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  • Mar 21, 2009, 09:12 PM
    denismcnicoll
    Existing switch will not shut off new fixture
    I am replacing a kitchen fixture and I can't turn it off with the existing switch

    The ceiling box has two wires going in. a black and white, as well as a black, white and red.

    I did not connect the red to anything as it was not connected to the previous fixture.

    The two blacks are capped,as are the whites but there is a white pigtail.

    I put the blacks to the black from the fixture, I put the white (pigtail)to the white from the fixture.

    All ground wires are connected.

    The light works but I can't turn it off.

    Anyone?
  • Mar 22, 2009, 04:26 AM
    donf
    You have mis-wired the fixture.

    Isolate the black/White cable that is the supply line. This line will be constantly hot between black and white. Use a multimeter to make this test. Once you have the correct cable isolated, turn off the circuit breaker for this circuit.

    Once you have identified this cable, then connect the White wire that goes to the wall switch to the Black supply line. In theory, it will already have a black band around it. If it does not, then mark the wire.

    Connect the Black from the fixture to the Black from the switch. Connect the white from the supply cable to the white from the fixture.
  • Mar 22, 2009, 05:13 AM
    stanfortyman
    Don, you are assuming a switch loop, but I don't think that is the case. The presence of the red wire is a real clue to this.

    Denis, I'll bet the red wire was used before. If you really did connect it exactly the same why why is it not working right?

    Turn off the breaker.
    Connect both ground wires and then to the fixture ground.
    Connect the two blacks together and fold into the box.
    Connect the two whites together, and then connect the fixture white to this.
    Connect the fixture black to the ceiling red.
    Breaker on.
    Try switch. :)
  • Mar 22, 2009, 07:38 AM
    donf
    Stan,

    You are correct, I assumed that the Black/White w/ground was a switch loop and that Black, Red, White w/ground was the supply line.

    I guess I should have asked for a picture of the ceiling connections and the switch.

    But if he has connected all blacks to black and all whites to white, then the fixture should be hot all the time as he says it is.

    By the way, that handbook is an excellent study guide.

    Don

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