[PowerPuli]

Hi,
I have a male hungarian puli who got lucky ( for him) with a mini fox terrier at the park the other day,Im concerned that she may have become pregnant. The owner of the foxy claimed she was unawaree that her dog was in heat. Is it true that a larger male approx 10kg's in wieght 40cm's tall over a smaller female approx 6.5-7kg and 28cm's tall will result in the death during pregnancy of the mother. Is it possible for her to carry the pups full term. Im not happy about this as I do not advocate irresponsible breeding of any animal ( my dog is not nuetered as he is a regisatered stud dog) but I can't persuade the owner of the foxy to abort or desex her dog unless I have facts to back up my argument that her dog could be great danger. Please help.

[RubyPitbull]

Well, I could point out the obvious fact that if your dog was neutered you wouldn't be in this predicament now. But, that other owner is equally guilty of not spaying her dog and of being ignorant to the fact that her dog was in heat. You are stating that this happened the other day. How does she know for a fact that her dog is actually pregnant? Do you have any concrete proof of this? Is she asking you for money?

The best thing you can do is to ask her for her vet's information. Then, speak to your vet about this. I think the only way you can get concrete facts as to what exactly her dog will be facing is for the two vets to speak. Since you can't give us the exact weight or size of her dog, it is hard for anyone here to give you an absolute on whether her dog is in danger. If she is, it will carry more weight if her own vet is advising her to abort the pregnancy.

[labman]

It is very difficult to tell if a female is pregnant until a month or more after breeding. If she is pregnant by a much larger dog, it possible a natural delivery would kill her as well as the pups. The vet could tell the chances of needing a C-section toward the end of the pregnancy.

With all the questions I see on another site, it is easy to believe somebody let there female proceed over a week into the fertile period without knowing she was in heat. Like Ruby, I hate the idea that ''shelters'' are forced to slaughter dogs and cats by the millions.

[PowerPuli]

It is very difficult to tell if a female is pregnant until a month or more after breeding. If she is pregnant by a much larger dog, it possible a natural delivery would kill her as well as the pups. The vet could tell the chances of needing a C-section toward the end of the pregnancy.

With all the questions I see on another site, it is easy to believe somebody let there female proceed over a week into the fertile period without knowing she was in heat. Like Ruby, I hate the idea that ''shelters'' are forced to slaughter dogs and cats by the millions.

Thanks Guy's,

I know its difficult to get a definite answer, your responses have given me a clearer picture on what to do, I may not be able to convince her to abort the pregnancy if the dog happens to be pregnant but at least I can advise the other owner to be vigilant for any potential complications if she chooses to go ahead with having possible pups. It's a shame her dog has to go through this.

[AKaeTrue]

If your dog is a stud dog
Perhaps you could help control the pet population by not
Allowing him to run free in a park.
That would be a responsible action for a reputable dog breeder.

If you take pride in your dogs offspring, and in controlling unwanted
Animals, a leash in hand will help.

[PowerPuli]

Thank you for your response AkaeTrue, Just so its clear even stud dogs require exercise and deserve to run free to socialise with other dogs. I take my dog to a dedicated dog park and go to the leash free area so he can have a bit of a run, I have been doing this for 2 years without incedent , and as he is a sheep dog he is quite active and needs the excersise. I came here for advise on how best to resolve a problem yet you feel it best to critise me for letting my dog have a run, yet you make no mention for the person who takes a dog which is on heat to a park full of dogs and lets it off the leash. At least Im tryingto find a soloution to prevent distress to the other dog and hopefully aviod unwanted pups while the other owner thinks its sweet that her dog got knocked up.

[AKaeTrue]

Oh I'm not criticizing you...

I came here for advise on how best to resolve a problem .

And I gave you a good suggestion for future unwanted mating...


There is an important responsibility to be upheld when keeping a pet
For breeding purposes.
If others are not being responsible, at least you will be.

You live in the city?
I do, and my dogs get plenty of exercises and socialization with me on the other end of the leash.
All that time you spent "watching" your dog at the park, you both could have been enjoying a run or walk together.

I'm just trying to point out that if you have a pet for breeding purposes, extra responsibility should be taken.

As for the lady with the fox t, sounds like she's ignorant and irresponsible.
Made no comment about her before, because what good would it do, she's not hear to read it.

To me, you sound as if you feel this is in no way your fault what so ever.
I feel the fault is equal.
But it's out of your hands now, you can't persuade the woman to do what you want her to do.
All you can do now is to know that there are people out there that don't know when their dog is in heat and you'll be able to better prepare yourself against accidental breedings.

I'm very fond of the breed myself...
For the most part, the breed has been kept pure.
I love their fur "puli cords", although I don't think I could handle it.
I have to give you props/credit there.

You know how you see so many lab mix/ chow mix/ Shepard mix/ you get my point, I'm sure you'd agree that you don't hear of a hungarian puli mix too often... and you'd probably like to keep it that way too.

Not coming down on you... K

[PowerPuli]

Sorry K,


I have been on a few forum pages and some people seem to take joy in being nasty, Iam a bit stressed cause I do feel equally to blame for this predicament so I guess I was a bit on edge. I apologise.

Where I live in Sydney pretty much everyone is responsible in that if their dog is only a pet they desex them, mainly due to the compulsory registration is much higher for a whole animal. I also have a number of other dogs that have been desexed as they are only pets as well as my first Puli which I hope to breed ( I started with a stud male to learn the process of breeding without initially having to experiment with puppies, as things can and do go wrong) Now that I have owned a Puli for the last 5 years I think Im competent ( I hope) to bring little puli's of my own into the world. One thing I do know is that I will be very vigilant in watching the cycles of my little princess that if she even shows the slightest signs of being in season then we stay home.

And your also right in that the last thing I ever want to see is a puli crossed with anything, its bad enough they do it deliberatley with poodles to create ""designer dogs"".

Once again K I apologise for being agro.

[bushg]

If I were you I would get as much information as I could on the effects of a mini dog mating with a dog your size. I would get a written statement from my vet, and also from some breeders a puli breeder and a mini fox terrier breeder I would then take this to the local humane society and speak to who ever would listen. I would also provide pictures of both breed maybe an( akc printout. This lady that refuse's to listen to your pleas may very well listen to an official. Good luck

[dunno]

We have a wolf-rat terrier mix. THe mother was the rat terrier and the father was wolf. The mother had 6 babies. THey were delivered by c-section. I believe 2 of them died. I'm not sure what the cause of death was though. The owner told us that the mother quit nursing the puppies when they were about 3 weeks old. THey were just too big for her! When we got our pup, she was 2 months old and bigger than her mother. THe mother was fine though. She made it through the pregnancy without any problems. But they did have to do a c-section.

[labman]

As more and more details come out, I am less critical of you. I still feel many more dogs and cats here should be spay/neutered, and many of the people breeding dogs here don't have a clue on producing quality puppies.

It isn't a crime to have an unneutered dog. You should be able to take one to a dog park and let it run without being constantly alert to the possibility of a female in season. Even if your dog isn't prone to mounting other dogs, you shouldn't be expected to have panicked and come running at the first sign of it. Even then, you may not have been quick enough. Once they are tied, there isn't much you can do.

Now as for excusing that women? I hope she has enough sense to talk to her vet. The dog should be examined.