Originally Posted by shygrneyzs
I am not confusing truth with fact. 2+2=4. That is truth and that is fact. You can prove that beyond a doubt. Salt dissolves in water. Truth and fact.
As I said there is the truth that can be verified such as in the sciences. There is the personal truth, which I believe you are talking about here.
What you see and what I see are true to us - but maybe not to each other.
I know what you are saying, I am not confused with what you are trying to prove. In part, I agree with you.
Certainty's exist, truths exist, facts exist. There is the certainty that the Earth turns on it's axis. If it did not, we would all be flying through the unvierse. That is true and that is fact.
But you can choose to believe that - that is your truth.
You said that honesty is not truth - I disagree. You can verify the person's honesty, if you choose to go that path. That does not mean all the honesty expressed is truth - a person can say something they believe to be honest or their perception of the event (or whatever) makes it honest to them. But you can verify that.