After Hurricane Katrina, I had to have run new gas lines, water lines, and hotwater heater.
The problem is now the plumber says I paid for roughing in, not installation. I am not sure what all is involved with roughing in. I don't have cut off valves on gas or water lines, no flange for toilet, P traps missing for tubs, and hot water heater is not vented.

I know I will not pass inspections, because the gas pipe for the range is not connnected. It justs falls through the floor. The gas is cut off.

Plumber insists that the job I paid for is complete. I know from the other plumbers that the first plumber left town and cannot be found. However, my check was made out to the company and not the individual.

Before I pay him another penny, can someone tell me what typically is involved in roughing in.

Thanks

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Originally Posted by liet

After Hurricane Katrina, I had to have run new gas lines, water lines, and hotwater heater.
The problem is now the plumber says I paid for roughing in, not installation. I am not sure what all is involved with roughing in. I don't have cut off valves on gas or water lines, no flange for toilet, P traps missing for tubs, and hot water heater is not vented.

I know I will not pass inspections, because the gas pipe for the range is not connnected. It justs falls through the floor. The gas is cut off.

Plumber insists that the job I paid for is complete. I know from the other plumbers that the first plumber left town and cannot be found. However, my check was made out to the company and not the individual.

Before I pay him another penny, can someone tell me what typically is involved in roughing in.

Thanks

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Typically a rough-in is just the piping in the walls, ceiling, floor joists, crawlspace and the stub-outs for connecting angle stops and p-traps.

OTOH, in order to pass inspection on the water piping, he would have had to be stubbed out of the house a minimum of two feet -- And an accessible shut-off on the potable water piping should have been included.

And gas piping must be tested through the gas-cock serving each individual fixture and appliance in order to pass inspection -- There is no final inspection on gas piping, by the way.

Unless your contract specifically mentions running the H/W tank vent, the duct work for the H/W tank is the responsibility of an HVAC contractor or combination HVAC/Plumbing contractor.

If he didn't do either of the first two mentioned, then the rough-in should have never been signed off.

Then again, inspectors are indemnified from prosecution, so you have no recourse on that front.

Roughing in in electrical, is pulling all wiring making up connections and ready for drywall,
Wood or covering.
Trim out, is after painting. Recepticles are installed, lights and fans hung etc.
There is a point where it is barely roughed in. Walls can be put, in but more could have been done. If a contractor is tricky, they can get paid for roughing in, and because of the work left, can charge a good price to finish. Lessons learned are usually hindsight.
A lot of what you have listed, can't be put in until drywall,( The water heater) that is done at trim out. Installing sinks and toilets, is trim out.