steals and betrays.

Bryan made it, Starby fight this... get mad, get angry, push harder...

nikosmom
Jun 7, 2009, 10:01 AM
Unky that's so sweet! :)

Stringer
Jun 7, 2009, 10:02 AM
Just made one... Hope you'll feel better Starby!

Like Start said Unky, that is very beautiful. :)

Unknown008
Jun 7, 2009, 10:06 AM
Thanks Stringer, NM and Starty.

Glad that your son made it Stringer! I liked your post. Starby, yes, fight, even if you get mad or angry... but stay with us!

Unknown008
Jun 7, 2009, 10:07 AM
Thanks NM and Starty.

Glad that your son made it Stringer! I liked your post. Starby, yes, fight, even if you get mad or angry... but stay with us!

startover22
Jun 7, 2009, 11:02 AM
Stringer, thanks for letting us in on one of your many life stories... life changing stories for that matter. I would see his scar as being beautiful too! I agree on wanting Starbs to fight... get the strength in her to beat this! I wish and hope it can be that simple!

Stringer
Jun 7, 2009, 11:05 AM
Stringer, thanks for letting us in on one of your many life stories...life changing stories for that matter. I would see his scar as being beautiful too! I agree on wanting Starbs to fight....get the strength in her to beat this! I wish and hope it can be that simple!

I talk a lot don't I Start?

Thanks hon, every time I get the chance I tell him that he is loved so much and he gets a hug from his Dad... Michelle, my daughter does to, (she has MS) I think she likes them a bit better though... :D:rolleyes:

bizygurl
Jun 7, 2009, 11:06 AM
Hi Starby. I don't know you.. but I'm so sorry to hear about your accident, sweetie! Hope you feel better and have a speedy recovery. Ill keep you in my prayers and best wishes.
-Hannah:)

Unknown008
Jun 7, 2009, 11:08 AM
Thanks Hannah! :)

Alty
Jun 7, 2009, 11:15 AM
Stringer, thank you so much for sharing the story of your son. You see, miracles do happen, we just have to believe.

It's hard to hope when everyone says there is no hope, it's hard to hang on when everyone says let go. I don't want to believe this is the end for Starby. I don't want to believe that she won't be with us any more. My head has accepted that this will probably be the end, but my heart isn't ready to let go. I don't think any of us are ready for that. We all love her so much.

Miracles can happen. I know they can. That's what we have to hang on to.

Starby, we all love you. Fight, beat this, do not give up! I know your body is weak, but you aren't. Do not give up! We need you here. We need our ducky, our Starby, our light. Do not give up!

Stringer
Jun 7, 2009, 11:25 AM
Stringer, thank you so much for sharing the story of your son. You see, miracles do happen, we just have to believe.

It's hard to hope when everyone says there is no hope, it's hard to hang on when everyone says let go. I don't want to believe this is the end for Starby. I don't want to believe that she won't be with us any more. My head has accepted that this will probably be the end, but my heart isn't ready to let go. I don't think any of us are ready for that. We all love her so much.

Miracles can happen. I know they can. That's what we have to hang on to.

Starby, we all love you. Fight, beat this, do not give up! I know your body is weak, but you aren't. Do not give up! We need you here. We need our ducky, our Starby, our light. Do not give up!

We are of the same mind Alty... thanks. :)

Alty
Jun 7, 2009, 11:27 AM
We are of the same mind Alty...thanks. :)

Love you tons Stringer dear. What would we do without our Sheriff?

We still have to catch that duck, so she better get well, come back to us. I need that last tail feather for a project, it's top secret. ;)

Stringer
Jun 7, 2009, 11:30 AM
Love you tons Stringer dear. What would we do without our Sheriff?

We still have to catch that duck, so she better get well, come back to us. I need that last tail feather for a project, it's top secret. ;)

Ha ha... maybe you should include that when you send your letter to her..

Alty
Jun 7, 2009, 11:32 AM
Ha ha...maybe you should include that when you send your letter to her....?

It would definitely get a laugh out of her, but confused looks from her family. I don't want them to think I'm crazy, it's bad enough you all know I am. ;)

Stringer
Jun 7, 2009, 11:39 AM
It would definitely get a laugh out of her, but confused looks from her family. I don't want them to think I'm crazy, it's bad enough you all know I am. ;)

Naw... it is one of the best kept secrets... But I have records and pics... :eek:

Alty
Jun 7, 2009, 11:41 AM
Naw...it is one of the best kept secrets...But I have records and pics....:eek:

:eek: Where? How? When? Why? :eek:

It wasn't me, it was the one armed man! :cool:

Stringer
Jun 7, 2009, 11:46 AM
:eek: Where? How? When? Why? :eek:

It wasn't me, it was the one armed man! :cool:

Ha!! That excuse is getting lame my dear... stand up and take your punishment...

I wish that it would stop raining, Marta and I want to plan an evening of dinner outside on the patio with the fire pit going... and soft music on the outside stereo... I also have an Italian fire urn on top of the table... but it is still raining... :(

startover22
Jun 7, 2009, 12:21 PM
It would definitely get a laugh out of her, but confused looks from her family. I don't want them to think I'm crazy, it's bad enough you all know I am. ;)

Hahahaha, a look that I would pay to see:):) I don't think you are crazy... I think yer nuts!:D

startover22
Jun 7, 2009, 12:23 PM
Nice night on the patio sounds so sweet and romantic... relaxing and fun!

Stringer
Jun 7, 2009, 12:24 PM
Nice night on the patio sounds so sweet and romantic...relaxing and fun!!

Thanks hon, but I have to content with lightning now too.:rolleyes:

startover22
Jun 7, 2009, 12:27 PM
Ahhhhh... I see Stringer. Maybe you could bring it all in and have a fire in the fire place instead... soft music a few candles and go pick up supper from yer fave place... that would be nice too!

Stringer
Jun 7, 2009, 12:35 PM
ahhhhh....I see Stringer. Maybe you could bring it all in and have a fire in the fire place instead....soft music a few candles and go pick up supper from yer fave place...that would be nice too!

Good idea Start, that may be the only rescue of this planned evening... thanks. :)

MsMewiththat
Jun 12, 2009, 12:12 PM
Any updates from the family? I can't stop thinking about her. I am praying for her every day.

Stringer I loved your story. You are so correct when you refer to death...

jrebel7
Jun 12, 2009, 12:52 PM
Any updates from the family? I can't stop thinking about her. I am praying for her every day.

Stringer I loved your story. You are so correct when you refer to death....

Hi there! I visited with a lifelong friend of Starby's last night. There has been some progress! Thank the Lord. Prayers do get answered, not always in our time and not always the way we hope but in two days time, Starby has come a long way and has had some good laughter time with her friend. She asked that we get the message out to all of you that Jo loves all of us and misses us and she is doing all she can to get better. So love to all of you from Starby!! :p Still keep prayers going. Her friend is being guardedly optimistic but such joy in her voice... it was wonderful to hear.

nikosmom
Jun 12, 2009, 01:54 PM
Thanks for the update Rebbie! :)

jrebel7
Jun 12, 2009, 02:06 PM
My pleasure nickosmom! : )

MsMewiththat
Jun 12, 2009, 02:28 PM
All glory be to God. Thank you for the update

startover22
Jun 12, 2009, 06:52 PM
Hi there! I visited with a lifelong friend of Starby's last night. There has been some progress! Thank the Lord. Prayers do get answered, not always in our time and not always the way we hope but in two days time, Starby has come a long way and has had some good laughter time with her friend. She asked that we get the message out to all of you that Jo loves all of us and misses us and she is doing all she can to get better. So love to all of you from Starby!!! :p Still keep prayers going. Her friend is being guardedly optimistic but such joy in her voice....it was wonderful to hear.

Her sister just got to me on Facebook and she said Starby is the same and smiled and was talking... she is a fighter! Love you Starbs... come on girl, we miss you!
Rebby, you are wonderful... just sayin':)

Alty
Jun 12, 2009, 08:03 PM
OMG! I just got a call from Starby! I only got to talk to her for a few minutes but we talked.

As soon as I heard her voice I burst into tears, poor Jo, she was trying so hard to comfort me, but damn, I didn't think I'd ever get to talk to her again, just hearing her voice was amazing.

I told her I love her, she told me she's okay. She asked me to call her back on my Magic Jack but the number she gave me is no good.

I called the hospital and asked to talk to her but no can do. The staff says they gave her the message that I called back and Jo told them to tell me she'll call me back later.

My God I hope she does. She sounded good. She sounds like our Ducky. Just hearing her voice. I can't tell you what this means to me.

Had to tell you all.

Unknown008
Jun 12, 2009, 08:03 PM
Yay! Starby is better! Starby's better! Oh, that you God, but now, that's not the end. We need to continue with our prayers!

Thanks Rebbie for the update! :)

Alty
Jun 12, 2009, 08:50 PM
Hi everyone!

My bad day just got great! Seriously!

I just got a call for Starby. At first she called, gave me a number to call back on my magic jack (otherwise it's long distance) but the number was wrong.

She called back we talked for 1/2 hour. She sounds good, clear, determined to get better. I still don't want to let myself have hope because it would be even harder to lose her if I allow myself to think she'll be okay. The doctors are still saying she won't make it, but talking to her just now, she sounds wonderful, she sounds like she just may pull off a miracle.

I'm sitting here crying right now. I never thought I'd hear her voice again. That alone is a miracle, and if that's all I can have then I'll take it.

She sends her love to all, she said that around 6 times, so love to all.

Wow. That's all I can say. One prayer answered, another to go.

J_9
Jun 12, 2009, 09:16 PM
That is all such good news. I'm totally speechless!!

Alty
Jun 12, 2009, 09:21 PM
Me too J. I couldn't believe it. As soon as I heard her voice I broke out in tears. I honestly never thought I'd hear that voice again.

Like I said, the doctors still don't hold out any hope, I don't want to allow myself the hope only to be disappointed, but... but... that's all I can say. But.

Miracles do happen, I believe that. I hope we get one. :)

JoeCanada76
Jun 13, 2009, 04:22 AM
Wow, That is Awesome Atly.

It is good that she has had the chance to call you and speak to you.

It is amazing. Praying the recovery continues.

Joe

Catsmine
Jun 13, 2009, 04:44 AM
Hopes, prayers, vibes, energies, wishes {did that cover everybody?) for Starby's continued progress.

I would really like to know her more.

redhed35
Jun 13, 2009, 05:33 AM
I've read all the posts,from mudweiser to catsmine,and I'm sitting here thinking how wonderful it would be near the end of my life and know I have touched so many people's lives...

shazamataz
Jun 13, 2009, 05:59 AM
Oh my gosh... I don't come on here for one day and look what happens!!
Great news Alty, I'm glad you got to talk to her, I'm so happy for you :)

Redhead, I think you speak for all of us here, I don't think there is a person on here she hasn't helped.

Stringer
Jun 13, 2009, 07:20 AM
ive read all the posts,from mudweiser to catsmine,and im sitting here thinking how wonderful it would be near the end of my life and know i have touched so many people's lives...

Red, that was so nice... :)

Stringer
Jun 13, 2009, 07:23 AM
:( I didn't get a call from my duck. :confused::confused::D:rolleyes:

Alty
Jun 13, 2009, 07:46 AM
:( I didn't get a call from my duck. :confused::confused::D:rolleyes:

Stringer, the fact that I got a call was amazing. She really only had the chance to make one call. She did send her love to all, said she's frustrated that she can't talk to all of us. She'd love to get a phone in her room but her mother took all her bank cards etc. She has no money so she can't get a phone.

nitelight198073
Jun 13, 2009, 07:51 AM
Wow she is talking that is great I am so happy for her and you I know you were so worried everyone pulling for her must have worked.yay!!

Alty
Jun 13, 2009, 07:54 AM
Niley, it's not over, the doctors are still saying there's no hope, but she's fighting and that's something, something great.

Stringer
Jun 13, 2009, 07:57 AM
I wouldn't p*ss off the duck :(.

Wait... no, maybe that is just what is needed? She is better when she has something to prove... :).

JoeCanada76
Jun 13, 2009, 08:02 AM
I think your right stringer. I think getting her pissed off. Will make her want to fight more.

Alty
Jun 13, 2009, 08:18 AM
I agree too. Get her mad and she'll fight. That's exactly what she needs, to fight what her body is doing, to live!

Stringer
Jun 13, 2009, 08:32 AM
I have felt her love and her WRAITH (Only when I teased her though)... both are powerful. She does have a powerful constitution when she wants to use it... :)

Alty
Jun 13, 2009, 08:36 AM
She certainly does.

So you're saying I should tic her off the next time she calls? ;)

Stringer
Jun 13, 2009, 08:39 AM
She certainly does.

So you're saying I should tic her off the next time she calls? ;)

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah... weeeeellllllll...

Catsmine
Jun 13, 2009, 09:18 AM
Naw, tell her Stringer wants to tic her off. She should be back on the boards by Thursday.

Stringer
Jun 13, 2009, 09:42 AM
Naw, tell her Stringer wants to tic her off. She should be back on the boards by Thursday.

YOU must have been researching our 'old' threads Cats... right?? TMI

startover22
Jun 13, 2009, 10:12 AM
Alty... thanks so much. Oh my gosh, I am in amazement... this is too crazy... isnt it? GO STARBS GO!! Keep up the good fight! We are rooting for you... thinking and praying for you!!

Stringer
Jun 13, 2009, 10:20 AM
Alty...thanks so much. Oh my gosh, I am in amazement....this is too crazy...isnt it? GO STARBS GO!!! Keep up the good fight! We are rooting for you...thinking and praying for you!!!

Yes, very hopeful...

How are you sunshine?

nitelight198073
Jun 13, 2009, 10:52 AM
Niley, it's not over, the doctors are still saying there's no hope, but she's fighting and that's something, something great.
Well we all know that she is tough I am still pulling for her either way she is a great person that I will never forget.

Alty
Jun 13, 2009, 11:03 AM
I am too Niley. Where there's a will there's a way, she definitely has the will.

I hope she'll call back soon but this could have just been a clear day that won't last. Either way I got to talk to her and for me, really, that means more then I can say. I didn't think I'd get the chance again.

Just to hear her voice was a miracle, one I'll cherish no matter how this turns out.

I'm still hoping, praying, waiting for that miracle. I believe more now then I ever have just because of that phone call.

I don't want to get anyone's hopes up, that's why I'm telling all of you that the doctors have not changed their prognosis, but... but. :)

startover22
Jun 13, 2009, 11:09 AM
Yes, very hopeful...

How are you sunshine?

I am fine thanks;)
I am hoping for the best also...
Alty, I get it, I understand that there is not much chance, but as it stands right now, she is beating some of the odds, so there is hope, and that's a fact! :)

Alty
Jun 13, 2009, 11:11 AM
I am fine thanks;)
I am hoping for the best also.....
Alty, I get it, I understand that there is not much chance, but as it stands right now, she is beating some of the odds, so there is hope, and thats a fact!!:)

It is Starty.

I just don't want to get everyone's hopes up only to squish them later, if that happens.

I am hopeful, how can I not be, she sounded so good on the phone, so strong, so determined, so pi$$ed off! ;)

I hope she finds a way to call more often. I also hope that she remains clear headed and gets better, fights this, finds a way to survive.

She told me "I'm doing all I can, really I am" so that's good. I just hope, hope, hope. :)

88sunflower
Jun 15, 2009, 07:00 AM
Alty this is such amazing news! I am so happy for you that you were able to talk to her. I was thinking about this thread the other day thinking I hadn't heard anything and then I was getting worried for the worse that I missed something. But thank god I didn't. I wish again I could have gotten to know her. But keep in mind, doctors have been wrong before. If they don't want to change there prognosis we will change it for them! Keep praying everyone!

Stringer
Jun 15, 2009, 12:34 PM
Alty this is such amazing news! I am so happy for you that you were able to talk to her. I was thinking about this thread the other day thinking I hadnt heard anything and then I was getting worried for the worse that I missed something. But thank god I didnt. I wish again I could have gotten to know her. But keep in mind, doctors have been wrong before. If they dont want to change there prognosis we will change it for them!! Keep praying everyone!

I agree whole heartily sunny... the power and strength of the heart... :)

88sunflower
Jun 15, 2009, 12:37 PM
I agree whole heartily sunny.....the power and strength of the heart....:)

Hey Stringer off and on when am thinking about this woman I wish I could have met I think of my mother in law. She passed away with a failing liver, but nothing to do with drinking. I heard at that time all you need is a half a liver because its an organ that can regenerate itself. Is this true? If it is I don't understand why she can't be helped. A half a liver isn't so much to ask for.

Stringer
Jun 15, 2009, 01:15 PM
Hey Stringer off and on when am thinking about this woman I wish I could have met I think of my mother in law. She passed away with a failing liver, but nothing to do with drinking. I heard at that time all you need is a half a liver because its an organ that can regenerate itself. Is this true? If it is I dont understand why she can't be helped. A half a liver isnt so much to ask for.

You know sweet, I have heard that too... hmmm? J-9 could probably answer that question for us... good question girl... :)

88sunflower
Jun 15, 2009, 01:19 PM
You know sweet, I have heard that too...hmmm? J-9 could probably answer that question for us.....good question girl....:)

Well it rips my heart out. Over and over and over I told my in-laws lets get done what we need to do to see if any of us can help her. If I could have gave that woman half my liver to live I would have in an instant. I loved her more then my own mother. No one else in the family seems interested in pursuing that option. Honest to god I fear pain and needles and whatever else it would involve. But if I had to do it for Starby I would. I see the support and love we would both get from you all and then we could have her back. I hear her and I share the love of flowers and gardening.

88sunflower
Jun 15, 2009, 01:34 PM
Good night Stringer I am headed home now. Maybe this can be an option we can check in to. Why not? If its possible that is.
Talk to you in the morning.

tickle
Jun 15, 2009, 02:53 PM
Hi sunflower, yes the liver can regenerate itself but only with human intervention and we aren't quite there yet. Our livers are the largest organs in our bodies and it seems odd, sometimes that something that big (as big as a football) is so susceptible to injury, disease, alcohol, but that is what we are to live with. Sorry I can't say, well gee it can and why not, but not the case my dear.

Tick

J_9
Jun 15, 2009, 03:04 PM
Actually, the skin is the largest organ in our bodies. But when our liver becomes toxic, or has diseases such as cirrohsis, there is no repairing it. If caught early, the progression can be slowed, but never completely stopped or reversed.

Alty
Jun 15, 2009, 03:14 PM
Well it rips my heart out. Over and over and over I told my in-laws lets get done what we need to do to see if any of us can help her. If I could have gave that woman half my liver to live I would have in an instant. I loved her more then my own mother. No one else in the family seems interested in pursuing that option. Honest to god I fear pain and needles and whatever else it would involve. But if I had to do it for Starby I would. I see the support and love we would both get from you all and then we could have her back. I hear her and I share the love of flowers and gardening.

I can answer the why.

At this point Starby wouldn't survive the surgery. Also, because her liver was damaged due to alcoholism she's on the bottom of the list for a transplant. She'd have to remain alcohol free for at least 6 months in order to qualify.

Is it harsh? Maybe. But think of it this way. If your loved one was dying and you decided to donate his/her organs, would you want those organs going to someone that is dying because of a freak of nature, or someone who will probably destroy the organ by continuing with their addiction?

Yes, it's not an ideal world, but there are so many people in need of organs, those that will take care of the organs they get, have a good chance of survival with those new organs, they're first on the list.

Stringer
Jun 15, 2009, 05:09 PM
I can answer the why.

At this point Starby wouldn't survive the surgery. Also, because her liver was damaged due to alcoholism she's on the bottom of the list for a transplant. She'd have to remain alcohol free for at least 6 months in order to qualify.

Is it harsh? Maybe. But think of it this way. If your loved one was dying and you decided to donate his/her organs, would you want those organs going to someone that is dying because of a freak of nature, or someone who will probably destroy the organ by continuing with their addiction?

Yes, it's not an ideal world, but there are so many people in need of organs, those that will take care of the organs they get, have a good chance of survival with those new organs, they're first on the list.

You're right of course but very sad...

Night Sunny.

Alty
Jun 15, 2009, 05:14 PM
You're right of course but very sad...

Night Sunny.

It is sad, especially when it's someone you love, but thems the rules and I can't fault them for it.

If one of my loved ones died and I donated their organs, I'd want them to go to the person that would make the most out of their second chance. Sadly, people with addictions that haven't been treated, haven't been rectified, they're only getting a second chance to continue doing what they're already doing.

I feel bad for saying it, maybe I'm horrible to think this way, but I have to agree with the doctors and hospitals on this one.

Now, if I had a choice, if Starby could survive the surgery at this time, I would give her part of my liver in a heart beat, but that's not an option.

I went through the same thing with my dad when he was dying. His liver was riddled with cancer. I begged the doctors to take half of my liver and give it to my dad, they refused simply because it would be a waste. Not only would my father not survive the surgery, but on the off chance that he did, the new liver would be riddled with cancer within days unless we got it under control.

Life really does suck sometimes. :(

Catsmine
Jun 15, 2009, 05:18 PM
You're not horrible, You're right.

It hurts, but it's true.

Life really does.

JudyKayTee
Jun 15, 2009, 05:25 PM
And I BEGGED the Doctors to test me for a possible kidney transplant for my husband through the last years of his life. They simply refused because he was not a good candidate, there were too many problems.

I see now that he never would have survived the surgery, let alone recovery. But I sure as heck didn't see it then.

If I have any problem with the donor system - and this very well may vary from place to place - it is the way candidates are rated. My husband was third on the list because he had good insurance, the ability to afford rejection drugs - and he had a Doctorate. I say people who didn't have those benefits and were much farther down on the list.

Unfair - but I wanted my husband to live.

Back to Jo - prayers. All anyone can do at this point is pray.

And Alty - I know you've been there and back again and you are more than courageous to be so supportive, so loving, so involved with Jo.

Love you, girlfriend!

Alty
Jun 15, 2009, 05:55 PM
And Alty - I know you've been there and back again and you are more than courageous to be so supportive, so loving, so involved with Jo.

Love you, girlfriend!

Ditto my dear, that doesn't say it all, but it's close.

Love you so much. :)

Stringer
Jun 15, 2009, 06:11 PM
Judy... I have to admit something here (don't hit me... K?) I had to get out my magnifying glasss to get a better look at your avy...


Pretty nice. :)

Alty
Jun 15, 2009, 06:13 PM
Judy....I have to admit something here (don't hit me...K?) I had to get out my magnifying glasss to get a better look at your avy.....


Pretty nice. :)

The back of her head is all that and a bag of chips. I agree Stringer. :)

Stringer
Jun 15, 2009, 06:17 PM
The back of her head is all that and a bag of chips. I agree Stringer. :)

It doesn't take much Alty... She has fabulous shoulders... :)

Alty
Jun 15, 2009, 06:22 PM
It doesn't take much Alty...She has fabulous shoulders.....:)

And the hair. I love the hair.

I've seen her beautiful face, she's a stunner. :)

Stringer
Jun 15, 2009, 06:25 PM
And the hair. I love the hair.

I've seen her beautiful face, she's a stunner. :)

Oh my... my heart is running wild now and my imagination isn't doing a bad job either... ;)

JudyKayTee
Jun 15, 2009, 06:27 PM
Judy....I have to admit something here (don't hit me...K?) I had to get out my magnifying glasss to get a better look at your avy.....


Pretty nice. :)



Hmm - thank you. Photo is an interesting story - I asked my friend to take a photo of me on the beach. She had been raving about that bridge in the background all day. So guess what she took a photo of - I just happened to be wandering by.

But thank you. After I have the botox I'll post a full head shot <smirk>.

I guess you never saw my old avy - I look like my head is on sideways.

Stringer
Jun 15, 2009, 06:31 PM
Hmm - thank you. Photo is an interesting story - I asked my friend to take a photo of me on the beach. She had been raving about that bridge in the background all day. So guess what she took a photo of - I just happened to be wandering by.

But thank you. After I have the botox I'll post a full head shot <smirk>.

I guess you never saw my old avy - I look like my head is on sideways.

Never!! You are one of my idols Judy... I am infatuated... keep the pics coming my dear. Brightens up my day.

Alty... still love you too. :p

Alty
Jun 15, 2009, 06:45 PM
Alty... still love you too.

Never doubted it. :)

88sunflower
Jun 16, 2009, 06:10 AM
I can answer the why.

At this point Starby wouldn't survive the surgery. Also, because her liver was damaged due to alcoholism she's on the bottom of the list for a transplant. She'd have to remain alcohol free for at least 6 months in order to qualify.

Is it harsh? Maybe. But think of it this way. If your loved one was dying and you decided to donate his/her organs, would you want those organs going to someone that is dying because of a freak of nature, or someone who will probably destroy the organ by continuing with their addiction?

Yes, it's not an ideal world, but there are so many people in need of organs, those that will take care of the organs they get, have a good chance of survival with those new organs, they're first on the list.


I do agree with that completely. But it was just a thought that had come to mind more then once. The sad thing is my mother in law needed a liver, they flew her to Manhattan but to them she wasn't bad enough yet to get on the list. She wasn't a drinker. She was hallucinating about eating breakfast with Charlie Pride. But as terrible as it was for her she wasn't bad enough and she passed away 2 days later. Makes you wonder how bad can it get before you can find one. Since then I have always said when I pass take whatever you can from me for another living being. Let life go on with someone else after my death. How foolish not to. I won't be using it again.

KISS
Jun 16, 2009, 08:31 AM
I'd love to rate you, but can't for discussion threads.

What I can say is How inspiring. Especially the comment about not using it again

88sunflower
Jun 16, 2009, 08:32 AM
I'd love to rate you, but can't for discussion threads.

What I can say is How inspiring. expecially the comment about not using it again

Thank you

retsoksirhc
Jun 16, 2009, 11:31 AM
Wow. As a comer-and-goer around here over the past few years, this is the first I heard of all this. I probably shouldn't have read it at work... Starby was always one of the more welcoming people around here, helping any way she could, or even just hanging around to chat. I just wish I'd come back a few weeks earlier. Best of luck Starby. We really hope to see you again!

Catsmine
Jun 16, 2009, 11:36 AM
It's not over until it's over, Retsy. We keep praying/hoping/wishing.

Unknown008
Jun 16, 2009, 11:44 AM
I believe that's it's stronger than that... there's so much people now... I feel that Starby will be healed... I just feel that, I know. :) But still that doesn't mean that we have to stop praying, wishing or hoping like you said.

shazamataz
Jun 17, 2009, 10:20 AM
All we can do is wait... and hope

jenniepepsi
Jun 17, 2009, 10:37 AM
I'm praying my eyes out for her. I haven't met her yet :( I don't want to NEVER meet her :(

startover22
Jun 17, 2009, 09:18 PM
im praying my eyes out for her. i havnt met her yet :( i dont want to NEVER meet her :(

She would want you to keep yer eyes... now don't go getting crazy... ;)

JoeCanada76
Jun 18, 2009, 04:45 AM
Wow, keep your eyes. Please.

Anyway, Love you Starby...

Joe

jenniepepsi
Jun 18, 2009, 09:15 AM
Lol not literally. And I was half asleep. I meant praying my HEART out.


But your right. She would want me to keep that too.


Ugh. Confusing :P


*hugs for starby* good morning darlin

Unknown008
Jun 18, 2009, 09:17 AM
Now now, not your heart out! :eek:

Stringer
Jun 18, 2009, 09:19 AM
Now now, not your heart out! :eek:

We are just confusing the **** out of her here... :rolleyes:

jenniepepsi
Jun 18, 2009, 09:51 AM
Lol :P its OK. I like to be confused.

Its confusing :D


And fun.


Don't u guys know an idiom when you hear one?

(im probbably using that word wrong btw)

88sunflower
Jun 18, 2009, 12:51 PM
Ok this is sad, I just came across the thread where everyone posted there pics. I just did mine. That's an old thread but I brought it back to life!!

jenniepepsi
Jun 18, 2009, 12:55 PM
Awwww I will have to go see it! And post my ugly mug!

Stringer
Jun 18, 2009, 02:24 PM
Ok this is sad, I just came across the thread where everyone posted there pics. I just did mine. Thats an old thread but I brought it back to life!!!

No, that one is 'special' cause everyone still goes there hon, it's fun to see our members and update. :)

jenniepepsi
Jun 18, 2009, 02:52 PM
Exactly

startover22
Jun 18, 2009, 08:31 PM
Starbs... here is my sweet lovin' vibe... you feel it? Ohhhh good sweet stuff... lots of hugs!

JoeCanada76
Jun 19, 2009, 03:34 AM
Starbs...here is my sweet lovin' vibe....you feel it? Ohhhh good sweet stuff...lots of hugs!!

Joe sending Starby Lots of Hugs. Lots of love.

HistorianChick
Jun 19, 2009, 07:07 AM
Love, love, LUB you Starby girl... I miss you... :(

Unknown008
Jun 19, 2009, 07:42 AM
Still praying for you Starby dear... :(

Any update? Anyone? Rebbie? Alty?

Catsmine
Jun 19, 2009, 09:30 AM
Shellie Winters moment

Come Back, little Starby!
(I know it's a misquote)

JudyKayTee
Jun 19, 2009, 09:54 AM
Still praying for ya Starby dear.... :(

Any update? Anyone? Rebbie? Alty?


I don't know what's worse - hearing or not hearing.

jenniepepsi
Jun 19, 2009, 11:25 AM
*hugs and kisses*

*starby love for friday*

Stringer
Jun 19, 2009, 11:41 AM
Hey StarbyDuck... we are all thinking of you...

You are a first class fighter hon who doesn't know the word defeat... keep fighting hon, keep fighting.

Stringer

Alty
Jun 19, 2009, 12:17 PM
No updates, sorry all. It's been a while and sadly my email is down right now. It's been acting up the last few days.

Internet's okay, but email comes and goes.

When I know you'll know. :)

HistorianChick
Jun 19, 2009, 12:21 PM
That's OK - we're still praying.

Miss you, Alty girl. :)

Alty
Jun 19, 2009, 12:28 PM
Miss you too Chicky boo. :)

We need have a coffee date soon.

Stringer
Jun 19, 2009, 12:29 PM
That's ok - we're still praying.

Miss you, Alty girl. :)

Hi HC... I agree.

I don't like 'no news', and I don't like this not knowing... I have a strange feeling... I am still saying a prayer for Starby.

HistorianChick
Jun 19, 2009, 12:32 PM
Unfortunately, that's all we can do for her right now. But, it's the best thing we could do.

Alty... coffee date... yesssss... :)

Sir Stringer, I've missed you, as well! :)

Unknown008
Jun 19, 2009, 12:34 PM
I'm going to bed. Bye everyone, Alty, Stringer, HC! :) See you sometime!

Unky out.

Stringer
Jun 19, 2009, 12:35 PM
Unfortunately, that's all we can do for her right now. But, it's the best thing we could do.

Alty... coffee date... yesssss.... :)

Sir Stringer, I've missed you, as well! :)

I miss your smiling personality too sweet.

Stringer
Jun 19, 2009, 12:36 PM
I'm going to bed. Bye everyone, Alty, Stringer, HC! :) See you sometime!

Unky out.

OK... miss a little...

Night, my friend.

HistorianChick
Jun 19, 2009, 12:42 PM
I miss your smiling personality too sweet.

JR KISSES for you! :)

Alty
Jun 19, 2009, 12:45 PM
Group hug!

Night Unky.

Stringer
Jun 19, 2009, 12:51 PM
Group hug!

Night Unky.

That's all I hear from my three sisters... well OK, once more then... :rolleyes:

Alty
Jun 19, 2009, 01:08 PM
That's all I hear from my three sisters...well ok, once more then......:rolleyes:

How about a kiss on the cheek too?

A nice wet one. :)

Stringer
Jun 19, 2009, 01:09 PM
How about a kiss on the cheek too?

A nice wet one. :)

Did I hear a sweet invitation?

HistorianChick
Jun 19, 2009, 01:11 PM
My JR Kisses are always juicy :)

2 MORE GREENIES! I need TWO more! Then I'm at Greenie count = 500. Reddie count = 2 :)

Alty
Jun 19, 2009, 01:12 PM
Did I hear a sweet invitation?

Yes you did dear.

Fyi, I'm always sweet... ish. ;)

Stringer
Jun 19, 2009, 01:15 PM
Yes you did dear.

Fyi, I'm always sweet.....ish. ;)

I just realized... it hit me that I am 'stalking' you today... sorry 'bout that... I have to go for a while anyway... I'll continue it when I return... K?

He hee... Marta is off today... :D

Alty
Jun 19, 2009, 01:16 PM
I just realized...it hit me that I am 'stalking' you today...sorry 'bout that....I have to go for a while anyway...I'll continue it when I return....K?

He hee...Marta is off today....................:D

I don't mind being stalked by you Stringer. :)

Go play with Marta. Shoo, off you go.

I'll be here later dear. :)

Alty
Jun 19, 2009, 01:17 PM
My JR Kisses are always juicy :)

2 MORE GREENIES!! I need TWO more! Then I'm at Greenie count = 500. Reddie count = 2 :)

One down Chicky. One to go. :)

HistorianChick
Jun 19, 2009, 01:26 PM
Woo-hoo!! I have another blob!! :D

YAY!! :)

Stringer
Jun 19, 2009, 01:28 PM
Woo-hoo!!!! I have another blob!!!! :D

YAY!!! :)

I only have... 3 (and one of those was 'free') :(

Alty
Jun 19, 2009, 01:29 PM
Woo-hoo!!!! I have another blob!!!! :D

YAY!!! :)

The bright green blobs are fun.

Congrats Chicky.

I'm a little under 100 away to my next one.

After the 6th (I believe) it's 200 per square. Yup, harder, but worth it. :)

HistorianChick
Jun 19, 2009, 01:29 PM
Awww... but we love you, Sir Stringer! :)

Stringer
Jun 19, 2009, 01:30 PM
Awww.... but we love ya, Sir Stringer! :)

That is worth much more... thanks... but...

Alty
Jun 19, 2009, 01:32 PM
I only have...3 (and one of those was 'free') :(

Sweetie, it's just a green square. In the long run, it really doesn't mean that much.

We love you, tons and tons. :)

HistorianChick
Jun 19, 2009, 01:32 PM
__
|_|

There :D

Stringer
Jun 19, 2009, 01:41 PM
Sweetie, it's just a green square. In the long run, it really doesn't mean that much.

We love you, tons and tons. :)

Thanks... me too... but...

If they don't mean that much, then... why are ya'all jumping around so much... :p

*O = =
-()-
/ \

Stringer
Jun 19, 2009, 01:42 PM
__
|_|

There :D

Now that is one that I will treasure hon :D... can you move it under my avy??

jenniepepsi
Jun 19, 2009, 01:46 PM
I only have one stringer. So don't feel bad.

Stringer
Jun 19, 2009, 01:47 PM
i only have one stringer. so dont feel bad.

Thanks, but I have been here for two years... :(

Stringer
Jun 19, 2009, 01:49 PM
Bye for a while... going to sulk... (not really)

Alty
Jun 19, 2009, 01:56 PM
No sulking allowed.

Go have fun.

Smile, it makes people wonder what you're thinking. :)

tickle
Jun 19, 2009, 02:16 PM
Hi, alty, I know everyone here is giving positve assumptions, but no one really knows what's going on. And I for one am perturbed at that because am in healthcare and everything is black or white and no grey areas. This all grey.

So, love, give us some positive information, I know we all offer hugs, kisses and loved starby to death because of her attitude but giving your all is somewhat overdone.

I have taken care of many many palliative clients, some with DNR orders on them, so when it gets down to the nity grity, I am the one who can't adminster CPR because the DNR order says NO! so I make them comfortable and administer ice to lips and change bedlinnen, luvvy. So just where is starby now, is she in my area of my expertise or is she getting better, or don't you know.

Sorry, but I am a realist and always will be because that is what I have to be for palliative clients I care for.

Annie

Alty
Jun 19, 2009, 02:28 PM
Hi Annie,

Starby is in Medicine Hat, in the hospital.

Her liver is no longer functioning and one of her kidney's has completely shut down.

Her parents have signed a DNR and the doctors are not hopeful that she'll survive more then 4 weeks.

When I talked to her she sounded okay, not great, but to me it was music to my ears. I thought she sounded pretty level headed and coherent, until I talked to her Aunt and realized that everything she said to me was way off.

I haven't heard from her since last week. Her Aunt writes me when she has news, but it seems that Starby's parents and siblings are keeping the rest of the family out of the loop as much as they can.

Even if she did survive this she'd be in hospital or a home for the rest of her life. Her bones are basically ash. The injury she received to her leg will not heal, or so the doctors have said. She'd be in a wheel chair for the rest of her days and she lives alone, she wouldn't be able to do it on her own.

Also, she would have to survive for the next 6 months without a functioning liver and only one working kidney before she's even be considered for a transplant. Right now she wouldn't survive the surgery, also, because her liver was damaged due to alcoholism she's not even eligible for the transplant list until she's been clean for at least 6 months.

It's a tough spot, it seems to be lose/lose no matter what.

On the bright side, she's allowed to make trips outside every day now. Her friend Sally goes to the hospital whenever she can and she tells Starby how much we love her and miss her.

Sadly, even though I have hope, I don't think she's going to survive this.

I've had a lot of experience with liver failure and I know that this is a death sentence, it's just a matter of time.

It truly would be a miracle if she survived.

Hugs Tickle. Sorry that this is bad news.

Catsmine
Jun 19, 2009, 02:31 PM
So much for upbeat Friday. We can still hope!

jenniepepsi
Jun 19, 2009, 02:38 PM
There is always room for hope

Alty
Jun 19, 2009, 02:49 PM
Hope springs eternal.

I'm still hoping, but I can't help but be realistic.

The odds aren't in her favor, not at all.

Hope is all we have left.

Catsmine
Jun 19, 2009, 03:02 PM
Was it Will Rogers that said "Plan for the worst, then everything that happens is gravy" or Mark Twain?

I stiil want to get just one more greenie from her, or give one.

Stringer
Jun 19, 2009, 03:03 PM
Hi Annie,

Starby is in Medicine Hat, in the hospital.

Her liver is no longer functioning and one of her kidney's has completely shut down.

Her parents have signed a DNR and the doctors are not hopeful that she'll survive more then 4 weeks.

When I talked to her she sounded okay, not great, but to me it was music to my ears. I thought she sounded pretty level headed and coherent, until I talked to her Aunt and realized that everything she said to me was way off.

I haven't heard from her since last week. Her Aunt writes me when she has news, but it seems that Starby's parents and siblings are keeping the rest of the family out of the loop as much as they can.

Even if she did survive this she'd be in hospital or a home for the rest of her life. Her bones are basically ash. The injury she received to her leg will not heal, or so the doctors have said. She'd be in a wheel chair for the rest of her days and she lives alone, she wouldn't be able to do it on her own.

Also, she would have to survive for the next 6 months without a functioning liver and only one working kidney before she's even be considered for a transplant. Right now she wouldn't survive the surgery, also, because her liver was damaged due to alcoholism she's not even eligible for the transplant list until she's been clean for at least 6 months.

It's a tough spot, it seems to be lose/lose no matter what.

On the bright side, she's allowed to make trips outside every day now. Her friend Sally goes to the hospital whenever she can and she tells Starby how much we love her and miss her.

Sadly, even though I have hope, I don't think she's going to survive this.

I've had alot of experience with liver failure and I know that this is a death sentence, it's just a matter of time.

It truly would be a miracle if she survived.

Hugs Tickle. Sorry that this is bad news.

Damn.

Alty
Jun 19, 2009, 03:05 PM
Was it Will Rogers that said "Plan for the worst, then everything that happens is gravy" or Mark Twain?

I stiil wanna get just one more greenie from her, or give one.

You can give one but getting one won't be easy.

Are you sure that's the quote?

Catsmine
Jun 19, 2009, 03:06 PM
Are you sure that's the quote?

It's close.

Alty
Jun 19, 2009, 03:09 PM
Damn.

Sorry Stringer.

I've said it all before, but not in one post. I know it's hard to see it straight on, to realize that hope really is all we have.

I still hope though. I can't help it, even though my brain says it's silly to have hope when there doesn't seem to be any.

Miracles happen. We may get one. But at what cost? She'll be dependent on her parents for the rest of her life, her worst nightmare.

At this point I just hope she's not in pain and knows that she's loved. :)

Catsmine
Jun 19, 2009, 03:13 PM
Sorry Stringer.

I've said it all before, but not in one post. I know it's hard to see it straight on, to realize that hope really is all we have.

I still hope though. I can't help it, even though my brain says it's silly to have hope when there doesn't seem to be any.

Miracles happen. We may get one. But at what cost? She'll be dependant on her parents for the rest of her life, her worst nightmare.

At this point I just hope she's not in pain and knows that she's loved. :)

Trying to be as succint as Stringer -- YUP.

Alty
Jun 19, 2009, 03:30 PM
Trying to be as succint as Stringer -- YUP.

Damn.

I didn't mean to bring everyone down.

Tickle asked for the truth, so I told her.

This isn't news to any of you, but I know it's hard to hear it all at once, to see the whole picture instead of just bits and pieces.

Darnit, I feel like I just sweared in front of my kids instead of saying it under my breath. :(

Stringer
Jun 19, 2009, 04:22 PM
Damn.

I didn't mean to bring everyone down.

Tickle asked for the truth, so I told her.

This isn't news to any of you, but I know it's hard to hear it all at once, to see the whole picture instead of just bits and pieces.

Darnit, I feel like I just sweared in front of my kids instead of saying it under my breath. :(

Damn..

Here's the soap... :rolleyes:

Alty
Jun 19, 2009, 04:27 PM
Damn....!

Here's the soap.....:rolleyes:

Hey!

Pthttt, that doesn't taste good at all! :(

Stringer
Jun 19, 2009, 04:33 PM
Hey!

Pthttt, that doesn't taste good at all! :(

Here's a Corona... help? :D:D:eek:

Alty
Jun 19, 2009, 04:59 PM
Here's a Corona....help? :D:D:eek:

A man that knows his way to my heart.

I love Corona.

Thanks much Mr. Stringer dear. :)

::hiccup::

Stringer
Jun 19, 2009, 06:41 PM
A man that knows his way to my heart.

I love Corona.

Thanks much Mr. Stringer dear. :)

::hiccup::

Now, please sit over here and tell me all about those little 'dirty' words that you can't seem to resist saying... ;)


I'Mmmmmm... listening dear...

tickle
Jun 20, 2009, 07:33 AM
Damn.

I didn't mean to bring everyone down.

Tickle asked for the truth, so I told her.

This isn't news to any of you, but I know it's hard to hear it all at once, to see the whole picture instead of just bits and pieces.

Darnit, I feel like I just sweared in front of my kids instead of saying it under my breath. :(

Hi alty, did I miss something, a post from you, a PM regarding this? Because I can't find any explanation.

Tick

tickle
Jun 20, 2009, 07:35 AM
Hi Annie,

Starby is in Medicine Hat, in the hospital.

Her liver is no longer functioning and one of her kidney's has completely shut down.

Her parents have signed a DNR and the doctors are not hopeful that she'll survive more then 4 weeks.

When I talked to her she sounded okay, not great, but to me it was music to my ears. I thought she sounded pretty level headed and coherent, until I talked to her Aunt and realized that everything she said to me was way off.

I haven't heard from her since last week. Her Aunt writes me when she has news, but it seems that Starby's parents and siblings are keeping the rest of the family out of the loop as much as they can.

Even if she did survive this she'd be in hospital or a home for the rest of her life. Her bones are basically ash. The injury she received to her leg will not heal, or so the doctors have said. She'd be in a wheel chair for the rest of her days and she lives alone, she wouldn't be able to do it on her own.

Also, she would have to survive for the next 6 months without a functioning liver and only one working kidney before she's even be considered for a transplant. Right now she wouldn't survive the surgery, also, because her liver was damaged due to alcoholism she's not even eligible for the transplant list until she's been clean for at least 6 months.

It's a tough spot, it seems to be lose/lose no matter what.

On the bright side, she's allowed to make trips outside every day now. Her friend Sally goes to the hospital whenever she can and she tells Starby how much we love her and miss her.

Sadly, even though I have hope, I don't think she's going to survive this.

I've had alot of experience with liver failure and I know that this is a death sentence, it's just a matter of time.

It truly would be a miracle if she survived.

Hugs Tickle. Sorry that this is bad news.

Thanks alty, ignore my other post. Hugs back

Tick

roxypox
Jun 21, 2009, 06:27 AM
Alty, personally, I'd rather have a sad truth than to have bits and pieces of false hope... Im glad you gave the update on how starby is doing.

To look at her situation realisticly is sad. It really is. Because she is a wonderful lady and I really do wish that she'd get better and survive this!

(Ps: I'm sorry if this post is written in a clumsy way... just so hard to find the right words when it comes to this. So many things are raceing trhough my head.)

Alty
Jun 21, 2009, 05:52 PM
There aren't any "right" words Roxy, just whatever's in your heart and you said that very well. :)

I did get another update from Jo's Aunt, a letter from Jo's mom. Jo's Aunt asked me not to post it but I will tell you the most important part.

Jo is asking to see her family so she can make peace with them. She wants to tell everyone she loves them.

She's slipped back into being paranoid and not at all clear.

Take care all and Happy Fathers day to all the dads. :)

Catsmine
Jun 21, 2009, 06:08 PM
Thanks, hon.

This doesn't sound good, but we'll keep the positives flowing for her.

Unknown008
Jun 22, 2009, 07:55 AM
Yup, I second that Cat, thanks Alty. :)

JoeCanada76
Jun 22, 2009, 08:10 AM
At least it sounds like she is trying and willing to make peace with her family before it is too late... She needs to have that chance with her family.

shazamataz
Jun 22, 2009, 08:37 AM
Thank you for the updates Alty. You have been awfully quiet lately, I hope you are going OK (well, as OK as you can be right now)

MsMewiththat
Jun 22, 2009, 09:04 AM
What a long painful journey. God is good and he keeps his promises. I am happy as well for Jo that she is able to have moments of clarity where she is able to know that she is loved and wants to leave her family knowing that they are loved as well. My prayers will be that those moments of clarity will be full of love and void of pain. God Bless Jo

88sunflower
Jun 22, 2009, 09:25 AM
Thanks for that Alty. If anything comes of this, I hope she gets her wish and makes peace with her family.

Stringer
Jun 22, 2009, 10:23 AM
Still miss her...

jenniepepsi
Jun 22, 2009, 10:42 AM
I don't know her, but I miss the chance to get to know her :( :( I'm praying so hard for her. I really want to meet her and get to know her before its too late

JudyKayTee
Jun 22, 2009, 01:36 PM
At least it sounds like she is trying and willing to make peace with her family before it is too late... She needs to have that chance with her family.

And maybe this is why her illness has played out the way it has - she has had a second chance to make peace with her family and also to know how much all of us love her.

Stringer
Jun 22, 2009, 01:42 PM
And maybe this is why her illness has played out the way it has - she has had a second chance to make peace with her family and also to know how much all of us love her.



I second this...

artlady
Jun 22, 2009, 02:07 PM
And maybe this is why her illness has played out the way it has - she has had a second chance to make peace with her family and also to know how much all of us love her.

My greatest hope is that she is feeling the love and respect that we all have for her.You said it all very well.

Alty
Jun 22, 2009, 04:08 PM
If no news is good news then I'm getting plenty of good news.

No updates.

I just want to give everyone that's posted big hugs. Love you all.

artlady
Jun 22, 2009, 04:51 PM
If no news is good news then I'm getting plenty of good news.

No updates.

I just want to give everyone that's posted big hugs. Love you all.

Thank-you hon,I can only imagine how hard this is on you.Hang in there kid,you are in my prayers as well.

Alty
Jun 22, 2009, 04:56 PM
Thank-you hon,I can only imagine how hard this is on you.Hang in there kid,you are in my prayers as well.

It's hard but I'm okay.

Hanging in dear, thanks to all of you. :)

artlady
Jun 22, 2009, 05:00 PM
It's hard but I'm okay.

Hanging in dear, thanks to all of you. :)

Glad to hear that ;) Sometimes just hangin' in is all you can hope for.

Alty
Jun 22, 2009, 05:10 PM
Glad to hear that ;) Sometimes just hangin' in is all you can hope for.

So very true.

By the way, I missed you lady. Don't ever leave for that long again. I will hunt you down, really I will! ;)

artlady
Jun 22, 2009, 05:26 PM
So very true.

By the way, I missed you lady. Don't ever leave for that long again. I will hunt you down, really I will! ;)

Oh believe me,I hated it.I needed my daily AMHD fix! I was miserable but my comp died and its still running awful but I am working on it.
I will not go away again,you scare me :eek: Yeah,right,well maybe just a little :)

JoeCanada76
Jun 22, 2009, 05:52 PM
Good to see you back Artsy.

artlady
Jun 22, 2009, 05:55 PM
Good to see you back Artsy.

Thanks buddy.. good to be back home!

shazamataz
Jun 22, 2009, 06:06 PM
Welcome back Artsy, we've been wondering where you went off to!

artlady
Jun 22, 2009, 06:08 PM
Welcome back Artsy, we've been wondering where you went off to!

Thanks hon,just a computer crash :eek:
Its good to be back among friends :)

jenniepepsi
Jun 23, 2009, 09:17 AM
Hi artlady :) I don't think I met you yet. I'm jennie :)

HistorianChick
Jun 29, 2009, 07:20 AM
Happy birthday, Ducky... We love you and are praying for you.

startover22
Jun 29, 2009, 07:30 AM
Awww, HC... you are such a sweety!
Happy Birthday Jo... my silly!
Make a wish!

nikosmom
Jun 29, 2009, 07:40 AM
I didn't even realize HC :o

Happy BDay Starbs!

**btw, HC I'm all set up on Facebook. Still getting the hang of it.

JoeCanada76
Jun 29, 2009, 07:47 AM
Best Wishes on your Birthday Starby. Hang in there. Be strong.

Joe

Romefalls19
Jun 29, 2009, 08:04 AM
Best wishes! Happy Birthday

Just Dahlia
Jun 29, 2009, 08:04 AM
Happy Birthday Starby! :)

Unknown008
Jun 29, 2009, 08:22 AM
How could I forget!! Happy Birthday our dear Ducky Jo! :) Stay with us!

88sunflower
Jun 29, 2009, 08:27 AM
happy birthday!!!!! :)

Stringer
Jun 29, 2009, 09:07 AM
Happy birthday hon, we are all thinking of you.

albear
Jun 29, 2009, 09:15 AM
Happy birthday starby :)

jrebel7
Jun 29, 2009, 09:15 AM
I am so happy for your birth Sweet Starby! You light up my life with your giggle. "Happy Birthday!"

Stringer
Jun 29, 2009, 09:29 AM
I am so happy for your birth Sweet Starby! You light up my life with your giggle. "Happy Birthday!"

What a nice way to put it Rebbie.

redhed35
Jun 29, 2009, 09:39 AM
Happy birthday to you,
Happy birthday to you,
HAPPY BIRTHDAY DEAR STARBBBYY,
Happpy birthday to you!

Alty
Jun 29, 2009, 09:39 AM
Happy Birthday Jo Duck. :)

We miss you.

I hope you have many more birthdays.

Now blow out the candles. :)

jenniepepsi
Jun 29, 2009, 10:13 AM
http://laparisiennecentre.com/blog/nfblog/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/HappyBirthdayFlowers.jpg

JudyKayTee
Jun 29, 2009, 12:03 PM
Happy birthday, Starby - we're holding your chair here at AMHD open for you so hurry back.

Let me know when you're up to seeing a birthday reindeer!

Unknown008
Jun 29, 2009, 12:10 PM
Nice pic Jennie! :)

jenniepepsi
Jun 29, 2009, 12:14 PM
Aww thanks. I tried to find one that said happy birthday we love you. But I couldn't find one

Catsmine
Jun 29, 2009, 02:55 PM
Thanks, Jo.

Many happy returns, we pray.

Stringer
Jun 29, 2009, 05:12 PM
Happy birthday, Starby - we're holding your chair here at AMHD open for you so hurry back.

Let me know when you're up to seeing a birthday reindeer!

Judy, do you have a Birthday Duck??

Alty
Jun 29, 2009, 05:34 PM
I think Judy could make a duck.

I love Judy's reindeer. I didn't even put them away with the rest of the Christmas stuff. They're on my computer desk. Staring at me. With their beady little eyes. Like they know something. Something they're not telling me. Is that a smirk? An evil grin?

Judy! Your reindeer are scaring me! :eek:

Stringer
Jun 29, 2009, 05:49 PM
I think Judy could make a duck.

I love Judy's reindeer. I didn't even put them away with the rest of the Christmas stuff. They're on my computer desk. Staring at me. With their beady little eyes. Like they know something. Something they're not telling me. Is that a smirk? An evil grin?

Judy! Your reindeer are scaring me! :eek:

Alty... sit down, take a very deep breath, let it out slowly now... Aaaaaaaaahhhhh... Close your eyes, put your head back, relax, lower you arms,. And...

Unclench your fists!! :eek::rolleyes:;)

Alty
Jun 29, 2009, 05:51 PM
Alty...sit down, take a very deep breath, let it out slowly now....Aaaaaaaaahhhhh....Close your eyes, put your head back, relax, lower you arms,......And...

Unclench your fists !!!!!:eek::rolleyes:;)

But my fists are around the demon reindeers neck!

I can't let go, he'll eat me! :eek:

Stringer
Jun 29, 2009, 05:54 PM
But my fists are around the demon reindeers neck!

I can't let go, he'll eat me! :eek:

Do you see the phone? Point your finger and dial... 911... quickly now!

Stringer
Jun 29, 2009, 05:55 PM
Got to run for a bit, remember don't kill, hurt or maim anyone or anything... concentrate... focus:)

Alty
Jun 29, 2009, 05:56 PM
Do you see the phone? Point your finger and dial...911...quickly now!

They'll think I'm crazy. It's a wooden reindeer!

Wait... is that your plan?

Are you trying to get me sent away? :eek:

Stringer
Jun 29, 2009, 06:01 PM
They'll think I'm crazy. It's a wooden reindeer!

Wait...is that your plan?

Are you trying to get me sent away? :eek:

What :eek:?? I would never... well, it would depend... (second thought)... no... not worth it... nope :rolleyes:

Alty
Jun 29, 2009, 06:04 PM
What :eek:??? I would never...well, it would depend....(second thought)...no...not worth it...nope :rolleyes:

:(

You would.

You really would.

Then I'd be locked in a round rubber room with a pyschotic reindeer. :(

Stringer
Jun 29, 2009, 09:49 PM
:(

You would.

You really would.

Then I'd be locked in a round rubber room with a pyschotic reindeer. :(

We can paint it pink for you. :)

JudyKayTee
Jun 30, 2009, 06:02 AM
Ever notice that the reindeers' eyes seem to follow you around the room?

88sunflower
Jun 30, 2009, 06:07 AM
Ever notice that the reindeers' eyes seem to follow you around the room?

That's to evil. I just had a visual. But very funny. Alty will sense it now.

Stringer
Jun 30, 2009, 06:16 AM
Thats to evil. I just had a visual. But very funny. Alty will sense it now.

I believe that the reindeer is now trash...

Unknown008
Jun 30, 2009, 07:25 AM
:p LOL!

jenniepepsi
Jun 30, 2009, 09:00 AM
Omg I'm going to have nightmares about raindeers eyes following me around, glowing all evil like...

Catsmine
Jun 30, 2009, 03:58 PM
It wasn't Rudolph's nose, the song got it wrong.

Alty
Jun 30, 2009, 04:03 PM
Ever notice that the reindeers' eyes seem to follow you around the room?

:eek:

They do!

They do!

I am afraid.

What did you do to that reindeer Judy? :eek:

jenniepepsi
Jun 30, 2009, 04:06 PM
Every time this thread is bumped to the top of my 'recent posts' I get a chill thinking I'm going to open it to find a bad update :( :(

J_9
Jun 30, 2009, 04:07 PM
Any new news?

Alty
Jun 30, 2009, 04:11 PM
Any new news?

There hasn't been much J. Just emails about what she's doing, etc. etc. Her liver has healed some, but the doctors are still saying that it's not looking good. It would still be a miracle but the fact that she's survived this long already is a miracle.

The family is hopeful because of the tiny improvement in the liver, but the doctors told them, even if she were to survive she'd never be the same, would need care the rest of her life, would be in the hospital at least 1 year etc. etc. That's all if and it's a big if.

JudyKayTee
Jun 30, 2009, 04:48 PM
I agree with Jennie - I'm afraid to respond to the thread.

I think what you have posted is good news - she's still fighting for her life.

Go, Jo, go.

J_9
Jun 30, 2009, 04:53 PM
I'm happy to hear she is still fighting. She's a stubborn ole gal for sho!!

Alty
Jun 30, 2009, 05:08 PM
Stubborn she is, thank God. :)

She'll fight until the end. I hope she wins.

Unknown008
Jul 1, 2009, 06:48 AM
She will win Alty, she will! :)

shazamataz
Jul 1, 2009, 07:07 AM
I have been following this thread but I don't post too often.

I really nenver know what to say, I just sit back hoping for some good news.

We get a glimmer of hope every now and then which is great, I know Jo would hate being in assisted living but isn't that better than not living at all?

MsMewiththat
Jul 1, 2009, 07:49 AM
Amen, to all of the above. Every time I say a prayer before I open it that his will be done and look what we have. She is a fighter, a hot one at that!
Assisted living vs. no living... come on..? No brainer!! KEEP FIGHTING JO!!

tickle
Jul 2, 2009, 03:53 PM
Someone mentioned assisted living. I don't think they will keep her in the hospital for a year. I know what she is going through, I know what a compromised liver can do to the human body. It is devastating even for a fighter. Does she have family who will care for her at home with the assitance of VON and Red Cross. This is the way it is done in Ontario.

Tick

JoeCanada76
Jul 2, 2009, 03:59 PM
Not sure what kind of programs they have in Alberta. Or how different it is. Tickle I know what you mean about ontario. Very familiar with the programs. I have had to use the VON services in the past for myself.

Alty
Jul 2, 2009, 04:10 PM
Someone mentioned assisted living. I dont think they will keep her in the hospital for a year. I know what she is going through, I know what a compromised liver can do to the human body. It is devastating even for a fighter. Does she have family who wil care for her at home with the assitance of VON and Red Cross. This is the way it is done in Ontario.

tick

Sadly she cannot go home or to assisted living until her health is better. Her survival is still a huge if, and if she does survive the hospital is the place she'll have to stay for at least the next year. This is what her doctors and her family are saying.

Right now there is a tiny improvement. If (again, big if) she survives for another 6 months then she may qualify for a liver transplant. May, not for sure. She'd still be last on the list and could never receive a liver.

The slight improvement is a sign of hope, more so for the family then the doctors.

This is why I didn't want to say anything. I didn't want to get everyone's hopes up.

Is this hopeful? Yes. Does this mean she'll survive? No. She's not in the clear yet, not by a long shot.

Sorry guys, I don't want to be harsh. I also don't want to take away anyone's hope, but please be realistic. Pray, hope, but don't set yourselves up for more heartache.

I can't relax my guard, my heart won't let me. Until the doctors give her the all clear I'm still skeptical. I'm preparing for the worst because the doctors are still saying that's what will happen. I know all to well the hope that families cling to when their loved ones are dying. I've been there, don't that, and both times I lost. It's harder to hope and lose then it is to expect the worst and then have the best.

Just Dahlia
Jul 2, 2009, 04:27 PM
I was on line when she fell and came back to the computer to tell us what happened.

That seems so long ago and she is still with us, even though it wasn't expected. So I'm thinking a miracle could be happening.:)

I hope I'm right!

Alty
Jul 2, 2009, 04:30 PM
I was on line when she fell and came back to the computer to tell us what happened.

That seems soo long ago and she is still with us, even though it wasn't expected. So I'm thinking a miracle could be happening.:)

I hope I'm right!

I hope you're right too Dahlia.

It's in my nature not to hope too much. When you hope you open yourself to disappointment.

A miracle is possible. The doctors didn't think she'd live this long so every day she survives is another day of hope, but still, I'm weary to hope too much. It's scares me.

Nothing I can do to change it. Too many deaths, too much hope lost. It's who I am, it's what keeps me alive.

Just Dahlia
Jul 2, 2009, 04:37 PM
Always think positive;)
It's not like you are going to be any more disappointed if your good thoughts don't happen.

It's out of your hands, except for prayer and still that might be out of our hands, but it doesn't look like it! Everyone is praying and she is still with us.:D

I'm sorry you are suffering so:(

Alty
Jul 2, 2009, 04:43 PM
I'm okay Dahlia, really I am. Okay, maybe not, but I'm putting up a good front, right? ;)

This is just so hard. Not only because she's my friend and I can't be with her, but because of past experiences. It's bringing a lot back to me and I'm not really handling it very well.

I'll be okay though, I always am. I just hope Starby is too. Wow, hope. Maybe I do have some. :)

shazamataz
Jul 2, 2009, 05:21 PM
You are putting up a very good front Alty, I don't know how you can be so strong, you're an angel.

Alty
Jul 2, 2009, 05:23 PM
You are putting up a very good front Alty, I don't know how you can be so strong, you're an angel.

More like a little devil Shazzy, but thanks. ;)

I don't like to let people know I'm hurting. I don't know why I'm letting you all know now. A crack in the armour I guess. Me no likey! :(

friend4u178
Jul 2, 2009, 05:25 PM
Ha Ha

Alty has a soft spot :D

::running away::

shazamataz
Jul 2, 2009, 05:29 PM
It's like how to kill a dragon, go for the soft squishy underbelly :eek:

Maybe she really is evil. :p