How can I obtain abirth certificate for my child if I'm not on it and her mom will not help me?
How can I obtain abirth certificate for my child if I'm not on it and her mom will not help me?
You need to go to family court to establish your rights. The court will order a paternity test and if it confims you are the father you can have your name added to the because
Do you want some sort of rights or just a copy of a birth certificate
If you need legal help in this matter and are willing to foot the bill for the kiddo as far as child support, you can go to your State Attorney General and they will assist with you getting visitation and all that comes with being a parent.
That is absolutely not true in all States - please mention the State in your replies.
In NY you must go to Family Court and do as others have suggested - have paternity testing to establish that you are, in fact, the father and then go from there. You are entitled to pay child support and have visitation if you are the father.
Just as a side issue - why do you want the birth certificate?
I would be surprised if the AG got involved with this in very many states at all. The AG's office, in most states, is charged with prosecuting crimes against the state itself. Criminal cases are generally the province of local prosecutors or district attorneys. Child support is only quasi criminal (only when the support is being dodged). So is most often under the oversight of a family services agency.
I'm really bemused by this. Your original statement, that you were corrected on, was that a person should go to the Attorney General's office for child support assistance. The people who "repremanded" you said that, in most cases it was a Family Services agency.
In the NY link you provided The very top says:
To apply for child support services, contact your county child support office for an Application for Child Support Services (PDF).
These county support offices are mostly part of local Family courts.
In the Michigan link, its not as blatant. But a little searching on that site finds this information:
If you already have a court order for support and wish to apply for child support services, contact your local Friend of the Court (FOC). For FOC numbers go to http://www.michigan.gov/documents/FI...rs_94093_7.pdf.
So I thank you for confirming that what Judy, J_9 and I said was factual and what you said was incorrect.
In this situation you are comparing apples and oranges. This situation resulted from a criminal stalking case. You had a conscientious prosecutor in the AG's office who helped your friend. There was, apparently, an existing support order that was probably issued from a family court and the AG helped get it enforced.
What really amazes me here is your own research so clearly shows that you were wrong and we were right, yet you still chastise us for allegedly being wrong.
By the way, doing the Google search as you suggested for Arizona comes up with this nugget:
Child support customer service is available from two separate agencies. If you have a case with the Division of Child Support Enforcement, your customer service is provided by the DCSE Customer Service Region through our Interactive Voice Response System or through our DCSE web site.
If you do not have a case with the Division of Child Support Enforcement, your customer service is provided by the local Clerk of Court. Your ATLAS case number will not gain you access to the DCSE IVR or web site.
Again neither of which is the AG's office.
Not only do you need to check your facts before posting, but you need to understand your facts AFTER you do your research. You were wrong and your own research shows you were wrong.
You are totally misreading NYS law. You consistently post experiences of your friends which are totally contrary to law and, quite frankly, hard to believe, in answer to almost every post. In the past you cited a case which had absolutely nothing to do with the subject, in defense of your position. I even question another of your friends and her TV personality, first conviction story - the textbook case (and I thought the first conviction) was a Washington, DC case which was appealed and often cited. Perhaps not -
Other people preface their answers with, "My research has shown ...." "it appears to me ...", in my State - you answer as if we all live in Texas and that's the only law that applies - and I, as an expert on the board, have asked you to be more specific when you answer.
When criticized you posted some sort of passive/aggressive, "I didn't know the board was only for trained Attorneys, I won't be posting here again" and stormed off forever. Now you're back.
I care little about personalities - I do care that correct information is posted and if questioned, that it is backed up with fact. People who don't understand the system, who are in this side of a panic, post here and your friends' experiences in Texas and beyond which fly in the face of the law are most definitely not helpful other than side anecdotes.
If you can't search, read, understand and explain the law, please don't post it. You post sites which confirm what other people have said in defense of your own position - and don't even realize it.
I never said NY would charge or require an Attorney. I said that Family Court is the agency that arranges testing and assistance in collecting - that's where you start. You have once again spun off in another direction. When corrected, you dance onto another subject, another question - which, on this thread, you yourself raised. I NEVER said anything about paying for legal assistance - you did.
If you can't search, read, understand and explain the law as well as understand what other people are saying, please don't post.
This has turned into a message board with the same info being posted - I think the subject should be closed as this discussion is of absolutely no help to OP.
Yes its certainly possible for both to be correct. It just isn't the case here.
Nowhere in this thread did anyone but you raise the issue of the cost of this help. No one is disputing that there are avenues that can get free or low cost help on pursuing parental rights.
And no you didn't correct yourself until now. In Post #4 you advised using the AG's office. In Post #6 you stated that "every state I've heard of the Attorney General is in charge of collecting child support". In post #10 you posted links to two sites that proved you were wrong and then chastised us for telling you you were wrong.
The real issue here is that you made an erroneous statement. That statement was corrected and your own research confirmed the correction, yet you chastised those who had corrected you. If you had taken more care in reading and understanding the thread and your research you would have realized you were wrong.
People make mistakes and its no great shame to do so. It becomes a shame when you refuse to admit your error.
I would suggest that while we want all people to be able to help, those that are not up on the law and merely learning from web searches may want to read and listen more first, and pherhaps help more in other areas where opinion not fact is the most important.
In some areas giving totally incorrect or not related material can sometimes give false hope or cause them to do things incorrect.
Plus to be honest attitude when others are trying to help does no one good.
I considered deleting a lot of the suspect posts but at this point will merely close the thread.
Sorry Chuck I just had to add this as Tracy said that she "found the websites, but just didn't read anything.
Had she read, she would have seen, in her link to the Michigan site the following:
So, as you can see, it does benefit researching the websites we post.Quote:
f you are not receiving FIP or Medical Assistance, you can apply for child support services as follows:
* If you already have an order for support and wish to apply for child support services, contact your local Friend of the Court (FOC). The listing of FOC numbers can be found at http://www.michigan.gov/documents/FI...rs_94093_7.pdf.
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