Thank you johnd880,the problem is one of jealousy also, most people know if they're honest the best relationship is between a man and a woman, a man and man is good if platonic also, or a woman and a woman if platonic. But with a man and woman the relationship is especially powerful and constructive if there is compatibility and understanding.and other people are envious or jealous of these possible good and strong relationships so they want to spoil it for you, by preventing you getting it even started

I'm a guy... and I'll say Synnen has this pegged perfectly. I've had the benefit of being around the right women, and having the right attitude that they spoke very frankly around me during my formative years. A few of them were Bi, I also actually listened to what they had to say.. not just sat there quietly when they talked.

And yes... the good ones are the ones that can spot the guys with the attitudes and steer a wide berth around them. Then there are the others... like some guys that can't they seem to always end up with the wrong types.. and are never happy in their relationship or life.

Just by learning how to listen to people, you can learn easily to judge people fairly accurately within moments. And get it right most of the time.

First impressions, are lasting impressions. And body language says more than words.

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there are so many lesbians and bi women today. i have to agree with the last person on that one. many women out there now are just attracted to their own sex, instead of us men. why is that? i myself as a straight man, would like to meet a good straight woman for me now. the problem is, most of the women are no good pigs. i can see how they act, and many of them are a real low life today. they must have been very severely abused by the men in the past, and now many of them hate men. there is nothing wrong for a straight man like me that would like very much to meet the right one for me, like i have said before. can you blame me, since i am alone and single now. it is very hard to start a conversation with them because, they are very nasty and walk away. even the ones that are straight have a very bad attitude as well. so how do you expect us men to meet good straight women if they act like this now. i have done nothing wrong on my part to cause this to happen to me, that is for sure. where are the decent women today? do they exist? it now appears, all the good ones have been taken.

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Oh wow, I totally know what you mean! I feel the same way.. about most men! Like why do they have to be so piggish! They want sexual partners, and when we give it up, we become the Wh0re! Imagine that! I feel like men are like parking spots... all the good ones are taken and the free ones are handicaped (or just judgemental @sses)

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thankyou johnd880,the problem is one of jealousy also, most people know if they're honest the best relationship is between a man and a woman, a man and man is good if platonic also, or a woman and a woman if platonic. but with a man and woman the relationship is especially powerful and constructive if there is compatability and understanding.and other people are envious or jealous of these possible good and strong relationships so they want to spoil it for you, by preventing you getting it even started

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I can't even figure out what this says. "most people know if they're honest the best relationship is between a man and a woman ... but with a man and woman the relationship is especially powerful and constructive, blah, blah, blah."

"other people are envious or jealous of these possible good and strong relationships so they want to spoil it for you, by preventing you getting it even started"

What? So women get involved in lesbian relationships so that their partner, another woman (of course) won't get into a good and strong relationship? What?

I agree with Synnen - when one man can't meet one "good woman" because ALL women are this that or the other thing the common denominator is the man.

Maybe it's easier to fault ALL women than take a closer look at yourself.

I am astonished at the amount of people who really think women are evil and out to destroy man-kind!

Women had it bad, I can say this was how it was for us women in the late 70's and 80's. YOU really would have seen evil in the years before Judgement orders. I was in a couple bad relationships. The first was a Police Officer. Now he was a good guy and all that UNTIL I discovered he had watched his father beat his mother all his life. This gave him the only way to try and control. I had to ask if I could go to the store and I was not allowed to wear make-up. Can any of you imagine that? Then when I tried to leave he would grab the baby by the legs until I let go. When he beat me if I called the police they would look at me and would say Sorry Miss this is Domestic. I was shocked I ask them "you actually are telling me he can beat me"? They said "well if we see him we will stop him" but there is nothing we can do other than that. I wasn't running around on him or doing anything. It was shocking to learn this was how some women had to live. When I ran away he would hunt me down like a dog Make me come back. Actually holding me captive, I see why some women might try being with a woman. This is not my life style, but for those who went through what I did, there is just only so much you know about a person until you are living with them or married then the monster comes out. Later years the man was fired from the Police department but this was in the late 90's when fired. Imagine a person with a badge and they are the LAW and can do what they want, all the men they work with are their friends. It can be a night mare. It has been to many women who married a Policeman. Now things have changed women have more rights, but men as well as women both can be evil, some people hide who they are, those types are very good at how they come into a good woman's life. There is no way you can know everything about a man especially if they are young. It is sad to see how terrible people can be to one another. I eventually found a really good man, I did not give up. I kept on looking and eventually I found a good man. Do not rush, you as well can find the man or woman you seek, it takes time. Just watch and wait until the right one comes along. Remember the old saying you have to kiss a lot of toads before you find your Prince. It was so in my case. Good luck.

To breeda, believe me there are plenty of women who treat other woman like this also in lesbian relatiomships if they are living together as a couple.You do get woman who abuse and bully other woman this way, so this is not a viable excuse for a woman to go with other woman or women and deprive any man of a chance to get to know and possibly see her

To aurora bell, It isn't that all woman are wicked and out to destroy man-kind, or it doesn't start that way.I have found that in this world women tend to be led or go along with the men, and follow their example or leadership, especially if the men or man seems to be in some type of socially accepted situation or generally popular with others, but this does not make them or him right. As I know women do perceive.And in the seventees a lot of woman used to befriend gay men, and society didn't quite understand or were a little confused by this and even people used to refer to their associations or friendships as cool not realising that when people are gay they usually want to influence and guide others into their type of relationships also. And I have even been told by many a gay man in the past, that I should not bother trying to find a girl or woman but should find myself a 'nice young' man instead.

This is the problem other peoples influences about partner choices that people feel they should go along with.

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You do get woman who abuse and bully other woman this way, so this is not a viable excuse for a woman to go with other woman or women and deprive any man of a chance to get to know and possibly see her

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Women, like men, are fully capable of making their own choices about relationships and what attracts them whether the person is male or female. They do need an excuse that is 'viable' or not to anyone other than themselves to date, marry, live with another consenting adult.

Women are not objects placed on Earth for the enjoyment of men. When a woman chooses to be with a another woman it does not 'deprive' a man of getting to know her and possibly see her any more than becoming a nun would or being completely celibate and not even dating. The mindset that women who are not in a committed relationship are obligated to make themselves available to be examined like a doll on a shelf by any male who wants to think about getting to know/see them is why many women become distant and cold toward males in general.

I, personally, do not think there are more lesbians or bi-sexuals (or homosexuals, for that matter) than any other time in history. I think people are just more open about their choices and what attracts them. More people are also open about being curious.

Yes, there are some people who have been hurt and are running away from the memories and pain. Women do not have a monopoly on that behavior. Men do it too.

hetrosinger
My answer was about my personal life. What Laws were before orders of Protection. I do not know your age or what your experience of life has been or your degree if any is in. Did you read what I added at the end my answer? Both women and men, you can only tell a certain amount about {anyone} at the start. There are different levels of innocence. Yes, believe me some women are still virgins, as well as some men. Society pushes thoughts as well scene's in the young peoples minds. It goes much more deeper than what many believe. I was a virgin who waited for marriage. I met a young man who was not a drinker nor did he do drugs, always addressing others" Yes Sir" and addressing his peers, with much respect. My answer was I saw listened and there was no way I could know or see a deep family secret of his father a " State Trooper" , and the man I married a "Policeman". This family's secret life, and what a secret it was.
How can anyone know everything about another, no you can not, I dated this man over a year. I had no idea there was a problem. I myself had always attended Church. I played by the " Rules" of life and yes I was innocent I had no idea men beat women. I had no idea how they could and many did become. Everyone who reads this " just google how most pregnant women die ". It was a shocker to me. A man is the stronger, more strength and a small woman Like me, I have heard what others say, I'm a woman and have listened over the years. I imagine it is more out people out of the closet because it is accepted. I live in a small town but in the Small Towns of the South things are no way as they are in the other areas, things still are frowned upon. Not until the late 90's was the Police Man I married fired for his treatment to the public and believe me it was in the papers. I kept a copy. I understand other women can bully one another, sex makes little difference. At the end of what I said to the person who first asked the question : wait, do not rush, someone will come along, do not give up. There are still good people out there. I do not think a bar is the best place to seek your life time mate if that is what you are after. Laws NOW Protect BOTH women and men, in the past the Law did not. One they Life time Channel Jan. 21 or 27 of this month they will have a true story on about this very issue. Abuse from A policeman who beat killed many women and many abused control. It can go both ways, both parties can abuse. People in authority do, Presidents do, Teachers do, many in Congress do, most young people who grew up Protected have no insight into evil. Why because we are told it is out in our World, but it is difficult to see until it comes our way.
People of both sex's become obsessive. Like I had stated, do not rush there is someone out there for you. Look else where besides a bar. Take your time and get to know the person as well as you can. Watch for the red flags. But do not give up. The person you seek shall come, do not settle for less than what you seek. Make sure your expectations are on track. As Smoothy stated first impressions are lasting. Listen to the little voice in your mind, which warns us of danger. Women kill just like men, but not as much or as often, it is more men who are violent. Statistics prove this.
If you watch programs and begin to study you can learn much about this discussion. It would do anyone interested great good to do this exact thing. Take your time, you will find the woman for you or who you seek. I eventually did, there are still good ones out there. I did not allow what other people did to me make my heart hardened. I would not judge the person who came next from what the person before did. I had learned in the Bible judge not least ye be Judged. So I always kept an open mind. Good Luck and allow no one to make you feel that there are no good ones left. There are, maybe much harder to find, not as many great ones in bars. Check out the Book stores, Library's go to Social functions where you see the people who do things beside spend their free time inside a bar room. Good Luck to all, Best wishes to all

Please - this is not a thread about religion. Your Bible may very well not be my belief. This is an international site.

I have no idea how your post addresses the question - there have ALWAYS been protective orders. This is nothing new. People have ALWAYS abused their power.

What does this have to do with women becoming lesbians?

For your information, even the straight women are very nasty and have a very bad attitude today. I did nothing wrong on my part. I can't help it, since these type of women are just garbage now. I am just a straight man that does not like to be alone, and would like very much to meet the right woman for me. Can you blame me, to want what is normal today? To you it may not be, but to me it makes sense. But then again you are bi, and you just don't get it. By the way, I have a right to be very bitter, since I do meet the nastiest women today. This is the reason why so many men like us cannot meet decent women today. Just think, if there were not so many lesbians and bi women, men like us would have our own woman and not complain. With all of the lesbians out there now, they are the filthiest pigs on earth.

Dude... you really need some counseling. I'm a guy, I see LOTS of women, and even though I am married I'm not blind. I have a pretty high standard, and I am still NOT seeing the sorts of things you are seeing. Perhaps have you taken an objective look at WHERE you are trying to meet women? There are certain venues that are going to NOT attract the best caliber of female... Bars and Nightclubs being two.

If I was the type to fool around, it would be damned easy. And I am just an average guy. I don't have a six-pack... and You'll never see me modeling clothes. Or Reading GQ much less appearing in it.

Ever hear that saying, "You attract the people you are most like". You have a horrible chip on your shoulder. As a confident, straight woman, I would NEVER in a million years even want to have a conversation with a person like you if we met on the street. Your post screams insecure, and personally, I don't have the time nor the patience to want to deal with men like you. So maybe that's why you are having such a hard time attracting a nice woman. Just sayin'...

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for your information, even the straight women are very nasty and have a very bad attitude today. i did nothing wrong on my part. i can't help it, since these type of women are just garbage now. i am just a straight man that does not like to be alone, and would like very much to meet the right woman for me. can you blame me, to want what is normal today? to you it may not be, but to me it makes sense. but then again you are bi, and you just don't get it. by the way, i have a right to be very bitter, since i do meet the nastiest women today. this is the reason why so many men like us cannot meet decent women today. just think, if there were not so many lesbians and bi women, men like us would have our own woman and not complain. with all of the lesbians out there now, they are the filthiest pigs on earth.

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Wow... I have to say that if you're making comments like this, then I'm pretty sure I can see what the problem is for you meeting women. To refer to women as garbage in this post... you get what you give and I bet you aren't as awesome as you think you are. Maybe changing your attitude a little will get you further.


Oh yeah... and I just have to add... I still can't stop laughing about that ridiculous comment earlier in this thread about the song "I Kissed A Girl" turning women into lesbians... funny stuff.

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if there were not so many lesbians and bi women, men like us would have our own woman and not complain.

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I have to strongly disagree with this statement.

I have read too many questions by people who have their own partners to know that people who are insecure in themselves will find something to complain about in their current or past partners. They will also transfer those negative feelings onto people they meet and put the burden on future mates.

Take responsibility for your own part in past relationships. Accept where you might have made mistakes which might have seemed minor to you but weren't to your partner. Look at the warning signs you ignored. Look at how you approach others and what your expectations are. Make certain you are being realistic. Don't approach a person with the attitude of being owed anything. You aren't owed a chance to get to know anyone. No one has a guaranteed right to find a partner.

You can affect your chances of meeting the right person for you by getting involved in activities and hobbies you enjoy. Meet people who have the same interests you do. Get to know them as friends. Treat them as something more than a gold star you deserve for being straight. Make certain you aren't projecting your past issues onto the people you are wanting to get to know better. Don't look past the person who would be a suitable mate for you just to reconfirm your negative views by attempting to pick up the person with warning signs blaring and flashing around them.

"Our OWN women?" I'm married. I'm not HIS woman. I'm a person married to him.

His car, his dog, his woman?

And, yes, I commented on the music turning women into lesbians some time ago - I still enjoy that particular post. Good stuff!

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by the way, i have a right to be very bitter, since i do meet the nastiest women today. this is the reason why so many men like us cannot meet decent women today. just think, if there were not so many lesbians and bi women, men like us would have our own woman and not complain. with all of the lesbians out there now, they are the filthiest pigs on earth.

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Reminds me of my dating days - I would meet someone, we would sit down for dinner or a drink and he would go off on how his "ex" was the biggest b**** on feet - and on and on and on. Said a lot more about him than it did about her, and I would excuse myself and end the evening early. I was his date, not his therapist.

This kind of continuing bitterness - for whatever reason - poisons a "relationship" (or a date) from the very beginning.

For whatever reason bitter, bitter people think they have a "right" to be bitter and also have a passionate need to explain to the rest of "us" why they are so bitter - whether we want to hear it or care or not.

And to the OP - I'm NOT the woman who betrayed you, left you, "took up" with another man OR woman, did whatever she did to you - but you'll never know that because I decided within 15 minutes of meeting you that I'd heard all I needed to know about you. Between your bitterness, neediness and low self esteem - good-bye.

The OP has never returned, thread is going off tract to I hate women from some strange posters, Closed