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  • Oct 18, 2012, 11:16 AM
    tbez357
    Bryant gas furnace - burners light, but go out in about 4 secs
    This is an older Bryant furnace, model 394GAW.

    It has electronic ignition. Pilot lights fine and stays burning when thermostat
    Requesting heat. Burners ignite, but then only for about 4-5 secs, then go out. This
    Will repeat about every 30 secs or so. The blower never starts.

    I found numerous posts on internet about replacing the 3 wire pilot/flame sensor, which I did, and it didn't make any difference.

    I checked the circuit to the gas valve, and on the leads by the valve to the burners,
    It will read 0v and then 24v and the burners will ignite (assuming that this opens
    The gas valve to the burners) returns to 0v in about 1 sec and burners then go out.

    Any suggestions?
  • Oct 18, 2012, 06:41 PM
    T-Top
    To me it sounds like you have a weak main limit switch. I assume the flame goes out before the blower comes on. The 5 wire gas valve uses a pick and hold circuit and will show this symptom when it goes bad.
  • Oct 18, 2012, 06:51 PM
    tbez357
    T-Top,

    Yes, the burners go out before the blower comes on. The pilot remains on though.

    Is there a way to test or jumper the main limit switch? Is that the rectangular
    Shaped panel with two terminals on it in the heat exchanger box?

    Thx
  • Oct 19, 2012, 04:35 AM
    T-Top
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tbez357 View Post
    T-Top,

    Yes, the burners go out before the blower comes on. The pilot remains on though.

    Is there a way to test or jumper the main limit switch? Is that the rectangular
    shaped panel with two terminals on it in the heat exchanger box?

    Thx

    Yes that is your main limit. You can use a jumper wire to bypass it for testing only.
  • Oct 19, 2012, 09:43 AM
    tbez357
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by T-Top View Post
    Yes that is your main limit. You can use a jumper wire to bypass it for testing only.

    Bypassing mail limit didn't make a difference. Also, if main limit is bad, wouldn't pilot go out too when main trips? (it doesn't)
  • Oct 19, 2012, 06:50 PM
    T-Top
    If the gas valve is chattering when the main burners try to come on you may have a bad gas valve. The 5 wire gas valve with a 3 wire pilot burner is a hard system to trouble shoot even for the moste seasoned technicians..
  • Oct 19, 2012, 07:00 PM
    tbez357
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by T-Top View Post
    If the gas valve is chattering when the main burners try to come on you may have a bad gas valve. The 5 wire gas valve with a 3 wire pilot burner is a hard system to trouble shoot even for the moste seasoned technicians..

    T-Top,

    I figured out the problem. I noticed the gas hot water tank burner didn't sound quite right when it kicked on, which made me think in a different direction. I called the gas company. The main gas flow/pressure was down. The valve at the meter was partially closed (I think it may have been stepped on by contractors when they replaced the shingles on roof), and the gas company blew-out the line. Furnace works like a charm now. Unfortunately I replaced the pilot unnecessarily, but it's working which is all that matters.
  • Oct 19, 2012, 07:04 PM
    T-Top
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tbez357 View Post
    T-Top,

    I figured out the problem. I noticed the gas hot water tank burner didn't sound quite right when it kicked on, which made me think in a different direction. I called the gas company. The main gas flow/pressure was down. The valve at the meter was partially closed (I think it may have been stepped on by contractors when they replaced the shingles on roof), and the gas company blew-out the line. Furnace works like a charm now. Unfortunately I replaced the pilot unnecessarily, but it's working which is all that matters.

    Glad you have heat now. That's the first thing a tech will check is in put and out put of gas pressure at the gas valve. Stay warm.
  • Oct 19, 2012, 07:15 PM
    tbez357
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by T-Top View Post
    Glad you have heat now. Thats the first thing a tech will check is in put and out put of gas pressure at the gas valve. Stay warm.

    The pilot burned strong, so I never gave it a thought. Interesting that I must have
    Found close to a dozen posts on problems similar to mine, and not one mention of
    Checking the gas pressure. I guess this could be the first one, and hopefully it will help somebody else. I won't forget it.

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