This may spur some debate or it may just die away unnoticed... either way, here it is:

Are all women bi-sexual (if not homosexual)? Or in other words, is there such a thing as a "purely heterosexual woman?"

Here are a few things to stir the pot a bit:

In nature, everything has either a positive (+) or a negative (-) energy. Naturally, these things are meant to be drawn to each other. In such, men are designed to be ATTRACTED (+), while women are designed to be ATTRACTIVE (-). So, in this sense, wouldn't it be that, since all women have this attractive energy, that women would also be attracted to them?

In society, it is acceptable/natural for young girls to hold hands, hug, even bathe or shower together. However, the rules change for young boys. Why is that?

It is also acceptable for older women to kiss one another; however, once again, the rules with men.

The statistics on how many women are either bisexual or homosexual BLOW the numbers for men out of the water.

... just a couple things to spark the conversation.

In your statement you say "In nature, everything has either a positive (+) or a negative (-) energy. Naturally, these things are meant to be drawn to each other. In such, men are designed to be ATTRACTED (+), while women are designed to be ATTRACTIVE (-). So, in this sense, wouldn't it be that, since all women have this attractive energy, that women would also be attracted to them? Why would the negatives be attracted to the negatives any more that the positives be attracted to the postives.

Then is the rest of you statement you say that little girls hold hands, hug and even bathe together, and males don't. It is my opinion that society has forced males to be of a competitive nature and holding hands and hugging is not a way to show competitiveness, therefore we are forced to show a harsher and more aggressive nature.

"women" you are acting like women are like a atom, all alike, Thank heavens they are not. Desires differ from person to person, and culture to culture.

Man and women are different in many ways. You are referring basically that women are more emotional or at least appear in American society.

But it is the difference not the simularity that draws men and women together.

We could argure all day as to how and way homosexual behavior or bi-sexual behavior happens, but in so many ways what you are referring is more that of closeness because of sharing that emotional experiences.

As far as older women "kissing" the non sexual contact. In other cultures men would kiss another man on the check ( Jesus did) it was their culturial way of doing things. A custom that perhaps should not have been lost in our society. Meet one another with a kiss.

Hey doc,where do you come up with the stuff you post? Wait on second thought never mind!:cool: :eek:

Well, to say that women aren't attractive to men, is just dead wrong. You can cause women to be completely and hopelessly attracted to you and willing to be at your beck and command (just the way some of us (guys) get when we really like a girl (see: attracted to) ) Yes because of how our society has evolved, the average girl is much more likely to be attractive than the average guy, because the average girl, average looking, could approach most any guy and he'd be honored to be in her company (this is because of either social conditioning or true genetic differences, but men tend to be "hornier" or more openly so). Whereas a man is disadvantaged in that he can't in theory walk away and get another girl if his current interest rejects him.

OF COURSE: This paradigm can be reversed, as we all have seen with jocks, and those fat dudes that are inexplicably popular with the ladies. I've been fairly successful with girls, but I'm by no means a master, but as everyone and their dog will tell you, its about attitude, and i think its that attitude of "i don't need you, there are plenty more like you" that makes women "attractive" (pursued, rather than the pursuers)

Eh, sounds like a self help document, and it kind of rambles, hope someone can make some sense of it, its kidna going off on a tangent too, my apologies

Cheers
-Dan

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Originally Posted by DrJizzle

This may spur some debate or it may just die away unnoticed... either way, here it is:

Are all women bi-sexual (if not homosexual)? Or in other words, is there such a thing as a "purely heterosexual woman?"

Here are a few things to stir the pot a bit:

In nature, everything has either a positive (+) or a negative (-) energy. Naturally, these things are meant to be drawn to eachother. In such, men are designed to be ATTRACTED (+), while women are designed to be ATTRACTIVE (-). So, in this sense, wouldnt it be that, since all women have this attractive energy, that women would also be attracted to them?

In society, it is acceptable/natural for young girls to hold hands, hug, even bathe or shower together. However, the rules change for young boys. Why is that?

It is also acceptable for older women to kiss one another; however, once again, the rules with men.

The statistics on how many women are either bisexual or homosexual BLOW the numbers for men out of the water.

....just a couple things to spark the conversation.

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Well I think its more or less the standards that society puts on males and females. Society looks at girls from a very young age as caring and nituring, loving, in turn which is drilled in there head to be attractive to the opposite sex. Just look at the toys they have on the market today for girls. Its all about fashion and makeup. Girls are taught they have to be attractive from a very young age.
Since young girls are taught to "play nice and be loving" when they get older or even as children, kiss, hold hands with another girl, its more accepted because of what we were taught as young girls. And since it is so widely accepted in our culture, woman can get away with being more affectionate to members of there own gender and no one bats an eye.
I think the reasons statistics show that there are more woman then men homosexuals and bisexuals, is the main point that its more accepted. More woman can expirement with there sexuality out in the open. I think maybe woman aren't as apprehensive about this as men are.

And of course boys are taught from a young age. To be dominant and aggressive, nothing is emphasised to them about being nurturing and loving, so that's why Men don't express their bi-sexual or homosexual tendacies because in the eyes of society it makes them "less of a man"

To answer your question about there being a purely heterosexual woman. At least coming from my expirence. I think some woman may wonder what its like being with another woman doesn't necessarily mean that they are attracted to them, but its just the mystery of something that is different and a different expirence. I myself aren't attracted to woman. A woman just could not give me what a man can. Love my guys! Have I wondered what the big deal was with being with another woman? Yes. Have I wondered what it would be like as apposed to being with a man, yes. But its not my burning desire to find out. I think you can be curious without being labeled as bi-sexual.
Sorry this speal was a bit long, hope this sheds some light.

The 'purpose' of a female is to bear children. Babies require much care and part of that care is giving affection. As is often the case in the animal world a substitute can be 'mothered'. My female cat grooms my male dog. I doubt she likes him all that much but she has an instinct to touch, nuture and display caring. So when women kiss, touch and show affection it is their nature.
To take that one step further into sexuality is misguided. I truly believe that is a porn industry driven concept. The reason you don't see that much male homosexual porn is that straight men don't pay to see that. And the porn industry is marketed to straight males.

No long answer her, I like me, I love my husband, and with all the bad relationships I have been in, I still like men, no women for me. O wait I have always been that way.

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Why would the negatives be attracted to the negatives any more that the positives be attracted to the postives.

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In chemistry we learn that bonds are formed in one of two ways: electrovalent ( a bond formed between a positive and a negative ions) and covalent (a bond formed between two electrons, which we know electorns are negatively charged). Bonds do not form between two positvley charged forces. That's where I came up with that lol

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"women" you are acting like women are like a atom, all alike, Thank heavens they are not. Desires differ from person to person, and culture to culture.

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I am comparing them to atoms. In the argument that the atom is the fundament of everything in the universe, all on a different scale.

How can we say that we don't act the same as atoms? The entire workld is made up of them? Sure, people differ... but not all THAT much. Humans are very predictable to the trained "chemist."

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But it is the difference not the simularity that draws men and women together.

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You are right... it IS the differences, not the simularies, that draw MEN and WOMEN together...

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We could argure all day as to how and way homosexual behavior or bi-sexual behavior happens, but in so many ways what you are refering is more that of closeness because of sharing that emotional experiences.

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Very true... but where is the closeness line drawn? Is it preposterous to assume that a woman may show their closenss by bedding with another woman?

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Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck

As far as older women "kissing" the non sexual contact. In other cultures men would kiss another man on the check (Jesus did) it was thier culturial way of doing things. A custom that perhaps should not have been lost in our society. Meet one another with a kiss.

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Excellent point... I had thought that when writing what I was... but passed it off. Figured I would bring it up unless someone else does. Ya know, simle devil's advocacy lol

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Originally Posted by Ademan

Well, to say that women aren't attractive to men, is just dead wrong. You can cause women to be completely and hopelessly attracted to you and willing to be at your beck and command (just the way some of us (guys) get when we really like a girl (see: attracted to) )

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Yes, yes... this IS true. But this is a bit more on a different plane of attraction than I was suggesting. And even speaking af this type of attraction... if a man can do that to a woman... why couldn't a woman do that to another woman?

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its about attitude, and i think its that attitude of "i don't need you, there are plenty more like you" that makes women "attractive" (pursued, rather than the pursuers)

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Again, this is correct... but could it be that this, along with what you mentioned above, just expediates the attraction? As if the bond would be formed sooner or later but this is like a catalyst for the positive force (male)


(Ok, I know Im REALLY reaching on this one... LMAO)

I am a female... I love males... can't leave without them (hate to admit it). I have never (even when I was younger) liked or wanted to be friends or anything more with a female. Like me I know other woman who just don't care about friendships or anything else with another female. Hope that helps... you have a bazaar way of thinking!

Hello Doc:

Well I don't have any data to support my position. However, it's my experience that women are MORE prone to homo/bisexual behavior than are men. Is that result, assuming I'm right, from external pressures? Men do like to watch female homosexual behavior, whereas I don't think women enjoy watching two guys.

Or are they born that way? I don't know. But I like it.

excon

About this subject, it's sort of a strange theory but yeah I think females tend more to be bisexual than men if anything. But maybe that's just their more gentle carefree nature. It's kind of strange how a lot of guys hate gays but they like looking at lesbians. Kind of a double standard. Oh well that's just the world for you.
But without chicks the world would suck.

It's a little thoery I have played around with here and there. It is surprisingly easy to convince most people of... Which is why I wanted to run it by everyone here. Just to see what they had to say about it.

Its interesting... for the most part, females who deny it can be written off due to social "brainwashing" (lol I'm asking for it, I know). But its true... I have had some pretty intense conversations with women that claim to not feel that way. And, for the most part, they have admitted to the fact that at the right time, in the right place, with the right woman, they would be willing. This is not something that certain men can say.

You have spoken to the wrong woman than... because a woman who loves men such as myself can never want anything more than what a male has to offer... I really would be repulsed at the idea of touching another female and that is the truth! Everything about a male and a female is different and can never be compared.

Oh I totally agree... but being bisexual, a woman is not "trading" what she gets from a man for what she can get from a woman. It is simply in addition to.

Even from the scientific point of view, again, I am not saying that females are, in any way, meant to replace the male.

It is simply an act of affection. Are you affectionate toward women at all? Can I ask how old you are and what country you are in?

Bi-sexual or heterosexual there is no simple answer. People are no always one or the other, often somewhere in between. I have known men and women who could be considered heterosexual that would have encounters with members of the same sex depending on circumstances at the time. Some choose their partners not by gender but personality or body type, Some women that preferred men but enjoyed the softness of a woman's body and touch, Also some that did not want to have sex with any person M or F but preferred to live with a male companion

Women have only been more free in society to be open with it, so people have known or see it more. ( from a historicaly male controlled society)
Males were not allowed to be openly homosexual, but from a preverted view point from men, they somehow saw female homosexual activity as both an enjoyable joke or fanticy for the men.

Thus women were allowed in society free to express those feelings more than men were.

Of course none of those feelings are natural, and those caused perhaps because of medical defects in genes ( and sadly no one is working on a cure any longer) but it is not a natural feeling or act, merely one that has become either a devient behavoior of enjoyment or caused by a defect that they may be born with.

As much as I respect you Fr Chuck your view on people having defective genes is cruel and has no basis in fact what so ever! Because what someone does that does not meet your approval is that a reason to brand them as unnatural or defective? Because you are grounded in your own religious dogma does that make your point any more valid than say one who practices homosexuality? I know a lot of Christians who believe as you do that they have a direct route to God that the rest of us heathens don't have but lets get real, You and your ways are no better than the worst of sinners, and their ways. It angers me when men presume that they are more than other men because God is on your side and not to single out just Christians , but Jews and Muslims do exactly the same thing that is why I have no faith in mans religion because it only serves those who need to be superior. So go a head and quote me some more stuff from a book that man wrote that makes you so right! Sorry to offend but I guess I've had enough holy spouting for one day.:cool:

I agree with Talaniman. FrChuck is way off base on this defective gene theory - there is no scientific fact to back him up. Do alcoholics have a defective gene too? Are they allowed into your church?

I agree completely with teleniman.. how dare you label anyone as defective just because your point of view on life is so narrow... accept and respect other views besides your own!

What? They quit trying to cure homosexuality?~! "They" threw in the towel, huh? :eek:
... Really Fr. Chuck, to whom are you referring to? Are you really that up to date on biological research being done to Cure homosexuality? Or are you just throwing scientific jargin around to sound like you actually know what you are talking about and seem credible? I would stick to your honest opinion, and not take the chance stating gossip and rumor as 'Fact,'

You're bound to offend.

And, relating to the initial question. Yes, women are more nurturing and affectionate. I think they are more prone to bisexuality. But no, I do not agree that all women have the tendency. Definitely more, but not all. Come on... seriously. Are you really trying to prove this? There are millions of women who have absolutely no desire to be with another woman.
OK, got to go. No manifesto here.
Peace

Ahhh but desire is one thing... tendency is another. Sure they may not have the desire. That is where the choice comes in. This is different for men. There is something missing with [most] men LONG before the choice.

Hmmm, there are days when I think with our eyes tightly closed we would all be bisexual :eek:

Nature or nurture, many good points made here! There is something to be said for how any one culture views things.

I tend to go with a lot of what AugustKnight had to say... and would only add a few more things like this:

From what I have observed of many friends and acquaintances, it's a big gradation scale where one is largely hetro but not completely, or one is gay but leans toward bi, and another is lesbian but could easily revert to straight and then others are more solidly in one category only. Great variety there.

I don't think the biology that AugustKnight mentioned can be so easily dismissed too. I take note that men are the natural sexual givers and women are the natural sexual receivers - I mean the body parts just don't lie!

And our roles each have their deep connections to that arrangement too - despite what all my liberated feminist sisters say. I can hear them fixing to lynch me now! LOL

Men are, by and large, still faster, taller, stronger and that says a whole lot to me right there.

So in at least these regards I think the men get tagged as the most aggressive half and that makes them repel instintively to some degree. And the women are not and so it's a whole lot easier to couple up whether it accurately reflect any true lesbianism or not.

Lots of factors in this one. :p

Certainly a very interesting question!

Just a quick thought here... A women can't get another women pregnant. I wonder if fear of childbirth may have something to do with the choices that some women make as far as sexual partners... I also wonder if "normal" is the wrong word. By definition normal is not what it was ten years ago. I think that the definition of normal is: Societies acceptable behavior as of the age it's defined in... that being said who said anything about anyone being normal? Women who are bi or gay tend to have had rocky past with men, and in that moment have turned to the more nurturing of the sexes, women. I don't think that women are born into the standard of a predisposition of wanting to be with another women just as men aren't. I think that we are all a product of our sociaty and that that changes for each individual. As for the original question. No I don't personally think so. I think that it's a matter of free will.

I'm sure that some still believe that only those that have been 'traumatized' in the past while evolving through their sexuality tend to 'divert'. But I don't think this is the case. I'm certain that each one of us has had the occasion to make a choice, either by being attracted in some way, or by invitation - even if everything else in our lives went 'molestation-free'.

I think that there is a competitor's attitude - in men and women - being that if a woman sees other women as competition - they are generally not going to be attracted to that competition.

The same goes with men.

When at an early age we don't feel threatened by our 'own kind' then we gain a better understanding of the emotions and not just the physical aspect.

A good example of this is working in the OB/GYN clinic and definitely not being turned on by another women. Or, a woman who's been molested or raped still being interested in men. I think, therefore it's all in taste - started just like everything - the urge to experiment and making a choice.

At any rate, this is quite a subject, and will have as many opinions as there are individuals reading it.


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Until I can see scientific evidence to th contrary I will abide by the fact that we humans cannot help how we feel and no one else can say whether your right or wrong!

Until I can see scientific evidence to th contrary I will abide by the fact that all women are bisexual and they cannot help how they feel and no one else can say that Im wrong!

:evilgrin: hehe

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Until I can see scientific evidence to th contrary I will abide by the fact that all women are bisexual and they cannot help how they feel and no one else can say that Im wrong!

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You devil, you!http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/10/10_12_9.gif That's not what he said...

There are some things in life that I just accept, and let other's ponder about when they have time. I have friends from all walks of life, and they each contribute - I love them all!

Have a great holiday weekend!

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Not all women are bi and not all men are either-Jizzle have you been fantisizing again?:cool: :eek:

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Not all women are bi and not all men are either-Jizzle have you been fantisizing again?:cool: :eek:

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AHHH, Fantasies! I think I'll have a few myself this weekend! OOOOH!
http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_11_1.gifWOW, do that again...

Sorry folks, that's another subject

Yes, in my own little workd over here, I am tall, dark, and handsome, very intelligent and all women are bisexual.

Oh yeah, and their all in love with me!

Now the REAL question is would AI's be bisexual and if so, would their souls be bisexual, too??

I think all AIs, except for my vibrator, are ASEXUAL.

He's so true to me, hummmms whenever I touch him, and doesn't give me any lip service. (notice the gendre?)

Believe it or not, I was going to log out for the night - it's 24:30 here now and I've been on for hours - and when my messenger notified me of your post I could swear my PC giggled...


Oh well, each to his/her own fantasy!

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Good Night..

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I think all AIs, except for my vibrator, are ASEXUAL.

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Ahha! So vibrators ARE AI, which concludes the argument as to where men get 100% of thir intelligence! ;)

CORRECTION: Maybe I exaggerated a little on the percentage of intelligent men in my life. I lost count three months ago.

I want to thank you guys for helping me get my mind off the pain I've endured after surgery. You've really 'made my day'.

Have a Wonderful...
Weekend
Fantasy
Dream
Dinner
Whatever... Take your pick and go with it.

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_3_16.gif It's been fun, we have to do this again sometime.

You, too Chery... your company is ALWAYS welcome and appriciated!

Gosh, we've got to stop meeting this way. People will start talking.
But, it has been a pleasure for me as well.

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I Think That A lot Of It Is Because Of Tv. They Always Make It Look Hot And Cool. I Think That's Why A lot Of Girls Are Very Curious About It And Some Like To Do It To Atract The Attention Of Men. We All Know They Like It.

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This may spur some debate or it may just die away unnoticed... either way, here it is:

Are all women bi-sexual (if not homosexual)? Or in other words, is there such a thing as a "purely heterosexual woman?"

Here are a few things to stir the pot a bit:

In nature, everything has either a positive (+) or a negative (-) energy. Naturally, these things are meant to be drawn to eachother. In such, men are designed to be ATTRACTED (+), while women are designed to be ATTRACTIVE (-). So, in this sense, wouldnt it be that, since all women have this attractive energy, that women would also be attracted to them?

In society, it is acceptable/natural for young girls to hold hands, hug, even bathe or shower together. However, the rules change for young boys. Why is that?

It is also acceptable for older women to kiss one another; however, once again, the rules with men.

The statistics on how many women are either bisexual or homosexual BLOW the numbers for men out of the water.

....just a couple things to spark the conversation.

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I would say 95% of all women have thought about being with another woman. And if you say you haven't you're lying. I have never been with a woman and I LOVE men and their equipment, but I'm curious.