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Originally Posted by danielwasher

i never said i didnt believe you i even thanked you he contacted me with his appionin thank you both

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He didn't contact you. You started a new thread.

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Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck

Thank you Dr Bill, he was not believing me in the other post. He just knew that water diluted it, I told him adding water would fail the test ( show up that water was added) and be worst from the PO side than just failing the test since it showed he cheated the test.

Also he does not realise there is a safe guard at the point of testing that will indicate if the temp is not correct for urine in the body

I will say that at many collection points the person watching feels self cosciense about watching and often do not watch as close as they should.

Most people are smart enough to know that diluting it does not work and try to use someone elses urine which is why the temp issue is always watched.

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I am very skeptical of the commercial drug testing industry and little surprises me but this was an observed collection where the subject had access to water, and temperature must be taken immediately at time of provision and most of the required transport containers furnished by the lab have a built in temp-check, the sample should be visually checked for color. All of this should be accomplished before the sealant ID strip is applied to the shipment container.

An observed collection that is found to be dilute or substituted or even adulterated would seem unenforceable. Usually the observation is based on suspicion and occurs only following an un-testable sample (re-test).

Up to the point of shipment all of the safeguards failed or were ignored.

If the proceeding follows the preceding my guess is that nothing will come of this as no sooner than the sample arrives at the lab one of the techs will spill it on the floor before it ever gets to the analyzer.

I will be honest I have done a urine test many time for various jobs and the such, and in most cases there were suppose to observe, but not once was it ever done properly. Often they had me go into a bathroom, leave the door cracked and told me not to run any water till I handed them the container. And that was about the most watched it ever got.
I know in the PO office I worked at, seldom did they stand and watch it being done. I never had to personally take any, most of my job was locating some of the ones who did not come in.

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Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck

I will be honest I have done a urine test many time for various jobs and the such, and in most cases there were suppose to observe, but not once was it ever done properly. often they had me go into a bathroom, leave the door cracked and told me not to run any water till I handed them the container. And that was about the most watched it ever got.
I know in the PO office I worked at, seldom did they stand and watch it being done. I never had to personally take any, most of my job was locating some of the ones who did not come in.

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Perhaps that is what he was referring to. When an observed collection is ordered it requires that the individual remain in full view during the provision of same. That is that the observer would be in the room with the subject, physically hand them the container and recover it immediately on completion. That procedure is unusual and is generally ordered as part of a re-test resulting from a dilute, substituted or adulterated finding on the original. Otherwise avoided.

Perhaps I was assuming the strict interpretation whereas he was referring to the fact that someone was nearby and not really a direct observation.

Still leaves unexplained the temp-check. The sample should never have left the collection point.

I added water to my urine it was sent to the lab to be tested it came back positive can they check it again and tell what alcohol was drank

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Originally Posted by danielwasher

i added water to my urine it was sent to the lab to be tested it came back positive can they check it again and tell what alcohol was drank

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No. They detect ethanol which is common to all beverages.

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Originally Posted by DrBill100

No. They detect ethanol which is common to all beverages.

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but they can tell if it was wine or vodka or ken they

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Originally Posted by danielwasher

but they can tell if it was wine or vodka or ken they

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No. That isn't done.

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Originally Posted by drbill100

no. That isn't done.

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thank you